The Syndicate

Oh my god I totally forgot Daisy was playing, since she wasn't on the poll.

I think she could be the Denim Suit. Over Elo or Made.

I think of the 3 basically inactives from days 1-2, We need to break down the possibilities of who could be the suit.

Elo- The one thing that makes me think she is good is that she listed Wilgy as her #1 earlier, even if her vote for him was a bandwagon. But this is also based on her interaction since coming back in. Would really like Daisy to say something substantive to give me a better read.

Made- he made a pretty pivotal vote for Wilgy today, so that looks good. Otherwise,

So that leaves Daisy.

At some point we're gonna have to lynch them ifthey don't speak

Scotty, why do you appear to want to lynch the Denim Suit, a civilian role?

I think this Denim Shirt angle is a long shot.

thellama73 wrote:Scotty, why do you appear to want to lynch the Denim Suit, a civilian role?

I don't, you cat.

I want to identify who best fits the archetype so I know who not to lynch.

Wilgy posts about Quin:
Wilgy only directly addressed Quin once, to answer the GTH prod about Boomslang -- their opinions seemed be shared on this one.

Separately, this moment further confirms Boomslang as town. Quin, do you believe Wilgy implicated his teammate with this kind of logic?

Quin posts about Wilgy:
I'm going to spoil this one solo just to note that Quin gave GTH reads on a bunch of players but omitted Wilgy. This doesn't have to be damning, but I have made this error before as a bad guy with a teammate (Transistor, kneel4justice).

Quin's first acknowledgement of Wilgy comes on Day 3 unless I am missing something. That's an awful long wait. The posts here are neutral discussion of reads on INH and LC.
Well this isn't a great look. Quin waited forever to talk about Wilgy, and when he did it was to defend him when he was under the most lynch pressure. To be wrong is understandable, but I don't see any development of his read because he didn't talk about Wilgy before this period of the game. The read simply came into existence when Wilgy needed it most. Yikes.

Conclusion

Quin has emerged from a second mafioso lynch with his pants down. This time there is also egg on his face. It's a pretty bad scene. Quin, tell us what happened muh man.

Wilgy posts about MovingPictures07/Spacedaisy
MovingPictures07/Spacedaisy posts about Wilgy:
Conclusion

Can't eliminate her from contention even if there's no special reason to suspect her.

Long Con wrote:I think this Denim Shirt angle is a long shot.

I mean Denim Suit, not Shirt.

The only relevant post between Wilgy and Made is this one:

Made wrote:Won't vote JJJ because doing so making it possible for Wilgy or someone else to tie it up so voting Wilgy. I don't really see what's there, but a lynch is better than no lynch.

I think it's a decent look for Made, because beyond making the correct vote to avoid an awful tie, he did so without claiming any credit. His vote has a "whatever" attitude about it, and I think most baddies offing their teammates tend to try to grab some of that credit. "I see the suspicion of Wilgy" or "I think Wilgy might be bad" or some similar statement often describes what I'm talking about. Made didn't pull that, and I dig it.

thellama73 wrote:Incidentally, my "to lynch" list for tomorrow is down to four players. I'm feeling confident.

Then we're probably fucked.

Long Con wrote:

Long Con wrote:I think this Denim Shirt angle is a long shot.

I mean Denim Suit, not Shirt.

Do you have any inkling of what the "confuse" mechanic in that role might entail?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Long Con wrote:I think this Denim Shirt angle is a long shot.

I mean Denim Suit, not Shirt.

Do you have any inkling of what the "confuse" mechanic in that role might entail?

I got a very strange message on Night 2, which I think might have been confusion.

Meh. I'm basically Dom in Mad Max right now

I'm 2 for 2 on the count of throwing untimely defenses for flipped baddies and I've had a now-dead civ role blocker call me out on the night nobody died. I'm sure there's a point where even a civ just needs to put his hands up and say 'get it over with'. I've hit that point. I'll probably join 3J on the legacy front tomorrow.



This is the second game in a row I've suggested my own lynch. God damn.

Quin wrote:Meh. I'm basically Dom in Mad Max right now

I'm 2 for 2 on the count of throwing untimely defenses for flipped baddies and I've had a now-dead civ role blocker call me out on the night nobody died. I'm sure there's a point where even a civ just needs to put his hands up and say 'get it over with'. I've hit that point. I'll probably join 3J on the legacy front tomorrow.

This is the second game in a row I've suggested my own lynch. God damn.

Yeah, I'm feeling a Quin or INH lynch.

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:Meh. I'm basically Dom in Mad Max right now

I'm 2 for 2 on the count of throwing untimely defenses for flipped baddies and I've had a now-dead civ role blocker call me out on the night nobody died. I'm sure there's a point where even a civ just needs to put his hands up and say 'get it over with'. I've hit that point. I'll probably join 3J on the legacy front tomorrow.

