The Syndicate

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:23 pm scotty have your gth reads changed

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:32 pm well you put out two reads for what I thought were bad reasons and then you elaborated on the reasons and I thought they were fine but still don't like how much of your iso is just vibing lol

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:57 pm Porscha's Seanzie Scumread is pretty meh. I don't townread Seanzie at all reading his iso but they're basically sussing Sean for being in RVS mode to late in the thread and not doing anything productive, which should be a meh read instead of being "so wolfy". Seanzie's iso also pretty meh

both slots meh, not teammed though

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:37 pm Like Dolby, you’re shading me in your breakdown of my ISO, ending with a suggestion that you wouldn’t mind voting for who I am currently voting for, and then in the very next post saying I would be a better counter wagon.

It’s a roller coaster of illogic.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:37 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:57 pm Porscha's Seanzie Scumread is pretty meh. I don't townread Seanzie at all reading his iso but they're basically sussing Sean for being in RVS mode to late in the thread and not doing anything productive, which should be a meh read instead of being "so wolfy". Seanzie's iso also pretty meh

both slots meh, not teammed though

Uhh... what? I have not made a single random vote this game (or at all in like over a year). Also, pretty sure I have one if not two wolves in my crosshairs, so I'm feelin' pretty good about my productivity this game.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:37 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:57 pm Porscha's Seanzie Scumread is pretty meh. I don't townread Seanzie at all reading his iso but they're basically sussing Sean for being in RVS mode to late in the thread and not doing anything productive, which should be a meh read instead of being "so wolfy". Seanzie's iso also pretty meh

both slots meh, not teammed though

Uhh... what? I have not made a single random vote this game (or at all in like over a year). Also, pretty sure I have one if not two wolves in my crosshairs, so I'm feelin' pretty good about my productivity this game.

aight

explain why nanook is a wolf

actually thought that what porscha was saying was that you changed your vote within 3 posts rather than 140 of the threads posts looking back so

that probably makes their case worse

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:31 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:59 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:05 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:22 pm 1/4th of the way to dolby (4)

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:51 pm

112 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:41 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:22 pm 1/4th of the way to dolby (4)

Chairman! It is an honour.

I love that someone recognizes my avatar!

These 2 are all the posts from Dolby.
Is this a handful?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:03 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:03 pm Where is everyone?

I have to sleep soon and tomorrow I will be out of town and unable to play much. Eod is at 4 am for me, the probability to be awake is almost zero

I TR 112 based off experience playing with her. Like, sure she could be Maf and I could be misreading her, but I don't think so.



Dolby had a handful of posts I TR. More of a gut feel than anything right now

@Falcon45ca answer me please

That's them, yes

Isn't English your first language?
I am Esl and i wouldn't put equal between 2 and handful.

I am so confused because of this and the reasom I TR you.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:45 pm Scotty, Rej all look bad if i die at EoD.

Scotty and Rej because i had highly suspected them by the time i was shot.

Maybe Mac too since i had to prod him to post several times and was suspecting him for it, Mac knows that if i suspect him at any point i might consider shooting him just in case.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:46 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:37 pm falcon who do you want to vote rn

top townreads?

I am going to vote [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine


I know why you're town reading me and I appreciate the effort lol.

TR Michelle, Mac, Guillo, 112

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:29 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:30 am That Guillo got off me during that makes me Townlean him. Curious.

His wagon makes me feel like at least one of Nook, Wilgy, Seanzie or Rondo are happy to take advantage of a LHF

i guess this is far from the towniest lineup of voters but i still don't see "one of them has to be scum".

this is probably the first thing that looks like something i'd post as town lol

he's just like

floating, looking like he's doing stuff but not really doing stuff for the first half of his iso

second half of his iso doesn't really make me wanna townread him, and half of that is same as the first half

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:11 pm GTH:
@112 SCUM
@anne TOWN
@Dolby TOWN
@DrWilgy SCUM
@falcon45ca TOWN
@Guillotine TOWN
@ilario SCUM
@Lime Coke SCUM
@MacDougall AUSTRALIA
@Michelle TOWN
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME SCUM
@Porscha SCUM
@Rej SCUM
@RondoDimBuckle SCUM
@Scotty YO
@Seanzie SCUM
@srceenplay SCUM
@Wisdom SCUM


Holy shit this has to be the most scums I think I’ve ever given on a GTH. That’s not good. Im also forgetting certain people, like 112 or Rej because I haven’t done any isoing. Like I don’t exactly -scum- read my scums but I don’t have a good reason to town them. GTH probably isn’t helpful right now. Will dig deeper later.

