The Syndicate

Hi everyone! Sorry I missed yesterday - I didn't know when the hiatus ended. Also, I was so tired yesterday that I almost fell asleep while using the restroom. A DaisySock wedding can really take it out of a guy!

Anyway, great job on the lynch, Blooper! Was it luck that we won the tie, or do we know how those are handled?

sig wrote:So nijuukyugou is a cleared civilian imo.

No

sig wrote:Am I correct in saying the mafia no longer has the ability to night kill?

Very doubtful

sig wrote:Back to an early post of mine about Killerface

sig wrote:1. Epignosis
DharmaHelper (2), G-Man (16) 10%

2. Timmer
nijuukyugou (8), Made (14) 10%

3. Metalmarsh89
S~V~S (13), HamburgerBoy (17), Roxy (18) 14%

4. Sig
Elohcin (9), Mac's Mom (10), Cookie (20) 14%

5. Long Con
Metalmarsh89 (4), Scotty (7), MovingPictures07 (21) 14%

6. Cookie
Epignosis (3), timmer (11) 10%

7. MP
TinyBubbles (12), Spacedaisy (19) 10%
dealing with living players only
MetalMarsh died this means one of these three was Killface S~V~S , HamburgerBoy, Roxy.

Or killface is someone who didn't vote Sig, Saberfish, Ika, DisgruntledPorcupine, are the only four who didn't vote correct? Saberfish voted and switched right?

S~V~S , Roxy, Saberfish, and DisgruntledPorcupine

Hamburger can't be killerface and Ika is dead
Any of these four are Killer, I'm leaning that whoever killerface was they didn't vote day one and then joined in late to yesterdays lynch.

Concentrate and ask again

Am I right to say there are 11 civs, 5 baddies, and 5 indies, btw?

Russtifinko wrote:Am I right to say there are 11 civs, 5 baddies, and 5 indies, btw?

Don't count on it

I'm going to take a shower. When I come back, I'll tell you what I think, and then I'm off to make margaritas with some Ohioan triple sec and play some Lord of the Realms 2 (my first RTS from back in the day).

Actually, Lord of the Realms 2 is turn-based AND RTS.

I can rule out all Day 4 voters from being Killface.

If nijuukyugou is Killface, I would have to believe that: 1) She consented to an Elohcin Night 1 kill, 2) she saw that Cookie didn't have a chocolate chip's prayer in hell Day 2 and voted there first, 3) took out her team's killer by herself on a Day when nine people missed the vote while risking exposing herself. I would buy 2, but not 1 or 3. Not a Killface Candidate.

++++

S~V~S has the most suspicious voting record for Killface. There's no way around that. MM got lynched Day 1 when she voted for him first. She stayed out of the way since then and didn't vote when it was a four-way tie. She had the opportunity to clear her name of being Killface but unfortunately that didn't happen. Killface candidate.

++++

For the same reasons, Roxy's votes are suspicious. She defended Cookie Day 1 (and all newish players- and lookie there, ika was bad too), then voted for her Day 2 in a non-committal way. Look at this:

Cookie
6
nijuukyugou (8), Made (11), Epignosis (12), Roxy (13), Saberfish (14), ika (15) 33%

I don't believe nijuukyugou is Killface, Made was the rabbit guy, then me, there's Roxy, Saberish comes in right after her and ika, a teammate, tacks on another needless vote.

However, Roxy expressed an interest in voting ika even though she didn't (although clearly he didn't have "literally forever," but I'll leave that alone ) Point to Roxy there, even if she did not vote.

Probably not Killface.

++++

Saberfish stayed out of the way Day 1 for a vague reason, and was quick to sling the mud at the MM89 voters. Not just any mud, but Killface Brand® Mud. I thought he hinted at being an Xtacle. That's still possible, but doubtful. The vote for Made was weak. Killface candidate.

++++

DisgruntledPorcupine has four posts. Not surprising there. His only vote appears to be for ika Day 3. He voted late and outside of Made/Roxy. Killface candidate.

++++

I'm going to stop there. I plan to vote S~V~S, Saberfish, or DP when Day 5 rolls around.

So far the lynched Mafia is two new people: Cookie and ika. That's something to consider. I pointed out that new-fish Mafia would kill Elohcin Day 1. The idea got poo-pooed, but the evidence points in that direction.

Man, it's been a bloody couple of days. Y'all should get down to the hospital and see about getting some help. Too bad no one has insurance. Cause man, those super-intelligent radioactive waste-covered ants? That's a dangerous combo.

Mac's Mom has been killed by Killface.
Movingpictures07 has been killed by Mr. Ford.
HamburgerBoy's head has exploded.
You have 48 hours to stop the killing.

"This is a real pickle," said Epignosis.
"Ooh! We were supposed to get pickles!"

Well damnola.