This is the second game in a row I've suggested my own lynch. God damn.

Yeah, I'm feeling a Quin or INH lynch.

Is this INH suspicion new?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Long Con wrote:I think this Denim Shirt angle is a long shot.

I mean Denim Suit, not Shirt.

Do you have any inkling of what the "confuse" mechanic in that role might entail?

I can list off a few that have gone through my head;

- Controlled or random vote
- Post restriction (rather like a curse)
- Controlled or random role use
- False information

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:Meh. I'm basically Dom in Mad Max right now

I'm 2 for 2 on the count of throwing untimely defenses for flipped baddies and I've had a now-dead civ role blocker call me out on the night nobody died. I'm sure there's a point where even a civ just needs to put his hands up and say 'get it over with'. I've hit that point. I'll probably join 3J on the legacy front tomorrow.

This is the second game in a row I've suggested my own lynch. God damn.

Yeah, I'm feeling a Quin or INH lynch.

Is this INH suspicion new?

It's certainly the first I've heard of it.

Yeah, it's pretty new. I caught up to the lynch on my phone as soon as I got off work tonight. S
aw the result, was pleased. When I got home, I went back and looked over the lynch again quickly with the result in mind, looking for Wilgy teammates. You two came out looking pretty bad. Then some other posts happened that discussed you guys in relation to Wilgy, and I was like, " *nod* yeah, that's what I'm saying."

Yeah, so it's apres-Wilgy new.

Oops, that rando-line break is weird, I missed that before pressing Submit.

I don't think people have really talked about the sock that's that much yet. I'd like to know people's thoughts on it, especially about whether he/she should be trusted. I don't feel like they've said anything of value to us in the three nights they've been around.

Quin wrote:I don't think people have really talked about the sock that's that much yet. I'd like to know people's thoughts on it, especially about whether he/she should be trusted. I don't feel like they've said anything of value to us in the three nights they've been around.

I've admittedly not paid it a great deal of attention. There's a good chance our Great Mysterious Seventeenth Role is associated with it somehow.

Whoever it is seems to have some literary talent and is also an active participant, assuming it's controlled by one of the players on the game roster.

I don't agree that Eloh's #1 being about Wilgy makes her look good. I gather the opposite. Her Wilgy comment seems to be out of left field to me. I am immediately suspicious of anyone who offers this as their reason for suspicion:

#1 is Wilgy. Quiet...quiet...quiet....And then he is here with fire. Makes me wonder if he is bad, was laying low, and then suddenly felt the need to come in and defend himself because his teammates said so.

There are a few issues I have with this:

First, where did this sudden opinion of Wilgy come from? I don't recall her talking about him before.
Second, I've been bad a lot. I have never seen anyone tell a teammate "You need to come in and defend yourself." Therefore this opinion looks fabricated to me. If I squint a little, I maybe have seen people coaching someone new to Mafia who doesn't know the first thing, but Wilgy isn't new.
Third, consider Wilgy himself- does he lie low when bad? I don't think so. He pretty much does whatever he wants. Vompatti, Jr., I believe I've called him before.
Fourth, this is a terribly specific accusation that is introduced with the "Makes me wonder" phrase. That's a phrase that can be applied to just about anything to give yourself leeway in the future.

I'm sorry. Her eventual vote notwithstanding, none of this makes me think Eloh2 is on the good side.

Quin wrote:I don't think people have really talked about the sock that's that much yet. I'd like to know people's thoughts on it, especially about whether he/she should be trusted. I don't feel like they've said anything of value to us in the three nights they've been around.

Yeah, I haven't been paying too much attention. "Watch out for low posters." Uh huh. I'm also not that into the Cockney thing. Did Jean Genie mention something about info? I don't remember, maybe. Hasn't been enough of a presence, and no one has engaged.

Epignosis wrote:Second, I've been bad a lot. I have never seen anyone tell a teammate "You need to come in and defend yourself." Therefore this opinion looks fabricated to me. If I squint a little, I maybe have seen people coaching someone new to Mafia who doesn't know the first thing, but Wilgy isn't new.

I feel the same way about most "baddie BTSC coaching" arguments.

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:I don't think people have really talked about the sock that's that much yet. I'd like to know people's thoughts on it, especially about whether he/she should be trusted. I don't feel like they've said anything of value to us in the three nights they've been around.

Yeah, I haven't been paying too much attention. "Watch out for low posters." Uh huh. I'm also not that into the Cockney thing. Did Jean Genie mention something about info? I don't remember, maybe. Hasn't been enough of a presence, and no one has engaged.

He mentioned that he had info, but then admitted he didn't. He just wanted us to look at low posters. It's not particularly....................................inspiring.

Don't take that as some sort of hint any which way. People just use that word way too much.

