The Syndicate

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:52 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:26 amrly

I kinda don't fully agree with my own thoughts on that anymore so fair.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:29 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:28 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:20 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:20 am btw nutella is obvious town

Disagree.
A neutral with no lean at the very best.

Neeko stop transforming into Warwick.

Neeko would never pick someone so disgusting.
Neeko hasn't quite figured out who to become anyways.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:33 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:32 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:22 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:58 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:56 am @alexa

This is Paopan's only two games in this site:

viewtopic.php?t=2232
viewtopic.php?t=2248

Also clearly not Gavial

OK SO THEM MAKING WHATEVER POST THEY MADE MAKES 0 SENSE WHATSOEVER UNLESS THEYRE IN A SCUM CHAT TALKING ABOUT IT

THIS ONE: viewtopic.php?p=890859#p890859

LIKE HOW THE HECK DO YOU GET TO THIS IS YOURE NOT A WOLF AND ITS BEING DISCUSSED AND YOU DONT KNOW ME? it makes 0 sense whatsoever to me and this is a huge part of why

It’s a slip.

[VOTE: Paopan] aubergine

I'm easily swayed.

[VOTE: Paopan] aubergine

Ugh... You're scum, aren't you?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:36 am No really though. Mafia physically cannot resist joking they are not Mafia.
it is not scientifically possible.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:37 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:32 am Kinda over LP, at least for now.

Who should we run up in our next meaningless mid-D1-wagoning (before we eventually perform an anti-town CFD at the last minute)?

Ooooh! Pick me! Pick me!

I did.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:54 am I think this push from Mac is so absurd, I'm at the borderline of treating it as outing if he's wrong.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:32 am Kinda over LP, at least for now.

Who should we run up in our next meaningless mid-D1-wagoning (before we eventually perform an anti-town CFD at the last minute)?

Ooooh! Pick me! Pick me!

God you are an enigma. Either so casually open wolfing or just a carefree townie.
Which is it? Tell Neeko honestly.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:54 am I think this push from Mac is so absurd, I'm at the borderline of treating it as outing if he's wrong.

You're also voting Neeko though.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:39 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:32 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:22 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:58 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:56 am @alexa

This is Paopan's only two games in this site:

viewtopic.php?t=2232
viewtopic.php?t=2248

Also clearly not Gavial

OK SO THEM MAKING WHATEVER POST THEY MADE MAKES 0 SENSE WHATSOEVER UNLESS THEYRE IN A SCUM CHAT TALKING ABOUT IT

THIS ONE: viewtopic.php?p=890859#p890859

LIKE HOW THE HECK DO YOU GET TO THIS IS YOURE NOT A WOLF AND ITS BEING DISCUSSED AND YOU DONT KNOW ME? it makes 0 sense whatsoever to me and this is a huge part of why

It’s a slip.

[VOTE: Paopan] aubergine

I'm easily swayed.

[VOTE: Paopan] aubergine

It's not time to vote there yet.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:56 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:54 am I think this push from Mac is so absurd, I'm at the borderline of treating it as outing if he's wrong.

You're also voting Neeko though.

1) If I was, this information would be irrelevant to the read

2) Uhmm... No?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:40 am I am not sure I've seen a wolf as obvious as linearpoint in my life

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:40 am A lot of Ender's posts have pinged me as the sort of post that wolves make to like actively look like they're relaxed... but you can't actively be relaxed so they vibe off.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:56 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:54 am I think this push from Mac is so absurd, I'm at the borderline of treating it as outing if he's wrong.

You're also voting Neeko though.

1) If I was, this information would be irrelevant to the read

2) Uhmm... No?

hey that's not fair. Neeko looked away for a second.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:58 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:56 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:54 am I think this push from Mac is so absurd, I'm at the borderline of treating it as outing if he's wrong.

You're also voting Neeko though.

1) If I was, this information would be irrelevant to the read

2) Uhmm... No?

hey that's not fair. Neeko looked away for a second.

I usually look at the poll before making statements about people's votes.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:41 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:40 am A lot of Ender's posts have pinged me as the sort of post that wolves make to like actively look like they're relaxed... but you can't actively be relaxed so they vibe off.

Yeah something like that.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:41 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:40 am I am not sure I've seen a wolf as obvious as linearpoint in my life

I think LP has looked pretty townie actually.

