Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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You're not dying tonight silly. It's DrumBeats.Turnip Head wrote:Matt, Epi, Lorab, Scotty. Them's the suspects. Likely in that order.
In case I die tonight, I'm not Pam and I know nothing.
Infuriatingly.S~V~S wrote:How did the civvie inactives act, Epi?
I still remember the last time you told me thatEpignosis wrote:You're not dying tonight silly. It's DrumBeats.Turnip Head wrote:Matt, Epi, Lorab, Scotty. Them's the suspects. Likely in that order.
In case I die tonight, I'm not Pam and I know nothing.
That ain't how I do.DrumBeats wrote:@ linki Epi, if you've got something to say on the topic, just please say it instead of talking around it vaguely.
I don't know. From my experience hosting him, he had no problem asking those sorts of questions in PM's. Not sure why he asked the thread.DrumBeats wrote:@ linki TH - What do you think of Matt's question about whether it would be night 3.2 or 4 on the second night? If he's mafia I would guess he's Jo personally.
I don't think SVS *has* a motive here. If that was unclear. I think the simplest solution is she didn't get caught in a failed baddie plan, she got caught in a good baddie plan that's attempting to take a civ SVS down.Turnip Head wrote:So you think that she was forced by a civilian to vote a certain way, and instead of just doing that and not arousing suspicion, she also forced the lynch to end early, shining the spotlight solely in her direction... while simultaneously hoping that the baddie vote forcer she knows exists will be revealed after the civvie vote forcer she also knows exists, her very life depending on this gamble. Also you're assuming that SVS knew Quin was bad even though he was revealed as a civilian role? Maybe that part was a typo.Scotty wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if a baddie were making that play, they wouldn't know when the complete list of roles would be revealed. And by that point, maybe the waters would be muddied enough that the damage would have been done. Let's say that there IS a civilian forced on even nights, and forced a BAD SVS to vote Quin, they would know Quin is bad so they could hide behind the premise that a) SVS would never do that as bad and b) there is a civilian vote forcer that forced her, so it's really out of her hands.
I think it's a hard road right now to come back from without complete WIFOM.
I'm so lost as to what people think SVS's motive is here. I guess we think she wants to be lynched.
Someone please walk me through this from point A to point B.
No.Turnip Head wrote:Dom: Would Toby's lynch switch power allow him to end the Day early?
you know up there where you said you missed TH?Enrique wrote:The way I see it, SVS trying to pull this off would be ridiculous, because it'd be so much easier to just... you know... not do it.Turnip Head wrote:So you think that she was forced by a civilian to vote a certain way, and instead of just doing that and not arousing suspicion, she also forced the lynch to end early, shining the spotlight solely in her direction... while simultaneously hoping that the baddie vote forcer she knows exists will be revealed after the civvie vote forcer she also knows exists, her very life depending on this gamble. Also you're assuming that SVS knew Quin was bad even though he was revealed as a civilian role? Maybe that part was a typo.Scotty wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if a baddie were making that play, they wouldn't know when the complete list of roles would be revealed. And by that point, maybe the waters would be muddied enough that the damage would have been done. Let's say that there IS a civilian forced on even nights, and forced a BAD SVS to vote Quin, they would know Quin is bad so they could hide behind the premise that a) SVS would never do that as bad and b) there is a civilian vote forcer that forced her, so it's really out of her hands.
I think it's a hard road right now to come back from without complete WIFOM.
I'm so lost as to what people think SVS's motive is here. I guess we think she wants to be lynched.
Someone please walk me through this from point A to point B.
I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on meSorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.
I'm reading both of these roles as civ unless we learn of a recruiting element. Till then, they are civ in my book.Turnip Head wrote:Gabe was a corporate employee, and corporate is the most likely group for the baddies. Ryan is the Fire Guy, and he started the fire. Probably a civ, though he did work at corporate for a while.
I was too, but Dom's old and outdated character list had Gabe listed under corporate, so I think that is very likely to be true in the revised setup.bea wrote:I'm reading both of these roles as civ unless we learn of a recruiting element. Till then, they are civ in my book.Turnip Head wrote:Gabe was a corporate employee, and corporate is the most likely group for the baddies. Ryan is the Fire Guy, and he started the fire. Probably a civ, though he did work at corporate for a while.
