Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Benson]

I wrote could in place of good. LMAO.

OK, maybe I'm misinterpreting part of how the Kaz wagon developed because of my own bias. Nonetheless, I think we can assume by the lack of ANY resistance on Kaz's part that the wolves were aware that elim was inevitable within the first round or second round.

I see Colin is probably going to be anti-Hally today along with MR. Delicious.

[nutella]

I had no suspicion on KZA at all before the beetlejuice. I tend to believe that slanking is NAI.

Suspicion isn't really the issue. Slanking might be NAI, but it makes a REALLY comfortable chop. You had your commitment to the Hally push to discharge and I applaud you for sticking to it...but I think a lot of people following you were likely to get uncomfortable as Hally kept defending. And they were going to look for an exit and find Kza. with or without "not just a read, but a Nanook lock." Everybody that was uncomfortable where they were, or had someone saying "but what if you are wrong?" at them was gonna wind up there. It boggles my mind that so many people apparently were not aware of that.

But it could have equally as easily been colin or bob.

[iaafr]

ezworld still colin bob radishes probs?

could rly be the world

imagine signing a light game and not expecting to get dunked on by a bunch of tryhards

[Hally]

ezworld still colin bob radishes probs?

could rly be the world

imagine signing a light game and not expecting to get dunked on by a bunch of tryhards

yea, i wanna flip all of colin, bob and radishes

radishes first though

[Alison]

if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole

Can you explain why the counterwagon clears you?

(I know I said I'd go to bed but I never do when I say that, lol)

[Timsup2nothin]

I had no suspicion on KZA at all before the beetlejuice. I tend to believe that slanking is NAI.

Suspicion isn't really the issue. Slanking might be NAI, but it makes a REALLY comfortable chop. You had your commitment to the Hally push to discharge and I applaud you for sticking to it...but I think a lot of people following you were likely to get uncomfortable as Hally kept defending. And they were going to look for an exit and find Kza. with or without "not just a read, but a Nanook lock." Everybody that was uncomfortable where they were, or had someone saying "but what if you are wrong?" at them was gonna wind up there. It boggles my mind that so many people apparently were not aware of that.

But it could have equally as easily been colin or bob.

Debatable, but maybe. Observation of uncomfortable villagers looking for an easy appeasement vote at EoD says that when they give up and accept that they are just gonna chop a LHF and hope for a better day they will go to the LOWEST. Kza had not voted, Colin and Bob had. Kza had not even claimed he was trying to catch up, keep up, or even read the thread. I'd have bet heavily if I was in spec chat instead of sitting silently and wishing for a soapbox to stand on.

[Benson]

I had no suspicion on KZA at all before the beetlejuice. I tend to believe that slanking is NAI.

Suspicion isn't really the issue. Slanking might be NAI, but it makes a REALLY comfortable chop. You had your commitment to the Hally push to discharge and I applaud you for sticking to it...but I think a lot of people following you were likely to get uncomfortable as Hally kept defending. And they were going to look for an exit and find Kza. with or without "not just a read, but a Nanook lock." Everybody that was uncomfortable where they were, or had someone saying "but what if you are wrong?" at them was gonna wind up there. It boggles my mind that so many people apparently were not aware of that.

But it could have equally as easily been colin or bob.

Kaz had way more scum equity because he was literally viewing the thread frequently but not posting or responding to anything for all of D1. Those other lowposters had at least posted on D1 and had things we could look at.

Hally, I don't think being the CW necessarily means you're town. It probably helps but that could have still occurred in a w/w scenario, where the villagers just have the wolves pinned.

[Hally]

if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole

Can you explain why the counterwagon clears you?

(I know I said I'd go to bed but I never do when I say that, lol)

no, i can’t say why that or anything else clears me other than that having w/w wagons D1 usually doesn’t happen. i’m not a VCA type of player but maybe someone who is can explain why the wagons make it unlikely i’m teamed with kza

(also radishes is probably gonna flip wolf and then i’ll actually be cleared )

[Alison]

if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole

Can you explain why the counterwagon clears you?

(I know I said I'd go to bed but I never do when I say that, lol)

no, i can’t say why that or anything else clears me other than that having w/w wagons D1 usually doesn’t happen. i’m not a VCA type of player but maybe someone who is can explain why the wagons make it unlikely i’m teamed with kza

(also radishes is probably gonna flip wolf and then i’ll actually be cleared )

yes, I agree you'll be cleared if radishes flips wolf.