I like this fwiw

don't see why I'm gun to head town and 112 isn't at this point in the game. or why some are town and others are scum when they have similar contributions but i like that reads are being pushed out

voting wisdom is fine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:28 pm Ok caught up

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:06 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:24 am [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Not trying to tilt him, just think he is wolf.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:05 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:01 am [VOTE: guillotine] aubergine

Why Guillo?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:55 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:31 pm Oh, we're hammering LC? Sure.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:38 pm I have guillo and Michelle as town. Rondo as town.

Seanzie is a light town lean. Wilgy is lightly town.

Nanook in his Nanook tier.

112 slight sus. You're also in this tier.

Falcon and Lime Coke are both very sus.

Why am I town? I've done nothing deserving of this read.

yeah you aren't deserving of that read

I cannot express how much I haaaaaaaaate this ISO from seanzie it's literally so wolfy

how are you gonna vote guillo for being wolfy and then 3 posts later you're grilling someone else on why guillo is wolfy
only other posts you made were pushing michelle for your "coded post" which you didn't even respond to me on and entering randomly to complain about egg mechanics and then wagoning onto LC (and frankly I'm kind of on board for LC potentially being wolf but I don't believe it coming from you)

Mind meld. Piranha in my town pile

Mac’s entrance made me wary but he seems less chaos goblin and more honed in on LC. I think I’ve only ever played one game with w!Mac and I remember his agenda on D1 being all over the place. Good look.

Falcon has been hippity hopping on a lot of what I’ve been thinking as well. Townread him.

Rondo is less jester now, more of an explorer of truth. Like a Christopher Columbus but without the pox blankets like history tells. Townlean

Town
Anne
Porsha
Mac
Falcon
Rondo

Things are coming together.

why? Seanzie's iso is like null and his crime here is being in RVS mode and sheeping to late into the thread.

How have you been melding with what Falcon's saying, what?

bad

scotty later puts his seanzie and falcon reads in better terms and I guess it's fine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:44 pm Ok the weird thing about Seanzie is - yes I think his iso is polite and also milquetoast enough to have no weight.

However.

What’s holding me back, perhaps selfishly, is that he’s had a knack this game at getting defensive or at least suspicious of those that town read him- a trait that I often share. The exception is with me, who scumread him and he felt it was…noncommittal maybe? anyway, my first point is what’s holding me back from calling him full blown mafia

like this is an accurate description of seanzie's iso to that point imo (milquetoast) and i guess i don't like the wording of porscha's read but i get it

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:00 pm I don't see why Scotty is TR me

More specifically, here’s a couple things in my catchup:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:56 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:51 pm guillo was targeted by maf day shot I assume. guillo was scum reading rej. not a good look for rej

Wait, when was there a day shot? Guillo's dead?

Dumbtell

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:29 pm @falcon45ca why am I town to you? I am scumreading you and have a historically extremely accurate read on you. Shouldn't be scumreading you be suspicious given that?

It's the way you're playing the game, building your reads. Doesn't read like Maf Mac, who has a different way of pushing the game.



Like Maf Mac is a bit more, let's say extroverted? I'm just not seeing that from you

I like this line of thinking

valid

I might switch to Wisdom actually

Scotty is I guess kinda scummy for having such a high fluff to content ratio but it's just like w/e

lol this was a rollercoaster.

And to respond to your surprise of being a town read in my GTH- I know, me too! Maybe it was that you were at Dolby (2) and you were innocuous enough?
With your way towards Dolby (4000) I am still on that boat, but I’m not sure I completely have a hold on if you’re trying to make cases or just prodding as mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:07 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:46 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:37 pm falcon who do you want to vote rn

top townreads?

