The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:45 am**

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:49 am gn

Are the “vibes” reads in this post good, bad, or something else?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:46 am**

I like the angleshooting attempts.

Also, this is hilarious:

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:03 am Hi Ilario!
Spoiler: show
How weird is it we've been posting side by side all page without interacting once?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:58 am**

I have some time this afternoon and will go into full-scale nerd mode.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:09 am**

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 am I do not like the tendency among the consensus town/highposters that we just yeet the low-posters. I'm struggling to find any reads rn that aren't close to having the same effect as sort by postcount.

This has present from as early as the 200s, from Dizzy

Haven't even read fully yet, just feel the need to say this.

Also, Jo's D2 entrance isn't bad for them. No I will not elaborate

At least for my part, it has very little to do with activity.

My PoE, and probable mafia team includes the 4th and 5th highest posters. Activity doesn't mean anything...

Also... "I do not like the tendency among the consensus town/highposters that we just yeet the low-posters."

How about the tendency to vote based on personal preference rather than reads?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:20 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

This is easy to explain, I skimmed the thread.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:26 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:47 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:05 pm @Johanna @Dolby @G-Man just a friendly nudge.
Take your friendly nudge and kindly sit on it my good sir. I told you all in the sign-up thread that I would miss yesterday and today.

It seems I have much to catch up on. My brain is fried though, so it will have to wait for tomorrow.
The cranky is overdone here. My nudge was just a token little reminder for everyone in case they'd missed or forgotten the game start, and it didn't really warrant that. I don't care and am not salty, it just makes me question the authenticity a bit.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:30 pm Today fell apart on me and I will not be able to catch up before the deadline. Sorry for being a Day 1 dud.

I believe that I can catch up during the night phase and early Day 2. I don't see anything in the rules against posting at night, so I may even be able to throw some thoughts in the thread in chunks rather than a wall of text at the end.

If you have an insatiable hunger for low-hanging fruit, I'm your target.
I have no thoughts on the other post. Hopefully G-Man can get involved. I understand the outside world doesn't always allow for this game to be a priority. It hardly even is for me right now.

That entry post was cheeky, not cranky. Today I am cranky, but not because of mafia.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:30 am**

Thoughts through page 10:

DOLBY

DYSLEXICON
-whole entry to the game was just weird. Don’t recall if this is typical but it feels a little too much. Do not agree with assessment of SPF
-So. Much. Thread-spew! Not enough foundation behind all that glitter.
-254&255: now it simmers down
-275: Waffle House reads
-280: Why play with forced restraint?
-286: Fair criticism, but also sets up a huge bias
-351: “I am intentionally not going to play the way I tend to play”
-373: something concrete is something
-401: hedgy

FALCON
-323: I concur about pingy
-354: scum reads with no meat
-363: agreed

ILARIO
-77: post count padding? Quite agreeable
-113: too much emphasis on entrance (not limited to just ilario)
-192: a little too forward-thinking and helpful without focusing on the here and now
-304: way too soft an acceptance of Dys
-337: rather over-explainy

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
-56: could be supa-jay but feels too jabbery
-93: more like real Jay
-101: less twang and more neil hartley please
-152: good points but nai
-158: i thought the same; unclear how this makes me feel
-277: this feels slimy
-390: soft pass for NAA
-443: so why bother writing it?

JOHANNA

LIME COKE
-68: a lot to glean from so little
-434: a bit brash and over the top
-440: drifting into ATE?

MARMOT
-184: sassy burn?

NAA
-312: derp?
-437: yes and no

SIG
-291: lol sig

SLOONEI
-72: sassy interesting. Disingenuous?
-125: true
-419: bingo

SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does

SPF
-64: good questions
-69: also good
-111: color me intrigued
-164: ew adverbs; meh

TSP
-317: TR’s sig
-463: lol Tony

Notes before post #201 were recorded before the night post. Everything after that has the benefit of reading both Sig and SPF as town.

More later as I work through it.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:31 am**

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:32 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:46 am I like the angleshooting attempts.

Also, this is hilarious:

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:03 am Hi Ilario!
Spoiler: show
How weird is it we've been posting side by side all page without interacting once?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:06 am**

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 am I do not like the tendency among the consensus town/highposters that we just yeet the low-posters. I'm struggling to find any reads rn that aren't close to having the same effect as sort by postcount.

This has present from as early as the 200s, from Dizzy

Haven't even read fully yet, just feel the need to say this.

Also, Jo's D2 entrance isn't bad for them. No I will not elaborate

You keep mentioning you haven't fully read yet. Why?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:06 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:27 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 pm Marmot's silence is deafening

Heh?

I feel like I posted a lot this weekend considering I worked 20 hours.

You have a job????

Impressive

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.

