The Syndicate

Any takers on my sprityo hunch?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:54 pm JaggedJimmyJay calls his posts "puke" as though he hasn't had any opportunity to digest anything, but he said he's very much read the thread. It's a subtle way of making people think he hasn't had any opportunity to do so, but he has.

This should, in the very least, stop people from giving him credit for coming in with quick opinions. They aren't really quick. They've been percolating.

I said I followed the game. I have no reason to pretend I haven't followed the game after saying that I followed the game. I called it "puke" because the term amused me, and it seemed applicable to a large post containing many of the thoughts I develop when following along as a spectator.

That said, I haven't followed shit this day phase. I'll at least skim things now, but I'd prefer to focus more on present interaction. There are three hours.

Yet you saw my post pretty damn fast.

Sprityo is in a similar situations on as sig for me, somewhat active and still forgettable

I would consider a vote there. Can you recap your case for me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:54 pm JaggedJimmyJay calls his posts "puke" as though he hasn't had any opportunity to digest anything, but he said he's very much read the thread. It's a subtle way of making people think he hasn't had any opportunity to do so, but he has.

This should, in the very least, stop people from giving him credit for coming in with quick opinions. They aren't really quick. They've been percolating.

I said I followed the game. I have no reason to pretend I haven't followed the game after saying that I followed the game. I called it "puke" because the term amused me, and it seemed applicable to a large post containing many of the thoughts I develop when following along as a spectator.

That said, I haven't followed shit this day phase. I'll at least skim things now, but I'd prefer to focus more on present interaction. There are three hours.

Yet you saw my post pretty damn fast.

I saw this one fast too. It's late, my shit's done, I'm here.

I have no reason to read sprityo as a civilian.

Phone posting, with guests over, sorry

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:54 pmJaggedJimmyJay calls his posts "puke" as though he hasn't had any opportunity to digest anything,

This was a pretty good joke.

8.5/10

Someone talk to me about these Jack and Sloonei wagons. Summarize the beefs.

I should say i...

voted sloonei

Explanation forthcoming

Dom's failure to post anything at all is his Thing in recent memory. I do recall though that Kenny Bania (mafia) produced nothing whatsoever. I'm not sure even low-effort civilian games from Dom lately were quite so lacking. I'll check really quick.

Did Jack say he wouldn't be back before the lynch end? I was waiting on some answers.

I'm feeling like trusting Eloh for now, actually. I agree with Epi's analysis of her.

I also think Sloonei is Civ. I'm 80% sure that he posted something once that made me say "I am putting this guy in the Civ column."

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:11 pm Sprityo is in a similar situations on as sig for me, somewhat active and still forgettable

I would consider a vote there. Can you recap your case for me?

It's not so much of a case and more of an inclination. I wasn't crazy about his Day 1 vote (nutella) and he hasn't backed up too strongly when i've prodded him today.

I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

Can someone please familiarize me with the Sloonei case?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:16 pm Dom's failure to post anything at all is his Thing in recent memory. I do recall though that Kenny Bania (mafia) produced nothing whatsoever. I'm not sure even low-effort civilian games from Dom lately were quite so lacking. I'll check really quick.

I looked at four recent games wherein Dom was a civilian.

TSFQ - civilian - more useful in general, though it took a while

posts

Gatsby - civilian - very brief posts, only barely relevant content

posts

Night Vale - civilian - crapload of posts, comparison probably isn't sensible, it is an outlier for Dom in general

SFII - civilian - few posts, but relevant

posts

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I don't know that this makes Dom look considerably worse, because there's a decent amount of variance in his brands of lurking. He remains a default suspect if little else.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

Sorry, you're right, your vote swapped to Sprityo about 3 hours before that sequence (your last post prior to that sequence, actually). But I still don't like the justification of your vote, and the second bit seems too passive to me. Like you want somebody else to give you cover for swapping back and saving youraelf.

