The Syndicate

Hooray for no kill. And zomg secrets!

Yay no death!

TH why did you vote for Llama instantly?

Well Epi, those reveals make me interested to know why you wanted to know if people would accept the eye deal...

Ricochet wrote:TH why did you vote for Llama instantly?

I think he's bad, so it seemed like the right thing to do.

Ricochet wrote:TH why did you vote for Llama instantly?

Maybe he gets a cookie for being the first voter? I have seen hosts do stuff like that. Or maybe he just really feels it

Interesting secrets~ Death Note people, what the hell do they mean? And didn't someone ask that question?

And I am not gonna touch todays conversation with a ten foot pole. Just gonna say to boo:



And move on. And concede that your point about rewarding non participation is something I have to think about. A lot.

Linki~ yes yes yes!!!!

the yes yes yes is @boo.

boo wrote:Well Epi, those reveals make me interested to know why you wanted to know if people would accept the eye deal...

TH voted llama pretty quick day 1 with no reason why too.

Wotchyouthinkin' TH?

Boo - that's a good question. Do you find anything odd in the people who answered epi as well?

linki - ok TH you think llama is a bad llama - any reason why?

S~V~S wrote: Interesting secrets~ Death Note people, what the hell do they mean? And didn't someone ask that question?

(Sorry for snip) What do you mean? If all the canon fits into place in this game, only the Kiras having DN do any killing in this game. And mind you, probably not all four at once. Canon-wise, I'd say a maximum of two.

Maybe he did not expect secret reveals? Because talking about your own secrets.... well.

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Interesting secrets~ Death Note people, what the hell do they mean? And didn't someone ask that question?

(Sorry for snip) What do you mean? If all the canon fits into place in this game, only the Kiras having DN do any killing in this game. And mind you, probably not all four at once. Canon-wise, I'd say a maximum of two.

I don't understand what they mean. Thats what I mean. I know zero plus what little I have picked up from the thread.

I think Llama is bad for the following reasons.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:I'm here. Reading posts from today.

@Llama, so I think my assessment of your posting was based on length not number. I'm gonna have to reassess how I assess. Anyway, not voting for you today.

Brevity is the soul of wit, quoth the Bard.

Wu Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with, quoth the Wu Tang Clan.

YES!

So judging from the reveals, the Shinigami Eye Deal is more than canon and will probably affect all Kira players. Also, as I was just saying to SVS, it seems Higuchi and Mikami are not active Kiras yet. Maybe Misa too, but not entirely sure of that. Plus if the transfer of Death Notes will happen just like in the story, then I can't imagine more than two active Kiras concomittantly.

Also, Ryuk's secrets tell us that Shinigami players are unlynchable, yet don't have any other type of restriction regarding posting and such. At this point, I personally don't see what other type of player could be required to be silent in the game. NVMD RUSS

A wild Russ has appeared!

S~V~S wrote:Maybe he did not expect secret reveals? Because talking about your own secrets.... well.

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Interesting secrets~ Death Note people, what the hell do they mean? And didn't someone ask that question?

(Sorry for snip) What do you mean? If all the canon fits into place in this game, only the Kiras having DN do any killing in this game. And mind you, probably not all four at once. Canon-wise, I'd say a maximum of two.

I don't understand what they mean. Thats what I mean. I know zero plus what little I have picked up from the thread.

Is it clearer now?

Yes, Thank You

So, I confess to having not read every single post in this game. However, I think Epi talking a lot about me and not voting me is standard Epi. In fact I guess he was hoping I'd say something to defend myself. (No such luck! :P) I do think it's weird that he's been talking about it for so long, though. Go find someone else's tree to bark up, please!

Reading up on these revealed secrets now...

Linki: OH HAI GUYZ!

bea wrote:TH voted llama pretty quick day 1 with no reason why too.

Wotchyouthinkin' TH?

Boo - that's a good question. Do you find anything odd in the people who answered epi as well?

linki - ok TH you think llama is a bad llama - any reason why?

Off the top of my head... no. It was llama and DH who have both watched it in full I think, SVS and I once what the deal was was established... and I'm not sure there was anyone else. So just Epi for asking about it and then it turning out it appears to be a pretty huge mechanic in the game, that would seem to only have baddie links.

Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

Let the game begin...

Oh thank goodness, Russ has posted and maybe we can get some closure and move on.

lol - thanks TH. I appreciate the insight into your thinking.