Wolfcase them and I will consider them again... and you.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:59 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:58 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:56 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:54 am I think this push from Mac is so absurd, I'm at the borderline of treating it as outing if he's wrong.

You're also voting Neeko though.

1) If I was, this information would be irrelevant to the read

2) Uhmm... No?

hey that's not fair. Neeko looked away for a second.

I usually look at the poll before making statements about people's votes.

Neeko knows your tricks. She's got her eye on you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:48 am the only mayo-er I know is @dunya

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:59 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:59 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:58 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:56 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:55 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:54 am I think this push from Mac is so absurd, I'm at the borderline of treating it as outing if he's wrong.

You're also voting Neeko though.

1) If I was, this information would be irrelevant to the read

2) Uhmm... No?

hey that's not fair. Neeko looked away for a second.

I usually look at the poll before making statements about people's votes.

Neeko knows your tricks. She's got her eye on you.

I sincerely doubt it...

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:48 am OK Neeko has reached the conclusion Ender is unreadable.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:59 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:59 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:58 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:56 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:55 am

You're also voting Neeko though.

1) If I was, this information would be irrelevant to the read

2) Uhmm... No?

hey that's not fair. Neeko looked away for a second.

I usually look at the poll before making statements about people's votes.

Neeko knows your tricks. She's got her eye on you.

I sincerely doubt it...

Fair, Neeko can never know what's going on inside anyone's head.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:49 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:43 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:57 am i'd probably call mac towny in worlds pre-my last hydra game with him but that + aalison's read on him. he gets to be null. maybe ill try to make an actual read on him in the morning when im less tired.

This kinda feels like a post you make while wearing a coat of not quite 101 dalmations.

this is the craziest mind meld I've ever seen. I was trying to make a post calling Alexa Cruela and Paopan a puppy earlier but I had no reception lol

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:00 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:00 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:59 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:59 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:58 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:56 am

1) If I was, this information would be irrelevant to the read

2) Uhmm... No?

hey that's not fair. Neeko looked away for a second.

I usually look at the poll before making statements about people's votes.

Neeko knows your tricks. She's got her eye on you.

I sincerely doubt it...

Fair, Neeko can never know what's going on inside anyone's head.

Fixed

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:01 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:49 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:43 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:57 am i'd probably call mac towny in worlds pre-my last hydra game with him but that + aalison's read on him. he gets to be null. maybe ill try to make an actual read on him in the morning when im less tired.

This kinda feels like a post you make while wearing a coat of not quite 101 dalmations.

this is the craziest mind meld I've ever seen. I was trying to make a post calling Alexa Cruela and Paopan a puppy earlier but I had no reception lol

Actually shit you're right, Pao can't be wolf if Alexa is.

God damn faking building worldviews is so hard.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:43 am alexa
c4
Creature
ender
falcon
hk
ilario
paopan
sabie
seanzie
urist

there are 0 wolves here

sloonei, nutella, Alison contains min 1 probably 2 wolves

linearpoint is outed mafia

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:01 am this is like some satirical meta comedy version of mafia right now

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:02 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:01 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:49 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:43 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:57 am i'd probably call mac towny in worlds pre-my last hydra game with him but that + aalison's read on him. he gets to be null. maybe ill try to make an actual read on him in the morning when im less tired.

This kinda feels like a post you make while wearing a coat of not quite 101 dalmations.

this is the craziest mind meld I've ever seen. I was trying to make a post calling Alexa Cruela and Paopan a puppy earlier but I had no reception lol

Actually shit you're right, Pao can't be wolf if Alexa is.

God damn faking building worldviews is so hard.

Someone please shoot this.

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:47 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

this is for everyone

I need an answer

@112
@Alison
@Belzy
@BoKnows
@c4e5g3d5
@DrWilgy
@dyachei
@Dyslexicon
@EnderWiggin
@falcon45ca
@Guillotine
@hollowkatt
@ilario
@Justplayingitcool
@KZA
@LinearPoint
@Marmot
@Master Radishes
@NotAnAxehole
@nutella
@Phil and Gloria
@Porscha
@sabie12
@Seanzie
@sig
@Sloonei
@TonyStarkPrime
@Urist

THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND MAY 100% NAIL A SCUM, PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU'VE PLAYED WITH PAOPAN BEFORE

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:02 am If I was a day vig, I would have shot Mac already, so you can scratch that off of the bingo card mafia team.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:47 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:45 am I'll probably trust Alison and Mac on LinearPoint. Let's hope they didn't rand wolves together again.

i think that one of them is mafia and the other is town. what you choose to do with that information is up to you.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:51 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:59 pm Mac's entrance is unimpressive. He remains firmly in my suspect pool.

