The Syndicate

Also arete had the same tinfoil I did with Seth and Vulgard

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:27 pm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:23 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm
- I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.
- if I'm wrong then I agree with whoever said that Gavial's treatment of Dya is exactly how he treats his partners.

Can you talk about what seths wolf meta even is? Because the impression I got was the opposite from yours. I want to know how you'd define it

If he's town his posts all make me want to hurt something + he usually deathtunnels villagers for sucky reasons

(think like your town meta but 100000 times more annoying and poorly reasoned)

if he's Mafia his posts ... don't do that? and generally feel like a limp noodle? and I guess he isn't doing so much of the 'sucky deathtunnels' but his posts definitely make me hate everything

your description of his meta makes it sound like this is his wolf game so i'm confused why you think it isn't

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:31 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:27 pm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:23 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm
- I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.
- if I'm wrong then I agree with whoever said that Gavial's treatment of Dya is exactly how he treats his partners.

Can you talk about what seths wolf meta even is? Because the impression I got was the opposite from yours. I want to know how you'd define it

If he's town his posts all make me want to hurt something + he usually deathtunnels villagers for sucky reasons

(think like your town meta but 100000 times more annoying and poorly reasoned)

if he's Mafia his posts ... don't do that? and generally feel like a limp noodle? and I guess he isn't doing so much of the 'sucky deathtunnels' but his posts definitely make me hate everything

your description of his meta makes it sound like this is his wolf game so i'm confused why you think it isn't

idk feels like he's tunneling me fmpov

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:28 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:24 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:10 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm - I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.

oh?

I don't know how to explain it properly without being rude

I hate all of his posts in the way that I hate his posts when he's town rather than the way I hate his posts when he's wolf

Usually as town he is just very frustrating, not because of his inactivity or low efforting, mostly because he has completely asanine takes that show he hasn't really been reading the thread. The last couple times I've seen him wolf, most prominently umineko, he just does a lot of nothing while planting wifom antispew and that feels like what he's been doing here.

I don't think we disagree on his meta I think we disagree with what he's been doing

FMPoV "completely asanine takes that show he hasn't really been reading the thread" is basically what he's been providing

Can uh
Someone tell me how many posts I have in thread and also how to find this information on mobile

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:33 pm Can uh
Someone tell me how many posts I have in thread and also how to find this information on mobile

78 posts and I have no idea about the 2nd part

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:33 pm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:28 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:24 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:10 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm - I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.

oh?

I don't know how to explain it properly without being rude

I hate all of his posts in the way that I hate his posts when he's town rather than the way I hate his posts when he's wolf

Usually as town he is just very frustrating, not because of his inactivity or low efforting, mostly because he has completely asanine takes that show he hasn't really been reading the thread. The last couple times I've seen him wolf, most prominently umineko, he just does a lot of nothing while planting wifom antispew and that feels like what he's been doing here.

I don't think we disagree on his meta I think we disagree with what he's been doing

FMPoV "completely asanine takes that show he hasn't really been reading the thread" is basically what he's been providing

He isn't really pushing anyone though. Meh

I'm the best flash wagon I've seen in a while here. I saw people doubting me last page even, cause I was reading that.

Kza or Dizzy both are probably good cfd targets if we think Seth is a villager since both have posts that stand out in my memory as posturing for when he flips town or tmi'ing him town and then just voting him anyway

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:35 pm Kza or Dizzy both are probably good cfd targets if we think Seth is a villager since both have posts that stand out in my memory as posturing for when he flips town or tmi'ing him town and then just voting him anyway

SEE I CAN GAME STATE READ, I CAN EVEN MAKE IT

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:34 pm I'm the best flash wagon I've seen in a while here. I saw people doubting me last page even, cause I was reading that.

Mindmeld

Drunk on power!

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:34 pm I'm the best flash wagon I've seen in a while here. I saw people doubting me last page even, cause I was reading that.

Mindmeld

Lux and Lex.

I'm not like 100 percent lock on Seth to be town

just to be clear

like I do think that Seth is closer to his town game but not like 100 percent centrally townSeth

The ultimate downside of voting kza is that if he is town we are completely screwed on where to go next because he's had next to no interactions

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:38 pm The ultimate downside of voting kza is that if he is town we are completely screwed on where to go next because he's had next to no interactions

if he's town?

Gavial has said quite a few times that "I'm town". He did that a lot in the game we just played where we were both scum. I checked his ISO (but not the whole thing) in the last game he was town, and he didn't say that at all there. To be fair, I don't think he was under much suspicion in his town game. But still, looks an awful lot like what he was doing in his scum game. Not solving and saying he's town.

So, I'm thinking it's highly likely that Gavial is in fact woof. But it's such a boring chop, and maybe not even the best one for town even if he's mafia. But at least he has posted some.

your sentence makes more sense if you meant wolf

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:37 pm I'm not like 100 percent lock on Seth to be town

just to be clear

like I do think that Seth is closer to his town game but not like 100 percent centrally townSeth

Spoiler: show

mostly I'm just scared that I'll get people to flip off of him and then he'll turn out to be a wolf

any thoughts on vulgard claiming a godread on seth and saying he's lock wolf?

