The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.

Who is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.

Who is?

Owner is. I'll have a more solid grip on things tomorrow when I do my ISOing and such, but I think I've been pretty clear about my suspicion of Owner and why, and I don't see any arguments that sway me against it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.

Who is?

Owner is. I'll have a more solid grip on things tomorrow when I do my ISOing and such, but I think I've been pretty clear about my suspicion of Owner and why, and I don't see any arguments that sway me against it.

k, but

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Option 1 - nutella is buddying Owner. Implication:

nutella is mafia
Owner is civilian

Option 2 - nutella and Owner are teammates. Implication:

nutella is mafia
Owner is mafia

You trust Owner less than nutella despite this dynamic?

Does this Bullzeye wagon feel too easy to everybody else? No major pushback, getting votes piled up, meanwhile Owner suspicion has died off after a million posts and it still doesn’t sit right with me. Let’s make it a contest.

[VOTE: OWNER] aubergine

I have a hard time reading INH. His town and scum games are remarkably similar and I could see him being either at this point. So don’t ask me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:04 pm Does this Bullzeye wagon feel too easy to everybody else? No major pushback, getting votes piled up, meanwhile Owner suspicion has died off after a million posts and it still doesn’t sit right with me. Let’s make it a contest.

[VOTE: OWNER] aubergine

What manner of major pushback would you expect to see on a wagon for Bullzeye?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.

Who is?

Owner is. I'll have a more solid grip on things tomorrow when I do my ISOing and such, but I think I've been pretty clear about my suspicion of Owner and why, and I don't see any arguments that sway me against it.

k, but

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Option 1 - nutella is buddying Owner. Implication:

nutella is mafia
Owner is civilian

Option 2 - nutella and Owner are teammates. Implication:

nutella is mafia
Owner is mafia

You trust Owner less than nutella despite this dynamic?

I was asking a question. I suspect Owner more than I suspect Nutella, but I'm also not immune to being wrong. Nutella's insistence on town-reading and helping and boosting Owner is ping worthy, as is her "Hey the Bullz wagon is taking off lemme get a piece of that ass" post. But I'm dialed in on Owner right now.

Also since this has turned into the Firefly Reunion show remember that time nutella committed seppuku for TH and refused to believe he was bad even when I was completely right and he was bad and we lost lol good shit

Anyway is Nutella doing the Basic-Bitch tell I guess is the joke I am making in this post.

Someone tell me why timmer is a civilian.

Link provided for your convenience!

That's 4 nonsense tells [mention]nutella[/mention]

Someone tell me why Jackofhearts2005 is a civilian (preferably someone different from any respondent to the timmer query).

[mention]Glorfindel[/mention], it would be ideal to know how you read some more players. Perhaps a good start would be those others in your own house. How do you read the other Hufflepuffers?

I'm gonna Vote Owner I'm the 3rd person to do so

maybe Kyle is bad cuz I dunno why he's good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:06 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:04 pm Does this Bullzeye wagon feel too easy to everybody else? No major pushback, getting votes piled up, meanwhile Owner suspicion has died off after a million posts and it still doesn’t sit right with me. Let’s make it a contest.

[VOTE: OWNER] aubergine

What manner of major pushback would you expect to see on a wagon for Bullzeye?

Defending him via reputation or meta, spreading his defense of his own vote, pushing another target as an alternative. Juliets (?) might have said she didn’t think it looked scummy but it just feels too easy y’know.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

No?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Which 3
Made up how
Nonsense how

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:13 pm I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

Best bet how
Pretty sure why
What's "so far" for you? Looking at anyone else?

The owner thing, the yun qui thing that made no sense because we were town, and the strange kill choice thing
Made up because they're not real tells
Nonsense because you don't have any real basis for believing they are mafia tells

Best bet because he looks bad for multiple reasons
Pretty sure because he looks like a potential Nova teammate, his vote and all of his posts have been extremely sketchy, and he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay
So far meaning the case on him is stronger than anything else I've seen, but I intend to look more closely into timmer, juliets, Mac, Jay, soneji to name a few.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Which 3
Made up how
Nonsense how

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:13 pm I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

Best bet how
Pretty sure why
What's "so far" for you? Looking at anyone else?

The owner thing, the yun qui thing that made no sense because we were town, and the strange kill choice thing
Made up because they're not real tells
Nonsense because you don't have any real basis for believing they are mafia tells

Best bet because he looks bad for multiple reasons
Pretty sure because he looks like a potential Nova teammate, his vote and all of his posts have been extremely sketchy, and he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay
So far meaning the case on him is stronger than anything else I've seen, but I intend to look more closely into timmer, juliets, Mac, Jay, soneji to name a few.

Which Owner thing?
Yun Qui Tell = Prioritizing game mechanics (House Cup/Ship Crew) over baddie hunting. TH used the Yun Qui's trust of him to prevent his lynch and nobody in the Yun Qui wanted to lynch him or mutiny despite me multiple times calling him out. Luna has prioritized House Cup Mechanics at least twice in this game, something DDL worried about happening.
"Odd Choice" Tell - Literally just quoted an example of TH using the phrase when he was bad.
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Which reasons do you suspect Bullz is bad for?
"His vote looks sketchy" and "his posts look sketchy" "he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay" = These are good reasons and I like them an thank you for sharing them
OK Glad to see you're not just focusing on the easy wagon, hope to see you explain and expand more on JC, Timmer, Mac, Jay and Soneji and not just have you toss these names out and forget the follow through.

