The Syndicate

Lorab, stop defending yourself. If you are good, then who is bad? Go.

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Really shitty to learn that Robert Crawley is dead.

Why are you saying this now?

I lamented his death before and I'll say that as much as I want. I was thinking about how Day 4 is going to be and I remembered that no matter what happens, at dawn we'll have a dead guy among us. And it won't be mafia.

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Really shitty to learn that Robert Crawley is dead.

Why are you saying this now?

I lamented his death before and I'll say that as much as I want. I was thinking about how Day 4 is going to be and I remembered that no matter what happens, at dawn we'll have a dead guy among us. And it won't be mafia.

Bullshit.

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Really shitty to learn that Robert Crawley is dead.

Why are you saying this now?

I lamented his death before and I'll say that as much as I want. I was thinking about how Day 4 is going to be and I remembered that no matter what happens, at dawn we'll have a dead guy among us. And it won't be mafia.

Bullshit.

How so?

Epignosis wrote:Lorab, stop defending yourself. If you are good, then who is bad? Go.

If people stop making cases about me, I'll stop defending. In the meantime, I would like to preserve my life.

Who is bad? As I said, I still have an eye on Wilgy. Not a huge suspicion, but he's on the list of people I'm carefully watching.

I eyeballed that one post of Ika's, but I don't really suspect him overall. That one post made my eyebrow twitch.

As I said, I'm now thinking about the folks who bandwagoned me. I realize that no one else knows that I'm civ, but I know that I am, so I'm thinking of it that way. I can't help but think that Daisy was being saved with votes for me--look at the order of votes in the lynch poll--I start getting votes outside of Epi's after Daisy has several votes on her.

In all, of those who voted me, I don't actually supect you, Epi, even though you were an early and vocal voice against me. I think your suspicion of me, while misguided, is your honest opinion.

Nero's vote was suspicious--he didn't really mention me before that, and didn't really say much when he voted, just that he was convinced. Seems like a baddie vote adding votes on to the chosen target and to save a teammate. Matt, I have no idea. DF we know was civ. MM has been reading civ to me, but I'm not so good at reading MM. Sig is a question mark. Polo I am starting to suspect because he's been playing the newbie card a bit, and because from the vote order, it looks like he was jumping onto my lynch because then he could hide.

Of those that didn't vote for me, I suspect Scotty a bit. I feel like he was twisting things and presenting facts in a skewed way in order to make me look bad. He also, by not voting for me, could be setting up for later in the game so that a glance at votes won't show that he was a prime player in the lynch train against me. In my experience, it is baddies who plant the seeds for a bandwagon, and they then let the civies do the bulk of the dirty work. In this case, I think that Scotty planted the seeds...but i also think that there are those that voted for me for nefarious reasons.

So, I'm mostly looking at Daisy and Scotty, and to a lesser extent Polo. Wilgy is a tier down from that. The others I mention here (or whom I'm not thinking of at the moment) are all in various places of no idea to I think they're civ.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Lorab, stop defending yourself. If you are good, then who is bad? Go.

If people stop making cases about me, I'll stop defending. In the meantime, I would like to preserve my life.

Who is bad? As I said, I still have an eye on Wilgy. Not a huge suspicion, but he's on the list of people I'm carefully watching.

I eyeballed that one post of Ika's, but I don't really suspect him overall. That one post made my eyebrow twitch.

As I said, I'm now thinking about the folks who bandwagoned me. I realize that no one else knows that I'm civ, but I know that I am, so I'm thinking of it that way. I can't help but think that Daisy was being saved with votes for me--look at the order of votes in the lynch poll--I start getting votes outside of Epi's after Daisy has several votes on her.

In all, of those who voted me, I don't actually supect you, Epi, even though you were an early and vocal voice against me. I think your suspicion of me, while misguided, is your honest opinion.