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:37 pm I'm not like 100 percent lock on Seth to be town

just to be clear

like I do think that Seth is closer to his town game but not like 100 percent centrally townSeth

Spoiler: show

mostly I'm just scared that I'll get people to flip off of him and then he'll turn out to be a wolf

Wait how? Did he do a solve or something?

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:39 pm your sentence makes more sense if you meant wolf

There are no downsides to voting wolves unless they're like vengeful or some shit

why wouldn't you just move on to a different wolf read if gavial flips v then?

Gavial still haven't solved.

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:41 pm why wouldn't you just move on to a different wolf read if gavial flips v then?

I was talking about kza flipping v
It brings us right back to day 1 with everyone likely dancing around voting Seth

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:10 pm im starting to townread hally but it's for the overly elaborate 4d chess reason that i dont feel like theyre trying to towntell or get people to townread them. they feel somewhat detached from the game and their posts don't feel cloying or focused on how they're getting perceived - gth i would lean on this coming from hally as a villager

this is indeed the correct reason to v read me

FIIINE.

that doesn't screw us so much as leave us with another possible wolf though?

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:39 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:37 pm I'm not like 100 percent lock on Seth to be town

just to be clear

like I do think that Seth is closer to his town game but not like 100 percent centrally townSeth

Spoiler: show

mostly I'm just scared that I'll get people to flip off of him and then he'll turn out to be a wolf

any thoughts on vulgard claiming a godread on seth and saying he's lock wolf?

well

my first thought when he said that is 'nO you have a godread on me not on Seth' which is a really dumb thought to have because there's nothing that theoretically prevents him from having a godread on two different people

realistically I think his godread on Seth is mostly 'Seth has a contrasting meta and Vulgard, like most people familiar with it, can read him on that basis'

I am taking into account the fact that all the other people who know his meta are calling him a wolf for meta reasons and I'm calling him town for meta reasons, which is part of why I'm not shielding him, because I don't think my meta read is intrinsically better than yours

yeah i think i just wanna stick with gav here.

arete's arguments don't rly sway me bc i frankly think arete's giving gav too much credit for his play this game

im like at 70-30 confidence that gavial is a wolf when i was far closer to 90-10 24 hours ago

could be a villager because of the flippancy of his most recent posting and his insistence on being chopped, but there's nothing that moves the needle to the extent that i feel comfortable defending him or even suggesting that we go outside

shrug

Is the story this:
- KZA defends Gavial and says they think he's town.
- People be like "Oh tmi on Gavial".
- But we haven't even flipped Gavial, and many people were reading them scum, so...

When did KZA become scum rather than just town who has a contrarian take?
And why is the feeling of KZA having a TMI read stronger than the scum read on Gavial is?

I don't know if this is the full story. I also don't have a right or wrong answer to this.
They could both be town. Not both scum. If one scum, I lean Gavial, but also have read none of KZA's posts. But Gavial is scum play > town play.

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:45 pmyours

theirs

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:39 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:37 pm I'm not like 100 percent lock on Seth to be town

just to be clear

like I do think that Seth is closer to his town game but not like 100 percent centrally townSeth

Spoiler: show

mostly I'm just scared that I'll get people to flip off of him and then he'll turn out to be a wolf

Wait how? Did he do a solve or something?

him tunnelling me for being a "good wolf" (which I'm not, but I know the games he's working off of and don't think it's a ridiculous thing for him to believe) while blatantly not reading any of my posts felt like what I expect from Seth as town

Maybe I don't have enough experience with Gavial. But if he's town and phoning it in like this, I am disappoint.

But I didn't even want to chop him, so I don't know why I'm complaining.

But probably don't chop KZA tbh. Seems like a really lame chop.
Rather chop Alison or someone exciting.

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:33 pm Can uh
Someone tell me how many posts I have in thread and also how to find this information on mobile

it's annoying since the posts in topic under your name doesn't show on mobile, but you can check posts in topic via the thread postcount in the subforum at least (go to "the racket" and click the number of posts in thread)

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:45 pm
my first thought when he said that is 'nO you have a godread on me not on Seth' which is a really dumb thought to have because there's nothing that theoretically prevents him from having a godread on two different people

The pocket Vulgard psyop still going strong I see

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:46 pm im like at 70-30 confidence that gavial is a wolf when i was far closer to 90-10 24 hours ago

could be a villager because of the flippancy of his most recent posting and his insistence on being chopped, but there's nothing that moves the needle to the extent that i feel comfortable defending him or even suggesting that we go outside

shrug

anyone stick out to you as a potential busser of gavial?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:46 pm Is the story this:
- KZA defends Gavial and says they think he's town.
- People be like "Oh tmi on Gavial".
- But we haven't even flipped Gavial, and many people were reading them scum, so...