I get why you are saying that, but it wasn't the case. Simply put - I posted while I was catching up yes. I never went back and addendumed it because I was tired and went to bed and said eff it.LoRab wrote:Other than the fact that "students of LoRab" made me guffaw, I'm confused by this post. You speak as if JJJ is still alive, even though this came after the night post (and I know you post as you catch up, so that's fine), but then you talk about the fact that he might not make. And i don't think you ever went back to correct yourself on him not surviving the night. This almost reads as if you knew he was going to die.bea wrote:I don't work that way DB. I work backwards.
tbh, I usually need a few days on SVS and you see I keep finding scenarios where she could still be bad, but honestly, if I use Occum, she reads and feels more civ to me than most.
I'm sad Wilgy died now that I know he was the tracker. Go back and look at my answer and ask yourself, would I have been talking about anyone but SVS? Or maybe Wabbit and Epi?
I felt good about JJ before he claimed/notclaimed indi. JJ - the students of Lorab are watching you. I currently see no reason to not keep him around. But I will flip a bitch as fast as you if make me think you are not working with the civs. As long as he's helpful he's ok. There will - if he lives - a long enough time where his survivial won't be ok. I reserve the right to lynch him when it's time for the potential indy to go. I think deep in his heart he is a civ leaning indy. I'm ok with letting him prove me right or wrong.
I trust a few others. Reading my posts will help you figure out who.
I'd like to hear more from indi and lorab and splintsy just cuz it's all us!! And come on -this is a fun time!!!
sig's still playing right? And he's the low poster I *remember* is playing. I"d like to hear from anyone who has less posts than sig.
linki - what the fucking fuck. Ok - more backtracking.
Then again, Toby works for HR which is corporate, so he's not really a part of our family.DrumBeats wrote:I was too, but Dom's old and outdated character list had Gabe listed under corporate, so I think that is very likely to be true in the revised setup.bea wrote:I'm reading both of these roles as civ unless we learn of a recruiting element. Till then, they are civ in my book.Turnip Head wrote:Gabe was a corporate employee, and corporate is the most likely group for the baddies. Ryan is the Fire Guy, and he started the fire. Probably a civ, though he did work at corporate for a while.
Golden wrote:Pretty sure it's me that is dying.
a2thezebra wrote:Cool, I'll check it out.Turnip Head wrote:It's Pennsatucky from Orange is the New Black. The actress is Taryn Manning.a2thezebra wrote:Who is that in your profile pic Turnip?
Au contrair (sp) Du fromage! I think you are contributing great! I'll never get on someone's back for not posting due to IRL reasons- hell I do the same, so that would be hypocritical for me to say otherwise. So any and all contributions you can give are great!bea wrote:I don't think SVS *has* a motive here. If that was unclear. I think the simplest solution is she didn't get caught in a failed baddie plan, she got caught in a good baddie plan that's attempting to take a civ SVS down.Turnip Head wrote:So you think that she was forced by a civilian to vote a certain way, and instead of just doing that and not arousing suspicion, she also forced the lynch to end early, shining the spotlight solely in her direction... while simultaneously hoping that the baddie vote forcer she knows exists will be revealed after the civvie vote forcer she also knows exists, her very life depending on this gamble. Also you're assuming that SVS knew Quin was bad even though he was revealed as a civilian role? Maybe that part was a typo.Scotty wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if a baddie were making that play, they wouldn't know when the complete list of roles would be revealed. And by that point, maybe the waters would be muddied enough that the damage would have been done. Let's say that there IS a civilian forced on even nights, and forced a BAD SVS to vote Quin, they would know Quin is bad so they could hide behind the premise that a) SVS would never do that as bad and b) there is a civilian vote forcer that forced her, so it's really out of her hands.
I think it's a hard road right now to come back from without complete WIFOM.
I'm so lost as to what people think SVS's motive is here. I guess we think she wants to be lynched.
Someone please walk me through this from point A to point B.
Like I said, the *only* way I could see SVS as bad is if she was outvoted bts and she's teaching her puppies a lesson. I really don't think that's what's happening here though.
