[Endgame] Masters of the Universe Mafia

#121

Wow. I really need to go reread the host posts, I'm totally confused. Sorry I haven't been able to keep up much over the long weekend. I should be able to get up to speed around lunch time!

#122

Also, forgot to say, awesome picture, SE! Excited to have your picture story accompaniments again, and very well-done as usual.

He-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.
I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos

Can either of you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

#123

I agree that non-Stridor voters do look slightly more suspicious at this point, but I'll also be keeping an eye on Stridor riders.

Picking someone to lynch based solely on vehicle choice seems a bit presumptuous. Even if the theory that one player from each baddie team (and the indies) chose the Stridor, that leaves us with 10 baddies and an indie among 21 non-Stridor voters. That's still almost 50% odds on hanging a civvie, so I personally hope to get something more to go on by the voting deadline.

It's looking more and more like the Stridor was the best vehicle choice, especially since many seem inclined to choose among those who took other transportation methods.

#124

Russtifinko wrote:I agree that non-Stridor voters do look slightly more suspicious at this point, but I'll also be keeping an eye on Stridor riders.

Picking someone to lynch based solely on vehicle choice seems a bit presumptuous. Even if the theory that one player from each baddie team (and the indies) chose the Stridor, that leaves us with 10 baddies and an indie among 21 non-Stridor voters. That's still almost 50% odds on hanging a civvie, so I personally hope to get something more to go on by the voting deadline.

It's looking more and more like the Stridor was the best vehicle choice, especially since many seem inclined to choose among those who took other transportation methods.

I think it's not wise to lynch based on that alone either, I agree. I'm interested, do you have any pings as to anyone who might be worth an

or nothing yet?

#125

What does the

represent. sorry for all the dumb questions.

#126

Snow Dog wrote:What does the represent. sorry for all the dumb questions.

It's an eye, signifying giving someone a close look to determine where their loyalties lie.

#127

It;s an eye...lol....yeah that bit I got.

#128

thellama73 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:it's also possible that the baddies are trying to dissuade us from thinking my theory is a good idea, which is what I think is happening
Or that's what they want us to think!

WIFOM much? Both the info and the prize were tantalizing alternatives, I just chose to roll the bones on the big money. Which didn't work out for me, but eh.

#129

Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

#130

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

Well I'm new to this. This is my first game. I hadn't even heard of this mafia thing until a few days ago. Interesting to read peoples theories so far but got nothing to add at the moment.

#131

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

Well I'm new to this. This is my first game. I hadn't even heard of this mafia thing until a few days ago. Interesting to read peoples theories so far but got nothing to add at the moment.

Understandable. What do you think of the Non-Stridor theory that baddies might have spread teammates across the non-Stridor options or do you think that it's null and void? And do you have any idea whom you might vote for yet?

#132

Sorry I'm late guys. Just been notified this has started.

#133

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

Welcome back to Mafia bitch - you are quite the vocal player something I have missed <3
Also I left a note on Porcu's FB I told him I was already pinged by his silence lol

No idea where I am voting still watching to see what happens. I was pinged by your initial statement but you have answered to that and what you meant. I really thought you were trying quash that discussion.

Linky speaking of my fake ping lol

#134

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, forgot to say, awesome picture, SE! Excited to have your picture story accompaniments again, and very well-done as usual.

He-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.
I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos
Can either of you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

I'm saying that people trying to make the lynch completely based upon the Stridor vote... the difference between the two probabilities is pretty small and it's based upon many assumptions.... I don't know that this discussion is really based on anything but wild guesses and I'd like us all to remember that.

While at least two baddies are extremely likely to be in what I'll remind you is MY voting group, at the same time, there could easily be more. Ja feel?

#135

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, forgot to say, awesome picture, SE! Excited to have your picture story accompaniments again, and very well-done as usual.

He-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.
I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos
Can either of you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
I'm saying that people trying to make the lynch completely based upon the Stridor vote... the difference between the two probabilities is pretty small and it's based upon many assumptions.... I don't know that this discussion is really based on anything but wild guesses and I'd like us all to remember that.

While at least two baddies are extremely likely to be in what I'll remind you is MY voting group, at the same time, there could easily be more. Ja feel?

OK, after reading, I agree with Dom. The whole theory would be based on the fact that there is only one piece of information to be achieved. Who says that if all players voted stridor, that they wouldn't all get different bits of info?

#136

I still like the idea of voting off non-participants, not for any strategic reason, but to make the game more fun. However, Boomslang's defensive response to the Stridor theory struck me as a little suspect.