I just read sprityo's posts and I don't like the way he looks at all. Any reads he gives he bases entirely on someone else's opinion that he says he trusts. It feels like an easy way to suck responsibility.

I'm movingmy vote to sprityo.

I maintain that Dom probably completely forgot about the game. Wouldn't be the first time.

Dom had this same level of participation 2 years ago too. It's actually kind of weird. He's like a cryptid.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:28 pm I maintain that Dom probably completely forgot about the game. Wouldn't be the first time.

Nutella confirmed scumbuddies with Dom

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:08 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:53 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:45 pm I also lean trusting on jack and speed so I like the Nutella lynch

These are the only two solid reads I can find in sprityo's post history, and he uses them indirectly to justify his Day 1 nutella vote. He had previously said he could not find "anything" in nutella's ISO (which I took to mean "anything worth voting for"), but he put a vote on her based on the trust he has in the two people leading the bandwagon against her. He offered some justification for trusting Jack and speedchuck, but I'll need more fleshed out thoughts from sprit if I'm to make a solid judgment on him one way or the other. I don't hate the strategy of defering to trusted players in the absence of strong suspects, but I can also make the argument that he looks shady for avoiding direct responsinility in his own vote.

I’ve been playing this game on the back burner since there’s been lots of content generated in these first couple days.

I don’t like you picking at me though, but I get your point. I’m guessing you want more content from myself?

that is always what i want. What do you mean when you say you don't like me picking at you?

Like the overall tone I got from what you posted was negative sounding in nature, also I didn’t ISO Nutella, I simply just didn’t notice any posts by Nutella in the thread as I read it as something to pop out and grab my attention

I was pointing out reasons you might be suspicious, so my tone was deliberately negative, yeah.
Have you noticed any nutella posts yet?

I honestly haven’t read anything besides this today, I need to catch up

Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

I have no reason to read sig as a civilian.

This is the most substantive post in his history, and it's a bit of a hedge with regard to Epi and LC. He's positioned to do whatever he wants with regard to that feud.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:29 pm Dom had this same level of participation 2 years ago too. It's actually kind of weird. He's like a cryptid.

No way, he used to be a hugely active player... he would do like big case posts and everything. I think he's just been way busier IRL lately

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

Is this to imply that you were not willing to vote for Elohcin immediately after the initial post in that progression?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

I would argue that you made 15 posts prior to the protest I quoted there in addition to voting for nutella, and that those 15 posts serve as a premise which can justify a vote for you. You're not void of content here, but there's not much to inspire within that content (hi Quin).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:42 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

I would argue that you made 15 posts prior to the protest I quoted there in addition to voting for nutella, and that those 15 posts serve as a premise which can justify a vote for you. You're not void of content here, but there's not much to inspire within that content (hi Quin).

Well you can expect more of me not being here.

I’m stepping away for the night.

Do what you wish, I don’t care

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:42 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

I would argue that you made 15 posts prior to the protest I quoted there in addition to voting for nutella, and that those 15 posts serve as a premise which can justify a vote for you. You're not void of content here, but there's not much to inspire within that content (hi Quin).

Well you can expect more of me not being here.

I’m stepping away for the night.

Do what you wish, I don’t care

I've moved to Sloonei. He's not ticking the boxes that I feel should be ticked. This is the time where Sloonei should be spamming the hell out of this thread to both prove himself and set-up legacy reads, but I get a very lackluster feel from these recent posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:42 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

I would argue that you made 15 posts prior to the protest I quoted there in addition to voting for nutella, and that those 15 posts serve as a premise which can justify a vote for you. You're not void of content here, but there's not much to inspire within that content (hi Quin).

