The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:44 am If Lucy's a wolf then okay she couldn't do anything to not die but if she's town it's just a complete waste that we have to do and while we're all sitting here it's like completely stagnating the game to even make other slots harder to solve because there's little/nothing for anyone to do to influence the game

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:07 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:44 am If Lucy's a wolf then okay she couldn't do anything to not die but if she's town it's just a complete waste that we have to do and while we're all sitting here it's like completely stagnating the game to even make other slots harder to solve because there's little/nothing for anyone to do to influence the game

Ergo she's a wolf because she would know better than to do this as a town.

Like even if she's completely given up she would at least outline her case on you I think, particularly when she's allegedly convinced that people will analyze this day/sheep her legacy after she flips.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:40 am What made you put me back into your town list by the way?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:07 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:44 am If Lucy's a wolf then okay she couldn't do anything to not die but if she's town it's just a complete waste that we have to do and while we're all sitting here it's like completely stagnating the game to even make other slots harder to solve because there's little/nothing for anyone to do to influence the game

Ergo she's a wolf because she would know better than to do this as a town.

Like even if she's completely given up she would at least outline her case on you I think, particularly when she's allegedly convinced that people will analyze this day/sheep her legacy after she flips.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:18 am [VOTE: essoa] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:45 am There are a few avenues I’d like to explore. My first guess is Nanook, but I’m not totally locked in on that. I’m gonna look into some things and see how I feel about the broader game state. We have a long day here, so we should use it effectively.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:16 am Nook eod response defending lucy kinda felt genuine.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:45 am There are a few avenues I’d like to explore. My first guess is Nanook, but I’m not totally locked in on that. I’m gonna look into some things and see how I feel about the broader game state. We have a long day here, so we should use it effectively.

Thots?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:40 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:18 am [VOTE: essoa] aubergine

Why

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:53 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:45 am There are a few avenues I’d like to explore. My first guess is Nanook, but I’m not totally locked in on that. I’m gonna look into some things and see how I feel about the broader game state. We have a long day here, so we should use it effectively.

Thots?

I’ll be sharing them throughout the day. There is one thing in particular that I am thinking about, and you alluded to it: I want to reexamine Wilgy. His initial level of engagement wasn’t sustained, and I want to see how the progressing dynamic of the game reflects on him.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:16 am Nook eod response defending lucy kinda felt genuine.

Esooa I don't even know anymore.

Falcon has dropped hard.

Wilgz also dropped hard.

Jjj is fine.

Marmot is also fine.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:11 am [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:48 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:16 am Nook eod response defending lucy kinda felt genuine.

Could you point to the specific response you have in mind?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:37 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

Also, all of that being true, I think this post is pretty towny imo. If I'm a wolf doing this is pretty bad because my vanity vote was doing nothing for me, it doesn't mean Sparkles is less likely to die, it doesn't mean I get any bus credit, etc. Fmpov at least it's obvious I was intending to do this with how I didn't know OW was a wagon, called my read on him meager, switched off it pretty easily, etc.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:08 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:53 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:45 am There are a few avenues I’d like to explore. My first guess is Nanook, but I’m not totally locked in on that. I’m gonna look into some things and see how I feel about the broader game state. We have a long day here, so we should use it effectively.

Thots?

I’ll be sharing them throughout the day. There is one thing in particular that I am thinking about, and you alluded to it: I want to reexamine Wilgy. His initial level of engagement wasn’t sustained, and I want to see how the progressing dynamic of the game reflects on him.

He did say he was having surgery as well

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:10 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:16 am Nook eod response defending lucy kinda felt genuine.

Esooa I don't even know anymore.

Falcon has dropped hard.

Wilgz also dropped hard.

Jjj is fine.

Marmot is also fine.

Dropped hard?


You've basically just been sheeping others TR on my slot, I don't think I've dropped at all in your eyes


Cuz I was never up

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:34 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:43 am she's only that loud about it cause of all the things I posted and such lol

Tho saying she was going to give reads and then coming and not is a thing at least

also don't really feel like Sparkles is that scummy but she could a wolf. I guess this post is useless but I was thinking she was kinda towny until I realized that might make her a wolf cause when I played with her before my thoughts were anything but "pretty forgettable, a little towny ig" so there's that

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not

6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:48 pm Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:40 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not

6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

I think all your other posts have merit except this one because I tend to have a lot of tr and no sr as town. People can be null.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:45 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:40 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not

6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

I think all your other posts have merit except this one because I tend to have a lot of tr and no sr as town. People can be null.

I guess, in a larger game, sure...


But how many nulls is that, and how many scum?


At least some...even just 1 decent SR would be necessary if a player has 6 TRs at this stage and this roster size IMO

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:34 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:08 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:53 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:45 am There are a few avenues I’d like to explore. My first guess is Nanook, but I’m not totally locked in on that. I’m gonna look into some things and see how I feel about the broader game state. We have a long day here, so we should use it effectively.

Thots?

