The Syndicate

Mister Rearranger wrote:Triforce or die 2014, I'm in

Why don't we talk about this and What dom just said I have no clue what the context is for the latter.

Russtifinko wrote:Good job, guys! Yeesh, you really are fast. I kept getting linki'd out of answers haha. I don't think I have any more that haven't been gotten.

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Btw, if sabie is bad, Russti should be our next target. I'll wait until she flips to pursue it.

Why do you think this? I am kind-of thinking the opposite...if Sabie is GOOD, Rusti should be our next target.

Linki Host post!

....What does this even....mean?

I meant, if sabie turned out civ (as she did....sorry sabie, its quite frustrating to keep getting this wrong) then Russ should be our next lynch target.

fingersplints wrote:What do YOU think it will be MM?

I think it's going to be a puzzle.

I'm signing up for this game, even if it means the end of me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:What do YOU think it will be MM?

I think it's going to be a puzzle.

I'm signing up for this game, even if it means the end of me.

Hoo boy!

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:My, my. Very eager.

Russtifinko wrote:- fixed. My rupees!

YOUR rupees?

Why don't we talk about this?

I would like to.

Especially since he got that answer wrong anyway.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:What do YOU think it will be MM?

I think it's going to be a puzzle.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:What do YOU think it will be MM?

I think it's going to be a puzzle.

I'm signing up for this game, even if it means the end of me.

Hoo boy!

I strongly Advise that one else sign up. knowing exactly who has the Courage piece could provide to be very good for civvies....

OMG THIS IS PERFECT ACTUALLY NO ONE ELSE SIGN UP I'D LIKE TO SOLVE THE PUZZLE

Ok ok ok ok ok . So if either MM or MR are mafia, then either a mafia or a civvie would die. If civvie lives, mafia will have no choice but to kill them to release the piece, but if Mafia wins, they won't kill.
BOOOM GG mafia.

And to make this even better, if we can deduce the exact power of the courage stone, we can see if it's powers are being used for the civvie cause or the mafia cause. G fucking G

But if the mafia gets is?

fingersplints wrote:But if the mafia gets is?

Then no one will die, till we lynch them of course. We as a town will look specifically look out for what the courage stone does, and if we can figure it out, we can deduce if its power is being used for civvies or mafia.

Maybe I am missing something. How would no one die?

Made wrote:Ok ok ok ok ok . So if either MM or MR are mafia, then either a mafia or a civvie would die. If civvie lives, mafia will have no choice but to kill them to release the piece, but if Mafia wins, they won't kill.
BOOOM GG mafia.

Now I'm stuck in death match with MR. Look what you've done Made!

But, I can't argue the logic of this. I see what you are getting at. I don't think it's entirely accurate what you anticipate from the baddies, but I'll leave my thoughts on that to speculation for now.

fingersplints wrote:Maybe I am missing something. How would no one die?

erm sorry, didn't mean to say no one would die. If mafia gets it, mafia wouldn't be Nked, because they're mafia.

linki- I told no one to grab it <_<

Epignosis wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Triforce or die 2014, I'm in

Excellent. We finally have someone with some balls.

I have no balls. Nor do I want any. As a body part anyway. And based on previous challenges I wouldn't be anywhere near the first to figure it out and I don't wish to die.

Although I do think it would be nice if at least 5 people did it as that would assure a Ganon is playing.


I'm confused Made, why would the mafia not kill if they won it?

No. I'm not.

Epignosis wrote: Beware: Do not confuse courage with foolhardiness, for one of the contestants will die.

Someone is going to die Made. I really don't understand what you are proposing here. I'm going to let someone else try and work it out and see if I am the only one not comprehending.

linki. I still don't get it. If the mafia wins. How would we know the mafia won? And a civvie would still die and the mafia has the triforce. I'm just not understanding how that is a good thing.

linki again Made. I don't read it as a NK. I read it as someone dies from losing the challenge.

fingersplints wrote:No. I'm not.

Epignosis wrote: Beware: Do not confuse courage with foolhardiness, for one of the contestants will die.

Someone is going to die Made. I really don't understand what you are proposing here. I'm going to let someone else try and work it out and see if I am the only one not comprehending.

linki. I still don't get it. If the mafia wins. How would we know the mafia won? And a civvie would still die and the mafia has the triforce. I'm just not understanding how that is a good thing.

linki again Made. I don't read it as a NK. I read it as someone dies from losing the challenge.

Ok, Scenario time!


MM is Mafia MR is Civve.


If MR Wins, MM dies.
Mafia needs to reclaim that piece as per their victory condidtion, so they have to kill MR with their night kill.

If MM wins, MR dies.
Mafia wouldn't need to kill MR because he is mafia, and they have already won the piece.