If you mean "picture tell" thats her thing I didn't make that up, I'm just explaining that the way she used/explained it in Firefly "DH is bad because he associated with Negan and Thanos" is inconsistent with how she used it here against kara. It looks like she just wanted a reason to have a suspect.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:10 pm Also since this has turned into the Firefly Reunion show remember that time nutella committed seppuku for TH and refused to believe he was bad even when I was completely right and he was bad and we lost lol good shit

Anyway is Nutella doing the Basic-Bitch tell I guess is the joke I am making in this post.

Quit using the word "tell" with too many different meanings. I don't know if you mean it's a town tell for me or a mafia tell for owner that I'm supporting her.

You can't tell me what to tell. tell.

OK the joke is not funny anymore I'll chill.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Which 3
Made up how
Nonsense how

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:13 pm I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

Best bet how
Pretty sure why
What's "so far" for you? Looking at anyone else?

The owner thing, the yun qui thing that made no sense because we were town, and the strange kill choice thing
Made up because they're not real tells
Nonsense because you don't have any real basis for believing they are mafia tells

Best bet because he looks bad for multiple reasons
Pretty sure because he looks like a potential Nova teammate, his vote and all of his posts have been extremely sketchy, and he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay
So far meaning the case on him is stronger than anything else I've seen, but I intend to look more closely into timmer, juliets, Mac, Jay, soneji to name a few.

Which Owner thing?
Yun Qui Tell = Prioritizing game mechanics (House Cup/Ship Crew) over baddie hunting. TH used the Yun Qui's trust of him to prevent his lynch and nobody in the Yun Qui wanted to lynch him or mutiny despite me multiple times calling him out. Luna has prioritized House Cup Mechanics at least twice in this game, something DDL worried about happening.
"Odd Choice" Tell - Literally just quoted an example of TH using the phrase when he was bad.
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Which reasons do you suspect Bullz is bad for?
"His vote looks sketchy" and "his posts look sketchy" "he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay" = These are good reasons and I like them an thank you for sharing them
OK Glad to see you're not just focusing on the easy wagon, hope to see you explain and expand more on JC, Timmer, Mac, Jay and Soneji and not just have you toss these names out and forget the follow through.

I'll try to get to at least some of them later but I'm at work so don't expect a lot. Also inh should be on that list, I forgot about him again because he's been forgettable this game.

Calling it the Yun Qui tell is offensive to my heritage

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:13 pm Someone tell me why Jackofhearts2005 is a civilian (preferably someone different from any respondent to the timmer query).

I’d tell you but you’re to stupid to understand my greatness.

*sneers*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:54 am Testing out new secret code.

Bogarts Only Obliviate Basilisks Slytherin

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:13 pm Someone tell me why Jackofhearts2005 is a civilian (preferably someone different from any respondent to the timmer query).

I’d tell you but you’re to stupid to understand my greatness.

*sneers*

you're cracking me up, Jack

This is ridiculous

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:04 pm This is ridiculous

Why's that? Have anything substantial to say, either in your defense or in thoughts on other players (both would be good)?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:36 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:09 pm I didn't have time to read anything at all yesterday but remembered that the poll would end pretty early for me so wanted to make sure I had a vote. In lieu of catching up I just voted for a no-show. Didn't realise that was suddenly an unforgivable sin in some people's eyes.

Bullz, beyond your vote I found your posts in the Day phase to be jokey and talk more about Potter lore and video games than actual content while most of the rest of us were trying to assess people and come to some conclusions. As you look back over those posts do you see what I mean? If so could you speak to that issue?

I don't feel that Day 1 has to be so serious, considering nine times out of ten nothing of any significance actually happens. I often vote for no-shows or low posters in the first lynch for that reason, it's not like this is a new thing I've never done before. It's been blown massively out of proportion for reasons I don't understand.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:04 pm This is ridiculous

Do you understand why some find your vote suspicious, regardless of your agreement or non?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:09 pm I don't feel that Day 1 has to be so serious, considering nine times out of ten nothing of any significance actually happens.

I'm going to set up a coin jar much like a curse-word jar wherein every time someone says something patently wrong about Day 1 and its utility they have to contribute a quarter.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:10 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:04 pm This is ridiculous

Do you understand why some find your vote suspicious, regardless of your agreement or non?

I don't think my vote warrants suspicion. It was a throwaway vote because I was too busy to catch up and I don't like to miss votes. It's not out of character for me to vote like that regardless of alignment. I think people are overreacting to something quite small and insignificant.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:10 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:04 pm This is ridiculous

Do you understand why some find your vote suspicious, regardless of your agreement or non?

I don't think my vote warrants suspicion. It was a throwaway vote because I was too busy to catch up and I don't like to miss votes. It's not out of character for me to vote like that regardless of alignment. I think people are overreacting to something quite small and insignificant.

