The Syndicate

the fuck lol

you’re really telling me wolves killed kza over the presumed mason and claimed cop?

how is this real life

i’m not even saying i would have lunched kza. he was obviously not with bo/jpic but you still don’t kill him there when his role was not that good and he wasn’t mech clear

like bo was a roleblocker

how hard is it to just block odd and have a straight shot at strongmaning michelle? why would they not do that like... several nights ago?

i really understand nothing about this game

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:12 pm i think we basically have to lunch straw today?

not because i particularly want to but he seems like the only sensible option

Aren't we at KILO right now, though? If Esooa doesn't count for parity? This isn't the time to chop someone you're not certain is scum.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:13 pm it’s truly baffling to me that michelle and i are still alive

surely wolves could have found a way to kill us by now

Yeah. Weird isn't it.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:16 pm I swapped Strawhenge and Michelle

I brought this up yesterday and literally no one responded.

Why on Earth haven't you swapped a person you wanted to keep alive with Esooa? Like, ever? She claimed tree stump so long ago. Seeing as how she's unchoppable, there is such a good chance that she's un-NK-able too, and you could have functionally been a doctor.

oh i forgot esooa doesn’t count

so then it’s essentially F4 and we should sleep, no?

Right now, it's either Hally or Michelle is a deepwolf, or it's Oddmerta. I'm thinking it's the latter.

there can only be one wolf left if esooa doesn’t count or else they would have parity

so sleeping should be fine?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:27 pm oh i forgot esooa doesn’t count

so then it’s essentially F4 and we should sleep, no?

I swear this is the last time I'll do this, but what's all this 'F4' 'F3' stuff, and do you mean 'sleep' literally or is that more mafia lingo?

Anyway, I have to get duck back out again. I might get back on in a few hours, but I might not.

I'm, like, angry? For some reason? Like, I'm just pissed that this game still doesn't make sense. I'm heated.

F4 = final four, F3 = final three, etc

sleep = no elimination

if we sleep and there are two wolves left (one of which would have to be esooa or else the game would already be over) we lose

otherwise it should be fine unless wolves have some secret kill power. but if so lol this game, w/e

if michelle is a wolf and bussed bo by red checking him when she could have just said he was a villager and we would be none the wiser i will lose to her and not even be mad

I agree on sleep, or just vote me

the last wolf is one of esooa/odd/straw

if it’s esooa lol this game. can’t say we didn’t try to lunch her

if it’s odd it means he’s a godfather, which the second wolf team ~definitely has given michelle is real. also remember splints said one of the troopers was a wolf and we know it wasn’t kza

if it’s straw, he made up his miller claim to counter the red check and bussed jpic for no reason when he could have voted splints easily

seems like odd is the play imo

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:39 pm I agree on sleep, or just vote me

oh right, i suppose we can test you again just to see if you’re a wolf with multiple lives

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:27 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:16 pm I swapped Strawhenge and Michelle

I brought this up yesterday and literally no one responded.

Why on Earth haven't you swapped a person you wanted to keep alive with Esooa? Like, ever? She claimed tree stump so long ago. Seeing as how she's unchoppable, there is such a good chance that she's un-NK-able too, and you could have functionally been a doctor.

Because I want you to die red check, I can't do that by swapping Esooa

Odd, why didn't you answer at my pings?

Step up and play more today please, i am extremely busy and I need you to explain your thoughts
I have the same request for everyone else, please play

From my POV the only logical chop is Straw, no matter his claim, because the role is illogically weak in this setup, and he claimed after i outed my peek.
I don't want sleep, i was fooled once by such an idea and i died overnight only to see a townie scum siding and chopping the player i logically cleared the day before.

I know everyone is bored, but now we have to see what KZA said in the last 2 days and understand why he died.

My peek was KZA villager

Let's get Strawhenge

[VOTE: Strawhenge] aubergine

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:49 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:27 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:16 pm I swapped Strawhenge and Michelle

I brought this up yesterday and literally no one responded.

Why on Earth haven't you swapped a person you wanted to keep alive with Esooa? Like, ever? She claimed tree stump so long ago. Seeing as how she's unchoppable, there is such a good chance that she's un-NK-able too, and you could have functionally been a doctor.

Because I want you to die red check, I can't do that by swapping Esooa

Does busdriving work like that? If I were scum and wanted to shoot Michelle, and you swapped me and Michelle, would my own bullet hit me?

Aside from everything else I've pointed out about Oddmerta, here's a list of things I don't like:

• I don't like that he never tried to stop a night kill by meat-shielding with Esooa. If I were a busdriver, I'd be doing that left and right. It's insane to me that a busdriver exists in a game with a tree stump, and more people aren't still alive.

• I don't like how Odd now seems to take the stance that I should die because of my red check, when directly after my red check, he very pointedly wanted to chop SPF instead.

• I don't like all the limp reasoning he's given for a lot of his things, like in the above link: wanting to chop SPF because 'she has a wolf role and does wolf things'.