There is however, the likely scenario that Civvie wins and Mafia doesn't kill because they predict that by not killing they make they winner of this look guilty, but in this scenario, Civvie would have the piece of courage and what ever awesomeness that comes with it

As a sort of safety guard, town could work to determine the power of the courage stone (Which we could very easily do if we work together and heavily analyze the play of the winner) we could determine the alignment of the winner

More Scenarios? More Scenarios!

MM is Civvie MR is Civvie
We lose a civve and gain a piece of power

MM is Mafia MR is Mafia
We lose a mafia, Mafia gains a win condition, which we would then lynch them for after determining the role of the piece of courage.

I'm scared of the losing the civvie and the piece scenario.

fingersplints wrote:I'm scared of the losing the civvie and the piece scenario.

The scenarios where that happens are both positive tho, at least relatively

If Both civvie
The piece is displaced and Mafia doesn't get their hands on it

If MR Mafia MM civvie,
If Mr wins, MM dies
Mafia has the piece, but if they attempt to use it, town immediate make it their goal to figure out the power of the piece and determine whether its use is positive or negative. (this is the worst scnario yes, but it could still have a relatively positive outcome)

I'm gonna watch a movie then head to bed. If you disagree with my logic fine, but please for the love of god, don't rashly grab the piece because you think it's pretty
*glares at MR*

EBWoP: I don't want people grabing the piece untill they've discussed grabbing it with mulitple people and it seems more advantages than the current situation.

WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW RUSS JUST SAID HE IS BAD

Made wrote:I'm gonna watch a movie then head to bed. If you disagree with my logic fine, but please for the love of god, don't rashly grab the piece because you think it's pretty
*glares at MR*

I also blindly stepped forth to try for the piece.

I bet Dom will too.

I doubt I have time to be that courageous.

Dom wrote:WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW RUSS JUST SAID HE IS BAD

I did though, but you went away. Also, the triforce is the more important discussion right now since we can't lynch anyone until tomorrow.

Dom wrote:WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW RUSS JUST SAID HE IS BAD

I've been talking about russ being bad for a while now.
It's exhausting.

I think Made is thinking too hard about a situation with too many variables to control
I also think Made might be bad and is using his civ death earlier to his advantage.

FS-- I mean how Russ said "MY" rupees. This indicates he is either Ganon, Hyrule, or the River

Dom wrote:I think Made is thinking too hard about a situation with too many variables to control
I also think Made might be bad and is using his civ death earlier to his advantage.

Wasn't Made on that list of people russ was DEFINITELY NOT voting for? the one for some weird reason like they helped with the puzzle, even though it's obvious it's beneficial to both baddies and civvies to help?

Dom wrote:FS-- I mean how Russ said "MY" rupees. This indicates he is either Ganon, Hyrule, or the River

Well, I say we lynch him tomorrow. If he is ganon, guardians are left and he can't die. If he is the other two he should.

Dom wrote:I also think Made might be bad and is using his civ death earlier to his advantage.

Really? How so?

fingersplints wrote:

Dom wrote:FS-- I mean how Russ said "MY" rupees. This indicates he is either Ganon, Hyrule, or the River

Well, I say we lynch him tomorrow. If he is ganon, guardians are left and he can't die. If he is the other two he should.

Though it is possible some of those roles have some lynch protections built into them. idk

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:I also think Made might be bad and is using his civ death earlier to his advantage.

Really? How so?

last night he commented on the fact that he is universally trusted

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Final tally for those who care (Russti)

Russti - 13
MM - 10
Ninja Bloops - 4
Eloh - 1



Across
1. Russti
6. Russti
8. Russti
9. Ninja Bloops
10. Russti
15. MM
16. Russti
18. Russti
19. Ninja Bloops
21. MM
22. Russti
23. MM
24. Ninja Bloops
27. MM

Down
1. Russti
2. Eloh
3. MM
4. Russti
5. Russti
7. Russti
11. MM
12. Russti
13. MM
14. Russti
17. MM
20. MM
25. MM
26. Ninja Bloops

Victory!

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:My, my. Very eager.

Russtifinko wrote:- fixed. My rupees!

YOUR rupees?

Why don't we talk about this?

Let's talk. They're the team's rupees now, but I earned them (and potentially rescued them from goodie clutches). Hence, mine.

Elohcin wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Good job, guys! Yeesh, you really are fast. I kept getting linki'd out of answers haha. I don't think I have any more that haven't been gotten.

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Btw, if sabie is bad, Russti should be our next target. I'll wait until she flips to pursue it.

Why do you think this? I am kind-of thinking the opposite...if Sabie is GOOD, Rusti should be our next target.

Linki Host post!

....What does this even....mean?

I meant, if sabie turned out civ (as she did....sorry sabie, its quite frustrating to keep getting this wrong) then Russ should be our next lynch target.

Haha well I understood that part. It was the "why" that eluded me.

Made wrote:More Scenarios? More Scenarios!