Okay then I don't believe you. You don't have to be a mafioso because of that vote, but to reject that it should even be a point of concern is silliness. I deny your application to the civilian clubhouse.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:21 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am This Juliet is indeed very polite (and hard to read as people say)

Do you mind sharing your own thought @@juliets ? Anything you find interesting?

Well at the moment I am most interested in Bullzeye, not so much for his vote for Nova because voting a no show on Day 1 has been accepted practice in the past, but more because he posted on Day 1 but his posts were almost all devoid of content. That doesn't feel like civ Bullz to me - he's an outstanding player.

I suck as a civ and take a long time to feel motivated, hence why I tend not to have much to say. I appreciate the compliments but I don't think your assessment of my play is correct tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:37 pm Can't recall a thing the guy has posted. That's kind of how he always is so basically NAI, but it means nothing is particularly in his favor.

in which I provide a link to my own grievances in hopes of aiding my good friend nutella of The Syndicate in her efforts to interpret the play of another esteemed Syndicateer by the name of insertnamehere

Yeah well I think your read that INH's read on Owner's read being baseless is baseless is baseless.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:21 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am This Juliet is indeed very polite (and hard to read as people say)

Do you mind sharing your own thought @@juliets ? Anything you find interesting?

Well at the moment I am most interested in Bullzeye, not so much for his vote for Nova because voting a no show on Day 1 has been accepted practice in the past, but more because he posted on Day 1 but his posts were almost all devoid of content. That doesn't feel like civ Bullz to me - he's an outstanding player.

I suck as a civ and take a long time to feel motivated, hence why I tend not to have much to say. I appreciate the compliments but I don't think your assessment of my play is correct tbh.

Bullz, most of my assessment of your play comes from that game (I've forgotten it's name) where you infiltrated my BTSC with OA and convinced us both you were on our side. You even had a fake civ role card. It remains the most brilliant bit of mafia playing I have seen in all my years of mafiaing. Maybe that helps explain my compliment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:37 pm Can't recall a thing the guy has posted. That's kind of how he always is so basically NAI, but it means nothing is particularly in his favor.

in which I provide a link to my own grievances in hopes of aiding my good friend nutella of The Syndicate in her efforts to interpret the play of another esteemed Syndicateer by the name of insertnamehere

Yeah well I think your read that INH's read on Owner's read being baseless is baseless is baseless.

that's cool because you don't have any reads so i will stick with mine

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:38 pm OK the joke is not funny anymore I'll chill.

There there. I think you're funny.

[mention]Bullzeye[/mention], do you believe the people voting for you and/or promoting you as a suspect are doing so innocently or opportunistically? Please indicate your feelings on individuals rather than the broad group.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:37 pm Can't recall a thing the guy has posted. That's kind of how he always is so basically NAI, but it means nothing is particularly in his favor.

in which I provide a link to my own grievances in hopes of aiding my good friend nutella of The Syndicate in her efforts to interpret the play of another esteemed Syndicateer by the name of insertnamehere

Yeah well I think your read that INH's read on Owner's read being baseless is baseless is baseless.

that's cool because you don't have any reads so i will stick with mine

I have lots of reads. I'm just not going to tell you, Jay.

Now let me copy your homework.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:36 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:09 pm I didn't have time to read anything at all yesterday but remembered that the poll would end pretty early for me so wanted to make sure I had a vote. In lieu of catching up I just voted for a no-show. Didn't realise that was suddenly an unforgivable sin in some people's eyes.

Bullz, beyond your vote I found your posts in the Day phase to be jokey and talk more about Potter lore and video games than actual content while most of the rest of us were trying to assess people and come to some conclusions. As you look back over those posts do you see what I mean? If so could you speak to that issue?

I don't feel that Day 1 has to be so serious, considering nine times out of ten nothing of any significance actually happens. I often vote for no-shows or low posters in the first lynch for that reason, it's not like this is a new thing I've never done before. It's been blown massively out of proportion for reasons I don't understand.

I see it differently so maybe my suspicion is a matter of play style. I feel like the first day scum can be found if we work hard at it and take a close look at the things that happen during the phase. So to me, you looked like you were not interested in digging for information at all and just wanted to coast through the day, something I attribute to the mafia faction. I see Day 0 as the day for goofing off and being jokey and frivolous. I'll consider what you've said though. Do you have any suspicions at this point?

A word from Papa Jay:

The value of Day 1 extends beyond the alignment of the player who is lynched on Day 1.

Here's a spicy read.

I scumread Jay for talking too much about how Day 1 is important. Like duh but I skipped it anyway. Trying to hard to be a paragon.

When you're in Slytherin house, you don't have to spell correctly.

I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:31 pm Here's a spicy read.

I scumread Jay for talking too much about how Day 1 is important. Like duh but I skipped it anyway. Trying to hard to be a paragon.

you have never had a correct scum read in your life and now is no different

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.

alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick.

Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me.

Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary.

PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:31 pm Here's a spicy read.

I scumread Jay for talking too much about how Day 1 is important. Like duh but I skipped it anyway. Trying to hard to be a paragon.

you have never had a correct scum read in your life and now is no different