Nero's vote was suspicious--he didn't really mention me before that, and didn't really say much when he voted, just that he was convinced. Seems like a baddie vote adding votes on to the chosen target and to save a teammate. Matt, I have no idea. DF we know was civ. MM has been reading civ to me, but I'm not so good at reading MM. Sig is a question mark. Polo I am starting to suspect because he's been playing the newbie card a bit, and because from the vote order, it looks like he was jumping onto my lynch because then he could hide.

Of those that didn't vote for me, I suspect Scotty a bit. I feel like he was twisting things and presenting facts in a skewed way in order to make me look bad. He also, by not voting for me, could be setting up for later in the game so that a glance at votes won't show that he was a prime player in the lynch train against me. In my experience, it is baddies who plant the seeds for a bandwagon, and they then let the civies do the bulk of the dirty work. In this case, I think that Scotty planted the seeds...but i also think that there are those that voted for me for nefarious reasons.

So, I'm mostly looking at Daisy and Scotty, and to a lesser extent Polo. Wilgy is a tier down from that. The others I mention here (or whom I'm not thinking of at the moment) are all in various places of no idea to I think they're civ.

If Daisy were being saved as you hypothesize, how would that look in relation to me? Am I jumping on a bus opportunity early?
I want to say i don't suspect you any more, but the truth is I found myself taking more of a break from you and following a leap of faith against Spacedaisy, who, btw, appears to me more and more of a baddie attempting to claw and scrape her way out of the toaster.

You call me setting up seeds, I call letting my seeds sit on the sill unplanted because I'm uncertain if they will grow into an illegal marijuana plant or a sensible Rhubarb bush.

S~V~S wrote:Who wants a rhubarb bush

I happen to love rhubarb.

llama might be scum with dasiy

ika wrote:llama might be scum with dasiy

Seriously?

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Who wants a rhubarb bush

I happen to love rhubarb.

I love illegal plants

S~V~S wrote:Who wants a rhubarb bush

Don't judge me

Scotty wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Lorab, stop defending yourself. If you are good, then who is bad? Go.

If people stop making cases about me, I'll stop defending. In the meantime, I would like to preserve my life.

Who is bad? As I said, I still have an eye on Wilgy. Not a huge suspicion, but he's on the list of people I'm carefully watching.

I eyeballed that one post of Ika's, but I don't really suspect him overall. That one post made my eyebrow twitch.

As I said, I'm now thinking about the folks who bandwagoned me. I realize that no one else knows that I'm civ, but I know that I am, so I'm thinking of it that way. I can't help but think that Daisy was being saved with votes for me--look at the order of votes in the lynch poll--I start getting votes outside of Epi's after Daisy has several votes on her.

In all, of those who voted me, I don't actually supect you, Epi, even though you were an early and vocal voice against me. I think your suspicion of me, while misguided, is your honest opinion.

Nero's vote was suspicious--he didn't really mention me before that, and didn't really say much when he voted, just that he was convinced. Seems like a baddie vote adding votes on to the chosen target and to save a teammate. Matt, I have no idea. DF we know was civ. MM has been reading civ to me, but I'm not so good at reading MM. Sig is a question mark. Polo I am starting to suspect because he's been playing the newbie card a bit, and because from the vote order, it looks like he was jumping onto my lynch because then he could hide.

Of those that didn't vote for me, I suspect Scotty a bit. I feel like he was twisting things and presenting facts in a skewed way in order to make me look bad. He also, by not voting for me, could be setting up for later in the game so that a glance at votes won't show that he was a prime player in the lynch train against me. In my experience, it is baddies who plant the seeds for a bandwagon, and they then let the civies do the bulk of the dirty work. In this case, I think that Scotty planted the seeds...but i also think that there are those that voted for me for nefarious reasons.

So, I'm mostly looking at Daisy and Scotty, and to a lesser extent Polo. Wilgy is a tier down from that. The others I mention here (or whom I'm not thinking of at the moment) are all in various places of no idea to I think they're civ.