(also the reason I ask is because Space Invaders had W/W wagons D1, with like obvious wolf being the actual execute and the counterwagon being also wolf, so I'm surprised you'd think this clears you.)

[Benson]

Flip radish tonight, preferably.

[iaafr]

imagine having an actual pr

[Timsup2nothin]

if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole

Can you explain why the counterwagon clears you?

(I know I said I'd go to bed but I never do when I say that, lol)

no, i can’t say why that or anything else clears me other than that having w/w wagons D1 usually doesn’t happen. i’m not a VCA type of player but maybe someone who is can explain why the wagons make it unlikely i’m teamed with kza

(also radishes is probably gonna flip wolf and then i’ll actually be cleared )

Just a recommendation...look for something else. I put Radishes flipping red at fifty fifty, at best. If we do flip him and it goes wrong (and you are really the green that you claim) I don't want it to chain into a second bad chop on you.

Once things have quieted down I will look at the vote movements and let you know what I think, even though so few people seem to ever agree with what I think.

[iaafr]

i dont think consensus goes towards hally even on a hypothetical radishes green flip

think it still goes towards colin/bob

[Hally]

i actually don’t get this

nanook/kza should not be the first world anyone jumps to after seeing kza flip and especially not before

we aren’t yeeting nanook and especially not tomorrow

radishes probably had a wolfy reaction because he’s a wolf. he reacted the way he did because he had tmi of kza’s alignment so to him the world where nanook was bussing seemed to make sense even whereas from an uninformed pov there’s no reason to have assumed that

lets go through the likely worlds before we get lost in the weeds

thinking nanook bussed kza for no reason is getting lost in the weeds

thinking that i must still be a wolf and the wagons were w/w is getting lost in the weeds

the game doesn’t have to be complicated. radishes is wolfy because he’s a wolf. nanook killed kza because nanook is not a wolf

this is what we should be going with until further notice

[Timsup2nothin]

imagine having an actual pr

If I had one I would give it to you Rabbit...as you recall my one experience of having a PR did not go swimmingly.

[Hally]

if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole

Can you explain why the counterwagon clears you?

(I know I said I'd go to bed but I never do when I say that, lol)

no, i can’t say why that or anything else clears me other than that having w/w wagons D1 usually doesn’t happen. i’m not a VCA type of player but maybe someone who is can explain why the wagons make it unlikely i’m teamed with kza

(also radishes is probably gonna flip wolf and then i’ll actually be cleared )

yes, I agree you'll be cleared if radishes flips wolf.

(also the reason I ask is because Space Invaders had W/W wagons D1, with like obvious wolf being the actual execute and the counterwagon being also wolf, so I'm surprised you'd think this clears you.)

space invaders was an extremely fringe case where town crushed it D1 and every single member of the scum team was either bussing, getting bussed or both

it was also a totally different setup that encouraged that kind of play but it’s far from the norm

[ColinIsCool]

I’ll be as honest as possible with y’all, I am having a hard time getting comfortable this game. It reminds me of my junior year Critical Reading class, a class ostensibly on literary theory and criticism. I read all the readings every week, I kept up on coursework, I did what was asked of me ... but I barely understood a fuckin’ word of it. What does Derrida mean by the signifier and the sign? Don’t fucking know!

I think my problem in Critical Reading was that the foundation of it was the debate over formalism vs. structuralism (I think?) and I never managed to quite learn what those were. Subsequently I didn’t fully understand anything that came afterwards, because how could I? You can’t really read Baudrillard if you don’t know the alphabet. (I actually did retain some Baudrillard.)

Point is, maybe it’s the fact that I don’t know most of these players, or the fact that all the posts in this game are 7 paragraphs long, but I couldn’t understand any of the D0 fighting (which for all you Baud-heads out there, felt like a simulacrum of Mafia rather than Mafia, but I digress) nor most of the D1 that follows. The KZA flip should prove useful and I do have some reads but if you ask me something be prepared to be disappointed because in a game that purports to limit post counts ... you guys talk an awful lot.

And yeah put me in the POE, whatever, used to it, I still think Hally needs to be cleared independent of KZA’s flip either way

[ColinIsCool]

My thoughts are these:

To reiterate, still think Hally is bad, there are scum and town on both wagons.

KZA was almost certainly bussed but not by NANOOK (but possibly to save Hally instead)

Everything Alison says I find agreeable.

I’m down with resolving Radishes one way or another.

iaafr good too.

I will yeet literally anybody else, probably.