I know you weren't talking to me, but I wanted to make sure it was known where I stand in case there was any question.
Also - I just got home and here's the start of me catching up.
RL is cray-cray like normal. As soon as this game starts, one of the GM's in our area got himself fired. My old GM and I split temp running that store as well as our own stores. I spent 3 hours today running from store to store putting out fires and fixing things. I ran into my boss during one of them and was all like "Dude! It's hard to be you!" As such, I'm trying very hard to make sure my fewer posts have meat to them. I hope I'm doing ok.
She def didn't like Epi. Maybe she had some beef with him? And not the Taco Bell kind. Everyone knows that aint realS~V~S wrote:If Drumbeats says there is any information that says I am bad, as opposed to opinion, he is dead wrong. Since I am not bad.Scotty wrote:Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.
Then Epi and Matt.
But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.
Bad: Epignosis
Not Bad: Me
Whom should they have killed?DrumBeats wrote:Wtf. That kill makes no sense regardless of SVS's alignment
I like this post and echo the sentiments.Scotty wrote:Sorsha currently has 5 posts. This is her last:What are your current thoughts based on what SVS has said?Sorsha wrote:And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075S~V~S wrote:There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.Sorsha wrote:G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight
RIP Quin
This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.
The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.
Who else do you suspect right now?
What are you opinions since Jo was revealed, and SVS has responded to a myriad of concerns?indiglo wrote:Reading that post in context, I'm gathering that G-Man waited until the last possible minute to change his vote to where it was allegedly forced, and SVS saying that is how she would vote too if she were forced. Ie, wait until the last possible minute, so as not to begin a band wagon on someone who you don't know or don't think is bad.
Again, this jibes with what I know of SVS. We came up in a culture of non-changeable votes. Therefore we have ALWAYS been the type who hold our votes to as close to the end as we can. That early vote from her pings me the most. That's what makes me think she's quite possibly bad. It is just so opposite of her normal voting behavior. Whether she's forced to vote a certain way, or not, she's not an early voter unless she absolutely has to be (like, won't be here at EoD, etc).
Who are your top baddie reads right now?
I'm a low flier.Scotty wrote:So much for those reads she was gonna do tonight.
This was her last real declaration, and she kept hammering it home:She def didn't like Epi. Maybe she had some beef with him? And not the Taco Bell kind. Everyone knows that aint realS~V~S wrote:If Drumbeats says there is any information that says I am bad, as opposed to opinion, he is dead wrong. Since I am not bad.Scotty wrote:Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.
Then Epi and Matt.
But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.
Bad: Epignosis
Not Bad: Me
Virtually anybody else lol.Epignosis wrote:Whom should they have killed?DrumBeats wrote:Wtf. That kill makes no sense regardless of SVS's alignment
Interesting....Gabe – Gabe is infinitely awkward. He blocks one person each even night.
NEUTRAL – Can win with anyone
Bandit – Bandit is Angela’s cat. He is adept at falling out of ceilings. Bandit is a sly cat and can spy on people. Bandit selects one player each night. Bandit can do one of the following:
1. Role Check
2. Target Check
3. See if They Were Targeted
But Bandit must use all other powers before repeating one.
Moze – Moze is Dwight’s cousin. He has lots of beets. A beet gives you an extra vote. Moze can give someone a beet each night. He cannot give beets to himself. Beets must be used the day period they are sent otherwise, they go bad.
Scotty wrote:So much for those reads she was gonna do tonight.
This was her last real declaration, and she kept hammering it home:She def didn't like Epi. Maybe she had some beef with him? And not the Taco Bell kind. Everyone knows that aint realS~V~S wrote:If Drumbeats says there is any information that says I am bad, as opposed to opinion, he is dead wrong. Since I am not bad.Scotty wrote:Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.
Then Epi and Matt.
But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.
Bad: Epignosis
Not Bad: Me
It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.Turnip Head wrote:I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on meSorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.
Gabe's role makes me question Matt's concern over the night number even more. We're currently at a 2 mafia roles involving Day #s to one civ role involving day #s ratio. There's still a shot he could be Stanley or an unknown civ role instead, but judging by his behavior I'm leaning mafia.Scotty wrote:Just added to the front page:Interesting....Gabe – Gabe is infinitely awkward. He blocks one person each even night.