It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:18 am**

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:30 am Thoughts through page 10:

DOLBY

DYSLEXICON
-whole entry to the game was just weird. Don’t recall if this is typical but it feels a little too much. Do not agree with assessment of SPF
-So. Much. Thread-spew! Not enough foundation behind all that glitter.
-254&255: now it simmers down
-275: Waffle House reads
-280: Why play with forced restraint?
-286: Fair criticism, but also sets up a huge bias
-351: “I am intentionally not going to play the way I tend to play”
-373: something concrete is something
-401: hedgy

FALCON
-323: I concur about pingy
-354: scum reads with no meat
-363: agreed

ILARIO
-77: post count padding? Quite agreeable
-113: too much emphasis on entrance (not limited to just ilario)
-192: a little too forward-thinking and helpful without focusing on the here and now
-304: way too soft an acceptance of Dys
-337: rather over-explainy

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
-56: could be supa-jay but feels too jabbery
-93: more like real Jay
-101: less twang and more neil hartley please
-152: good points but nai
-158: i thought the same; unclear how this makes me feel
-277: this feels slimy
-390: soft pass for NAA
-443: so why bother writing it?

JOHANNA

LIME COKE
-68: a lot to glean from so little
-434: a bit brash and over the top
-440: drifting into ATE?

MARMOT
-184: sassy burn?

NAA
-312: derp?
-437: yes and no

SIG
-291: lol sig

SLOONEI
-72: sassy interesting. Disingenuous?
-125: true
-419: bingo

SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does

SPF
-64: good questions
-69: also good
-111: color me intrigued
-164: ew adverbs; meh

TSP
-317: TR’s sig
-463: lol Tony

Notes before post #201 were recorded before the night post. Everything after that has the benefit of reading both Sig and SPF as town.

More later as I work through it.

So gang, are we gonna tr the dumbtell on spf here?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs
Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.

It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:20 am**

And despite that I still have him as town, so no, the shade on me wasn’t why i addressed it. It was the sudden flip in reads with no explanation, given that he seemed very certain not long ago

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:21 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:18 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:30 am Thoughts through page 10:

DOLBY

DYSLEXICON
-whole entry to the game was just weird. Don’t recall if this is typical but it feels a little too much. Do not agree with assessment of SPF
-So. Much. Thread-spew! Not enough foundation behind all that glitter.
-254&255: now it simmers down
-275: Waffle House reads
-280: Why play with forced restraint?
-286: Fair criticism, but also sets up a huge bias
-351: “I am intentionally not going to play the way I tend to play”
-373: something concrete is something
-401: hedgy

FALCON
-323: I concur about pingy
-354: scum reads with no meat
-363: agreed

ILARIO
-77: post count padding? Quite agreeable
-113: too much emphasis on entrance (not limited to just ilario)
-192: a little too forward-thinking and helpful without focusing on the here and now
-304: way too soft an acceptance of Dys
-337: rather over-explainy

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
-56: could be supa-jay but feels too jabbery
-93: more like real Jay
-101: less twang and more neil hartley please
-152: good points but nai
-158: i thought the same; unclear how this makes me feel
-277: this feels slimy
-390: soft pass for NAA
-443: so why bother writing it?

JOHANNA

LIME COKE
-68: a lot to glean from so little
-434: a bit brash and over the top
-440: drifting into ATE?

MARMOT
-184: sassy burn?

NAA
-312: derp?
-437: yes and no

SIG
-291: lol sig

SLOONEI
-72: sassy interesting. Disingenuous?
-125: true
-419: bingo

SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does

SPF
-64: good questions
-69: also good
-111: color me intrigued
-164: ew adverbs; meh

TSP
-317: TR’s sig
-463: lol Tony

Notes before post #201 were recorded before the night post. Everything after that has the benefit of reading both Sig and SPF as town.

More later as I work through it.
So gang, are we gonna tr the dumbtell on spf here?

Calling B.S. on G-Man having done anything before the flip yesterday, so the spf thing is irrelevant.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:28 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:46 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:38 amHow would you describe your scum game? What type of approach do you use?
To be completely honest with you Captain Falcon: I don’t know.

The last time I drew a mafia role card for a full game was two and a half years ago if memory serves. That was the Mafia Championship Season 6 Scrimmage if you wish to look (Sit Down game on this site). I have legitimately forgotten what it’s like to be mafia. I do have two brief replacement cameos as mafia in that span, but they don’t provide proper context.

If I had to guess: as mafia I would promote a POE solve with some of the wrong names as town and bring town under my spell with tons of beautifully formatted mass analysis. I would engage real time dialogue less frequently, and I’d post more at night when others sleep. That’s basically what I did in the past, but I have really honed my POE craft in recent years and would have to try to sell that.

Hmmmm, ok. It sounds like your town game, but with less real time interactions, which you've def been doing thus far.

I have a nagging feeling about you. It's probably best not to tunnel you at this stage tho, so I'll give you some space to hunt. For now.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:28 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs
Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.