Dear god. That hospital episode has been my favorite so far. I couldn't stop laughing and now I've started again

Outlook not so good

Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

Whoa! Again, I was at a wedding. Even if I hadn't been, that's a super early vote. Gimme a chance to talk during the day, maybe. Trying to head off a lynch train on yourself?

Just so I'm clear, are Epi and sig's recent posts about Killface role-based process of elimination, or just suspicions of what looks like baddie behavior? I'm not seeing how it could be the former, but they seem so certain that it reads that way.

Russtifinko wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

Whoa! Again, I was at a wedding. Even if I hadn't been, that's a super early vote. Gimme a chance to talk during the day, maybe. Trying to head off a lynch train on yourself?

Signs point to yes

Russtifinko wrote:Just so I'm clear, are Epi and sig's recent posts about Killface role-based process of elimination,

My reply is no

Russtifinko wrote:or just suspicions of what looks like baddie behavior?

As I see it, yes

G-Man wrote:

Never saw any of that from an 8-ball.

Epignosis wrote:Never saw any of that from an 8-ball.

Without a doubt

Oh Magic Eight Ball, for whom would you vote?

Epignosis wrote:Oh Magic Eight Ball, for whom would you vote?

thellama73 wrote:Player List
2. S~V~S
3. Epignosis
5. Nijuukyugou
8. Sig
10. G-Man
11. Spacedaisy replaced by Russtifinko
13. Roxy
18. DisgruntledPorcupine
22. Saberfish

Yes definitely
Don't count on it
Cannot predict now
Outlook good
No
Reply hazy try again
Signs point to yes
Cannot predict now
Most likely

WHy kill Mac's Mom he did nothing? Saberfish voted for Mac's Mom he was the only player to do so. Could he have killed Mac's Mom?


@Russtifinko no idea for Epi my posts are a combination of post. I've been harping on my Killerface thoughts since when I started posting.
I think Saberfish is Killerface though I will wait to vote to see everyones thoughts on this

Oh Magic 8 Ball, can you describe your uncertainty with nijuukyugou?

Epignosis wrote:Oh Magic 8 Ball, can you describe your uncertainty with nijuukyugou?

Oh I see. I was under the impression you were considering a vote for her.

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

I don't see where spacedaisy was taking suspicion other than from S~V~S.

S~V~S wrote:I am incredibly over role claims. I am voting Daisy because I think she blew me off and then flopped on MP.

This was the Day 2 vote. I don't see where spacedaisy "flopped" on MP.

Epignosis wrote:Oh I see. I was under the impression you were considering a vote for her.

Oh I see, it is partially a gut read I don't think she is mafia and I know she isn't Killer. She was one of two who voted for Timmer that would have pushed Timmer over the other votes and since he wasn't lynched, I am of the mind she is innocent.

sig wrote:Oh I see, it is partially a gut read I don't think she is mafia and I know she isn't Killer. She was one of two who voted for Timmer that would have pushed Timmer over the other votes and since he wasn't lynched, I am of the mind she is innocent.

thellama73 wrote:
Killface - Supervillain out to push the Earth into the Sun. Incredibly strong. His vote counts double.

G-Man wrote:

The Day 1 vote would cause a tie, but so would the Day 3 vote (if Old Spice wasn't involved). That would mean two close calls, before outing herself as Killface Day 4 to ditch a teammate.

I don't see it.

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Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

I don't see where spacedaisy was taking suspicion other than from S~V~S.

And I am not a someone? Yes she was taking suspicion from me. Does suspicion from me not count?

S~V~S wrote:I am incredibly over role claims. I am voting Daisy because I think she blew me off and then flopped on MP.

This was the Day 2 vote. I don't see where spacedaisy "flopped" on MP.

Then you need to reread her very few posts very carefully.

She's bad. Which mean Russti is bad. I am not bad. You just want me to be

... to justify all the bluster & charts & shit.

S~V~S wrote:Replies inthis color.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

I don't see where spacedaisy was taking suspicion other than from S~V~S.

And I am not a someone? Yes she was taking suspicion from me. Does suspicion from me not count?

S~V~S wrote:I am incredibly over role claims. I am voting Daisy because I think she blew me off and then flopped on MP.

This was the Day 2 vote. I don't see where spacedaisy "flopped" on MP.

Then you need to reread her very few posts very carefully.

She's bad. Which mean Russti is bad. I am not bad. You just want me to be

No. I actually don't want that.

And no, suspicion from you alone does not count when you are the one saying someone is taking suspicion. The claim has no meat. Suggesting that it does implies that everyone in the game who has been suspected from anyone at any time is "taking suspicion."

If you want me to vote Russ, I need to be convinced, and I can be convinced. "She's bad" won't do it though.

Gotta theory in my skull. Gotta let it rattle around a bit.

OK.

I am prepared to lynch Russtifinko, but I would like a close second by one vote- Saberfish. Can that be arranged?

Epignosis wrote:And no, suspicion from you alone does not count when you are the one saying someone is taking suspicion. The claim has no meat. Suggesting that it does implies that everyone in the game who has been suspected from anyone at any time is "taking suspicion."