[iaafr]

oh yea i forgot i locktowned colin earlier

it was for the "iaafr is the exact same as in inception, let me check what he was in that game" comment (paraphrased from memory)

felt like a nice/unintuitive touch that he didnt actually remember my alignment lmao

i also like these 2 recent posts

[ColinIsCool]

I’ll be as honest as possible with y’all, I am having a hard time getting comfortable this game. It reminds me of my junior year Critical Reading class, a class ostensibly on literary theory and criticism. I read all the readings every week, I kept up on coursework, I did what was asked of me ... but I barely understood a fuckin’ word of it. What does Derrida mean by the signifier and the sign? Don’t fucking know!

I think my problem in Critical Reading was that the foundation of it was the debate over formalism vs. structuralism (I think?) and I never managed to quite learn what those were. Subsequently I didn’t fully understand anything that came afterwards, because how could I? You can’t really read Baudrillard if you don’t know the alphabet. (I actually did retain some Baudrillard.)

Point is, maybe it’s the fact that I don’t know most of these players, or the fact that all the posts in this game are 7 paragraphs long, but I couldn’t understand any of the D0 fighting (which for all you Baud-heads out there, felt like a simulacrum of Mafia rather than Mafia, but I digress) nor most of the D1 that follows. The KZA flip should prove useful and I do have some reads but if you ask me something be prepared to be disappointed because in a game that purports to limit post counts ... you guys talk an awful lot.

And yeah put me in the POE, whatever, used to it, I still think Hally needs to be cleared independent of KZA’s flip either way

I would like to amend this post by saying that I graduated with a 4.0 GPA in my English major coursework and a 3.98 GPA overall so I was not dumb in school. My vanity and ego will not allow me to allow people on the internet to think I am dumb in the rare few situations I am not. Thank you for reading.

[Timsup2nothin]

Got nothin' against Colin and I think he has good points here...may or may not be right, but nothing ridiculously wrong.

And that's half my night posts so I will be reading now. Talk to y'all later.

[iaafr]

i mean town radishes pov is like

nutella/hally/nanook all planning to get kza cred this way could be a thing tho

so i should fairly consider that

[iaafr]

Oh but yuck, Hally's vote on KZA.

this is such a scummy post lmao

[iaafr]

i feel like all of my posts this night are objectively ic!iaafr status btw but im gonna keep living cuz im so pocketable

[iaafr]

thinking more on it these colin posts shouldnt be hardclearing but meh no point overthinking it now

21/30

[Benson]

Final thought for the night:

It is odd for Kaz to go out that way if him and MR are wolfing together. They're pals from our home community and I would assume that MR may be the one that could get Kaz back into the game. Or at least, Kaz and him would coordinate this to give MR a better position afterwards. The way this all unfolded seems bad for MR, but maybe it just is as simple as it looks.

Also, maybe Kaz just wasn't posting anywhere for reasons that I do not know and shouldn't speculate on.

At the same time, having Kaz basically concede does align to MR's overly frustrated attitude he was radiating. If they are w/w he was clearly frustrated by this and tried to do his part to push miselims, even if it put him in a compromising spot.

I'm very sorry, my dear MR, if I'm incorrectly tunneling you.

[iaafr]

i mean town radishes pov is like

nutella/hally/nanook all planning to get kza cred this way could be a thing tho

so i should fairly consider that

still not too hard to live in a world something like this tbh

this might end up being tutuu's perspective still?

[WerewolfHunter]

I can imagine developing a tinfoil that nanook did this to go deep if he is still alive a few days down the line but like.... idk how you can prioritize him over, like, radish at this point

10

Thanks for this take

[WerewolfHunter]

I think I'm just voting radishes tomorrow and afking tbh

11

I wouldn't be opposed to voting there

[WerewolfHunter]

kza only had 2 votes before nanook voted: benson and me

it's possible that this was a planned bus... but in no way was kza anywhere near outed or a consensus dunk before nanook broke the vote open

given that i'm inclined to agree that radishes's reaction was bad and tim's perspective here is off (not necessarily in a wolfy way, just. not correct.)

and i'm not voting nanook tomorrow without good reason to do so beyond "what if he bussed kza"

2/30

13

I really like this post and this Perspective

[WerewolfHunter]

14
I don't really see Hally being evil here. I think my most likely vote for tomorrow will be for Master Radishes.

Nanook has gone somewhat farther up in my reads now

[Amy]