Oh - hey -look - it's rusty! sup rusty? - wotchya thinkin?

yet more linki -k - cool deal boo. Just askin.

Black Rock wrote:Oh thank goodness, Russ has posted and maybe we can get some closure and move on.

Indeed. We might be lynching Russ today instead!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

Let the game begin...

I'm not bad so you shouldn't vote for me. That was easy. Russ's defense can't possibly beat that.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Oh thank goodness, Russ has posted and maybe we can get some closure and move on.

Indeed. We might be lynching Russ today instead!

Or...

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

Let the game begin...

We could with you for a ton of really great reasons that some extremely handsome individual laid out previously... who was that? and which you now seem very interested in adding to.

@MP: Was the lack of a kill a missing PM, or a survived kill? Were there missing PMs? If to the first question, how would a survived kill be writtten?

boo wrote:
@MP: Was the lack of a kill a missing PM, or a survived kill? Were there missing PMs? If to the first question, how would a survived kill be writtten?

Good questions.

A survived kill (whether due to the killer blocked, a protect, etc.) and a missed PM would both be written as "no kill".

Black Rock wrote:Oh thank goodness, Russ has posted and maybe we can get some closure and move on.

Yes, let's!

I did mean to say before, I haven't read every single post, but I've read most and have followed the major discussions. And it blows that Matsuda is dead, his role is sick.

I do think Epi's eye check thing is kinda weird, and that in combination with his tunnel vision on me it paints a bad picture. But maybe I'm biased. I could see myself voting him today.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

Let the game begin...

Linki: Good try, boo. :/

My defense = TH's defense.

How's about you explain why you're looking at the two of us exclusively?

Anyways, my impression was that TH's vote may have been forced. At least, that's why most players I've seen instavote have done it.

Turnip Head wrote:I think Llama is bad for the following reasons.

silly TH - the link took me to everything llama has said. Can you narrow it down some?

Sure Russ, if you also want to say that he was forced vote yesterday when he also voted for llama without saying anything other than llama is a bad llama to explain it. But hey, apparently you didn't get to start posting until now, so who the fuck knows what's going on?

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

Let the game begin...

I'm not bad so you shouldn't vote for me. That was easy. Russ's defense can't possibly beat that.

Alright. Thanks for that. Because I understand now.

I think you're a Shinigami. I think you're acting this way because you're immune to dying in any way. So you're playing a completely brazen, reckless game. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say there's a good chance you are Ryuk.

I would like to hear other players' thoughts on this.

Also, Russ, I don't need a defense from you (yet). But I do want to know why you haven't posted anything in this game until Day 2.

Linki: Add away, boo. But lynching me won't kill a baddie.

Linki 2: I'm looking at the two of you because:

1) TH - Voting someone with no explanation whatsoever. Sure, he might be forced. But I feel like something more nefarious is going on.

2) You did a drive-by-vote on Day 0, didn't post then at all, and didn't post at all during Day 1 or Night 1. So I think you have something to hide too.

I think those are two very good reasons to look at voting one of the two of you today.

Linki 3: Juliets, he won't. Like I said, he's either being forced or he's a baddie who is gaining something from his actions right now. My vote is on the latter unless he offers up something resembling a defense. Not to mention, I would love to know how someone could force another player to vote a certain way on Day 0.

Linki 4: I don't know what's going on anymore either. But I figured taking a more aggressive stance might get some people to talk a bit more.

That's quite a theory you've got there, birdy.

boo wrote:Sure Russ, if you also want to say that he was forced vote yesterday when he also voted for llama without saying anything other than llama is a bad llama to explain it. But hey, apparently you didn't get to start posting until now, so who the fuck knows what's going on?

Did he really? My bad then, I missed that he had done that. Ok well in that case he is clearly unconcerned about being lynched. Also unconcerned with helping civs. Hmmm, now who does that sound like?....

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, just finished catching up. I feel really weird about TH. not weird like I want to lunch him but weird like he wants to be lynched.

(About TH just now):

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think you're a Shinigami. I think you're acting this way because you're immune to dying in any way. So you're playing a completely brazen, reckless game.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Since it looks like I'm getting lynched today - there will be a whole lot of "I told you so" when ace, bwt, TH, and possibly blackrock and DH turn up baddie. Callin' it now

linki - zomba - are you shitting me? I didn't say that at all

So I don't think trice could possibly be right about all of these. However, I did find Aces and TH fishy on Day 1. Because of TH's voting pattern, I'm concerned he's unlynchable today. However, I do think Aces is worth a look.

juliets wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think Llama is bad for the following reasons.

silly TH - the link took me to everything llama has said. Can you narrow it down some?

