The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

Do you agree that a LC lynch would be illuminative about Epi's alignment?

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

You ain't a damn mafia guru, Epi. Just saying.

Am too.

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Spirityo, GTH, what is your read on...drumroll...Long Con?

Upset Towny

would you vote Long Con to save yourself?

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

I did no such thing. You and Spacedaisy can both go in the corner and pout together.

Start talking about other people or be damned.

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sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Spirityo, GTH, what is your read on...drumroll...Long Con?

Upset Towny

would you vote Long Con to save yourself?

in the current situation? no

if it was just the two of us with no chance of anyone else, yes.

Voted LC.

If you're a townie, sorry.

If you're scum, Merry Christmas.

Ooh, LC, you got Jack's vote.

Soneji wrote:I'd put him in my moderate scum category at this moment. The thing I got pinged by most was the remark about not wanting to split the inactive voters block, which could be chalked up to difference in game philosophy.

I just prefer to have my vote count in a positive way, if possible. If I had voted soup, it might have made a difference and saved Sprit 1.0's life, but in a negative/ignorable way. As in, people wouldn't be saying "hey, good ol' LC saved Sprityo!" It was a gamble, and I lost.

That LC couldn't find much more merit in spirityo's D1 contributions then soup's one post giving excises for not being around is hard to justify though.

To be fair, I wasn't voting based on that direct comparison at the time. Sprityo was one of the "low posters" that I had decided to cast my vote for, and a scan of his 14 posts revealed very little judgable content.

Combined with him saying he doesn't have time to make other reads while he makes lost of posts defending himself/arguing about DDL, I can't see any reason to view him as townish.

It's completely based on the time of year. Approaching Christmas, there was lots to do. Grocery shopping for family coming here, last-minute Christmas shopping, wrapping, cleaning the house from top to bottom, going to work... then family was here on Christmas Eve, and some (just a couple) here today... but today is the turnaround point between me not having enough time, and me having enough time. I'm off work until the 29th. No more family is coming over. No more gifts to buy and wrap, no more obsessive house-cleaning. That is why my participation has gone up sharply.

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DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

Do you agree that a LC lynch would be illuminative about Epi's alignment?

No, but an Epi lynch would be illuminative of LC's. As I don't believe LC's interactions with Epi are fair to judge him for, Epi's interactions with LC would be.

Epignosis wrote:Ooh, LC, you got Jack's vote.

Excitement, she wrote!

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Spirityo, GTH, what is your read on...drumroll...Long Con?

Upset Towny

would you vote Long Con to save yourself?

in the current situation? no

if it was just the two of us with no chance of anyone else, yes.

what about the situation now?

this is how i spend my christmas

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

Do you agree that a LC lynch would be illuminative about Epi's alignment?

No, but an Epi lynch would be illuminative of LC's. As I don't believe LC's interactions with Epi are fair to judge him for, Epi's interactions with LC would be.

I don't think there is any illumination to be had either way. Epi is as much a mystery to me as he is to the rest of you. If he's a Civ cop-type, then he's being blatant and will get killed for it (which is why I don't think he is one). If he's bad, then he's buddying me. If he's Indy... maybe he's eyeing me for Ishmael's team! More excitement!

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sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Spirityo, GTH, what is your read on...drumroll...Long Con?

Upset Towny

would you vote Long Con to save yourself?

in the current situation? no

if it was just the two of us with no chance of anyone else, yes.

what about the situation now?

well we have time, and time will tell who isnt lucky

Epi still hasnt voted correct? and he also thinks LC is town

Yes, I'm waiting for my Internet to go out again like last time.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

Do you agree that a LC lynch would be illuminative about Epi's alignment?

No, but an Epi lynch would be illuminative of LC's. As I don't believe LC's interactions with Epi are fair to judge him for, Epi's interactions with LC would be.

I don't think there is any illumination to be had either way. Epi is as much a mystery to me as he is to the rest of you. If he's a Civ cop-type, then he's being blatant and will get killed for it (which is why I don't think he is one). If he's bad, then he's buddying me. If he's Indy... maybe he's eyeing me for Ishmael's team! More excitement!