#137

Roxy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?
Welcome back to Mafia bitch - you are quite the vocal player something I have missed <3
Also I left a note on Porcu's FB I told him I was already pinged by his silence lol

No idea where I am voting still watching to see what happens. I was pinged by your initial statement but you have answered to that and what you meant. I really thought you were trying quash that discussion.

Linky speaking of my fake ping lol

Well, thank you! What can I say, I love mafia, and what better way to play than to truly PLAY? It is great to be back in the swing of it, and this game already promises to be really freaking cool. :drums:

I apologize, I probably didn't word that correctly; I'm all for discussion as you know, especially as a civvie. I just thought it was weird for anyone to jump on the let's lynch no-shows train when it had only been 24 hours AND there are more than a few completely new players to this game. Struck me as opportunistic. We all know how IRL can be, and especially at the beginning of the game when people may not have even known the game had started. Quiet players after a few days? That's a totally different ball game.

I'm not really sure where my vote is going at this point either. All I've had so far is a slight ping on He-Man, and to a lesser extent you, but I was/am giving both of you the BOTD to see if you could clarify. I also have a few other players in my eye but I need to see how they continue to post before I call them out. All I have to say is it's exciting to play with this crowd of people! I know many of them from all different aspects of my life, some have played mafia before, some haven't.

LOL, and welcome to the party, DP!

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, forgot to say, awesome picture, SE! Excited to have your picture story accompaniments again, and very well-done as usual.

He-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.
I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos
Can either of you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
I'm saying that people trying to make the lynch completely based upon the Stridor vote... the difference between the two probabilities is pretty small and it's based upon many assumptions.... I don't know that this discussion is really based on anything but wild guesses and I'd like us all to remember that.

While at least two baddies are extremely likely to be in what I'll remind you is MY voting group, at the same time, there could easily be more. Ja feel?

Ah, okay, I understand that. You're right, it's logical; I think it would be weird for anyone to actually place their vote with a sole emphasis on ONLY the Non-Stridor theory. The probability doesn't make that big of a difference, and there's WIFOM arguments tied up in it. And while it would be better than completely randomizing, I find it could also be used just as easily to relinquish responsibility for a vote by a baddie. Just pop in and say, yeah, the Non-Stridor theory makes sense, and put their vote on one of them, you know?

I think the good thing about all of this discussion is that all possibilities are being thrown around, AND that as people post more in response to the discussion and votes roll in, you can perhaps get a feel for their true intentions. It's better to put it all out in the thread. I thought maybe at first you were saying the discussion wasn't helpful, or I wasn't really sure what you were saying, so thanks for the clarification.

#138

Kate wrote:
Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, forgot to say, awesome picture, SE! Excited to have your picture story accompaniments again, and very well-done as usual.

He-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.
I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos
Can either of you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
I'm saying that people trying to make the lynch completely based upon the Stridor vote... the difference between the two probabilities is pretty small and it's based upon many assumptions.... I don't know that this discussion is really based on anything but wild guesses and I'd like us all to remember that.

While at least two baddies are extremely likely to be in what I'll remind you is MY voting group, at the same time, there could easily be more. Ja feel?
OK, after reading, I agree with Dom. The whole theory would be based on the fact that there is only one piece of information to be achieved. Who says that if all players voted stridor, that they wouldn't all get different bits of info?

This is true, and you're right on the mark, HOWEVER, was that speculated before the info was given out? I think the general consensus at the time was that there would be some sort of info, and that it would likely get leaked out into the thread anyway. That isn't what I thought, and that isn't necessarily what everyone thought, but maybe it could have been the basis for a baddie team's decision.

It's all conjecture, but considering it's Day 1 (yay, Day 1), I suppose you have to start somewhere, correct?

thellama73 wrote:I still like the idea of voting off non-participants, not for any strategic reason, but to make the game more fun. However, Boomslang's defensive response to the Stridor theory struck me as a little suspect.

I'm all for this, especially because as a host I know it can be frustrating to have non-participants. Plus, it's an easy way to hide as a baddie as a non-participant because you don't have to put yourself out there and risk being lynched. However, it is still pretty early, and I'm not sure whether the non-participants are baddie or civvie any more than I am those participating, so I'd rather avoid that.

That's an interesting observation re: Boomslang, care to elaborate?

#139

EBWOP: To llama, I should have said, "I'm all for this IN THEORY"*

Now back to studying and other such things. Be around later!