I am going to vote [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine


I know why you're town reading me and I appreciate the effort lol.

TR Michelle, Mac, Guillo, 112

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:07 pm I reckon Seanzie is mafia here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:06 pm I don't know how to process Dolby's take on me being so far out of touch with how I feel I've played this game. I really don't see how anything in my ISO suggests my vote on Nanook or anyone else was RVS in any way, shape or form.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:06 pm I don't know how to process Dolby's take on me being so far out of touch with how I feel I've played this game. I really don't see how anything in my ISO suggests my vote on Nanook or anyone else was RVS in any way, shape or form.

If you don’t explain your take im just gonna discard it ngl

Also I think I was looking at Porscha saying “and then he switches 3 posts later” and thought that they meant three thread posts instead of three of your posts

Falcon, I thought that Scotty thinking you Dumbtelled was valid

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:06 pm I don't know how to process Dolby's take on me being so far out of touch with how I feel I've played this game. I really don't see how anything in my ISO suggests my vote on Nanook or anyone else was RVS in any way, shape or form.

If you don’t explain your take im just gonna discard it ngl

Also I think I was looking at Porscha saying “and then he switches 3 posts later” and thought that they meant three thread posts instead of three of your posts

Falcon, I thought that Scotty thinking you Dumbtelled was valid

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:21 pm Then vote me coward

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:07 pm I reckon Seanzie is mafia here.

You know you have a nearly perfect anti-read on me (assuming you're town here).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:07 pm I reckon Seanzie is mafia here.

You know you have a nearly perfect anti-read on me (assuming you're town here).

so earlier when I said you were town you got mad and now you say this... just seems I can't win

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:48 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:53 am Yes you DrWilgy, Lime Coke and Michelle, I see you

Bruh I fell asleep

[VOTE: guillo] aubergine

Why did you vote me here when it was obvious it was a prod. Do you see scum trying to get the attention of three players that were online instead of just pretending they dont exist to avoud interacting?

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:27 pm Seanzie your questions to Nanook were why are you voting the same person I am, and he blew your questions off. I hate it to but he just does that. It’s the sort of interaction that I just don’t care about bc, knowing Nanook, it doesn’t say anything about either participant

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:28 pm Also calling Scotty a top scumread for me isn’t really accurate, he’s just south of meh

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:59 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:04 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:02 am @Michelle why nanook bad I'm not reading your iso

Ikr i haven't even called her polarized yet, she's really jumping the omgus gun

Here Nanook ignored completely the reason for my vote which is nagl
I don't want to read more, my vote stays

I also can't keep my eyes open and I have to sleep.
I hope I can wake up for eod.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:36 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:27 pm Seanzie your questions to Nanook were why are you voting the same person I am, and he blew your questions off. I hate it to but he just does that. It’s the sort of interaction that I just don’t care about bc, knowing Nanook, it doesn’t say anything about either participant

As a wolf, Nanook will sometimes intentionally do those sorts of things because it makes him look irreverent to the game, which is usually more associated with town than scum. Either way, my vote was clearly a pressure vote based on the fact that he was not answering my question (and yes, I know Nanook does not respond to pressure votes by being like "oh! Sorry, let me fix this issue since you're now voting me!", sending him a signal like that can have long-term effects on his gameplay, in particular I got him once to out as a 3p to stop me from hounding him, and as town he usually will eventually be less flippant towards me if he think I'm about to tunnel him since he doesn't want to deal with that (Nanook is a path-of-least-resistance player, so you gotta make the path-of-least-resistance what you want it to be if you want to work with Nanook sometimes).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:37 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:28 pm Also calling Scotty a top scumread for me isn’t really accurate, he’s just south of meh

Scotty is MY top OMGUS

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:39 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:36 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:05 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:01 pm I'm not sure how to interject myself into this game. Don't know what's going on. Reading but not comprehending.
Someone give me a simple task. Maybe that will help.

Talk to me about your game experience, how much time you played, how many games, what is your favorite alignament and how do you approach a game, can you link old scum and town games?