Why would a baddie buddy up to you? Why would Ishmael buddy up to you if he wanted to covertly recruit you? Why would Ishmael want to covertly recruit you, of all people, in the first place?

of the people here, i dont expect anyone else to show up, so the only people who havent voted are me, Epi, and DrWilgy

INH, do you really think you've caught Mafia or are you just pestering LC for things he did you didn't like?

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Spirityo, GTH, what is your read on...drumroll...Long Con?

Upset Towny

would you vote Long Con to save yourself?

in the current situation? no

if it was just the two of us with no chance of anyone else, yes.

what about the situation now?

well we have time, and time will tell who isnt lucky

Epi still hasnt voted correct? and he also thinks LC is town

Y'know how this is going to go, right?

Epi is gonna vote for you to save LC.

You're the only other option.

If you want to stay in this game, you're probably gonna have to vote for LC. Luckily, he's a baddie, so it's a win-win.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Finding INH to be more convincing than LC. Confused by the accusations of "no conviction" in INH. Seems to have some conviction from where I'm standing. I'm more worried about accuracy than conviction. Completely agree that LC's focus has been on discrediting DDL in general than addressing accusations of noncommitalness/blending, which I think was the most important point brought up. (I do agree with LC on the specifics of the Glor statement. But that goes back to attacking the accuser, not the accusation.)

I just don't understand how a person could, three separate times, twist the truth to make me look worse... and it's completely innocent. Maybe once, it could be a mistake. A misread. But THREE TIMES? That indicates that his primary intention is to make people believe I'm bad, and that he's looking for ways to use thread stuff to push that, accuracy be damned.

He took the fact that I had a weak and noncommittal Day 1, and decided I was a weak member of the pack, and moved to capitalize on that.

@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds

Epignosis wrote:INH, do you really think you've caught Mafia or are you just pestering LC for things he did you didn't like?

I'm pestering him for things I think make him mafia.

I also townread DDL and Spirityo, so this is more like the best possible scenario for me, RE: catching a baddie.

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Finding INH to be more convincing than LC. Confused by the accusations of "no conviction" in INH. Seems to have some conviction from where I'm standing. I'm more worried about accuracy than conviction. Completely agree that LC's focus has been on discrediting DDL in general than addressing accusations of noncommitalness/blending, which I think was the most important point brought up. (I do agree with LC on the specifics of the Glor statement. But that goes back to attacking the accuser, not the accusation.)

I just don't understand how a person could, three separate times, twist the truth to make me look worse... and it's completely innocent. Maybe once, it could be a mistake. A misread. But THREE TIMES? That indicates that his primary intention is to make people believe I'm bad, and that he's looking for ways to use thread stuff to push that, accuracy be damned.

He took the fact that I had a weak and noncommittal Day 1, and decided I was a weak member of the pack, and moved to capitalize on that.

to be fair you voted me day 1 for basically the same reason

insertnamehere wrote:

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

sprityo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Spirityo, GTH, what is your read on...drumroll...Long Con?

Upset Towny

would you vote Long Con to save yourself?

in the current situation? no

if it was just the two of us with no chance of anyone else, yes.

what about the situation now?

well we have time, and time will tell who isnt lucky

Epi still hasnt voted correct? and he also thinks LC is town

Y'know how this is going to go, right?

Epi is gonna vote for you to save LC.

You're the only other option.

If you want to stay in this game, you're probably gonna have to vote for LC. Luckily, he's a baddie, so it's a win-win.

I don't think Epi has any interest in voting to save me. I think he's satisfied to let you lynch me, and then be smug about it. I can't even fault him for it, but that's because I've gotten to know Epi and I don't even hate him anymore.

sprityo wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Finding INH to be more convincing than LC. Confused by the accusations of "no conviction" in INH. Seems to have some conviction from where I'm standing. I'm more worried about accuracy than conviction. Completely agree that LC's focus has been on discrediting DDL in general than addressing accusations of noncommitalness/blending, which I think was the most important point brought up. (I do agree with LC on the specifics of the Glor statement. But that goes back to attacking the accuser, not the accusation.)