• It's the first item in my ISO, but it really sticks in my craw that Odd threw light bussing at JPIC on D1, almost never mentioned him again until D6, and only started coming after JPIC once the wagon was rolling

• And most recently, I don't like that the KC Mafia had a redirector (fingersplints) and a godfather (Marmot), but Bo and JPIC were neither of those things. I think a busdriving godfather makes a whole lot of sense.

Last time I voted with my gut, I voted JPIC. As much as I think it's possible for Hally or Michelle to be a really talented deepwolf, my gut says Oddmerta.

So [VOTE: Oddmerta] aubergine.

I don't want to sleep and let him get another kill.

we’re sleeping

Seen any typewriters lately?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:39 pm Seen any typewriters lately?

i got one a couple of nights ago iirc and used it to post the mashed potatoes pasta (brilliant, i know)

dunno who he targeted since

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:45 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:39 pm Seen any typewriters lately?

i got one a couple of nights ago iirc and used it to post the mashed potatoes pasta (brilliant, i know)

dunno who he targeted since

SPF the night she was killed, Michelle last night when we were swapped.

Also, solid rebuttal, Odd. Care to maybe address any of the things I listed about you? Or are 'red check' and 'not enough typewriters' your only beefs with me?

And @Hally, maybe I'm old-fashioned but there was never a time when no-chops were ever a good idea. Maybe that's something that was discovered since the last time I played, but how I see it, we're just handing scum an NK if we sleep.

And if I'm right, and Odd is scum, he'd probably kill you (Hally), because you think he's a better choption than I am, and Michelle's the opposite. So if he's scum, and we sleep, I'll just get chopped the following day.

Sleeping D9 is only going to needlessly prolong the game.

And @Michelle, I could've claimed 'shenanigans' when you red-checked me. There's been enough redirecting and bus-driving and all manner of wackadoo mech bullpiss in this game, I could've started spouting off anything to save my hyde.

But I didn't. I did the risky thing and told you the truth with an inadvisably late miller claim. I am being 100% honest in that millers were rare if not non-existent on RYM, and I had no experience with them before this.

Also @Esooa, do you have parity or not? Why's your vote on me if it doesn't count?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am Also @Esooa, do you have parity or not? Why's your vote on me if it doesn't count?

why does it matter lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:26 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am Also @Esooa, do you have parity or not? Why's your vote on me if it doesn't count?

why does it matter lol

Utterly daft of me to expect any other kind of response; my apologies.

Hally, we don't sleep.
The numbers doesn't confirm it's only one scum left, put your head in the game please, and find the best chop.
We are 5.

I am un-cc-ed town cop, and maybe I played bad this game but I am villager and for my reading and/or mechanical mistakes i will apologise endgame. I don't know why am I alive, ask the Gerhardt mafia

Essoa claimed unkillable tree stump, prooved to have at least one shot lynch proof. KZA said is safe to try a new chop there iirc

Hally was claimed by dead villagers mason and if we loose to wolf Hally we blame them and there is that.

Straw is claimed miller and typewriter but the miller claim came after my red peek. She puts soul into the game and i don't know at all his scum range.

Odd is very tinfoil-able, plays with just few words and don't share much. My knowledge of his play as wolf says the game would end already with wolves' victory if Odd would be mafia because he plans the night actions carefully and don't let room for mistakes like letting the cop alive just for sadistic wifom purpose.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:26 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am Also @Esooa, do you have parity or not? Why's your vote on me if it doesn't count?

why does it matter lol

It does matter, please play, if you are villager,

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am And @Michelle, I could've claimed 'shenanigans' when you red-checked me. There's been enough redirecting and bus-driving and all manner of wackadoo mech bullpiss in this game, I could've started spouting off anything to save my hyde.

But I didn't. I did the risky thing and told you the truth with an inadvisably late miller claim. I am being 100% honest in that millers were rare if not non-existent on RYM, and I had no experience with them before this.

Idk, you convinced me back then but things are still not solved fmpov.
I need to read much to understand some things

Can you town case yourself? What makes you villager, what in your play (with quotes or links) is a proof for us that you are villager?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:41 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:26 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am Also @Esooa, do you have parity or not? Why's your vote on me if it doesn't count?

why does it matter lol

It does matter, please play, if you are villager,

my votes on him cause I clicked the dot next to his name

In this game:

Esooa Me Nanook (his charismatic spirit is with us) Hally Odd Straw

War of attrition

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:43 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am And @Michelle, I could've claimed 'shenanigans' when you red-checked me. There's been enough redirecting and bus-driving and all manner of wackadoo mech bullpiss in this game, I could've started spouting off anything to save my hyde.

But I didn't. I did the risky thing and told you the truth with an inadvisably late miller claim. I am being 100% honest in that millers were rare if not non-existent on RYM, and I had no experience with them before this.

Idk, you convinced me back then but things are still not solved fmpov.
I need to read much to understand some things

Can you town case yourself? What makes you villager, what in your play (with quotes or links) is a proof for us that you are villager?