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:I don't think people have really talked about the sock that's that much yet. I'd like to know people's thoughts on it, especially about whether he/she should be trusted. I don't feel like they've said anything of value to us in the three nights they've been around.

Yeah, I haven't been paying too much attention. "Watch out for low posters." Uh huh. I'm also not that into the Cockney thing. Did Jean Genie mention something about info? I don't remember, maybe. Hasn't been enough of a presence, and no one has engaged.

He mentioned that he had info, but then admitted he didn't. He just wanted us to look at low posters. It's not particularly....................................inspiring.

At this point, I don't think it has a big impact on the game. Probably the secret role, aka JJJ, has the ability to post in the thread as Jean Genie.

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:I don't think people have really talked about the sock that's that much yet. I'd like to know people's thoughts on it, especially about whether he/she should be trusted. I don't feel like they've said anything of value to us in the three nights they've been around.

Yeah, I haven't been paying too much attention. "Watch out for low posters." Uh huh. I'm also not that into the Cockney thing. Did Jean Genie mention something about info? I don't remember, maybe. Hasn't been enough of a presence, and no one has engaged.

He mentioned that he had info, but then admitted he didn't. He just wanted us to look at low posters. It's not particularly....................................inspiring.

At this point, I don't think it has a big impact on the game. Probably the secret role, aka JJJ, has the ability to post in the thread as Jean Genie.

You think 3J is the secret role?

Naw. I could see Scotty perhaps given the language Jean Genie employs. Or llama.

Just a fun reference to the day 0 name list thing.

Epignosis wrote: Second, I've been bad a lot. I have never seen anyone tell a teammate "You need to come in and defend yourself." Therefore this opinion looks fabricated to me. If I squint a little, I maybe have seen people coaching someone new to Mafia who doesn't know the first thing, but Wilgy isn't new.

Just to expand the data set, I have seen people in baddie BTSC say that on more than one occasion before.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Naw. I could see Scotty perhaps given the language Jean Genie employs. Or llama.

I've been assuming it was Epi.

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Naw. I could see Scotty perhaps given the language Jean Genie employs. Or llama.

I've been assuming it was Epi.

Me too.

I could see Epignosis being the Jean Genie, especially with this post.

Jean Genie wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hello all, huge apologies to our wonderful host and you all for my absence so far. I just finished my very busy conference and arrived at MCO, but I have a tight schedule before takeoff. I will be catching up either later tonight during my layover in ATL or tomorrow.

Cor blimey, it's about time you turned up! I was about to have yer bangers for breakfast otherwise. Now make with the postin'!

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Naw. I could see Scotty perhaps given the language Jean Genie employs. Or llama.

I've been assuming it was Epi.

Me too.

Me three.

Scotty wrote:Epi, I see you lurking.

what's your opinion on that Jean Genie hmmm?

That this post went ignored makes me really think that.

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:Epi, I see you lurking.

what's your opinion on that Jean Genie hmmm?

That this post went ignored makes me really think that.

Your post wasn't ignored but your question was. I was more interested in reading the thread and trying to make an informed vote than discussing the a puppet account. I have no opinion about the puppet account.

Night thoughts!

Quin's being beyond tinfoily weird, JJJ's voting and reasons for final votes smell bad, and I believe/agree that at least one of the remaining baddies is active due to action at night. Oh, and the sock is fun-loving nomsense.

Bloops out. Gonna finish Sherlock now!

The poll ended in a tie, so we get no night post.

Long Con wrote:The poll ended in a tie, so we get no night post.

And no nightkill!

Long Con wrote:The poll ended in a tie, so we get no night post.

So sorry.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:The poll ended in a tie, so we get no night post.

And no nightkill!

Yall need a break

He... he exploded!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:The poll ended in a tie, so we get no night post.

And no nightkill!

Uhhh....

Here's a felted marmot.

RIP MM.

I'm still torn on who I want to lynch today. I keep WIFOMing myself like crazy with Quin. "No civvie could be playing this ay, but no baddie would possibly choose to play this way either!" Round and round we go. In some ways, I think a Quin lynch would give us the most information, as there has been a lot of interaction, and it would shed light on the Day 2 lynch vote. But I am open to Long Con, INH, or even Spacedaisy.

I have decided I don't want to lynch JJJ. While the objective evidence against him is very strong, my heart says he is good. He has remained so calm during all this, and I think a baddie with absentee teammates would be more on edge. His interaction analysis last phase was genuinely helpful. If he is bad, he is playing such a good game thta he deserves to live another phase.

I still think Eloh subbed in for Mafia. Sorry dear- nothing you can say will change my mind. It's circumstantial.

I am down with a Quin or INH lynch at this time.

I also respect and agree with Epi's analysis of Elohcin. I'd vote for her above several others.