The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:11 pm you're gonna look pretty bad when she flips mafia

It's not "you're their partner" or anything like that, Mac just wants to point out that I'll look bad.

Mac knows my alignment. Based on this, I'd guess he's bussing, but honestly it could be either way.

Regardless, Mac does not have a good SVS case and the fact that Mac is doing this stonewall on me when I'm trying to work with him, it's no bueno.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm I'm not trying to stonewall u I just don't know how to handle u when you push me ever and nothing I do has ever stopped u from doing so once you get on a tangent so I cbf with it

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm I'm not trying to stonewall u I just don't know how to handle u when you push me ever and nothing I do has ever stopped u from doing so once you get on a tangent so I cbf with it

What is your case on SVS? Why have you been pushing them for the entireity of D2? What was it that made you come in early D2 pushing them?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

Yeah this. Get with the times boomer

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm I'm not trying to stonewall u I just don't know how to handle u when you push me ever and nothing I do has ever stopped u from doing so once you get on a tangent so I cbf with it

What is your case on SVS? Why have you been pushing them for the entireity of D2? What was it that made you come in early D2 pushing them?

my case on svs is heh lol roflcopter.

I push them because I have good instincts and I trust myself.

I came in pushing her cuz lol her posts bad

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

Mac quite literally did his signature town move of snapping out of his silly goofing because he could not stop himself from going into solvey mode once he established a few town reads to work with. He got excited about me becoming towny and wolves becoming wolfy. I know because I was there and felt the exact same excitement. We entered the drift.

How about you at least work with the two of us for today and flip SVS, and if after that you still want to question mac knock yourself out but I'm pretty sure he and I are rocketing toward supatownland

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.

Because she became exponentially more wolfy this afternoon??? Thats how reads developing works??

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

Mac quite literally did his signature town move of snapping out of his silly goofing because he could not stop himself from going into solvey mode once he established a few town reads to work with. He got excited about me becoming towny and wolves becoming wolfy. I know because I was there and felt the exact same excitement. We entered the drift.

How about you at least work with the two of us for today and flip SVS, and if after that you still want to question mac knock yourself out but I'm pretty sure he and I are rocketing toward supatownland

Nutella, I literally asked Mac why his read was what it was on SVS, and he refused to elaborate, and that is exactly why I looked into his ISO and found that he has said NOTHING about SVS.

I am LITERALLY trying my darndest to work with Mac on SVS, and I will happily work with you on SVS, but right now, I am not the roadblock to me/Mac working together on SVS, Mac is. I'm just pointing out the problem.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

Mac quite literally did his signature town move of snapping out of his silly goofing because he could not stop himself from going into solvey mode once he established a few town reads to work with. He got excited about me becoming towny and wolves becoming wolfy. I know because I was there and felt the exact same excitement. We entered the drift.

How about you at least work with the two of us for today and flip SVS, and if after that you still want to question mac knock yourself out but I'm pretty sure he and I are rocketing toward supatownland

Nutella, I literally asked Mac why his read was what it was on SVS, and he refused to elaborate, and that is exactly why I looked into his ISO and found that he has said NOTHING about SVS.

I am LITERALLY trying my darndest to work with Mac on SVS, and I will happily work with you on SVS, but right now, I am not the roadblock to me/Mac working together on SVS, Mac is. I'm just pointing out the problem.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

Mac quite literally did his signature town move of snapping out of his silly goofing because he could not stop himself from going into solvey mode once he established a few town reads to work with. He got excited about me becoming towny and wolves becoming wolfy. I know because I was there and felt the exact same excitement. We entered the drift.

How about you at least work with the two of us for today and flip SVS, and if after that you still want to question mac knock yourself out but I'm pretty sure he and I are rocketing toward supatownland

Nutella, I literally asked Mac why his read was what it was on SVS, and he refused to elaborate, and that is exactly why I looked into his ISO and found that he has said NOTHING about SVS.

I am LITERALLY trying my darndest to work with Mac on SVS, and I will happily work with you on SVS, but right now, I am not the roadblock to me/Mac working together on SVS, Mac is. I'm just pointing out the problem.

If she's a hit why do you care how mac got there before the rest of us? Sometimes instincts are just good but if you see other people's reasons as valid anyway just roll with it and if you think it might have been a bus then investigate that after we get a wolf flip

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm Like sometimes an intuitive read is just that and is hard to explain in any detail beyond "posts bad" and that doesn't make it bad faith it just makes it hard to articulate. This happens to me like EVERY game, I have trouble articulating reads all the time. Like how I caught you in GOC was essentially "posts bad, trust"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:33 pm notwithstanding being brutally honest about it is about the towniest shit ever... wolves try to apply reasoning where there isn't any. I'm literally so townie I've ascended.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.

I'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:33 pm notwithstanding being brutally honest about it is about the towniest shit ever... wolves try to apply reasoning where there isn't any. I'm literally so townie I've ascended.

@nutella he is actively trying to pocket you with posts like this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.

I'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.

Quote the posts then. What reasons? WHAT REASONS?

what reasons? I don't see them. I just want to see them. I don't.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:37 pm I am telling you that it's going to be okay that there are no bananas in the freezer and you keep going "BUT WHERE ARE THE BANANAS I NEEEEED THEM" and I'm like we have ice cream right there buddy maybe it'll make you feel better.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:39 pm what have svs and Kate provided besides vibe reads?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:40 pm ngl I thought I had reasons

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:40 pm ngl I thought I had reasons

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.

I'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.

Quote the posts then. What reasons? WHAT REASONS?

what reasons? I don't see them. I just want to see them. I don't.

Sorry, I am frustrated and did indeed read past this post. I politely disagree that at this stage in the venture vibe reads from Mac are okay.

Vibe reads are too easy for wolves to hide behind. And if Mac only vibe-read SVS, they could have just said so when I pushed them on it. Instead they told me to tell them what i disagree with.

Ergo, Mac would only TELL ME TO SAY WHAT I DISAGREED WITH if Mac was trying to put up the pretense that Mac actually had reasons. Mac isn't claiming vibe reads here, Mac is claiming reasons, but their ISO doesn't back it up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:40 pm ngl I thought I had reasons

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.

I'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.

Quote the posts then. What reasons? WHAT REASONS?

what reasons? I don't see them. I just want to see them. I don't.

Sorry, I am frustrated and did indeed read past this post. I politely disagree that at this stage in the venture vibe reads from Mac are okay.

Vibe reads are too easy for wolves to hide behind. And if Mac only vibe-read SVS, they could have just said so when I pushed them on it. Instead they told me to tell them what i disagree with.

Ergo, Mac would only TELL ME TO SAY WHAT I DISAGREED WITH if Mac was trying to put up the pretense that Mac actually had reasons. Mac isn't claiming vibe reads here, Mac is claiming reasons, but their ISO doesn't back it up.

He probably assumed it was more clear in his iso that he also jived with the reasons Wind and I had for suspecting SVS later. I do stuff like this all the time too, it's a classic townie retrospective memory/mindset assumption or something. Idk I'm probably not explaining it well but I think it is far more likely to come from a town who is sloppy yet confident than a wolf who is faking a progression.