I think that was his funny way of saying he is suspicious of everything Llama says.

Russ, what do you think of Boo?

It's like having a shiny new toy with you here.

lol - br. cute.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

......

Also, Russ, I don't need a defense from you (yet). But I do want to know why you haven't posted anything in this game until Day 2.

Linki 2: I'm looking at the two of you because:

1) TH - Voting someone with no explanation whatsoever. Sure, he might be forced. But I feel like something more nefarious is going on.

2) [Russ] did a drive-by-vote on Day 0, didn't post then at all, and didn't post at all during Day 1 or Night 1. So I think you have something to hide too.

I think those are two very good reasons to look at voting one of the two of you today.

(Quote edited for size, but using BWT's words where possible to keep the gist.)

So you want my defense but don't need it yet?

Linki: Haha thanks, BR! To me boo's analysis this game seems on-point. Very well thought-out and helpful. What makes you ask?

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:I found myself agreeing with Epi over the D0 vote but since then he's lost me a bit. This little tiff with DH seems rather pointless to me, as it's not helping at all. We'll have to lynch one of these guys eventually if they can't let their egos cool off and cooperate. That said, maybe this is a calculated move by both of them.

We'll have to lynch you eventually if your criteria for baddieness is disagreement.

Good luck with that My criteria for baddieness is not disagreement. Don't continue this day after day. Vote Epi and if you can't get the support to lynch him, move on until you can. This sort of thing can easily derail discussion and I don't want that.

Bogged down by work today and it's late so I'm going to bed. I have 5 pages to catch up which I will endeavour to do tomorrow. Got a busy weekend but I will do my best to contribute.

Where's the guy who's been begging you to talk when you need him?

I'd like to look at a Trice voter today (well, maybe. the epi and eye deal just seems like a huge red flag), but it wouldn't be Ace. Of the Trice voters, Ace is the only one who was actually case-building against Trice, and he was right in it with him. To me, that establishes a bias for Ace that is hard to see past.

For all of the other Trice voters, I can see some of them buying into what Ace was saying - on the condition that they were taking his word on certain things, meaning they wouldn't see past that bias since they weren't looking close enough at what Ace was actually saying and fact-checking instead of taking his word.

Because there were things Ace was saying about Trice that were true and reasonable suspicions. Those led Ace to being suspicious of Trice. Those same things were (imo) true of Ace, and led Trice to being suspicious of Ace. From there, it devolved into them both being suspicious of each other and looking for something suspicious in every single post, which led to Ace thinking Trice had spun things he had said dishonestly. I think they both did some of that, and I think they both saw some of that where it wasn't actually happening. I can forgive Ace that and not automatically assume it makes him bad. He was making an effort, and I think it was an honest one.

I do not think that same sort of effort was put in by some Trice voters. Some of them maybe just didn't have the time, or whatever, other ways of explaining it that don't make me just want to start lynching each Trice voter one by one, but enough that on top of other things being a Trice voter will add to any suspicion of you that I have.

So there's BWT. Who I'm already suspicious of. Who voted for Trice. This is his vote post. I do still think he was just piling a vote onto Trice because it was an easy vote, and he says the big ping that got him to vote Trice is: "My biggest ping on him came from him misquoting Aces, and then building IMO a weak case on it and hounding Aces about it." That could just as easily warrant a vote for Ace by replacing Aces with Trice. But the lynch was headed towards Trice, and BWT wanted to go with it, the actual facts didn't matter, an easy vote for someone was what mattered, and if it was a detective and not a baddie teammate he didn't have BTSC, well that would be ideal. And in a Day 1 spat where things are happening like they did between Ace and Trice, well it's a pretty good bet it's civ on civ, so that was a great place for BWT to place his vote.

zeek wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:I found myself agreeing with Epi over the D0 vote but since then he's lost me a bit. This little tiff with DH seems rather pointless to me, as it's not helping at all. We'll have to lynch one of these guys eventually if they can't let their egos cool off and cooperate. That said, maybe this is a calculated move by both of them.

We'll have to lynch you eventually if your criteria for baddieness is disagreement.

Good luck with that My criteria for baddieness is not disagreement. Don't continue this day after day. Vote Epi and if you can't get the support to lynch him, move on until you can. This sort of thing can easily derail discussion and I don't want that.