KZA (9): Nanook, Amy, nutella, WWH, Tim, proto, LC, Benson, Hally
Hally (4): Alison, Colin, tutuu, MR
Nanook (1): bob
nutella (1): Dizzy
iaafr (1): iaafr
Benson (1?): KZA? it's not in the poll anymore but idk if that's because he's dead or what

dunno how long vote polls last so i want this on the record

anyways

0% chance that kza wagon is clean if we assume there's 4 wolves total - the only real question is "how hard was kza bussed"

i think benson is unlikely to be w/w with kza because of how early he vocalized suspicions, and because i think his posting towards the slot at eod just. didn't read as partnery. so i'm not concerned there

nanook initiating a planned bus is a tinfoil world that i find unlikely. i think nanook's just town and will not be reevaluating this until later in the game

and i know i'm town, obviously

so that leaves nutella, WWH, Tim, proto, LC, and to a lesser extent Hally (self pres is NAI but i can at least look at the progression) to examine for bussing

i'm also gonna go ahead and say that iaafr's eod flipflopping is a decent look? i think he legitimately leveled himself out of thinking kza was going to flip scum, and i think his push on hally doesn't read as a wolf trying to find a way to save a partner

so Nanook, Benson, and iaafr can be my starting towncore and we'll work from there

3/30

[iaafr]

suddenly want to kill nanook

[protocultures]

1/30

So mainly just voted KZA because I didnt want Hally to die.

if that helps solve my alignment, then cool. If not, then look at my posts rather than the vote.

the KZA vote seems like a poison chalice strategy from mafia. I suspect that most of the the mafia are OUTSIDE the vote on KZA and they will push a world where mafia were bussing for credit to kill a lot of town.

KZA self voting kind of gives it away imo.

[Amy]

nutella was a very very early sheeping of nanook's kza vote; i kinda buy it as coming from town, i think even in the world where nanook's executing a planned bus they probably space the votes out a bit more, and i doubt nutella decides to bus so easily as w/v with nanook either

LC is kind of in the same boat, i suppose. gut tells me i should be more worried about this one but i have no actual concrete evidence for it

proto and tim exist in an interesting spot, because proto voted kza only reluctantly while expressing concerns about the possibility of it flipping v all the while, and tim's vote largely followed directly from proto's. obviously this would look bad in a TMI-y way if kza flipped v... but he didn't. so i maybe kinda buy proto's waffliness as genuine? it's a weak read, because there's also a reading of "he's scum that wanted a way off the wagon" that exists, but i kinda wanna give him the townpoints.

tim, on the other hand, i will not clear for his vote. he sheeped proto, which is a... weird person whose vote you're gonna sheep to hop on a wagon, given the lack of conviction in it. he stated a fairly high confidence in a kza wolfflip after having kza low in a readslist earlier, despite having not talked at all about kza outside of that (and granted, quite a few people didn't, but i'm concerned about the persistent lowness on lists combined with the specifically waffly vote he chose to sheep). tim is also absolutely self-aware enough to make a big long post about how you should be careful about bussers on the wagon, while BEING a busser on the wagon. nothing incriminating here, but mild pings, i think. warrants further looking.

i took a quick glance at scirrus to see if he said anything about kza. he did not.

characterizing hally's vote as self-pres was... perhaps not correct. their original vote came after nanook pointed out kza's pop-in right after nanook mentioned him; they then sheeped said post with a "oh wow that does look kinda bad" and a vote, which happened to be the first kza-related comment hally made outside a nullread on a readslist and a "wow i forgot kza was in the game". they then jump immediately into attacking radishes for his reaction to the whole shebang and don't really revisit anything about kza - though granted, it's kind of hard to, given the lack of content.

WWH voted kza for literally no reason - wagon consolidation? saving hally? idfk - and i need to figure out if that's twtbaw or not. kinda lean not? but dunno for sure

tl;dr this makes me feel better about nutella, LC, proto; were i looking for a busser or two, i'd look first at tim, hally, WWH

4/30

[Amy]

suddenly want to kill nanook

walk me through it

5/30

[tutuu]

didnt read lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Kinda townreading nutella for her sheep of me tbh

Maybe I’m just pocketed idk but it felt like a townie “Huh, maybe you’re on to something” to me

[Amy]

1/30

So mainly just voted KZA because I didnt want Hally to die.

if that helps solve my alignment, then cool. If not, then look at my posts rather than the vote.

the KZA vote seems like a poison chalice strategy from mafia. I suspect that most of the the mafia are OUTSIDE the vote on KZA and they will push a world where mafia were bussing for credit to kill a lot of town.