#140

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I still like the idea of voting off non-participants, not for any strategic reason, but to make the game more fun. However, Boomslang's defensive response to the Stridor theory struck me as a little suspect.
That's an interesting observation re: Boomslang, care to elaborate?

He seemed annoyed that people were suspecting the non-Stridor voters as baddies. Since he is a non-Stridor voter, if he were a baddie he would probably react as such. On the other hand, he may just be a fearful civvie who happened not to vote for Stridor (a position I can certainly relate to.) Still, the tone in the post seemed a little desperate to me.

#141

My head is in a whirl reading all this stuff.

#142

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I still like the idea of voting off non-participants, not for any strategic reason, but to make the game more fun. However, Boomslang's defensive response to the Stridor theory struck me as a little suspect.
That's an interesting observation re: Boomslang, care to elaborate?
He seemed annoyed that people were suspecting the non-Stridor voters as baddies. Since he is a non-Stridor voter, if he were a baddie he would probably react as such. On the other hand, he may just be a fearful civvie who happened not to vote for Stridor (a position I can certainly relate to.) Still, the tone in the post seemed a little desperate to me.

Are you Llama from PA?

#143

Yes. Are you Snow Dog from PA?

#144

thellama73 wrote:Yes. Are you Snow Dog from PA?

Of course

#145

Wow, what an excellent start to what looks like it will be an EPIC game! Posts are phenomenal, Epignosis!

The discussion so far is awesome for a Day 1. Personally, I am going to look at all players - regardless of which vehicle they chose. I will base my suspicion on thread activity.

But I love all the ideas and theories so far.

It did ping me a little that MP didn't want the non-voters looked at - my first thought was, ah, maybe he has a team mate or two in that group

However, his later explanation makes sense.

Oh and FYI - I totally phase out on the math so will be skimming those posts

Hi Snow Dog - welcome to your first game!

Just wanted to point out that you cannot edit your posts in mafia

Love the first game picture, Spaghetti!

#146

LittleTiger wrote:Wow, what an excellent start to what looks like it will be an EPIC game! Posts are phenomenal, Epignosis!

The discussion so far is awesome for a Day 1. Personally, I am going to look at all players - regardless of which vehicle they chose. I will base my suspicion on thread activity. But I love all the ideas and theories so far.

It did ping me a little that MP didn't want the non-voters looked at - my first thought was, ah, maybe he has a team mate or two in that group However, his later explanation makes sense.

Oh and FYI - I totally phase out on the math so will be skimming those posts

Hi Snow Dog - welcome to your first game! Just wanted to point out that you cannot edit your posts in mafia

Love the first game picture, Spaghetti!

I don't think its pingworthy, but I can see why you do considering what just happened to us in Daisy's beatles game. We ignored the missing players and ended up lynching civs based on this same theory MP put forward (that they would have teammie pushing them into the thread).

#147

LittleTiger wrote:Wow, what an excellent start to what looks like it will be an EPIC game! Posts are phenomenal, Epignosis!

The discussion so far is awesome for a Day 1. Personally, I am going to look at all players - regardless of which vehicle they chose. I will base my suspicion on thread activity. But I love all the ideas and theories so far.

It did ping me a little that MP didn't want the non-voters looked at - my first thought was, ah, maybe he has a team mate or two in that group However, his later explanation makes sense.

Oh and FYI - I totally phase out on the math so will be skimming those posts

Hi Snow Dog - welcome to your first game! Just wanted to point out that you cannot edit your posts in mafia

Love the first game picture, Spaghetti!

Ah. I'd forgotten.I only changed the colour of my text as it was off topic.

#148

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I still like the idea of voting off non-participants, not for any strategic reason, but to make the game more fun. However, Boomslang's defensive response to the Stridor theory struck me as a little suspect.
That's an interesting observation re: Boomslang, care to elaborate?
He seemed annoyed that people were suspecting the non-Stridor voters as baddies. Since he is a non-Stridor voter, if he were a baddie he would probably react as such. On the other hand, he may just be a fearful civvie who happened not to vote for Stridor (a position I can certainly relate to.) Still, the tone in the post seemed a little desperate to me.

This is a decent observation. I could just as easily foresee both scenarios, but you're right in that it did sound a tad overly-defensive. Now what that means, good question. Maybe Boomslang can clarify? I assume he'll claim the latter of your two proposed thoughts here, but it helps to get a person's response to gauge the intention, as I've stated previously.

LittleTiger wrote:Wow, what an excellent start to what looks like it will be an EPIC game! Posts are phenomenal, Epignosis!