I just don't understand how a person could, three separate times, twist the truth to make me look worse... and it's completely innocent. Maybe once, it could be a mistake. A misread. But THREE TIMES? That indicates that his primary intention is to make people believe I'm bad, and that he's looking for ways to use thread stuff to push that, accuracy be damned.

He took the fact that I had a weak and noncommittal Day 1, and decided I was a weak member of the pack, and moved to capitalize on that.

to be fair you voted me day 1 for basically the same reason

Yes, but I never attempted to convince anyone of anything about you that was false or misleading - that is the MAJOR difference here.

You are correct in that aspect LC

Long Con wrote: I don't think Epi has any interest in voting to save me. I think he's satisfied to let you lynch me, and then be smug about it. I can't even fault him for it, but that's because I've gotten to know Epi and I don't even hate him anymore.

You hated me?

Im too paranoid to not vote until i get something decisive because unlike epi and wilgy, i am at chance to be lynched

insertnamehere wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

Do you agree that a LC lynch would be illuminative about Epi's alignment?

No, but an Epi lynch would be illuminative of LC's. As I don't believe LC's interactions with Epi are fair to judge him for, Epi's interactions with LC would be.

I don't think there is any illumination to be had either way. Epi is as much a mystery to me as he is to the rest of you. If he's a Civ cop-type, then he's being blatant and will get killed for it (which is why I don't think he is one). If he's bad, then he's buddying me. If he's Indy... maybe he's eyeing me for Ishmael's team! More excitement!

Why would a baddie buddy up to you? Why would Ishmael buddy up to you if he wanted to covertly recruit you? Why would Ishmael want to covertly recruit you, of all people, in the first place?

A baddie would buddy up to a Civvie in order to make that Civ trust them in a "we are so on the same page, we must both be Civ" kind of way.

Um, the Ishmael thing was not serious, dude.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote: I don't think Epi has any interest in voting to save me. I think he's satisfied to let you lynch me, and then be smug about it. I can't even fault him for it, but that's because I've gotten to know Epi and I don't even hate him anymore.

You hated me?

Oh yeah, I thought you were King Prick. That was my bad, I'm sorry.

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Finding INH to be more convincing than LC. Confused by the accusations of "no conviction" in INH. Seems to have some conviction from where I'm standing. I'm more worried about accuracy than conviction. Completely agree that LC's focus has been on discrediting DDL in general than addressing accusations of noncommitalness/blending, which I think was the most important point brought up. (I do agree with LC on the specifics of the Glor statement. But that goes back to attacking the accuser, not the accusation.)

I just don't understand how a person could, three separate times, twist the truth to make me look worse... and it's completely innocent. Maybe once, it could be a mistake. A misread. But THREE TIMES? That indicates that his primary intention is to make people believe I'm bad, and that he's looking for ways to use thread stuff to push that, accuracy be damned.

He took the fact that I had a weak and noncommittal Day 1, and decided I was a weak member of the pack, and moved to capitalize on that.

Ooh, are we restating cases?

LC had a weak and noncommital D1 and DDL wrote a case against him calling him on it. LC then seized upon "three mistakes" DDL ostensibly made when writing the case that are utterly irrelevant to the actual point of the case itself. LC took these three bloopers, and used them to try and lynch DDL, who was the biggest target going into D2 anyway.

He didn't try to baddie hunt after DDL called him out, choosing to only rant and rave about how obviously bad DDL is, as you can see in the quoted section above.

It ain't genuine, and it ain't baddie hunting.

insertnamehere wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Finding INH to be more convincing than LC. Confused by the accusations of "no conviction" in INH. Seems to have some conviction from where I'm standing. I'm more worried about accuracy than conviction. Completely agree that LC's focus has been on discrediting DDL in general than addressing accusations of noncommitalness/blending, which I think was the most important point brought up. (I do agree with LC on the specifics of the Glor statement. But that goes back to attacking the accuser, not the accusation.)

I just don't understand how a person could, three separate times, twist the truth to make me look worse... and it's completely innocent. Maybe once, it could be a mistake. A misread. But THREE TIMES? That indicates that his primary intention is to make people believe I'm bad, and that he's looking for ways to use thread stuff to push that, accuracy be damned.