NO TIME FOR THIS IVE GOT A SELF IMPOSED DEADLINE TO MEET AND I'M BEHIND SCHEDULE

DDL's response to my grievances is a moving one. The specificity of the parallel drawn here, based on what happened in Turf Wars, when I was similar to a replacement (joining the game at Day 5), and led an erroneous lynch on him inspires (hi Quin) me to reconsider. It's not especially important that I was wrong then, but it's important that DDL remembered this incident and recollected it with such earnestness here. I believe him when he says he wants to stop me from doing that to him again, and I also grant that my meta perception of him (a civilian who thrives on pressure) could be out of date. I don't think the two of us have really played many games together since that first meeting in Economics. I don't endorse his lynch.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:46 pm Well you can expect more of me not being here.

I’m stepping away for the night.

Do what you wish, I don’t care

You're not leading the tally presently; there's no need to take your ball and go home. I'm not talking to you here just to irritate you.

I did an ISO on Sloonei and I guess..... Idk I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch today but Jack still bugs me for a lot of reasons so I'm putting my vote there

[mention]Mesk514[/mention]

I'm staring at Sloonei's ISO, and the worst I can say is that I am not experiencing the transparent civilian brotherhood that he and I often enjoy (most recently as Jerry and Steinbrenner). That's a high standard to ask anyone to meet though, and I am not especially alarmed by this content -- and there's plenty of it. I don't think his treatment of Elohcin was unreasonable, and I'll talk about that shortly.

What are the moments in his post history driving his present wagon?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:48 pm I've moved to Sloonei. He's not ticking the boxes that I feel should be ticked. This is the time where Sloonei should be spamming the hell out of this thread to both prove himself and set-up legacy reads, but I get a very lackluster feel from these recent posts.

That's fair. With two hours remaining and a tally lead I would expect more fire. What's up with dat Sloonbeard?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:06 am I'm staring at Sloonei's ISO, and the worst I can say is that I am not experiencing the transparent civilian brotherhood that he and I often enjoy (most recently as Jerry and Steinbrenner). That's a high standard to ask anyone to meet though, and I am not especially alarmed by this content -- and there's plenty of it. I don't think his treatment of Elohcin was unreasonable, and I'll talk about that shortly.

What are the moments in his post history driving his present wagon?

I could forgive his treatment of Eloh in isolation.

His treatment of me, then nutella, and THEN Eloh? This dirtbag is looking for easy lynches. He isn't being critical of them. I believe he is using his "Oh I just move my vote around" method as a facilitator of guiding bad lynches.

Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention], you need to talk more about what's going on there.

Eloh's not here man.

Voting sprityo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 am Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

@Elohcin, you need to talk more about what's going on there.

So then if he was right on all that why did he drop the vote when Epi said the read/case was bad? What made him swap his vote?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

Is this to imply that you were not willing to vote for Elohcin immediately after the initial post in that progression?

I was swayed off the main point of my case on eloh ad cooled off on her in general, so I wanted to focus my attention on another suspect. I was never convinced that Elohcin should be read as town. She was just knocked down from my "top suspect" pedestal.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 am Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

@Elohcin, you need to talk more about what's going on there.

So then if he was right on all that why did he drop the vote when Epi said the read/case was bad? What made him swap his vote?

This all happened after my vote switch,I think.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 am Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

Elohcin, you need to talk more about what's going on there.

She said I'm contributing mostly nonsense, but on Sloonei (and also me) she put it down to gut.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:30 am So then if he was right on all that why did he drop the vote when Epi said the read/case was bad? What made him swap his vote?

Let's ask Sloonei:


It appears the influence Epi had over his vote switch relates to content separate from Elohcin's rainbow list -- instead it relates to the meta discussion pertaining to her behavior when she has BTSC. This strikes me as consistent with the notion that she could still warrant a vote given the other reasons Sloonei's stated suspicion exists.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:34 am I was swayed off the main point of my case on eloh ad cooled off on her in general, so I wanted to focus my attention on another suspect. I was never convinced that Elohcin should be read as town. She was just knocked down from my "top suspect" pedestal.

What do you think of sprityo in the immediate present?