The discussion so far is awesome for a Day 1. Personally, I am going to look at all players - regardless of which vehicle they chose. I will base my suspicion on thread activity. But I love all the ideas and theories so far.

It did ping me a little that MP didn't want the non-voters looked at - my first thought was, ah, maybe he has a team mate or two in that group However, his later explanation makes sense.

Oh and FYI - I totally phase out on the math so will be skimming those posts

Hi Snow Dog - welcome to your first game! Just wanted to point out that you cannot edit your posts in mafia

Love the first game picture, Spaghetti!

I know you said it makes sense now, but I wanted to clarify this, especially because, looking at He-Man's post again, it still strikes me as strange.

I thought it was weird that only after 24 hours someone as their first post of the day would be all, Let's look at non-posters! Let me again emphasize that Day 1 had barely started. It would be a different story if later in the game, and even if near the end of Day 1. That's totally understandable. Hell, I've voted for no shows on Day 1's before because I felt there was nothing better to go off of (as recently as Futurama over on RM, where I almost got lynched for that vote and was a civvie), so I wasn't squashing discussion.

Don't you think it was a weird thing to say? It struck me as particularly opportunistic in a possibly baddie way. I'm still waiting on He-Man's response to my inquiry because honestly that's my biggest ping thus far, combined with the fact that he echoed Dom's post here:

He-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.
I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos

Still giving him the BOTD, obviously, as what he could respond with could clear my ping -- but that's the only occurrence that really made my eyebrow crick. Though we have more than 24 hours still, so I have to echo that the discussion level has been insightful and beneficial so far.

Llama's posts on the other hand, while he did bring up the idea of voting for no-shows, have struck me as logically-based (he seems to consistently consider many possible scenarios to items that he and others bring up) and he does seem like he is throwing many theories/thoughts out there to see how people react (which he also admitted), so his behavior didn't strike me the same way that He-Man's has.

Also, Re: Kate's point, you guys ignored those players for MANY day periods in that game. If we still have quiet players after 2 night periods, I'm pretty much always more than willing to give them the good old

(and we all should be) because I try to encourage them to participate so that we can get as much information and people's thoughts in the thread as possible. I just think it's a bit weird and counter-productive to fly out of the gate and accuse them as lynch topics, especially in a game with total mafia newbies.

#149

I have a question. When is a post considered off topic and needing to be green?

My last noob question. I promise, promise, promise....

#150

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

Well I'm new to this. This is my first game. I hadn't even heard of this mafia thing until a few days ago. Interesting to read peoples theories so far but got nothing to add at the moment.
Understandable. What do you think of the Non-Stridor theory that baddies might have spread teammates across the non-Stridor options or do you think that it's null and void? And do you have any idea whom you might vote for yet?

It's my first time playing as well and I feel like I'm still taking things in like Snow Dog.

But to answer your question- I could see a baddie having the forethought to see this argument coming, or a goodie wanting to go for the prize. It seems to be agreed upon, if I’m reading this right, that the odds aren’t great either way so I don’t think anyone deserves a pass. Thus, I really don’t feel comfortable singling anyone out at this point but I'm open to suggestion.

#151

Snow Dog wrote:I have a question. When is a post considered off topic and needing to be green?

My last noob question. I promise, promise, promise....

I encourage you to ask questions! Off topic just means your post has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. For example:

Last night, I roasted a chicken and whipped up some creamy shiitake risotto to go with it.

#152

Epignosis wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I have a question. When is a post considered off topic and needing to be green?

My last noob question. I promise, promise, promise....
I encourage you to ask questions! Off topic just means your post has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all. For example:

Last night, I roasted a chicken and whipped up some creamy shiitake risotto to go with it.

Thanks Rob!

And sorry about my edit. Won't happen again.

#153

I wouldn't mind whipping up some creamy shiitake risotto, if you know what I mean.

#154

Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind whipping up some creamy shiitake risotto, if you know what I mean.

I honestly don't.

#155

Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind whipping up some creamy shiitake risotto, if you know what I mean.

You're hungry?

#156

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I still like the idea of voting off non-participants, not for any strategic reason, but to make the game more fun. However, Boomslang's defensive response to the Stridor theory struck me as a little suspect.
That's an interesting observation re: Boomslang, care to elaborate?
He seemed annoyed that people were suspecting the non-Stridor voters as baddies. Since he is a non-Stridor voter, if he were a baddie he would probably react as such. On the other hand, he may just be a fearful civvie who happened not to vote for Stridor (a position I can certainly relate to.) Still, the tone in the post seemed a little desperate to me.
This is a decent observation. I could just as easily foresee both scenarios, but you're right in that it did sound a tad overly-defensive. Now what that means, good question. Maybe Boomslang can clarify? I assume he'll claim the latter of your two proposed thoughts here, but it helps to get a person's response to gauge the intention, as I've stated previously.

