The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:06 pm Yourself and NAA are my town core atm. There's 2 others on the periphery, tho I'd rather not say who right now.

How on god's green earth did the two of us, and only the two of us, earn this position?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:46 pm Uh... I was still operating based on Son of A's Watcher claim. Was that rescinded?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:11 pm @staypositivefriend has been poisoned in the night, and will die at eod.

Hammer is at 7, and eod is september 15, 7pm edt.

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@dolby
@Dyslexicon
@falcon45ca
@G-Man
@ilario
@JaggedJimmyJay
@Johanna
@Lime Coke
@Marmot
@NotAnAxehole
@Sloonei
@Son of Anarch
@TonyStarkPrime

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:32 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:29 am Someone with an animal in their name is mafia.

I'm confident Falcon is town

Can you help me get to this point?

Mainly based on mechanical shenanigans and tone

I probably can't help you other than by demonstrating that my picks are 4 for 4, but that will take 4 days.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:22 pm Ah man, can't say I'm stoked about that at all. My Internet was down until around this aftenoon so backreadin' wasn't really possible for me. I'm gonna say though that I still think Falcon Man's EOD wasn't the greatest and I'd like to hear some of the other thoughts on that.

Another interestin' thing is that if SPF is poisoned that might reflect well on the triad 'cause they were kinda all huddlin' together, yeah? Normally if you're tryin' to pocket someone you don't kill them. That's just a basic read though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:56 pm We need a POE pool of 6 with all 4 mafia in it. That equates to needing 6 town reads (not including either oneself or SPF). At the moment that feels like a steep number to achieve. Quick exercise for anyone willing to engage:

If you had to bank the game on four people being town not including SPF, who would you choose?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:52 am General question:

Is G-Man confirmed mafia?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:33 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:31 pm Dolby + TSP + the PRs, that's 5/6 of my quota for town reads @JaggedJimmyJay. So that's an easy 6 for you.

Remember that one of those non-vanilla players cannot claim; they don't know they're a thing. That would be four though, sure. Thanks.

I mean, that and the fact that I'm obviously lock town for yesterday, Sig flip. If you don't see it, then you're probably just mafia, because I don't think you're bad.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:33 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:31 pm Dolby + TSP + the PRs, that's 5/6 of my quota for town reads @JaggedJimmyJay. So that's an easy 6 for you.

Remember that one of those non-vanilla players cannot claim; they don't know they're a thing. That would be four though, sure. Thanks.

I mean, that and the fact that I'm obviously lock town for yesterday, Sig flip. If you don't see it, then you're probably just mafia, because I don't think you're bad.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:37 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:34 pm I mean, that and the fact that I'm obviously lock town for yesterday, Sig flip. If you don't see it, then you're probably just mafia, because I don't think you're bad.

I didn't realize you were referring to yourself.

You're not obviously lock anything to me (nor is anyone, I think that kind of language tends to be silly), but I'll take that into consideration.

I mean...

I pushed against the Sig wagon
I pushed on a Sig voter (who randomly was trying to put off the blame for his vote)

I get that you might be like, yeah but you could just theater... Yeah, but then look at the level of effort that I put into this game overall, and ask if I would really be bothered to do that shit as mafia just for the sake of the exact same outcome.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 pm Like JJJ's post yesterday of "let's get 2 misses before we consider re-evaluation sounded a lot like, let's get 2 kills before we start talking about my slot, and my partners"

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 pm Add Falcon to my town circle, never rescinding on Falcon, Dolby, TSP town reads.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:42 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 pm Like JJJ's post yesterday of "let's get 2 misses before we consider re-evaluation sounded a lot like, let's get 2 kills before we start talking about my slot, and my partners"

That's not what I said. I was asked about 2 misses.

*shrug*

I don't remember the context to be honest, just a few words of the post. I'd still kill you for it. And for your lack of reasonable town reads coming into today.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:45 pm JJJ is just busy for the sake of being busy, his posting D1 felt the same tbh, no substance.

I would also kill Sloonei.

I will probably die today.

Town loss, let's go.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:40 am That would require the fruit vendor giving spf some jamba juice too

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:57 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:50 pm Ilario, Falcon, Dolby, TSP, PRs all town.

If I were to do gun-to-head reads I think I'd agree with all four of these.

But I don't think it's probable that it's correct. If I have to yank a mafioso from that pile my first instinct is falcon.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 pm I town-read ilario based on energy early Day 1, but my Review has turned up a questionable early moment in his ISO:

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ilario wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:32 pm I contend that TonyStarkPrime singularly is more likely to enter the game with setup discussion as mafia than as town.

True or false or none of the above?

agreed

sloonei town

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:33 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:32 pm I contend that TonyStarkPrime singularly is more likely to enter the game with setup discussion as mafia than as town.

True or false or none of the above?

agreed

sloonei town

I await your reception of my latest post before this.

Ah that’s a shame, well I tr you for other reasons now such as threadspew and you admitting it was made up.

ilario instantly agrees with my made-up TSP slander and slaps a town read on me in response. But then when I tell everyone that I was making junk up, he says "ah well you're town for other reasons anyway."