NEUTRAL – Can win with anyone
Bandit – Bandit is Angela’s cat. He is adept at falling out of ceilings. Bandit is a sly cat and can spy on people. Bandit selects one player each night. Bandit can do one of the following:
1. Role Check
2. Target Check
3. See if They Were Targeted
But Bandit must use all other powers before repeating one.
Moze – Moze is Dwight’s cousin. He has lots of beets. A beet gives you an extra vote. Moze can give someone a beet each night. He cannot give beets to himself. Beets must be used the day period they are sent otherwise, they go bad.
Is mafia killing their own common here? Can someone provide me with some games when this has happened?Sorsha wrote:It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.Turnip Head wrote:I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on meSorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.
ripiywg SVS... it's not unheard of for the mafia to kill one of their own. Especially if they thought she would be getting lynched today, plus it saves her team from having to defend her. And it makes everyone go WTF.
I get why I hit this list - but I do hope my most recent posts have helped you get a better read of me.DrumBeats wrote:I think it's plenty fair, there are a ton of players in this game and a decent amount of middle-to-high posters. Three isn't a hard number to name. I agree that Epi is suspicious as well. A lot of posts with very little actual discussion imo.Scotty wrote:Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.
Then Epi and Matt.
But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.
I'd define it right now as the group of people who are straight up barely here. Sorsha, Spacedaisy, Enrique at least. LoRab, timmer, and bea are borderline imo. Maybe juliets too, but thats a recent sub. How do you define it, and which among them are your top suspects?
The mafia team did it in Downton Abbey. It really threw us for a loop when they did it and we lost probably 2 day cycles because of that confusion. But in that situation, the following day lynch was obvious: LC was definitely bad. So to make it weird, they killed him that night.DrumBeats wrote:Is mafia killing their own common here? Can someone provide me with some games when this has happened?Sorsha wrote:It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.Turnip Head wrote:I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on meSorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.
ripiywg SVS... it's not unheard of for the mafia to kill one of their own. Especially if they thought she would be getting lynched today, plus it saves her team from having to defend her. And it makes everyone go WTF.
My team did it in Downton Abbey mafia. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1002DrumBeats wrote:Is mafia killing their own common here? Can someone provide me with some games when this has happened?Sorsha wrote:It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.Turnip Head wrote:I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on meSorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.
ripiywg SVS... it's not unheard of for the mafia to kill one of their own. Especially if they thought she would be getting lynched today, plus it saves her team from having to defend her. And it makes everyone go WTF.
Yeah, I forgot about splints tbh. I'd put splints in the first group rather than borderline.bea wrote:I get why I hit this list - but I do hope my most recent posts have helped you get a better read of me.DrumBeats wrote:I think it's plenty fair, there are a ton of players in this game and a decent amount of middle-to-high posters. Three isn't a hard number to name. I agree that Epi is suspicious as well. A lot of posts with very little actual discussion imo.Scotty wrote:Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.
Then Epi and Matt.
But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.
I'd define it right now as the group of people who are straight up barely here. Sorsha, Spacedaisy, Enrique at least. LoRab, timmer, and bea are borderline imo. Maybe juliets too, but thats a recent sub. How do you define it, and which among them are your top suspects?
I'd add splintsy to the list of "barely there" as well. I mean, if I'm on it, she should be as well I'd think. Were you avoiding mentioning her or did you forget she was playing? Pick one answer to that question please.
as long as we are talking about it - what is "barely there?" What have I not given you that you think you need to get a read on me? My time is SUPER limited and I'm trying like hell not to replace out of a game I looked forward to playing before everything RL went wonky like it always does every game I try to play ever.
If it leads us to that, I wouldn't be averse.DrumBeats wrote:Noted, thanks Scotty/Sorsha. I definitely think that its a possibility, but SVS had a pretty good shot of getting off clean still so idk. Regardless, they probably want us to spend too much time focussing on it today, so I digress.
I'm heavily leaning toward a Matt lynch today. How about everyone else?