LittleTiger wrote:Wow, what an excellent start to what looks like it will be an EPIC game! Posts are phenomenal, Epignosis!

The discussion so far is awesome for a Day 1. Personally, I am going to look at all players - regardless of which vehicle they chose. I will base my suspicion on thread activity. But I love all the ideas and theories so far.

It did ping me a little that MP didn't want the non-voters looked at - my first thought was, ah, maybe he has a team mate or two in that group However, his later explanation makes sense.

Oh and FYI - I totally phase out on the math so will be skimming those posts

Hi Snow Dog - welcome to your first game! Just wanted to point out that you cannot edit your posts in mafia

Love the first game picture, Spaghetti!
I know you said it makes sense now, but I wanted to clarify this, especially because, looking at He-Man's post again, it still strikes me as strange.

I thought it was weird that only after 24 hours someone as their first post of the day would be all, Let's look at non-posters! Let me again emphasize that Day 1 had barely started. It would be a different story if later in the game, and even if near the end of Day 1. That's totally understandable. Hell, I've voted for no shows on Day 1's before because I felt there was nothing better to go off of (as recently as Futurama over on RM, where I almost got lynched for that vote and was a civvie), so I wasn't squashing discussion.

Don't you think it was a weird thing to say? It struck me as particularly opportunistic in a possibly baddie way. I'm still waiting on He-Man's response to my inquiry because honestly that's my biggest ping thus far, combined with the fact that he echoed Dom's post here:

He-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:This is likely a chaotic discussion that the baddies are using against us.
I agree with this we seem in the midst of chaos
Still giving him the BOTD, obviously, as what he could respond with could clear my ping -- but that's the only occurrence that really made my eyebrow crick. Though we have more than 24 hours still, so I have to echo that the discussion level has been insightful and beneficial so far.

Llama's posts on the other hand, while he did bring up the idea of voting for no-shows, have struck me as logically-based (he seems to consistently consider many possible scenarios to items that he and others bring up) and he does seem like he is throwing many theories/thoughts out there to see how people react (which he also admitted), so his behavior didn't strike me the same way that He-Man's has.

Also, Re: Kate's point, you guys ignored those players for MANY day periods in that game. If we still have quiet players after 2 night periods, I'm pretty much always more than willing to give them the good old (and we all should be) because I try to encourage them to participate so that we can get as much information and people's thoughts in the thread as possible. I just think it's a bit weird and counter-productive to fly out of the gate and accuse them as lynch topics, especially in a game with total mafia newbies.

MP, I had accepted your explanation, and I can well understand being protective of new players to your site (I have done the same at RM), however, you are really hammering this thing home and they are not all new players. Now you have noted that the first person to bring up non-voters was also a newbie... but excuse llama on the basis that it was "logical". I did go back and read through what He-Man said, and he actually mentioned that it was a good way to get discussion going. To answer your question, no, I did not think it a weird thing for someone to say considering it is Day 1 and we have to look somewhere.

To me, it appears that you are over-explaining, trying hard to refocus us to look at dom and he-man. Perhaps you are being over-defensive, MP as you accuse boomslang of being? So, now I have an

on you.

#157

Kate wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind whipping up some creamy shiitake risotto, if you know what I mean.
You're hungry?

I sure am!

#158

AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, we still have over 24 hours left, but whom haven't we heard from still? Reptar, DP, Ishar, KL05? Looking at who has posted, there are still quite a lot of names I want to hear more from as well. Any thoughts, Aces, AATB, Anna, DH, Snow Dog, SD, Vomps, etc.? Doesn't even have to be a suspicion, but at least something regarding what has happened so far?

Well I'm new to this. This is my first game. I hadn't even heard of this mafia thing until a few days ago. Interesting to read peoples theories so far but got nothing to add at the moment.
Understandable. What do you think of the Non-Stridor theory that baddies might have spread teammates across the non-Stridor options or do you think that it's null and void? And do you have any idea whom you might vote for yet?

It's my first time playing as well and I feel like I'm still taking things in like Snow Dog.