When did KZA become scum rather than just town who has a contrarian take?
And why is the feeling of KZA having a TMI read stronger than the scum read on Gavial is?

I don't know if this is the full story. I also don't have a right or wrong answer to this.
They could both be town. Not both scum. If one scum, I lean Gavial, but also have read none of KZA's posts. But Gavial is scum play > town play.

I just think the sequence of posts where kza said:

"I have meta on like 5 people in this list and one of them is Gavial so it won't even help me"
"Personally I have 0 confidence in reading Gavial tho"
"hot(?) take is that Gavial received way too much heat from too many directions for his 4 post entrance and is probably just town"

didn't make any sense

Hm. Missed Gavial's last posts. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he is in fact town. I did want a mischop on D1 though, just thought it would be funny if it was me instead.

I'd rather chop Gavial if he's town than if he's mafia. Is that the bizarre Hally mentioned?

I have been playing too much mafia lately.

dizzy no offense but what the fuck are you talking about

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:46 pm im like at 70-30 confidence that gavial is a wolf when i was far closer to 90-10 24 hours ago

could be a villager because of the flippancy of his most recent posting and his insistence on being chopped, but there's nothing that moves the needle to the extent that i feel comfortable defending him or even suggesting that we go outside

shrug

this is where i’m at, yeah

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:47 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:45 pmyours

theirs

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:39 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:37 pm I'm not like 100 percent lock on Seth to be town

just to be clear

like I do think that Seth is closer to his town game but not like 100 percent centrally townSeth

Spoiler: show

mostly I'm just scared that I'll get people to flip off of him and then he'll turn out to be a wolf

Wait how? Did he do a solve or something?

him tunnelling me for being a "good wolf" (which I'm not, but I know the games he's working off of and don't think it's a ridiculous thing for him to believe) while blatantly not reading any of my posts felt like what I expect from Seth as town

has he tunneled you? iirc he’s made like two posts about you

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:49 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:46 pm im like at 70-30 confidence that gavial is a wolf when i was far closer to 90-10 24 hours ago

could be a villager because of the flippancy of his most recent posting and his insistence on being chopped, but there's nothing that moves the needle to the extent that i feel comfortable defending him or even suggesting that we go outside

shrug

anyone stick out to you as a potential busser of gavial?

my default answer is "dyachei" because i was wolfreading them independently of gavial, and none of their interactions w/gavial are clearing off of the top of my head. i don't know if i fully believe that, though. if gavial is a wolf then i think at least one wolf is on his wagon right now

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:51 pmI just think the sequence of posts where kza said:

"I have meta on like 5 people in this list and one of them is Gavial so it won't even help me"
"Personally I have 0 confidence in reading Gavial tho"
"hot(?) take is that Gavial received way too much heat from too many directions for his 4 post entrance and is probably just town"

didn't make any sense

What doesn't make sense about that?

I don't know KZA at all, but I don't think that sounds unreasonable.
In fact, none of the above statements needs to have any bearings on the last statement. The last statements stands by itself.

But sure, if KZA is prone to blatant tmi read the top wagon as scum, sure. But also super meh.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:39 pm But still, looks an awful lot like what he was doing in his scum game. Not solving and saying he's town.

agree with this. he's more focused on defense and just slightly shitting on other people, plus a bit of talk about mechs (which again i've seen from him as town but meh)

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:45 pm yeah i think i just wanna stick with gav here.

arete's arguments don't rly sway me bc i frankly think arete's giving gav too much credit for his play this game

yeah it's prob better to just stick with him

idk

my vote is on kza and i think he has an equal if not higher chance of flipping wolf and i'd be happy with either going over

fight me on that if you want, i get the appeal of just flipping gav regardless

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:51 pm dizzy no offense but what the fuck are you talking about

I'm talking about Gavial, and a few other things.

And none taken!

i think gav's mech talk is the single thing that makes me most hesitant about dunking him

dunno if he has a history of being able to do that as a wolf

shrug

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:51 pm dizzy no offense but what the fuck are you talking about

But what do you not understand about my posts?

I probably miss a lot of context, so keep that in mind.

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:54 pm i think gav's mech talk is the single thing that makes me most hesitant about dunking him

dunno if he has a history of being able to do that as a wolf

shrug

I can see this.

And the "I'm town. I'm town. But I'm town." is what makes me the most suspicious. Also, no reasoning in his solving. Even less than what I saw as town, that is.

I must sleep
Gl on the flip, whoever ends up going over

(Also I think I'm dangerously close to postcap)

Since I'm very unsure of Gavial's alignment and I feel that his alignment is more uncertain to me than ever, I fully endorse his wagon!

But I will vote Alison.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:51 pm Hm. Missed Gavial's last posts. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he is in fact town. I did want a mischop on D1 though, just thought it would be funny if it was me instead.

I'd rather chop Gavial if he's town than if he's mafia. Is that the bizarre Hally mentioned?

I have been playing too much mafia lately.

i feel like you're drunk but your tone is too serious for the things youre saying lmao