Re: Modern Family Hydra Mafia [Day 1]
Posted: Wed May 05, 2021 2:16 pm
-Toopy
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
Are they though? They might just be pure Mafia.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 12:55 pmouted as lost wolf tbhTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 12:38 pm Speaking of bad reads, I almost spit out my coffee when I saw "it was towny how Trans Rights nade that read on how the threadstate doesn't support T&T being a wolf." YES!!! That was in fact a very good threadstate read, because it's pretty obvious I have no team here...I'm stuck with town who are pretty universally playing by lame feelie reads and clueless instead of having a pack...but notice how they made this good read they are getting towncred for and NEVER MOVED THEIR VOTE. I cannot believe I have to point this out. Oh wait, I ALREADY HAVE pointed it out, repeatedly.
i agree but ive also seen the dude randomize his reads in-thread so i have zero expectations for his v gametrans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 1:31 pm okay if there is one thing that's annoying me about toopy & binoo it's all the arbitrary percentages. like even the decimals. bruh moment
okay i'm trying to look for "questions i didn't answer in two and through's iso" and i got to this point where he accused mist of not answering a questionTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:21 pmDo you have any interest in actually solving this slot, or are you just on "flip it and see"?trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:00 pmregardless, i think the conclusion also has problems insofar as you haven't actually asked yourself why if i was a wolf i would be pre-flipping. the most obvious answer would be tmi, right? but you clearly don't seem to think that's the case based on you thinking my posts are agenda-y. so i'm just confused on where you stand on this as a whole.Spoiler: show
Because I already gave a common wolf agenda for making pre-flip reads, and you apparently didn't read that post.
It seems like you have no interest in actually "defending" your slot, since you are just dismissing or not even reading questions/observations about what you are doing.
It also seems like you aren't really interested in evaluating me, just in making sure no one listens to me.
To repeat...wolves hate to make reads day one that will commit them. If someone becomes a consensus borderline POE and the wolf laid down a town read day one that is hard for them to get out of it makes it awkward to push for the mischop. If it comes down to really needing to expand a tightening POE it is even worse. So, good wolf makes a bunch of preflip reads instead. They look "helpful" and "solvey"...but when the root of their world flips one simple "oh I was wrong there" gives them a free range reset by erasing all those awkward day one reads.
Now, I'm kind of interested in the Mana read, because you are now making it very clear that is a read you are willing to commit to regardless of my alignment. If you could expand on how that is a wolfy vote a little more that would be...well...helpful.
you made a wolfy post and i called out why it was wolfy. keep deflecting though.TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pmwe have a language barriertrans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:04 pm there's a difference between what you wrote and "i think nutella's reads are bad but she's probably a villager. if i'm wrong, it's because of alison potentially strategizing in wolf chat"
the latter is significantly more useful and villagery than the former.
ya hate to see it
of course it's to be expected when you are speaking in wolf
meanwhile...you are going with "fluff posted during RVS" as the foundation of your case? seriously?
I respect the refusal to use meta, but seriously, ask around, I fluffpost in RVS.
Now HERE is a newsflash: I am not the only one.
As to the contention that I just kept on fluff posting...I was maybe the only one that DIDN'T. I pointed out an actual fact. Throwing that grenade into the murky water of feelie reads and bullshit is the only thing that has produced any meaningful discussions still. I have zero regrets about throwing that grenade.
The question you dodged and continue to dodge is why you are ignoring the clear potential that I did what I did for exactly the reasons I said I did it...which are towny reasons. You have very clearly just locked me in as your mischop of the day. Most of your other reads are easy to get off of when I flip town, maintaining you a clear fresh start for day two. The only read I had seen to that point that didn't fit that was the read on Mana so I tried to get you to talk about that and you luffed that off.trans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:20 pmokay i'm trying to look for "questions i didn't answer in two and through's iso" and i got to this point where he accused mist of not answering a questionTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:21 pmDo you have any interest in actually solving this slot, or are you just on "flip it and see"?trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:00 pmregardless, i think the conclusion also has problems insofar as you haven't actually asked yourself why if i was a wolf i would be pre-flipping. the most obvious answer would be tmi, right? but you clearly don't seem to think that's the case based on you thinking my posts are agenda-y. so i'm just confused on where you stand on this as a whole.Spoiler: show
Because I already gave a common wolf agenda for making pre-flip reads, and you apparently didn't read that post.
It seems like you have no interest in actually "defending" your slot, since you are just dismissing or not even reading questions/observations about what you are doing.
It also seems like you aren't really interested in evaluating me, just in making sure no one listens to me.
To repeat...wolves hate to make reads day one that will commit them. If someone becomes a consensus borderline POE and the wolf laid down a town read day one that is hard for them to get out of it makes it awkward to push for the mischop. If it comes down to really needing to expand a tightening POE it is even worse. So, good wolf makes a bunch of preflip reads instead. They look "helpful" and "solvey"...but when the root of their world flips one simple "oh I was wrong there" gives them a free range reset by erasing all those awkward day one reads.