The only mechanical proof I have is the typewriter, which Hally can vouch for.

Voting proof was fueling the wagon on JPIC, fighting against BoKnows when he limply tried to make a case that he was town after you red-checked him.

Other than that I have nothing else to point to as 'proof'. Though pale in comparison to the likes of you (Michelle), Hally, Bo (in his hunt for KC Mafia, at least), and Alison, I feel like my endeavors in finding scum have been evidently earnest. Even when I was wrong, like with LC and TSP, I've been trying as much as my real life will allow.

So now I turn the question to you specifically, @Michelle: other than my red check, do you have any proof that I'm scum?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:14 pmVoting proof was fueling the wagon on JPIC, then fighting against BoKnows when he limply tried to make a case that he was town after you red-checked him.

I forgot a word that makes this clearer.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:14 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:43 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am And @Michelle, I could've claimed 'shenanigans' when you red-checked me. There's been enough redirecting and bus-driving and all manner of wackadoo mech bullpiss in this game, I could've started spouting off anything to save my hyde.

But I didn't. I did the risky thing and told you the truth with an inadvisably late miller claim. I am being 100% honest in that millers were rare if not non-existent on RYM, and I had no experience with them before this.

Idk, you convinced me back then but things are still not solved fmpov.
I need to read much to understand some things

Can you town case yourself? What makes you villager, what in your play (with quotes or links) is a proof for us that you are villager?

The only mechanical proof I have is the typewriter, which Hally can vouch for.

Voting proof was fueling the wagon on JPIC, fighting against BoKnows when he limply tried to make a case that he was town after you red-checked him.

Other than that I have nothing else to point to as 'proof'. Though pale in comparison to the likes of you (Michelle), Hally, Bo (in his hunt for KC Mafia, at least), and Alison, I feel like my endeavors in finding scum have been evidently earnest. Even when I was wrong, like with LC and TSP, I've been trying as much as my real life will allow.

So now I turn the question to you specifically, @Michelle: other than my red check, do you have any proof that I'm scum?

The thing is Bo didn't interact very much with you in the first days, and I don't remember from JPIC any stance regarding you, but i have to check.

I see your post count in this site is not so big, how much mafia experience do you have?
Can you link me a scum game and a town game no matter how old?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:00 pm(snip)
The thing is Bo didn't interact very much with you in the first days, and I don't remember from JPIC any stance regarding you, but i have to check.

I see your post count in this site is not so big, how much mafia experience do you have?
Can you link me a scum game and a town game no matter how old?

Sadly I can't link any games; the portion of the RYM forums that contained the mafia games were all deleted.

My experience with mafia was probably about 3-4 years or so from 2012ish - 2015ish. Only 3 games out of 25-30 games I was scum, and only one of those I won. And unless I'm forgetting, very few or none of those games included a miller role, and I definitely never had a miller card myself.

@Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:12 pm @Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.

Yes, i read your posts.

Imo, it's Odd who should answer at your case. @Oddmerta can you do this?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:22 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:12 pm @Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.

Yes, i read your posts.

Imo, it's Odd who should answer at your case. @Oddmerta can you do this?

I was hoping he would as well, but I would I love your thoughts on what I brought up.

In addition to his, I mean.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:10 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:00 pm(snip)
The thing is Bo didn't interact very much with you in the first days, and I don't remember from JPIC any stance regarding you, but i have to check.

I see your post count in this site is not so big, how much mafia experience do you have?
Can you link me a scum game and a town game no matter how old?

Sadly I can't link any games; the portion of the RYM forums that contained the mafia games were all deleted.

My experience with mafia was probably about 3-4 years or so from 2012ish - 2015ish. Only 3 games out of 25-30 games I was scum, and only one of those I won. And unless I'm forgetting, very few or none of those games included a miller role, and I definitely never had a miller card myself.

What are you doing when you have a role you didn't have and you don't know?
What is worse, to keep alive a slot who cannot be cleared during the game or to claim you are a weak spot for town?
Survival mentality is for scum, town wants to die in the search for truth, like Sloonei did for eg.

Me, I am reading about a new role and try to figure how to play it better.
I had a similar ability with yours in a few games and I had to write a text for Sod to appear in the write ups, and my only concern was to share my thoughts and help the village. What from your text helped the village, can you link them?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:22 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:12 pm @Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.

Yes, i read your posts.

Imo, it's Odd who should answer at your case. @Oddmerta can you do this?

I was hoping he would as well, but I would I love your thoughts on what I brought up.

I am phone posting now, maybe i can do this in the morning (is 10:30 pm for me rn)

If Odd is scum that means he is enjoying tormenting villagers, because imo if he was Gerhard mafia he wouldn't let me have any peek and he would kill me long ago. Bo played well the first days and had a good image in the game since then, plus the distance JPIC made in his posts made harder to understand Bo is scum.
I don't think everyone would accept to chop Bo without the peek. And i had the peek with Odd's help, at least this is my impression.

Why Odd and not Esooa for eg, @Strawhenge?