@ilario why did you "agree" with my early assertion about TSP? What is your experience playing with him and how familiar are you with TSP? Why did you view me as town in response to that post?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:06 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:56 pm interesting stuff. i have some immediate thoughts about why i may have been poisoned, but i'm going to keep them to myself for now. it's kind of nice that i get to spend these 48 hours hunting with no tinfoil/suspicion against me whatsoever, minus the dying at the end of the day part :P

What's your current perspective/confidence level regarding ilario?

i will need to re-read illario before i answer that, but i would like to make it known that i was theorizing quite strongly overnight that there was a wolf between lime coke/illario. i have never seen lime coke and illario fail to find each other on d1 when they are villagers before, and illario remaining consistently suspicious of lime coke throughout the day as LC continued to townread him made me think that the dynamic would not be pure. i also estimate that the Epicmafians might be more likely to kill me than the other players here, but that is faulty reasoning, so i'm not weighing it too heavily

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:40 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:36 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

If I were a betting man, I'd say all of the mafia are in: TSP, Ilario, G-man, Johanna, LimeCoke

I will be a little surprised if this list does not include multiple mafia members. I would also be surprised if it contains all four of them.

I would be surprised if the list contains fewer than 3 mafia.

Which three are you most confident about?

Ilario and Johanna.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:09 am I quite like Johanna actually. I like that she picked the exact same Anarch post as awkward that I did, I like that she didn't go "michop bad thread consensus bad" (though I don't know if that is actually AI or anything), and similar to Jimmay, I do have a slight positive lean on her not considering the watcher (though logically, this is probably a non-point)

I also kind of think Axe is town? I don't know his scum style though. It would have to be a bold one if scum. I probably don't have enough actual backup to call this, and meta digging is boring. What do you say, Axe?

And now I'm pretty sure I have way too many town leans, wow surprising

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:25 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:31 pm No worries. I just don't see the need to complicate the game until necessary. I'm an agreeable enough guy, sure. Heck, me even writin' this post is pretty agreeable, wouldn't ya think? But I'll tell ya what, bein' scum and bein' agreeable here serves me no purpose. I prefer to be in the center of the action as wolf, gettin' lots of blood on my hands whenever possible. Probably a bit hard to believe, eh? I'm pretty chill right now, after all. That's because I've got no teeth like those scary wolves, heh

Kind of just believe this and Anarch is probably just town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:28 am Holy fucking shit I have to go.

Relevant info - I'm going on a work trip (can't believe I've become one of those people please help me) and I'm unclear how much free time I will have and I might miss my train so baiiiii

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:03 am Hi Ilario!

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How weird is it we've been posting side by side all page without interacting once?

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:03 am Hi Ilario!

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How weird is it we've been posting side by side all page without interacting once?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:28 am Wait I’m very confused about the watcher claim? When it says they get the report one day later do they mean 24hours or an entire day phase ? I assumed the latter so in which case I don’t get why tsp would claim here???

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:57 am I know I said falcon is probably my #1 suspect but that's largely a function of not really having any. As I said, the ones who've made posts that struck me as odd in a bad way are Lime Coke and SoA.

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I'd like to call him Limey.

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But that'd be rude.

TSP definitely posted oddly, but not knowing them at all and given the consistency of it I am happy to chalk it up to posting style. Suggesting that a vt claim watcher was fantastic,

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Thanks Marmot, I forgot that over the night.

they defended someone who was basically tilted for their entire stay on thread and thus were an easy mischop. It was not clear then and I'm not sure why he didn't say his clear was based on meta, but he was right, and his D2 so far just makes him townier.

I hate how NAA is playing but I don't see reason to characterise that as scummy. Confrontational and antagonising, sure. Again I chalk it up to posting style, although in this case I don't think there are reasons to towncore him. Neither are there reasons to suspect him.

So falcon. Yeah, I don't have reasons to think he's a wolf per se, either, and especially now that it's become apparent he's not very well caught up. In my experience, wolves are just as often boldly pushing names as they are cute and cuddly,

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I mean, they are. falcon's main D1 point doesn't really hold.

but what they try to do is to be up to date.

I don't think I can in good conscience vote for a 2-poster. Nobody can say whether they're scum or not based on two posts. So you know, I'm not reading that slot, but it is true that if they don't show up soon they'll have to be up for the chop. I'm just saying give them a chance to show up.

That's the most questionable bit about NAA, his easy-going willingness to lock wolfreads on nothing but literal thin air.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:35 am What role card. That was probably the most stripped down role PM I've ever received, and there wasn't even a role!

I wanted to know whether I might be Fleabag, or at least Miranda.

How about you, why are you so soft and cuddly? ò.ó

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:37 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:28 am Wait I’m very confused about the watcher claim? When it says they get the report one day later do they mean 24hours or an entire day phase ? I assumed the latter so in which case I don’t get why tsp would claim here???

The latter, but also the NK takes effect at the end of the following day, so we will get hopefully 1 red check. Unless TSP is bamboozling us to provide another bait for the mafia, which is still pro-town.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:26 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:35 am What role card. That was probably the most stripped down role PM I've ever received, and there wasn't even a role!

I wanted to know whether I might be Fleabag, or at least Miranda.

How about you, why are you so soft and cuddly? ò.ó

I’m feeeling goood about my role but a bit concerned over the actual gamestate. I think I was too hasty with some of my earlier trs on d1

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:40 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:26 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:35 am What role card. That was probably the most stripped down role PM I've ever received, and there wasn't even a role!

I wanted to know whether I might be Fleabag, or at least Miranda.

How about you, why are you so soft and cuddly? ò.ó

I’m feeeling goood about my role but a bit concerned over the actual gamestate. I think I was too hasty with some of my earlier trs on d1

Can you elaborate on this?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:33 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:57 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:50 pm Ilario, Falcon, Dolby, TSP, PRs all town.

If I were to do gun-to-head reads I think I'd agree with all four of these.

But I don't think it's probable that it's correct. If I have to yank a mafioso from that pile my first instinct is falcon.

Wait really??? Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you tr dizzy sloonei lc and soa already

If you add those 4 names as well as spf and yourself there isn’t enough slots left for you to make up a scum team of 4??!!

Jjj confusing me now