Now, I'm kind of interested in the Mana read, because you are now making it very clear that is a read you are willing to commit to regardless of my alignment. If you could expand on how that is a wolfy vote a little more that would be...well...helpful.
i rechecked the iso and mist didn't really dodge any questions two and through was asking xem early on
as far as i know this entire post is patently untrue because neither of my game nor mist's game fits this criteria
Stop being LAMIST!TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:26 pmThe question you dodged and continue to dodge is why you are ignoring the clear potential that I did what I did for exactly the reasons I said I did it...which are towny reasons. You have very clearly just locked me in as your mischop of the day. Most of your other reads are easy to get off of when I flip town, maintaining you a clear fresh start for day two. The only read I had seen to that point that didn't fit that was the read on Mana so I tried to get you to talk about that and you luffed that off.trans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:20 pmokay i'm trying to look for "questions i didn't answer in two and through's iso" and i got to this point where he accused mist of not answering a questionTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:21 pmDo you have any interest in actually solving this slot, or are you just on "flip it and see"?trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:00 pmregardless, i think the conclusion also has problems insofar as you haven't actually asked yourself why if i was a wolf i would be pre-flipping. the most obvious answer would be tmi, right? but you clearly don't seem to think that's the case based on you thinking my posts are agenda-y. so i'm just confused on where you stand on this as a whole.Spoiler: show
Because I already gave a common wolf agenda for making pre-flip reads, and you apparently didn't read that post.
It seems like you have no interest in actually "defending" your slot, since you are just dismissing or not even reading questions/observations about what you are doing.
It also seems like you aren't really interested in evaluating me, just in making sure no one listens to me.
To repeat...wolves hate to make reads day one that will commit them. If someone becomes a consensus borderline POE and the wolf laid down a town read day one that is hard for them to get out of it makes it awkward to push for the mischop. If it comes down to really needing to expand a tightening POE it is even worse. So, good wolf makes a bunch of preflip reads instead. They look "helpful" and "solvey"...but when the root of their world flips one simple "oh I was wrong there" gives them a free range reset by erasing all those awkward day one reads.
Now, I'm kind of interested in the Mana read, because you are now making it very clear that is a read you are willing to commit to regardless of my alignment. If you could expand on how that is a wolfy vote a little more that would be...well...helpful.
i rechecked the iso and mist didn't really dodge any questions two and through was asking xem early on
as far as i know this entire post is patently untrue because neither of my game nor mist's game fits this criteria
Now who is "misrepresenting"?
Bullshit. I posted an observation of a fact and you faked a snit about it. It wasn't "a wolfy post," it was a statement of fact. You wanted to spin it as shade, and I told you it wasn't shade. I and numerous other people told you there could be town reasons for pointing out that fact. The observable truth is that almost all reads that are more than "gosh feelies" in this game somehow revolve around that observation of a fact, so guess what, it worked and the town reasons that I made that post are proving out.trans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:25 pmyou made a wolfy post and i called out why it was wolfy. keep deflecting though.TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pmwe have a language barriertrans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:04 pm there's a difference between what you wrote and "i think nutella's reads are bad but she's probably a villager. if i'm wrong, it's because of alison potentially strategizing in wolf chat"
the latter is significantly more useful and villagery than the former.
ya hate to see it
of course it's to be expected when you are speaking in wolf
meanwhile...you are going with "fluff posted during RVS" as the foundation of your case? seriously?
I respect the refusal to use meta, but seriously, ask around, I fluffpost in RVS.
Now HERE is a newsflash: I am not the only one.
As to the contention that I just kept on fluff posting...I was maybe the only one that DIDN'T. I pointed out an actual fact. Throwing that grenade into the murky water of feelie reads and bullshit is the only thing that has produced any meaningful discussions still. I have zero regrets about throwing that grenade.
fluffposting in rvs doesn't really matter. my problem is you continued to do so at a point where there was legitimately stuff to be investigated, and the one thing (the vote triangulation) your hydra did point out didn't go anywhere. it didn't have anything to do with the observation you made either. it was how you phrased the observation and did nothing with it. that is what sparked discussion, so trying to act as though what you did was actually progressing the game state is wrong, because the ones that did progress the game state were the ones that made the read based on how you made the read and not with the read itself.
^ this seems like a town thing to say. I can't imagine faking that type of thought.Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 9:49 amPersonally I think your town.Julinook wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 9:22 am Good morning all. I'm going to sort through what I'm thinking about people as of now. Still a lot of nulls but I hope to resolve some of them today. There is no order within the tiers.
Town Leans
Akemi Hazelnut - started leaning town on them yesterday and that hasn't changed. Probing, solvey.
Mana - they identified a wolf read on someone being considered towny by the thread. I like the fact they are not just going along with consensus even though I didn't fully understand their point about falcon knows open wolfing. Also Nook is leaning town.
TonyStarkPlayingItCool - Like their read on mana and their reaction to T&B's numbers. Not sure if I agree with their vote for BT.
trans rights - I liked their questioning of whether the game state supports a T&T wolf. Made me stop and think about my read, though I still end up sussing T&T.
Null
Falconknows - I was town reading this slot yesterday but I didn't see much if anything out of them yesterday which bothers me so I'm moving them to null. There are still a couple of posts I find villagery but there just isn't enough there for me to keep them as a town lean.