If you want me to vote Russ, I need to be convinced, and I can be convinced. "She's bad" won't do it though.

Thats what "taking suspicion" means; someone is suspicious of them. This is valid whether it is you or it is I. And I am amazed that you are not seeing the flop Daisy made; perhaps becasue she was buddying up to you as she made it?

And re Saberfish, I am not particularly suspicious or not suspicious of him. But if you can arrange that, i have no problem with it.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And no, suspicion from you alone does not count when you are the one saying someone is taking suspicion. The claim has no meat. Suggesting that it does implies that everyone in the game who has been suspected from anyone at any time is "taking suspicion."

If you want me to vote Russ, I need to be convinced, and I can be convinced. "She's bad" won't do it though.

Thats what "taking suspicion" means; someone is suspicious of them. This is valid whether it is you or it is I. And I am amazed that you are not seeing the flop Daisy made; perhaps becasue she was buddying up to you as she made it?

And re Saberfish, I am not particularly suspicious or not suspicious of him. But if you can arrange that, i have no problem with it.

If you were to point out where spacedaisy made her flop on MP, I'd appreciate it.

Epignosis wrote:OK.

I am prepared to lynch Russtifinko, but I would like a close second by one vote- Saberfish. Can that be arranged?

Outlook good

And everyone has been "taking suspicion." That's my point. Saying someone is taking suspicion is pointless. We're in Day 5 with nine people left. Everyone has been taking suspicion.

But no need to get technical. I would like to see where spacedaisy flopped on MP.

And I told you to read her posts. there were two big ones, and that's about it. She came in and basically ripped apart my suspicions of both of you, then came in and made a big post saying MP was bad for odd reasons, and not really referring to her previous post at all. The whole thing just made no sense to me, when you read the two posts one after the other.

Not buying it. I think they both were bad, and she was bussing him becasue wedding.

Sorry for not being around.

I am willing to lynch Saberfish. If Epi was right about all the mafia being new players I will never hear the end of it in future games.

I am beginning to wonder if SVS knows something that we all don't - specifically that Daisy now Russti is bad. I personally did not read Daisy as bad but thought MP was. I am only going on gut maybe SVS has more than just gut. Idk but we do have time to discuss.

I liked the vote analysis it will give me something to pour over before tomorrows lynch.

S~V~S wrote:And I told you to read her posts. there were two big ones, and that's about it. She came in and basically ripped apart my suspicions of both of you, then came in and made a big post saying MP was bad for odd reasons, and not really referring to her previous post at all. The whole thing just made no sense to me, when you read the two posts one after the other.

Not buying it. I think they both were bad, and she was bussing him becasue wedding.

I read her posts. Twice. It's why I said twice that I don't see what you are seeing.

Here are her eight posts. I read them twice. I did not see what you are seeing. Please show me what you are seeing. Where did she "flop" on MP?

Roxy wrote:Sorry for not being around.

I am willing to lynch Saberfish. If Epi was right about all the mafia being new players I will never hear the end of it in future games.

I am beginning to wonder if SVS knows something that we all don't - specifically that Daisy now Russti is bad. I personally did not read Daisy as bad but thought MP was. I am only going on gut maybe SVS has more than just gut. Idk but we do have time to discuss.

I liked the vote analysis it will give me something to pour over before tomorrows lynch.

Can we organize lynching Russ and putting Saberfish a vote behind? If so, I think I'm on board.

I just told you, if you don't see it I am sorry. I am not going to do a word for word analysis, or decide she is bad due to a specific word or whatever it is.

But I have been playing with Daisy since 2009, and I do see it. She shot me down, buddied up to you in the process, then she changed her mind about MP. It was awkward and weird, and civ Daisy did not write that stuff.

S~V~S wrote:I just told you, if you don't see it I am sorry. I am not going to do a word for word analysis, or decide she is bad due to a specific word or whatever it is.

But I have been playing with Daisy since 2009, and I do see it. She shot me down, buddied up to you in the process, then she changed her mind about MP. It was awkward and weird, and civ Daisy did not write that stuff.

I'm asking for a link. To a post. Preferably a quote where you underlined where it happened. It's 8 posts. 8.

I don't feel that spacedaisy buddied up to me. I don't see where she flopped on MP. Just give me a link. Your playing history doesn't interest me. A post to what you are talking about does.

I want to get it right.

I want to believe you.

Here is the link to her 8 posts:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 0&sr=posts

The totality of them reads I AM FUCKING BAD and I AM TEAMMATES WITH MP. I am not going to underline specific words becasue ALL of the words say she is bad. Every single one of them. Jumping Jehosephat, are you the only person allowed to come in her and make blanket statements with no specific proof and expect people to take you seriously?

I linked you to her eight posts. I've read those. Three times now.

Look, I get it. You and Roxy are Hooker and Old Spice. You have info. I understand.

Jesus.

Voting Russ. Whatever.