I've played a lot. Years. I'm casual IDGAF attitude. I like town because I can play freely and casual, try different play styles and just loose. I'm always scum read as town so I tend to not be as loose as mafia.
scum
https://forum.mafia451.com/t/tarot-upic ... e-over/129

town
https://forum.mafia451.com/t/one-night- ... n-win/3762

That town game is not a real game, and from the scum game I see your posts until now are not AI.
How can someone read you?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:37 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:28 pm Also calling Scotty a top scumread for me isn’t really accurate, he’s just south of meh

Scotty is MY top OMGUS

Fixed it for you

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:07 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:36 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:27 pm Seanzie your questions to Nanook were why are you voting the same person I am, and he blew your questions off. I hate it to but he just does that. It’s the sort of interaction that I just don’t care about bc, knowing Nanook, it doesn’t say anything about either participant

As a wolf, Nanook will sometimes intentionally do those sorts of things because it makes him look irreverent to the game, which is usually more associated with town than scum. Either way, my vote was clearly a pressure vote based on the fact that he was not answering my question (and yes, I know Nanook does not respond to pressure votes by being like "oh! Sorry, let me fix this issue since you're now voting me!", sending him a signal like that can have long-term effects on his gameplay, in particular I got him once to out as a 3p to stop me from hounding him, and as town he usually will eventually be less flippant towards me if he think I'm about to tunnel him since he doesn't want to deal with that (Nanook is a path-of-least-resistance player, so you gotta make the path-of-least-resistance what you want it to be if you want to work with Nanook sometimes).

I'm going to ignore you now

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:18 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:14 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:05 pm
I play black lotus and emri. I am now infinite and I tap to target your life points directly

So you were the one who shot me with the silver bullet?

So you shot me and when i didnt die you try to push for my elimination and then spin a story around me being scum for trying to bait a nk with a fake claim. (Yes, tnis was the intent).

Maybe you are not the inno child that i thought and im townreading for shit reasons after all.

Why did you shoot me Rondo?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:19 pm I retract my town read from Rondo

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:42 am Porscha and wilgy feel like easy votes to make but I also think there’s a good chance a scum is in there, mostly cos I don’t tr either of them and I tend to do when they’re town and also because I feel like if both are town they would be easy pushes for a scum to push on here but nobody has pushed them except me but I know I’m town lol

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:27 pm I read the OP and noticed mafia has factional day kill, so it is likely the silver bullet will kill me at EoD.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:34 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:33 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:26 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:25 pm sorry guillo but i come in here having read 0 of the past 15 pages and you guys are on me for nothing

serious wtf ments

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

Why are you voting Wisdom if you have missed so much?

because people are threatening to kill me irl and i needed to put a vote down, picking the person i have the most suspicion on based on waht i have managed to read

idiot at liibrary is back so i'm peacing out

lower mainland gang conflict is screwed

Unfortunately this is not verifiable and idiot at library can easily be made up.

anne wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:39 pm I'll be heading out and won't have much time to post, but here is where my current thoughts are at in terms of reads.

Town
Ilario - His entrance was townie, don't think he tinfoils a me/Guillo world if he is scum. I thought him saying he townreads Mac and having to reset his reads off of that was a pretty good look. Also don't think he'd be handling the Wisdom read like that if he were scum. He would probably be less hedgey.
Michelle

Light Town
Lime Coke - Had him as strong town initially but some of his reactions to pressure just feel off to me. Idk if I'd go as far as Seanzie did and say it was W/W theatre with Nanook, I think they could be any combination of alignments.
Mac
Guillo
Seanzie
Rej
DrWigly

Null
screenplay
Dolby
Scotty

True Null
112

Light Scum
Rondo
Nanook
Falcon
Porscha (?) - Not sure on this one, mostly sheeping Mac and Ilario a bit here

Scum
Wisdom

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:31 pm And given that no one has claimed the action, it is likely it was the factional day kill so im good as dead. Rondo cant be scum.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:40 pm To think ive been inno child since i was shot.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:02 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:40 pm To think ive been inno child since i was shot.

This is exactly what I was pointing out he would do after being "shot"