Bogged down by work today and it's late so I'm going to bed. I have 5 pages to catch up which I will endeavour to do tomorrow. Got a busy weekend but I will do my best to contribute.

Me? Move on? You do know who I am right?

rusty - can you talk at all about why you haven't posted thus far in the game?

linki - boo - that's a good point. I know I saw tricey's quote of aces the same way aces saw it, but the fact that tricey kept looking other places for discussion besides aces was what swung me to *not* vote tricey. I did read aces's posts as genuine while they were happening as well.

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:I found myself agreeing with Epi over the D0 vote but since then he's lost me a bit. This little tiff with DH seems rather pointless to me, as it's not helping at all. We'll have to lynch one of these guys eventually if they can't let their egos cool off and cooperate. That said, maybe this is a calculated move by both of them.

We'll have to lynch you eventually if your criteria for baddieness is disagreement.

Good luck with that My criteria for baddieness is not disagreement. Don't continue this day after day. Vote Epi and if you can't get the support to lynch him, move on until you can. This sort of thing can easily derail discussion and I don't want that.

Bogged down by work today and it's late so I'm going to bed. I have 5 pages to catch up which I will endeavour to do tomorrow. Got a busy weekend but I will do my best to contribute.

Me? Move on? You do know who I am right?

Oz, the great & terrible?

......Ignore the man behind the curtain.....

Russtifinko wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

......

Also, Russ, I don't need a defense from you (yet). But I do want to know why you haven't posted anything in this game until Day 2.

Linki 2: I'm looking at the two of you because:

1) TH - Voting someone with no explanation whatsoever. Sure, he might be forced. But I feel like something more nefarious is going on.

2) [Russ] did a drive-by-vote on Day 0, didn't post then at all, and didn't post at all during Day 1 or Night 1. So I think you have something to hide too.

I think those are two very good reasons to look at voting one of the two of you today.

(Quote edited for size, but using BWT's words where possible to keep the gist.)

So you want my defense but don't need it yet?

Linki: Haha thanks, BR! To me boo's analysis this game seems on-point. Very well thought-out and helpful. What makes you ask?

I'll be honest. I mostly posted my original post for today in that way because I wanted to see what kinds of reactions I would get out of TH and yourself. I think TH's reaction was very telling in particular.

As for you, I am still curious as to why you did not post at all in the game until now. Care to explain why?

Russtifinko wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I'm going to start approaching this game in a different way. And a different playstyle.

TH and Russ: I want a defense from both of you. Whoever gives a worse defense of why they shouldn't be lynched will get my vote.

......

Also, Russ, I don't need a defense from you (yet). But I do want to know why you haven't posted anything in this game until Day 2.

Linki 2: I'm looking at the two of you because:

1) TH - Voting someone with no explanation whatsoever. Sure, he might be forced. But I feel like something more nefarious is going on.

2) [Russ] did a drive-by-vote on Day 0, didn't post then at all, and didn't post at all during Day 1 or Night 1. So I think you have something to hide too.

I think those are two very good reasons to look at voting one of the two of you today.

(Quote edited for size, but using BWT's words where possible to keep the gist.)

So you want my defense but don't need it yet?

Linki: Haha thanks, BR! To me boo's analysis this game seems on-point. Very well thought-out and helpful. What makes you ask?

Feeling things out, looking at other peoples take on things.

Fair enough, BR.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: I'll be honest. I mostly posted my original post for today in that way because I wanted to see what kinds of reactions I would get out of TH and yourself. I think TH's reaction was very telling in particular.

As for you, I am still curious as to why you did not post at all in the game until now. Care to explain why?

Hmm, telling good or telling bad?

And I can't talk about not talking! That defeats the whole point, man!

Welp that's it for me tonight, all. I'm going to finish the Death Note anime, and then to bed.

This is just like Waiting For Godot, except we're waiting for Epignosis, lol.

I came into today feeling pretty much the same about FZ as I did before. When she is a civ, regardless of the thread output, she is fearless, poking people and speaking her mind. Calling people out for all kinds of things. This game, not so much. When she finally does suspect someone strongly enought to commit to it (kinda) it is someone she suspects for basically the same reasons she herself is suspoect.

BUT the great Secret Eyeball Revelation plus Russti coming out of hiding has me wanting to see how Epi plays this.

I'm brandishing my pitchfork in anticipation of Epi's response.

Rabble rabble rabble

I don't have an avatar for this situation.