But to answer your question- I could see a baddie having the forethought to see this argument coming, or a goodie wanting to go for the prize. It seems to be agreed upon, if I’m reading this right, that the odds aren’t great either way so I don’t think anyone deserves a pass. Thus, I really don’t feel comfortable singling anyone out at this point but I'm open to suggestion.

I understand that. I would agree with your assessment here. Thanks for the response.

#159

The boomslang mention made sense to me.

Also, as far as I'm aware, no one was even close to saying "lets lynch someone solely on vehicle choice" - rather, it was a starting point to narrow down the choices. I think its very likely the majority of them are in the group of non-stidor voters for reasons I've already explained. That being said, I was hoping to get discussion started on people within that group who have done something suspicious/cricked eyebrows. I think its a stretch/overreaction to explain it away as "don't lynch someone for what they picked in the poll dude"

#160

LittleTiger wrote:
MP, I had accepted your explanation, and I can well understand being protective of new players to your site (I have done the same at RM), however, you are really hammering this thing home and they are not all new players. Now you have noted that the first person to bring up non-voters was also a newbie... but excuse llama on the basis that it was "logical". I did go back and read through what He-Man said, and he actually mentioned that it was a good way to get discussion going. To answer your question, no, I did not think it a weird thing for someone to say considering it is Day 1 and we have to look somewhere.

To me, it appears that you are over-explaining, trying hard to refocus us to look at dom and he-man. Perhaps you are being over-defensive, MP as you accuse boomslang of being? So, now I have an on you.

Woah, defensive mode much? Hammering, how? I mentioned my initial observation it was weird, then explained my actions because people questioned it, and then elaborated on my only big ping so far. And that's hammering? I even stated more than once I was giving He-Man the benefit of the doubt, but that I found it was a weird observation. I still don't see how it's not weird; could you perhaps explain that to me? It really screams to me here like you might be defending a baddie teammate if He-Man is indeed bad. I am still more than open to the possibility that he is not, but he has not yet responded to me.

Not all new players? Let's see, looking at the poll: AllAlongtheBoardwalk, AnnaDanielle, Elohcin, Ishar, KeaponLaffin, reptaronice, Russtifinko, Snow Dog have all never played an online mafia game ever before. Boomslang, JJLehto, Vompatti, and SpaghettiEverywhere have what I would call limited experience. I was also pretty sure llama73 was completely new but he did indicate he has played games similarly to this, but that's another player as well. How many of these players have put more than 1 or 2 posts into the thread so far, LT, and did so after only 24 HOURS when the Prologue was over?

You're twisting my words. I did not say the way llama did so with regards to no-shows was logical, I said that his behavior throughout the game has been logical. He has been vocal, more than willing to consider more than one side of the coin, etc. I could be wrong about him, but he hasn't pinged me. He-Man has. Do you have reason to believe He-Man is a civvie? Because if you do, and it's logical, I'm more than willing to listen to you.

Also, please point where I ONCE mentioned Dom in my posts. Where? I don't find Dom suspicious currently. This response is incredibly over the top of you.

#161

Dom gave me an acceptable answer and clarification as to his post, so I never found him suspicious. I specifically earlier said (and look at my posts) that I had a few people on my radar but was waiting to see how they'd respond. llama and Dom made me wonder a bit with what they had posted, but later on clarified, and I never outright voiced suspicion of them.

I do look forward to what He-Man has to say just so I can better understand his train of thought -- because to me, it seemed he was latching onto the let's look at no-shows, and then with his agreement with Dom, AND then LT's OTT defense, it all strikes me as pingy. I'd say He-Man and LT, and then followed by Boomslang because I think llama had a good observation there, would be where I think my vote might be going at this point. Again, I'd love to hear more from He-Man and Boomslang, as well as those other players I called out earlier. I noticed Snow Dog didn't respond to my post, so I'd like to hear more from him too.

I've gotten a lot of studying done today and taken breaks reading/posting, but I'll be busier after 4:30PM EST. I'll be around before the vote ends early tomorrow afternoon, and likely will be able to pop in once or twice before then, but that's probably it.

#162

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dom gave me an acceptable answer and clarification as to his post, so I never found him suspicious. I specifically earlier said (and look at my posts) that I had a few people on my radar but was waiting to see how they'd respond. llama and Dom made me wonder a bit with what they had posted, but later on clarified, and I never outright voiced suspicion of them.

I do look forward to what He-Man has to say just so I can better understand his train of thought -- because to me, it seemed he was latching onto the let's look at no-shows, and then with his agreement with Dom, AND then LT's OTT defense, it all strikes me as pingy. I'd say He-Man and LT, and then followed by Boomslang because I think llama had a good observation there, would be where I think my vote might be going at this point. Again, I'd love to hear more from He-Man and Boomslang, as well as those other players I called out earlier. I noticed Snow Dog didn't respond to my post, so I'd like to hear more from him too.