@LinearPoint What is your opinion on my Creature case? You've been very absorbed with the alexa/nutella stuff. I'd like your view on other parts of the game.

OK, lets start from the top and break this down then.

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

First thought is that fluff posts in RVS are pretty much always NAI. There is a pretty common thread in the posts that suggests a person who just doesn't want to play meaning they got a role they disliked. This I don't really see as Mafia and is more likely a 3rd Party who doesn't need to worry about screwing over their team or a player who is Town and just got a bad role. You have a point about the backoff "i'm not Mafia" line, but that alone I wouldn't consider enough to warrant saying Creature is Mafia especially when I think the lack of interest in the game would be unlikely to come from Mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

This makes sense. But a lot of people right now are pushing their own opinions on what the Captain chose. Neeko does believe some Mafia will be trying to push the opposite of their choice, but right now everyone is guilty of doing so. It's also hard to tell real derptells from fake derptells. To Neeko this reads more of a 3rd Party than Mafia overall. Neeko did point out when Creature made the post about being a 3rd Party that they seem like a 3rd Party with that post, but right now 3rd Party is just not a big concern imo. Creature also doesn't seem to be distancing from anyone or buddying with anyone so Mafia seems a bit unlikely.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Category 3: Flame Fanning

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

OK, admittedly was a bit jaded being falsely accused fanning the flames for jumping to conclusions with Alexa v Nutella to just write off this part, so Neeko will give it a serious read.
A lot of this makes sense for Creature being scum, so Neeko can see where you are coming from. It's not really giving reads and more a lot of just agreeing with hot takes which are shots in the dark from townies trying to scum hunt.

Neeko'll also provide another look into Creature since she had to review his posts for this and might as well.

overall they continued a lot of what you (Alison) pointed out.

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:41 am Is Scotty a good wolf?

This one is another just questioning someone's credibility by probbing others to look into their meta.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:40 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

why?

ftr i am least confident on guillo here but i think linear is probably a wolf

LinearPoint is at that limbo where I think their actions are more likely to come from town but lots of players are saying they're wolf and I'm afraid of being the wrong one here

This personally doesn't feel right. A lot of people have given varying reasons for scum reading Neeko, while Neeko disagrees that any of them are remotely grounded in reality, having no opinion seems a bit odd. Neeko doesn't really like in gneeral when people don't read her as it reads like someone trying to balance between if they want to go for the easy wagon or avoid it with the knowledge it'll not be a red flip.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:21 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:17 am Is there a red on nutella too? I really did miss a lot.

alexa seems to have info on nutella's role that seems wolf-indicative for the latter but not conclusive.

This is basically just echoing Neeko's read on the Alexa V Nutella, but also not commiting to either side, probably after seeing the backlash Neeko got for the opinion that Alexa V Nutella was Mafia.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:21 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:17 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am Also I maintain being provocative is something I do as town to the feel over players' alignment based on their responses. Looks like unnecessary attention for me to do as wolf.

Mmm defense of “I do this as town” no bueno

It's just that the "fanning the flames" thing can just be town being provocative just like this case. I honestly felt the same about DrWilgy last game when they started asking me useless questions and bugging me into responding them which I thought was wolfy but in reality they were being provocative.

Lastly, this is just blatantly saying they were trying to fan the flames and get people to scum read others without doing so themselves.

Neeko will say she doesn't like Creature. You can read the spoiler for quotes and thoughts on quotes.
Create is probably either a 3rd party who doesn't have partners to spew, or is mafia actively avoiding forming reads on any player to avoid spewing.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:01 am this is like some satirical meta comedy version of mafia right now

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:02 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:43 am alexa
c4
Creature
ender
falcon
hk
ilario
paopan
sabie
seanzie
urist

there are 0 wolves here

sloonei, nutella, Alison contains min 1 probably 2 wolves

linearpoint is outed mafia

Mac is mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:51 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:59 pm Mac's entrance is unimpressive. He remains firmly in my suspect pool.

@LinearPoint What is your opinion on my Creature case? You've been very absorbed with the alexa/nutella stuff. I'd like your view on other parts of the game.

OK, lets start from the top and break this down then.