He took the fact that I had a weak and noncommittal Day 1, and decided I was a weak member of the pack, and moved to capitalize on that.

Ooh, are we restating cases?

LC had a weak and noncommital D1 and DDL wrote a case against him calling him on it. LC then seized upon "three mistakes" DDL ostensibly made when writing the case that are utterly irrelevant to the actual point of the case itself. LC took these three bloopers, and used them to try and lynch DDL, who was the biggest target going into D2 anyway.

He didn't try to baddie hunt after DDL called him out, choosing to only rant and rave about how obviously bad DDL is, as you can see in the quoted section above.

It ain't genuine, and it ain't baddie hunting.

You... you think I'm being insincere, don't you?

i really hate you epi, youre making me do this

I voted sprityo.

I like sig's gumption there and I don't think Eloh is bad, at least not yet.

sprityo wrote:i really hate you epi, youre making me do this

Ah! That was fast! So you're just sitting there looking to see who voted you.

Civilians win dead or alive. That's bad for you sprityo.

Long Con wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

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DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.

I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

Do you agree that a LC lynch would be illuminative about Epi's alignment?

No, but an Epi lynch would be illuminative of LC's. As I don't believe LC's interactions with Epi are fair to judge him for, Epi's interactions with LC would be.

I don't think there is any illumination to be had either way. Epi is as much a mystery to me as he is to the rest of you. If he's a Civ cop-type, then he's being blatant and will get killed for it (which is why I don't think he is one). If he's bad, then he's buddying me. If he's Indy... maybe he's eyeing me for Ishmael's team! More excitement!

Why would a baddie buddy up to you? Why would Ishmael buddy up to you if he wanted to covertly recruit you? Why would Ishmael want to covertly recruit you, of all people, in the first place?

A baddie would buddy up to a Civvie in order to make that Civ trust them in a "we are so on the same page, we must both be Civ" kind of way.

Um, the Ishmael thing was not serious, dude.

why would a baddie buddy up to a civilian who is taking a bunch of in-thread heat?

I guess to maybe seem blameless once he flips civ?

Heh.

If LC flips bad, people will say Epi is his teammate.

If LC flips civ, people will say Epi just tried to keep his hands blood free in order to get people to listen to him.

He's stuck between a rock and hard place here.

ive been monitoring this game like a hawk for the past 5 hours epi, i did not want a repeat of day 1

Remaining civilians: Look at the timing of my vote post and the post before it. sprityo's only concern was not being lynched.

Epignosis wrote:Remaining civilians: Look at the timing of my vote post and the post before it. sprityo's only concern was not being lynched.

was that not obvious by INH asking me earlier, did you not read that?

sprityo wrote:ive been monitoring this game like a hawk for the past 5 hours epi, i did not want a repeat of day 1

It's up to you, spirityo.

Only you can control your own destiny. I read that on a bathroom wall once.

sprityo wrote:ive been monitoring this game like a hawk for the past 5 hours epi, i did not want a repeat of day 1

You knew I was considering voting for you. Never once did you try to engage me on that.

Epignosis wrote:Remaining civilians: Look at the timing of my vote post and the post before it. sprityo's only concern was not being lynched.

lol

epi just realized how boned he is if LC is lynched.

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Remaining civilians: Look at the timing of my vote post and the post before it. sprityo's only concern was not being lynched.

lol

epi just realized how boned he is if LC is lynched.

You seem a lot smarter than you are.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Remaining civilians: Look at the timing of my vote post and the post before it. sprityo's only concern was not being lynched.

lol

epi just realized how boned he is if LC is lynched.

You seem a lot smarter than you are.

i think that's the nicest thing you've ever said about me, Epi.

Please stop, I'm beginning to blush.

yo, spacedaisy. I see you browsing this thread.

What are your thoughts on how things are developing?

I'd extend the same query to Sig and Soneji

insertnamehere wrote:I'd extend the same query to Sig and Soneji

hell, throw JoH in there too, I'm feeling generous

I still think INH is good here. We disagree.