It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

I believe the objection comes from apparently sussing JJJ to topreading him in 2 and 1/2 hours without any apparent progression.

There's also the fact that 2 hours prior to this list he had just top towned TSP and Ilario

Spoiler: show

In this particular case the reads adjustment I think moved in the direction of the consensus, which I think goes against your point that it is in fact a +town progression. I think it's NAI, and I would like to hear abut what he saw in those ISOs to be able to consider his perspective.

Spoiler: show

The most interesting thing is how the watcher claim is near the bottom but he rectified soon enough, so again...

Here's the particularly interesting posts in his progression, I think:

► Show Spoiler

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:29 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs
Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.

It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you
He did it in a matter of minutes lol

He did? That is rather quick...

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:30 am**

Oh my god quotes in this white spoiler thing are awful to read

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:32 am**

TL;DR TSP and Ilario were top town and JJJ and Sloonei sus, 90 minutes later roles are flipped.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:32 am**

(according to NAA)

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am**

That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:38 am**

I still don't know where you get your reads from.

I lowkey want to get chopped to see your reaction but my guess is that you will be unfazed by failure.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...

Elaborate

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 am**

It's pretty evident, Ilario calling out NAA's shift and my explaining what I think Ilario's objection is is interpreted by NAA as two of his scum team scrambling to dig in and turn the tables.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate

No?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am**

But that's just a theory...

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?

don't worry I did it for you.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?

Great thanks.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am**

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
don't worry I did it for you.

I know, I'm probably dying here.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am**

Why would you be dying here?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
Great thanks.

Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:56 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

No, I still just want to have a better grasp on how you see the game. I understand what things you are referring to. I just want to know why you think the things that you think.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:56 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

No, I still just want to have a better grasp on how you see the game. I understand what things you are referring to. I just want to know why you think the things that you think.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:56 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.
No, I still just want to have a better grasp on how you see the game. I understand what things you are referring to. I just want to know why you think the things that you think.

Ah, well if you're asking me so that you can read me, then I don't really have any incentive to help you there either. At least if you kill me, I can blame you for the loss.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:58 am**

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:38 am I still don't know where you get your reads from.

I lowkey want to get chopped to see your reaction but my guess is that you will be unfazed by failure.

Johanna is billboard town lmao

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am**

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.
Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

It's really not.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:56 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...
Elaborate
No?
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.
No, I still just want to have a better grasp on how you see the game. I understand what things you are referring to. I just want to know why you think the things that you think.
Ah, well if you're asking me so that you can read me, then I don't really have any incentive to help you there either. At least if you kill me, I can blame you for the loss.

I am town. You read me as town, according to your recent posts. Your incentive to help me is that, if you are town, helping me to better understand your mindset can help me read you correctly.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.
Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.
It's really not.

Do you not see how it can be received that way?

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs
Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.

It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you
He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??

Matter of minutes my ass

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.
Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.
It's really not.
Do you not see how it can be received that way?

Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 am**

@staypositivefriend I don’t expect you to out a legacy tr on me simply Due to our history of paranoia and tinfoil

But before you die the top 5 trs I feel confident in are dizzy soa Johanna as my top 3 and then probably marmot/NAA after

If you can legacy read the top 3 and review 4/5 that would leave town in a great spot once ur gone

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs
Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.

It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you
He did it in a matter of minutes lol
Wait, it was over 2hrs later??

Matter of minutes my ass

Actually more like 1 1/2 hours, but yeah, and he explicitly says there was ISOing in the middle. So I am trying not to read too much into that.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs
Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.

It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you
He did it in a matter of minutes lol
Wait, it was over 2hrs later??

Matter of minutes my ass

You know... About the time to catch up on the game. It's just Ilario doing mafia things, I don't think Johanna is the correct kill, either Ilario or Lime Coke should die.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:02 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.
Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.
It's really not.
Do you not see how it can be received that way?
Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

You have replied multiple times this game by essentially saying “If you don’t understand what I’m saying [without having it explained to you] then you never will.” It is frustrating to your fellow players. The foundation of this game is communication.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:02 am**

I don't think NAA is scum but he's definitely just taken a solidly anti-town position

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:03 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:02 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am
Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:57 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.
Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.
Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.
It's really not.
Do you not see how it can be received that way?
Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.
You have replied multiple times this game by essentially saying “If you don’t understand what I’m saying [without having it explained to you] then you never will.” It is frustrating to your fellow players. The foundation of this game is communication.

Noted. In the future when you ask for reasons for reads, I will make something up that I think might appeal to the person asking.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:04 am**

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:02 am I don't think NAA is scum but he's definitely just taken a solidly anti-town position
Spoiler: show
which is hilarious
Spoiler: show
and tragic.

I mean, if you're town great, but I can still have 3-4 mafia in my PoE, which you're actively fighting against due to your inclusion in it.

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