I've gotten a lot of studying done today and taken breaks reading/posting, but I'll be busier after 4:30PM EST. I'll be around before the vote ends early tomorrow afternoon, and likely will be able to pop in once or twice before then, but that's probably it.

I dont think I said let's look at no shows I said I liked the a da city of the OP in stepping forward and starting talking and i felt you came in and tried to stifle that.

And I do think all the maths is confusing this is Mafia not a maths test some people struggle like me and well I dont get all the maths. And when people are confused I believe the mafia take advantage. Which is why I commented on Dom's post because I felt there has been opportunity to blind side the civvies.

FYI Ilove all the chat its great

#163

blindfaeth wrote:The boomslang mention made sense to me.

Also, as far as I'm aware, no one was even close to saying "lets lynch someone solely on vehicle choice" - rather, it was a starting point to narrow down the choices. I think its very likely the majority of them are in the group of non-stidor voters for reasons I've already explained. That being said, I was hoping to get discussion started on people within that group who have done something suspicious/cricked eyebrows. I think its a stretch/overreaction to explain it away as "don't lynch someone for what they picked in the poll dude"

I meant to ask you this last night, but I never got back on to ask it and forgot until just now. You did say last night that the Stridor voters should be given a pass for this lynch, did you not? Anyway, my question was this...You said that you thought the baddies can be found in the non-Stridor voters based on the fact that Stridor voters got info. I can understand the logic there except for the fact that you are basically saying that civvies wouldn't be interested in actually winning the race but that they would be more interested in getting the info. IIRC, there were 2 vehicles that were basically "favorites" to win, there was one with info, and then there were two vehicles that everyone pretty much agreed had no chance of winning. I was curious why you didn't factor this into your thoughts about the non-Stridor voters?

#164

I am satisfied my MP's explanation of his initial comment, at least for the time being. It's understandable why he would be suspicious of He-Man's and my eagerness to lynch non-participants. Personally, I don't find his actions suspicious so far. Plus, he called me logical, which makes me happy.

#165

Not in a very pleasant, nor a very mafia mood right now so my planned catch up and stuff will have to be delayed. Sorry Epig, I'm sure I'm pissing you off already.

#166

MovingPictures07 wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:
MP, I had accepted your explanation, and I can well understand being protective of new players to your site (I have done the same at RM), however, you are really hammering this thing home and they are not all new players. Now you have noted that the first person to bring up non-voters was also a newbie... but excuse llama on the basis that it was "logical". I did go back and read through what He-Man said, and he actually mentioned that it was a good way to get discussion going. To answer your question, no, I did not think it a weird thing for someone to say considering it is Day 1 and we have to look somewhere.

To me, it appears that you are over-explaining, trying hard to refocus us to look at dom and he-man. Perhaps you are being over-defensive, MP as you accuse boomslang of being? So, now I have an on you.
Woah, defensive mode much? Hammering, how? I mentioned my initial observation it was weird, then explained my actions because people questioned it, and then elaborated on my only big ping so far. And that's hammering? I even stated more than once I was giving He-Man the benefit of the doubt, but that I found it was a weird observation. I still don't see how it's not weird; could you perhaps explain that to me? It really screams to me here like you might be defending a baddie teammate if He-Man is indeed bad. I am still more than open to the possibility that he is not, but he has not yet responded to me.

Not all new players? Let's see, looking at the poll: AllAlongtheBoardwalk, AnnaDanielle, Elohcin, Ishar, KeaponLaffin, reptaronice, Russtifinko, Snow Dog have all never played an online mafia game ever before. Boomslang, JJLehto, Vompatti, and SpaghettiEverywhere have what I would call limited experience. I was also pretty sure llama73 was completely new but he did indicate he has played games similarly to this, but that's another player as well. How many of these players have put more than 1 or 2 posts into the thread so far, LT, and did so after only 24 HOURS when the Prologue was over?

You're twisting my words. I did not say the way llama did so with regards to no-shows was logical, I said that his behavior throughout the game has been logical. He has been vocal, more than willing to consider more than one side of the coin, etc. I could be wrong about him, but he hasn't pinged me. He-Man has. Do you have reason to believe He-Man is a civvie? Because if you do, and it's logical, I'm more than willing to listen to you.