KZA self voting kind of gives it away imo.

yeah ok you're just a villager

also, this is an interesting thought; i think it's... possible? but it's not something i'd necessarily pursue without some strong independent wolfreads outside the kza wagon

not that i'm saying i wouldn't vote outside the kza wagon, i'm saying that i'm probably going to always be assuming there's a busser or two on there unless it becomes incredibly likely that the wolves are elsewhere

caveat to my above post btw: i thought about it more and i don't think nutella brazenly sheeping nanook is necessarily out of w/w range. in general i'd probably say that it becomes entirely possible that one of nutella/LC is wolfing with nanook in that world; probably not both, just because THAT becomes a bit much

6/30

[Amy]

==probably villagers==
iaafr
benson
proto
tutuu

==tinfoil world==
nanook
nutella

==weaker villagers==
dizzy
LC

==back and forth==
hally
tim

==wolfleans==
master radishes
WWH

omitted due to a lack of due diligence on their slots: alison, colin, bob

tiers are sorted

7/30

[Amy]

didnt read lol

this is unrelated but i'm pretty sure i saw the source art from your pfp on tumblr like 20 minutes ago

8/30

[tutuu]

didnt read lol

this is unrelated but i'm pretty sure i saw the source art from your pfp on tumblr like 20 minutes ago

8/30

oh hi

it from a f2p steam game called helltaker

if u watch anime and have no friends (like me) u'll have fun playin it

[tutuu]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

does anyone remember what were the voting composition at this point?

[Hally]

My thoughts are these:

To reiterate, still think Hally is bad, there are scum and town on both wagons.

KZA was almost certainly bussed but not by NANOOK (but possibly to save Hally instead)

Everything Alison says I find agreeable.

I’m down with resolving Radishes one way or another.

iaafr good too.

I will yeet literally anybody else, probably.

why am i still bad? you haven’t commented on a single post i’ve made. have you read them?

oh yea i forgot i locktowned colin earlier

it was for the "iaafr is the exact same as in inception, let me check what he was in that game" comment (paraphrased from memory)

felt like a nice/unintuitive touch that he didnt actually remember my alignment lmao

i also like these 2 recent posts

i don’t get why that’s clearing

Oh but yuck, Hally's vote on KZA.

this is such a scummy post lmao

yea, already called this out. pretty sure radishes is just wolfing lol

Final thought for the night:

It is odd for Kaz to go out that way if him and MR are wolfing together. They're pals from our home community and I would assume that MR may be the one that could get Kaz back into the game. Or at least, Kaz and him would coordinate this to give MR a better position afterwards. The way this all unfolded seems bad for MR, but maybe it just is as simple as it looks.

Also, maybe Kaz just wasn't posting anywhere for reasons that I do not know and shouldn't speculate on.

At the same time, having Kaz basically concede does align to MR's overly frustrated attitude he was radiating. If they are w/w he was clearly frustrated by this and tried to do his part to push miselims, even if it put him in a compromising spot.

I'm very sorry, my dear MR, if I'm incorrectly tunneling you.

i do think radishes seemed more frustrated after the kza wagon grew and like more desperate to get me yeeted but it also could have been omgus for my push on him for his reaction to the kza vote. but i wasnt even voting him anymore and if kza didn’t flip wolf obviously the associative would’ve been proven untrue. so it can’t really be omgus unless radishes knew kza would flip wolf and that my push was a legitimate one. idk, i just hated everything radishes was doing right after nanook got that wagon going

KZA (9): Nanook, Amy, nutella, WWH, Tim, proto, LC, Benson, Hally
Hally (4): Alison, Colin, tutuu, MR
Nanook (1): bob
nutella (1): Dizzy
iaafr (1): iaafr
Benson (1?): KZA? it's not in the poll anymore but idk if that's because he's dead or what

dunno how long vote polls last so i want this on the record

anyways

0% chance that kza wagon is clean if we assume there's 4 wolves total - the only real question is "how hard was kza bussed"

i think benson is unlikely to be w/w with kza because of how early he vocalized suspicions, and because i think his posting towards the slot at eod just. didn't read as partnery. so i'm not concerned there

nanook initiating a planned bus is a tinfoil world that i find unlikely. i think nanook's just town and will not be reevaluating this until later in the game

and i know i'm town, obviously

so that leaves nutella, WWH, Tim, proto, LC, and to a lesser extent Hally (self pres is NAI but i can at least look at the progression) to examine for bussing

i'm also gonna go ahead and say that iaafr's eod flipflopping is a decent look? i think he legitimately leveled himself out of thinking kza was going to flip scum, and i think his push on hally doesn't read as a wolf trying to find a way to save a partner

so Nanook, Benson, and iaafr can be my starting towncore and we'll work from there