If Daisy were being saved as you hypothesize, how would that look in relation to me? Am I jumping on a bus opportunity early?
I want to say i don't suspect you any more, but the truth is I found myself taking more of a break from you and following a leap of faith against Spacedaisy, who, btw, appears to me more and more of a baddie attempting to claw and scrape her way out of the toaster.

You call me setting up seeds, I call letting my seeds sit on the sill unplanted because I'm uncertain if they will grow into an illegal marijuana plant or a sensible Rhubarb bush.

You should totally plant those muthas!

I won't be around much for the night. When does it end? I'll be back here this evening EST.

Bloody hell. That is not how I wanted that lynch to go.

Sig (I think it was sig) asked me why I voted LoRab when I was not wanting to do so-- because she was my strongest suspish at the time.

I am going to be at work unil midnight tonight, so I will catch y'all on the flip side.

Illyria wrote:Bloody hell. That is not how I wanted that lynch to go.

Sig (I think it was sig) asked me why I voted LoRab when I was not wanting to do so-- because she was my strongest suspish at the time.

I am going to be at work unil midnight tonight, so I will catch y'all on the flip side.

Yup it was me, thanks for answering.

Hmm... Sig are you bad?

Wilgy, are you bad?

Yes!

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... Sig are you bad?

No,

DrWilgy wrote:Yes!

If you actually are bad, this might be the most brilliant move I've seen from you yet.

Oh, the anxiety

Polo wrote:Oh, the anxiety

Damn, man.

I am still pretty suspicious of Daisy, but Edith's request to move on compels me to say that I'm starting to feel bad about Epignosis. His cool, calculating style this game makes me suspect a baddie Epi.

Eloh, can we have a poll so we can vote to lynch people? I want to lynch people.

thellama73 wrote:I am still pretty suspicious of Daisy, but Edith's request to move on compels me to say that I'm starting to feel bad about Epignosis. His cool, calculating style this game makes me suspect a baddie Epi.

She said she feels good about me. Can't you read? I've really been digging my heals in, man!

I didn't see my name on the poll and thought I was dead. But I'm alive right? That was a bit of a scary moment, or as my three year old says "Skearey!".

I'm not sure who I'll be looking at today yet. This game is hard.

Do we wanna lynch Sig today?

DrWilgy wrote:Do we wanna lynch Sig today?

Maybe, how about llama first?

No and no.

I'm at work now but when I get how in a couple hours I will post a list of the people I suspect and am possibly interested in voting.

DrWilgy wrote:Do we wanna lynch Sig today?

Nah that sounds like a bad idea, why do you want to lynch Sig? He hasn't done anything scummy yet.

Also RIP Polo hope to see you again.

Can someone weight in on Sorsha's scum meta? I recall her being less active as mafia in EST and another game I played with her I think? However, I can't remember how active she usually is.

Spacedaisy wrote:No and no.

I'm at work now but when I get how in a couple hours I will post a list of the people I suspect and am possibly interested in voting.

we can lynch you instead

So did a very quick read over of Sorsha not much there, she goes after Bubbles quite a bit and is the first vote on Bubbles day 2, in which Bubbles flips civ. I really dislike that, as well as her reasoning for the bubbles lynch.

Day 1 she misses her vote, and day 3 she votes for LC avoiding the LoRab wagon.

I want to mainly bring attention to the fact she helped to start the bubbles and was the first vote on the Bubbles wagon. We do know DF wasn't mafia so it doesn't help a huge amount, but I do find that interesting.

Overall I'm not sure what to think of her, but she hasn't been very active and I'd say both her votes are very strange.

Not much on Polo, active player lots of reads a few posts stuck out to me.

Day 2

Polo wrote:

Matt wrote:

Polo wrote:

Matt wrote:Polo - Of all time or on this site?

Of all time; I don't include Avant Mafia 1 (@Progarchives) because that was a good 6 years ago.