Also, please point where I ONCE mentioned Dom in my posts. Where? I don't find Dom suspicious currently. This response is incredibly over the top of you.

Umm... I am not being "defensive", I was pointing out that despite me saying that I had accepted your explanation (which I found, you know, acceptable), you had to reassert what I had already accepted. So, it makes me wonder why all over again. You seem overly defensive, to be honest. Especially when you categorize my post as "OTT" which it certainly was not. I was simply stating my observation of your continued "defense" of your post casting aspersions on those who wanted to look at non-voters.

Did you or did you not quote Dom in the post I quoted that you wrote? I assumed you were trying to insinuate that he was suspect along with He-Man, so apologies for that assumption.

#167

reywaS wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:The boomslang mention made sense to me.

Also, as far as I'm aware, no one was even close to saying "lets lynch someone solely on vehicle choice" - rather, it was a starting point to narrow down the choices. I think its very likely the majority of them are in the group of non-stidor voters for reasons I've already explained. That being said, I was hoping to get discussion started on people within that group who have done something suspicious/cricked eyebrows. I think its a stretch/overreaction to explain it away as "don't lynch someone for what they picked in the poll dude"

I meant to ask you this last night, but I never got back on to ask it and forgot until just now. You did say last night that the Stridor voters should be given a pass for this lynch, did you not? Anyway, my question was this...You said that you thought the baddies can be found in the non-Stridor voters based on the fact that Stridor voters got info. I can understand the logic there except for the fact that you are basically saying that civvies wouldn't be interested in actually winning the race but that they would be more interested in getting the info. IIRC, there were 2 vehicles that were basically "favorites" to win, there was one with info, and then there were two vehicles that everyone pretty much agreed had no chance of winning. I was curious why you didn't factor this into your thoughts about the non-Stridor voters?

Let's just quote my original post for reference.

blindfaeth wrote: Another awesome post, Epignosis I really feel like there is a story behind what we're doing. Really enjoying this one.

Thanks for posting this llama! So, I didn't want to say anything during the time the poll was up, but now I can speak my mind. I really think a good bit of the baddies will be among the non-stridor votes, and here's why.

Under the assumption that you are going to get the same info for picking Stridor as anyone else who picked it, I think a baddie team with BTSC would have one person pick Stridor to have an opportunity to get the info. Since they only need to get the info once in theory, the others would probably try to pick something that would win the race and get there first. So that is my thought process. What do others think? Obviously, the same applies to civvies, and there are several civvie BTSC teams. But I am definitely keeping this list handy, because I think a lot of the baddies will be among the non-stridor votes.

#1, please tell me where I said we should give the Stridor voters a pass. All I was inferring, was that if I were on a baddie team, I would have strongly recommended that only one of my teammates vote the stridor option to get the info. Since we wouldn't have needed the info more than once, the rest of us could all vote for another option & try to win the race. That being said, I think that it is very likely that 10 baddies are all among the non-Stridor voters. I could be wrong, but I think it makes a lot of sense, and is really logically sound.

#2, I never said that civvies wouldn't be interested in winning the race. I basically said that among the 21 or whatever non-Stridor votes, I think theres 10 baddies. That's kind of an odd statement to even make, rey. Why would I think there are 21 baddies when I can look on the front page and count to 12? Basically, you're trying to say that civvies would be more interested in getting info, but what I'm really trying to say is that only one baddie on each team would be interested in getting the info. Therefore, there are a lot more baddies among the non-info gaining vehicle.

#3, I didn't factor that into my theory because it doesnt make sense

linki x3

#168

Also Mp I tbought llama was new to mafia and I wanted to encourage his keeness by supporting his post regarding no shows. Inever once said I agreed with it or was going to follow him.

Also MP your tone to me sounds aggressive and I wonder why whoever disagrees with you is on your

list.

#169

He-Man wrote:Also Mp I tbought llama was new to mafia and I wanted to encourage his keeness by supporting his post regarding no shows. Inever once said I agreed with it or was going to follow him.

I have played the in-person party game before, but not the online version, and not with such complex roles. Your support is appreciated, nevertheless!

#170

thellama73 wrote:I am satisfied my MP's explanation of his initial comment, at least for the time being. It's understandable why he would be suspicious of He-Man's and my eagerness to lynch non-participants. Personally, I don't find his actions suspicious so far. Plus, he called me logical, which makes me happy.

Hey llama dont confuse me supporting your eagerness to supporting your method having played many games I predicted you saying what you did would lead to a wealth of discussiion. Which is what I supoorted