3/30

i agree with these takes

nutella was a very very early sheeping of nanook's kza vote; i kinda buy it as coming from town, i think even in the world where nanook's executing a planned bus they probably space the votes out a bit more, and i doubt nutella decides to bus so easily as w/v with nanook either

LC is kind of in the same boat, i suppose. gut tells me i should be more worried about this one but i have no actual concrete evidence for it

proto and tim exist in an interesting spot, because proto voted kza only reluctantly while expressing concerns about the possibility of it flipping v all the while, and tim's vote largely followed directly from proto's. obviously this would look bad in a TMI-y way if kza flipped v... but he didn't. so i maybe kinda buy proto's waffliness as genuine? it's a weak read, because there's also a reading of "he's scum that wanted a way off the wagon" that exists, but i kinda wanna give him the townpoints.

tim, on the other hand, i will not clear for his vote. he sheeped proto, which is a... weird person whose vote you're gonna sheep to hop on a wagon, given the lack of conviction in it. he stated a fairly high confidence in a kza wolfflip after having kza low in a readslist earlier, despite having not talked at all about kza outside of that (and granted, quite a few people didn't, but i'm concerned about the persistent lowness on lists combined with the specifically waffly vote he chose to sheep). tim is also absolutely self-aware enough to make a big long post about how you should be careful about bussers on the wagon, while BEING a busser on the wagon. nothing incriminating here, but mild pings, i think. warrants further looking.

i took a quick glance at scirrus to see if he said anything about kza. he did not.

characterizing hally's vote as self-pres was... perhaps not correct. their original vote came after nanook pointed out kza's pop-in right after nanook mentioned him; they then sheeped said post with a "oh wow that does look kinda bad" and a vote, which happened to be the first kza-related comment hally made outside a nullread on a readslist and a "wow i forgot kza was in the game". they then jump immediately into attacking radishes for his reaction to the whole shebang and don't really revisit anything about kza - though granted, it's kind of hard to, given the lack of content.

WWH voted kza for literally no reason - wagon consolidation? saving hally? idfk - and i need to figure out if that's twtbaw or not. kinda lean not? but dunno for sure

tl;dr this makes me feel better about nutella, LC, proto; were i looking for a busser or two, i'd look first at tim, hally, WWH

4/30

i think nut is just town especially if we’re living in w!radishes world

i need to check how/why/when lc voted kza. i think it was right as i did? idk if i’d rule that out as a bus

i think proto is likely town too

i agree tim could be wolfing maybe. i dislike him pushing nanook tbh. i don’t wanna go there before radishes and maybe colin and bob too though

i assume wwh voted for kza for the same reason proto did (i.e. reads me town and wanted to save me)

my vote wasn’t a self pres vote. i actually was just sheeping nanook because it didn’t seem like people wanted to go radishes D1 and i wanted to see what would happen if i voted elsewhere. i honestly has no read on kza when i voted. i don’t know him or his meta and didn’t pay attention to his posts at all. i did legit forget he was playing. so yea, idk i just voted him. and then radishes who i was actually wolf reading had such a bad reaction to the push on kza that it actually made me more confident kza was a wolf too even though i still had no read on him outside of just sponging other people who were saying his inactivity was wolfy for him. i ended up keeping my vote there for self pres even though i did get skittish at the size of the wagon. but yea the original vote had nothing to do with that

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[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] i had KZA on my scumreads cuz u and benson claimed meta scumread on him and like i said mafia is a team game so i trusted u

why did u took off from KZA wagon after it started gettin heat?

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[mention]Benson[/mention] ill be copying ur read on MR tommorrow. pls dont sheep town consensus since u have an advantage over us at reading MR. if u think for any reason MR is town, voice it, and i will support u. (if not we obv still kill him)

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tim, if u are town, u were pushing 2 towns (proto and nanook) and after we get a maf flip u STILL push the town (nanook)

bro??????

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(this is not reverse mafia?)

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colonialbob is still mafia

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alison if ur tunneling town hally i swear to god

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wait is this flipless why dont i remember the KZA role abilities?