Oh. I didn't know that. I thought you were just new to this site.

Give me a name of a non-absentee who you think might be bad.

You, Wilgy, Sorsha.

Three potential mafia reads right here.

Polo wrote:

sig wrote:

sig wrote:I see three scenarios here.

1. Ika is mafia and killed Silver before she could get a strong read on him.
2. Someone killed Silver to frame Ika, this points to an experienced mafia member.
3. Silver mainly talked about DF, Epi, and LC around the time of her death and EOD. One of them is mafia and killed her.

I'm requoting this, the more I think about the more likely it is to be true, plus I think all three would think that Ika could be framed for Silver's death. I'll do the leg work for it over the phase, I'm just throwing out some thoughts right now.

Are you and ika both mafia?

I'm not sure if Silverwolf's suspicions really were spot-on before the first nightkill; I believe she did not have enough time to gather much information and the mafia might have killed her just because they know how good she can be at reading people as the game progresses.

But it's still a possibility that one of those is mafia. For reasons I've already stated, I believe Epignosis is civ, but I'm not sure about DFaraday and Long Con.

One thing to consider: maybe the mafia did not vote for BWT because no mafia was among the lynch candidates on D1 and they abstained from jumping on bandwagontarget11 because they wouldn't raise suspicion on themselves.

Out of the people Silverwolf was talking about, Long Con did not vote for BWT; he voted DFaraday on D1 and on D2, when there was a tie between Bubbles/Bea and DFaraday.

Just thinking out loud here.

So he was wrong about DF, that leaves LC and Ika.

It is important to note he was killed Night 3 and we are still on day 2, I think if he was getting close they'd have killed him sooner.

AAAAA big post here a point I really like from day 3

Polo wrote:

ika wrote:read the end of your post i quoted, you said "IF I FLIP CIV"

You know ika, your attitude in this game is very different from EST mafia. You've been much more aggressive. What happened?

Day 3 he was killed that night, I don't think it is a coincidence he suspected Ika and was then killed. I'm starting to believe more and more that Ika is mafia, potentially with Llama as a teammate. I'd like to lynch Ika today.

VOTE IKA

I'll ISO him soon.

besides that not much from Polo some early suss on Dom, but he later reads him as civ. As well as daisy and a slight civ read on Ika and maybe on Epi. This actually adds more weight to my Ika theory. Kill the player who suspected then changed his stance on you. It gets rid of an issue and isn't as likely to lead back to the killer.

Where is everyone.

@Illyria what do you think of me right know? Who are your top three civ and mafia reads.


@Everyone can you clue me in on Illyria's meta? Is she usually so jokey about serious stuff like lynch votes on her? I've seen a few things one in particular which I'll link and I'm unsure if she is being playful or manipulative. (Not in a bad way, but in like a you might be mafia and I wanna kill you way :P)

Illyria wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm putting a vote on Illy right now. I didn't love her responses to being suspected and I'm going to be out for the rest of teh day.

That hurts young man.

Illyria wrote:

ika wrote:

Illyria wrote:
Sure. I got into Mafia from way back (lostpedia, then the piano, then Hedville), I left for a while because I was getting my Masters. That is done, and I saw MP's PM about the changes in the forum. I love Dowton and that is about the it.

I am sure other people can tell you better than I can my playstyle (if they remember).

Well, how would you evaulate your town and scum plays?

I am sorry, I don't understand this question. Do you mean historically? I am a good civvie, not so much good at being a baddie, and a decent host. That help?

Ugh so sorry for multiposts, but I've found time to play and catch up so to bad.
Is this a good explanation of her meta? Or is she tweaking it a bit to seem like a worse baddie then she is.

Illyria wrote:

Dom wrote:Illy, I think BR said something that's true. Maybe nuanced is a better word than sneaky.

Dude, you know right now I think every single one of you is evil. So why would I buy that?

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:Illy, I think BR said something that's true. Maybe nuanced is a better word than sneaky.