MM is Civvie MR is Civvie
We lose a civve and gain a piece of power

MM is Mafia MR is Mafia
We lose a mafia, Mafia gains a win condition, which we would then lynch them for after determining the role of the piece of courage.

This presumes that we can deduce the power of the Triforce of Courage somehow. Also, I don't think MR is a goodie at all.

Is it a puzzle, by the way? Are you allowed to tell us?

I am kinda leaning that we should all sign up. We have a numbers advantage, so we're more likely to end up with the Triforce that way.

hi baddie russ

Dom what do you think about what I said about voting him the next day? Do you think that is a reasonable assumption?

Separate post for linki (I left tabs open):

Dom, slow your roll haha. Remember how I just said goodies weren't dumb enough to blatantly reveal themselves? I'm fairly dumb, but just a smidgeon less dumb than that.

Also, fingers, Made was on the list of people I would definitely not lynch. However, things changed and the lists actually reversed, so he's someone I would be down to lynch. Everyone I would have lynched before I absolutely would not now. Long story.

Linki again: I would respond, but you're addressing my alter ego.
Linki2: I do think it's reasonable, but am against my lynch in favor of lynching goodies.

And fingers, if it makes you feel better, I was exhausted from trying to get you lynched too. Our spar was fun, though.

Oh, and Made:

if the thing is a puzzle, I think people who puzzle well and have time might as well go for it, and if it's not I think we should all join. We have numbers on the goodies, so in theory the more people that join the more likely the odds are to be in our favor, because at least one goodie is bound to join.

Sick! Then I will consider Made's well-meant advice and hear some input, but I definitely plan to join unless everybody gives me a good reason it's a terrible idea.

fingersplints wrote:Dom what do you think about what I said about voting him the next day? Do you think that is a reasonable assumption?

I'll be voting Russ...

Russtifinko wrote:Separate post for linki (I left tabs open):

Dom, slow your roll haha. Remember how I just said goodies weren't dumb enough to blatantly reveal themselves? I'm fairly dumb, but just a smidgeon less dumb than that.

Also, fingers, Made was on the list of people I would definitely not lynch. However, things changed and the lists actually reversed, so he's someone I would be down to lynch. Everyone I would have lynched before I absolutely would not now. Long story.

Linki again: I would respond, but you're addressing my alter ego.
Linki2: I do think it's reasonable, but am against my lynch in favor of lynching goodies.

you are bad

Russtifinko wrote:And fingers, if it makes you feel better, I was exhausted from trying to get you lynched too. Our spar was fun, though.

bad

Dom wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Dom what do you think about what I said about voting him the next day? Do you think that is a reasonable assumption?

I'll be voting Russ...

Ok, now about the challenge. First Made says we should have it be just me and him. Then just MR and MM. The whole thing doesn't make sense to me. So I don't like the idea of leaving it at two, because I am not sure I trust it. Then russ says we should all join, and I definitely don't trust that. Now he changes that again.

I feel at this point, russ feels caught and is just trying to make the thread as convoluted as possible. I can't make any other logical sense for all these sudden switches. People change their mind in mafia games, but not like this.
So what should we do?? This isn't just specifically addressed at you. Partially to you, partially to others, and partially thinking out loud.

Epignosis wrote:This isn't a puzzle. It's a fight to the death.

Is there any way you can answer if this will this be a time-sensitive fight to the death? I'm a bit concerned about agreeing to this, and then not being there for whenever what it is will take place.

I'm wondering how long the fight will take too. I know you probably won't answer all these things I'm curious, but I shouldn't probably agree to it. I have work all day tomorrow and then have to go to the hospital again right after.

fingersplints wrote:I feel at this point, russ feels caught and is just trying to make the thread as convoluted as possible. I can't make any other logical sense for all these sudden switches. People change their mind in mafia games, but not like this.

Why would I get myself caught out of nowhere by attacking you and them act like this and get lynched for sure? Again, I was taking absolutely no heat before I started acting funny. This doesn't make any sense unless I'm a disgruntled goodie trying to destroy the game for my teammates, which I'm not. That would be rude.

And I do apologize for the confusion I may have caused, I agree it's counterproductive. Couldn't be helped, though; like I said, things change. If my opinion didn't change with them, I'd really be a lunatic.

Russtifinko wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I feel at this point, russ feels caught and is just trying to make the thread as convoluted as possible. I can't make any other logical sense for all these sudden switches. People change their mind in mafia games, but not like this.

Why would I get myself caught out of nowhere by attacking you and them act like this and get lynched for sure? Again, I was taking absolutely no heat before I started acting funny. This doesn't make any sense unless I'm a disgruntled goodie trying to destroy the game for my teammates, which I'm not. That would be rude.

When would you say you started acting funny? Because I DID vote for you on Day 2, and I'm not trying to argue whether not SVS suspected you or not when she died again, but she did suspect you some then as well, so I wouldn't call that NO heat. Not much, I will give you that, but not to the point you are stressing it.

russ who's rupees?