Bottom Text - I'm basically just confused about BT. I can't tell who is speaking when, and maybe that doesn't really matter. Sometimes they seem to be mad but maybe they are just kidding. There was one whole page - pg. 16 for me - where I had no idea of what they really thought. Voting Poop Explosions but I couldn't tell you why. I could use some help with the reasons why several are seeing them as wolf.
Toopy and Binoo - There were a couple of posts early on that made me feel like Toopy was a wolf but then Binoo came in with posts I found villagery. BT and I believe TR seem to be familiar with Gavial and are leaning village on them so I may need to sheep that read for today. I do not understand their numbers at all- it feels like they are pulling them out of thin air but since I don't do math I need someone else to tell me if the numbers are kosher. My scum lean is voting here so thats a plus for them. Don't see myself voting here today.
Honey & Vinegar - I have no experience reading Urist and I can't remember anything they've said.
Timsuptogettingserious - I just need to iso them and I feel like they will move from null.
Poop Explosions - Same as with above, I just need to iso.
The Walrus - no ratable behavior.
Leaning Scum
Two and Through - Still reading them as wolf.
Priorities for today:
Come to a decision about Bottom Text. Understand the reasons for the wolf reads as well as the town reads.
Iso Poop and Timsgettingserious and sort them.
Iso Honey & Vinegar and sort.
But if your scum I bet both your buddies are in your Town Leans and I’m completely wrong on my solve.
-Toopy
Can be. Also can be just a towny throwing a fact into the pond to see what people say about it. Hard to tell.
Toopy was caught using a text editor. They were probably running posts by one another. I want to continue scum reading them just to justify getting rid of them but they do seem town now. Binoo's posts are actually scummy thoJulinook wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:46 amH&V I am interested in your reads here. What leads you to believe these three are scum? Also, I noticed you think T&T is obvious town so I'm interested in hearing your thoughts there too.Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:52 am Maf team is trans rights, toopy & binoo, falconknows
Boom game won leaving thread now bye
maybeTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:46 pmCan be. Also can be just a towny throwing a fact into the pond to see what people say about it. Hard to tell.
can you elaborate on this take
trans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:46 pm for the record, mist thinks mana might be a villager and i'm not completely onboard but i don't really oppose it until further notice
walrus' posts are tonally okay but it's a null iso overall
[VOTE: tonystarkplaysitcool] aubergine
and in a shocking turn of events, let's do this.
i use text editors all the time regardless of alignment and have ran a few posts by my teammate (mostly for peak shitpost status, though)Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:49 pm Toopy was caught using a text editor. They were probably running posts by one another. I want to continue scum reading them just to justify getting rid of them but they do seem town now. Binoo's posts are actually scummy tho
Nah the slot is prob town
trans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:50 pmmaybeTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:46 pmCan be. Also can be just a towny throwing a fact into the pond to see what people say about it. Hard to tell.
that's why everyone gives their own opinion on it, right?
~mawile
whatever you say bossAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:53 pm I don't want Bottom Text eliminated today.
[VOTE: TwoAndThrough] aubergine
False dichotomy ayAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:53 pm I don't want Bottom Text eliminated today.
[VOTE: TwoAndThrough] aubergine
i see the essence of chloe has found its way to the slot in an unexpected turn of eventsAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:53 pm I don't want Bottom Text eliminated today.
[VOTE: TwoAndThrough] aubergine
No nutella moved our vote to BT and I didn't like it, so I moved it back to my top scumread.Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:54 pmFalse dichotomy ayAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:53 pm I don't want Bottom Text eliminated today.
[VOTE: TwoAndThrough] aubergine
eod is at 7pm not 4pmAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:55 pm I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.
One, four, okay, who's counting?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:55 pm I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.
Don't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:56 pmOne, four, okay, who's counting?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:55 pm I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.
damnit
its only natural her IQ temporarily dropped as she moved her vote off of usTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:56 pmOne, four, okay, who's counting?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:55 pm I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.
I was just laughing at the time zone thing.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:57 pmDon't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:56 pmOne, four, okay, who's counting?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:55 pm I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.
literally open wolfing at this pointTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:00 pm
As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?
i formally retract any non-scum read i have on youTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:00 pmI was just laughing at the time zone thing.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:57 pmDon't split hairs please. Poop Explosions went up to 3 earlier so there is clearly some interest in that wagon and you know that is what I meant.TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:56 pmOne, four, okay, who's counting?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:55 pm I don't know what the cases on Poop and BT are. I have legit reasons to scumread TAT. Those three seem like the only wagons with any momentum so since we are 1 hour from EOD I am probably going to votepark on TAT.
As to your vote, what happened to "you know you can't read me and I know I can't read you so wait until day three and if there are no pelts we just kill each other"? All of a sudden you want to claim a day one read on me? Has being in hydra chat with Nutella damaged you?
Wanting to maj and end the day early Syn? Does that REALLY seem like a good towny thing to be doing?
maj is 7 not 5 mr. mathemagicianTwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:03 pmWanting to maj and end the day early Syn? Does that REALLY seem like a good towny thing to be doing?