I think that is well-put and bang-on. "Sneaky" is pretty negative, something important to differentiate when you're talking about a guy with 4 votes already on Day 1.

Uh huh. So does that mean BR is trying to toss him under the bus w/o looking like it or are you trying to make me doubt LoRab?? HMMMMMM????


Gah I forgot how crazy making this game is.

Is this just Illyria making a zstatement or is this more of a mafia technique to explain her activity/lack of reads?


Besides that we've got lots of fluff which is NAI, and she seems to talk to Dom alot. From what I've seen in other threads they just seem to be very friendly with each other so that's also NAI.
Overall I'm not sure what to think of her. Some stuff seems like something the mafia would do, other things not so much.
I'd need a few people to weight in with meta reads please.

sig wrote:Can someone weight in on Sorsha's scum meta? I recall her being less active as mafia in EST and another game I played with her I think? However, I can't remember how active she usually is.

I'm just busy and the other game I am in is in the final stage or two so it's taking most of my Mafia time atm

As for my Bubbles vote and lynch result there. I really don't care that she was a civ, she would not have been a help to us and would likely have been a mislynch later in the game anyway. So meh I'd do it again. If that makes me suspicious I don't care.

I don't really know who I'm even suspicious of this game, I'll devote more time here when the other game is over. Sorry.

"Meta" is foolishness.

Sorsha wrote:

sig wrote:Can someone weight in on Sorsha's scum meta? I recall her being less active as mafia in EST and another game I played with her I think? However, I can't remember how active she usually is.

I'm just busy and the other game I am in is in the final stage or two so it's taking most of my Mafia time atm

As for my Bubbles vote and lynch result there. I really don't care that she was a civ, she would not have been a help to us and would likely have been a mislynch later in the game anyway. So meh I'd do it again. If that makes me suspicious I don't care.

I don't really know who I'm even suspicious of this game, I'll devote more time here when the other game is over. Sorry.

Well that wasn't a very fun response.
:P

Though I actually did like it, I'd rather not lynch Sorsha right now.

thellama73 wrote:Eloh, can we have a poll so we can vote to lynch people? I want to lynch people.

Such impatience :P

I don't know about when you host, but I feel compelled to get out the PMs first before the poll. We wouldn't want a silenced person to talk or an insanified person to speak clearly, now would we?

Sorsha wrote:

sig wrote:Can someone weight in on Sorsha's scum meta? I recall her being less active as mafia in EST and another game I played with her I think? However, I can't remember how active she usually is.

I'm just busy and the other game I am in is in the final stage or two so it's taking most of my Mafia time atm

As for my Bubbles vote and lynch result there. I really don't care that she was a civ, she would not have been a help to us and would likely have been a mislynch later in the game anyway. So meh I'd do it again. If that makes me suspicious I don't care.

I don't really know who I'm even suspicious of this game, I'll devote more time here when the other game is over. Sorry.

But Bubbles was replaced.

Epignosis wrote:"Meta" is foolishness.

I disagree. Though if you won't talk meta what do you think of her slightly manipulative posts and comments about how fast and crazy the game is.


linki: That is actually a good point I forgot about that. @Sorsha why did you keep your vote on bubbles/Bea when she was replaced with an active player?

Epignosis wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

sig wrote:Can someone weight in on Sorsha's scum meta? I recall her being less active as mafia in EST and another game I played with her I think? However, I can't remember how active she usually is.

I'm just busy and the other game I am in is in the final stage or two so it's taking most of my Mafia time atm

As for my Bubbles vote and lynch result there. I really don't care that she was a civ, she would not have been a help to us and would likely have been a mislynch later in the game anyway. So meh I'd do it again. If that makes me suspicious I don't care.

I don't really know who I'm even suspicious of this game, I'll devote more time here when the other game is over. Sorry.

But Bubbles was replaced.

After I voted. I was gone by then and not back in the thread until the lynch was over.