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

First thought is that fluff posts in RVS are pretty much always NAI. There is a pretty common thread in the posts that suggests a person who just doesn't want to play meaning they got a role they disliked. This I don't really see as Mafia and is more likely a 3rd Party who doesn't need to worry about screwing over their team or a player who is Town and just got a bad role. You have a point about the backoff "i'm not Mafia" line, but that alone I wouldn't consider enough to warrant saying Creature is Mafia especially when I think the lack of interest in the game would be unlikely to come from Mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

This makes sense. But a lot of people right now are pushing their own opinions on what the Captain chose. Neeko does believe some Mafia will be trying to push the opposite of their choice, but right now everyone is guilty of doing so. It's also hard to tell real derptells from fake derptells. To Neeko this reads more of a 3rd Party than Mafia overall. Neeko did point out when Creature made the post about being a 3rd Party that they seem like a 3rd Party with that post, but right now 3rd Party is just not a big concern imo. Creature also doesn't seem to be distancing from anyone or buddying with anyone so Mafia seems a bit unlikely.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Category 3: Flame Fanning

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

OK, admittedly was a bit jaded being falsely accused fanning the flames for jumping to conclusions with Alexa v Nutella to just write off this part, so Neeko will give it a serious read.
A lot of this makes sense for Creature being scum, so Neeko can see where you are coming from. It's not really giving reads and more a lot of just agreeing with hot takes which are shots in the dark from townies trying to scum hunt.

Neeko'll also provide another look into Creature since she had to review his posts for this and might as well.

overall they continued a lot of what you (Alison) pointed out.

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Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:41 am Is Scotty a good wolf?

This one is another just questioning someone's credibility by probbing others to look into their meta.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:42 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:40 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:38 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

why?

ftr i am least confident on guillo here but i think linear is probably a wolf

LinearPoint is at that limbo where I think their actions are more likely to come from town but lots of players are saying they're wolf and I'm afraid of being the wrong one here

This personally doesn't feel right. A lot of people have given varying reasons for scum reading Neeko, while Neeko disagrees that any of them are remotely grounded in reality, having no opinion seems a bit odd. Neeko doesn't really like in gneeral when people don't read her as it reads like someone trying to balance between if they want to go for the easy wagon or avoid it with the knowledge it'll not be a red flip.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:21 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:17 am Is there a red on nutella too? I really did miss a lot.

alexa seems to have info on nutella's role that seems wolf-indicative for the latter but not conclusive.

This is basically just echoing Neeko's read on the Alexa V Nutella, but also not commiting to either side, probably after seeing the backlash Neeko got for the opinion that Alexa V Nutella was Mafia.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:21 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:17 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am Also I maintain being provocative is something I do as town to the feel over players' alignment based on their responses. Looks like unnecessary attention for me to do as wolf.

Mmm defense of “I do this as town” no bueno

It's just that the "fanning the flames" thing can just be town being provocative just like this case. I honestly felt the same about DrWilgy last game when they started asking me useless questions and bugging me into responding them which I thought was wolfy but in reality they were being provocative.

Lastly, this is just blatantly saying they were trying to fan the flames and get people to scum read others without doing so themselves.

Neeko will say she doesn't like Creature. You can read the spoiler for quotes and thoughts on quotes.
Create is probably either a 3rd party who doesn't have partners to spew, or is mafia actively avoiding forming reads on any player to avoid spewing.

I feel pocketed by this post.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:02 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:43 am alexa
c4
Creature
ender
falcon
hk
ilario
paopan
sabie
seanzie
urist

there are 0 wolves here

sloonei, nutella, Alison contains min 1 probably 2 wolves

linearpoint is outed mafia

Mac is mafia.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:54 am i'm usually able to interpret village nute really quickly btw and i'm not getting the interpretation here yet

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:57 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:28 am Mac if you tunnel LP I will townread you.

this reminds me of your wolf game we just lost tbh

This is creature's first townie post but it's borderline

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:07 am Is Ender really just lolwoofing here

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:10 am ender randed jester

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:10 am ender randed jester

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:06 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:04 am Alexa Alison dizzy mac creature and a sixth, probably like NAA or Guillo or Urist

Would try to be a bit less obvious with my wolf choices but maybe would probably have picked alexa too. Would rather have her on my wolfteam even if she gets caught easily than have her on the town team.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:10 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:10 am ender randed jester

Kinda feels like a third of the game randed jester