I’ll be sharing them throughout the day. There is one thing in particular that I am thinking about, and you alluded to it: I want to reexamine Wilgy. His initial level of engagement wasn’t sustained, and I want to see how the progressing dynamic of the game reflects on him.

He did say he was having surgery as well

I forgot about that. My bad wilgz

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:10 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:16 am Nook eod response defending lucy kinda felt genuine.

Esooa I don't even know anymore.

Falcon has dropped hard.

Wilgz also dropped hard.

Jjj is fine.

Marmot is also fine.

Dropped hard?


You've basically just been sheeping others TR on my slot, I don't think I've dropped at all in your eyes


Cuz I was never up

I had you as null/slightest town lean.

Idk D2 was a wash and everyone except jjj and marmot look worse from that (including myself).

When I said that you also popped in and dropped a naked vote with nothing else to say

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:49 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:45 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:40 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not

6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

I think all your other posts have merit except this one because I tend to have a lot of tr and no sr as town. People can be null.

I guess, in a larger game, sure...


But how many nulls is that, and how many scum?


At least some...even just 1 decent SR would be necessary if a player has 6 TRs at this stage and this roster size IMO

Fair enough I only had one sr (Alison)

And now I have none.

I'm struggling a bit.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:00 am everything i did was fuckin nai

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:01 pm

Spoiler: show

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:20 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:36 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:26 pm I also was just genuinely sad Nook no sold me when we we’re both here, but I can’t express emotion without it being labeled as manipulative AtE apparently

this is manipulative ate

No u.

@lucy that’s cutee, buddy attempt accepted for now, who do u wanna vote for are voting for and why

That's it from Sparkles on Esooa.

Spoiler: show

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:04 pm My top suspects are Marmot and Sparkles. Everyone else is various shades of null to town right now.

I don't think lucy's opening is AI for her. I would like to see the promised thoughts as it has been 5 hours. @lucy

why sparkles

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:48 pm Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:43 am she's only that loud about it cause of all the things I posted and such lol

Tho saying she was going to give reads and then coming and not is a thing at least

also don't really feel like Sparkles is that scummy but she could a wolf. I guess this post is useless but I was thinking she was kinda towny until I realized that might make her a wolf cause when I played with her before my thoughts were anything but "pretty forgettable, a little towny ig" so there's that

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:49 am

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:33 am Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:34 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:32 am Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

From Esooa's side, we're given a bunch of opportunities to make judgment calls. If Esooa is Sparkles' teammate, I don't think we can call this material "distancing", and maybe not even "bussing" unless that word means "place a vote for your teammate" and nothing more. Esooa's treatment of Sparkles kind of falls on the third corner of the triangle that has formed in my head of players with similar world views and very different products reflecting their world views: Alison, Wilgy, and Esooa. All three said in some form that they were cool with the lucy/Sparkles POE, and Esooa was the one to place the actual Sparkles vote. That vote came with little verbal weight, however, given that it was a shrugging sheep and followed by commentary that could move late wagons elsewhere.

So that's the judgment call. Is this Esooa genuinely shrugging her way uneasily into the correct Sparkles chop, or is it some combination of feeble distancing and effort to move other votes? With a gun to my head I favor the former. Esooa, even in this lower activity body, is not a player I would describe as "feeble". If she is going to distance or bus, she probably just does it? All the way? It's not a crime to be unsure about a Day 1 chop. I welcome discussion on this one, because it's not my most confident read.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:28 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:11 am [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I'm seeing more solve Marmot than scum Marmot.



Or am I missing something?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:00 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:28 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:11 am [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I'm seeing more solve Marmot than scum Marmot.



Or am I missing something?

Poe

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:53 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:49 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:45 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:40 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not

6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

I think all your other posts have merit except this one because I tend to have a lot of tr and no sr as town. People can be null.

I guess, in a larger game, sure...


But how many nulls is that, and how many scum?


At least some...even just 1 decent SR would be necessary if a player has 6 TRs at this stage and this roster size IMO

Fair enough I only had one sr (Alison)

And now I have none.

I'm struggling a bit.

Well, I'd like you to ISO Esooa and see what you think.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:20 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:53 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:49 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:45 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:40 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:54 am actually if I have 6 town reads (true) then it's not

6 town reads, tho later talks about how they don't have any SRs they feel strongly about...I don't get that logic at all

I think all your other posts have merit except this one because I tend to have a lot of tr and no sr as town. People can be null.

I guess, in a larger game, sure...


But how many nulls is that, and how many scum?


At least some...even just 1 decent SR would be necessary if a player has 6 TRs at this stage and this roster size IMO

Fair enough I only had one sr (Alison)

And now I have none.

I'm struggling a bit.

Well, I'd like you to ISO Esooa and see what you think.

What is your take on her whole monologue about never dying and she wasn't going to try during d3 and only show up for eod3?

I'm struggling to figure out why she would kill Alison over jjj (both are highly rated players) because Alison tr her and jjj I think had her in his poe?