Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I think it's better to leave it on Rico. I'm pretty sure he just TMIed Violet town as he also TMIed TSP town.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 pm I'm tempted to shake shit up and vote lucy right now.
I really don't feel like what I'm seeing from Dizzy is a wolf look.
It entails us dying together. That is all it means.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pm But I haven't gone back and tried to fully wrap my brain around the role yet.
Dizzy when you were loverized with Violet were you told what that would entail or is all of this based off what violet claimed?
I finished posting and logged off for my friend visit. I stated who I could vote and currently the sole avenue is Dizzy, due to self-pres. There's no tactic behind voting the self-pres at any given point, things can still change for an hour and half. Self-pres is the last resort move.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:19 pmFirst of all, Violet could just lie if mafia, no?Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pmIf Violet did not lie about the role description, then... no?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 pmAnd you can’t see how that possibly can be a mafia role?Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pmYes.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pm@Ricochet Is this the post you are referring to?Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.
Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
Also, second of all, the role could just work in the same way as Violet describes, just by taking down town with him instead of taking down mafia with him, no?
You are showing your TMI.
Yes, Violet could.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pmI think it's better to leave it on Rico. I'm pretty sure he just TMIed Violet town as he also TMIed TSP town.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 pm I'm tempted to shake shit up and vote lucy right now.
I really don't feel like what I'm seeing from Dizzy is a wolf look.
He's taking Violet's claim as truth, even though it's just Violet's words and not a flipped role. He's also taking how Violet says to use the role for granted. He's not considering that the role claim might be true, but the intent for targeting and the use of the role might be different. I think he just knows Violet is town and can't understand how the role could be used from mafia.
I also think he TMIed TSP town real hard.
So I think it's either Rico/Epig or Rico/Lucy. Don't know which. And this is probably too little too late.
Hypothesis A
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
b) This role is entirely fake (the BTSC). Violet is mafia. Dizzy and Violet could have crafted this narrative as mafia.[/QUOTE}
Will admit I didn't think of Violet crafting only the "wolves dare to kill me" part.
I'm not asking for an explanation, I'm asking how did you find out you would die with violet and vice versa?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pmIt entails us dying together. That is all it means.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pm But I haven't gone back and tried to fully wrap my brain around the role yet.
Dizzy when you were loverized with Violet were you told what that would entail or is all of this based off what violet claimed?
Enjoy your friend's visit.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:24 pmI finished posting and logged off for my friend visit. I stated who I could vote and currently the sole avenue is Dizzy, due to self-pres. There's no tactic behind voting the self-pres at any given point, things can still change for an hour and half. Self-pres is the last resort move.
Also, look at Rico's posts. I think he's TMIing Violet town, and I think he had TMI on TSP.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:24 pm @Epignosis @lucy
Whoever of you is town. Please listen up.
If Violet does not show up, ALL of town have to vote together this day phase. Please get caught up.
This is still valid.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:45 pm Going through Dolby's ISO.
It's probably a lot of "looks slightly good for this person" or "looks not good for this person". But that's all meh, and could easily be wrong. But I do have the thoughts and maybe I'll say something about that later.
One thing that sticks out to me is how serious and relatively much space Dolby used to talk and ask about me and Rico's fake kill. It looks to me like he really wanted to give the impression that he bought it and believed it. I think it fits Dolby's player style and make sure to show that like this in the specific case that he is mafia with Rico and already know that it is fake.
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:35 pmstill in catchup mode. don't really have suggestions for who rather as much as who not but we do match to an extent anyway. would argue towards one of the three wagons just on a basis of them having votes, though i don't see any of the three as having mutual exclusivity towards each otherCouple this with Dolby being critical about Rico's posts, but never pushing there.
Rico's mention of Dolby also doesn't hit me right in the gut. Especially early on when he says Dolby is "boasting" and asks if low-posting is normal for him. Characterising others as "boasting" is kind of a negative jab that usually you are less willing to throw around if you don't know another player and you don't know their alignment, while that kind of talk is more normal among mafia teammates in my experience.
And I just have a bad gut feeling about Rico. That's all.
For my own sanity, although it should be obvious, this may all be wrong. But that's where my head is right now.
I probably have other thoughts, but I'll wait.
[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine
Plus this post lolRicochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:00 pm6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:59 pm Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine
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Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:26 pmDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:19 pmFirst of all, Violet could just lie if mafia, no?Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pmIf Violet did not lie about the role description, then... no?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 pmAnd you can’t see how that possibly can be a mafia role?Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pmYes.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pm@Ricochet Is this the post you are referring to?Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.
Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
Also, second of all, the role could just work in the same way as Violet describes, just by taking down town with him instead of taking down mafia with him, no?
You are showing your TMI.
Yes, Violet could.
Hypothesis A
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
b) This role is entirely fake (the BTSC). Violet is mafia. Dizzy and Violet could have crafted this narrative as mafia.[/QUOTE}
Will admit I didn't think of Violet crafting only the "wolves dare to kill me" part.It is incorrect to assume I towncleared TSP with back knowledge. I argued against the extreme case of TSP bussing Dolby that savage for a full game. My argument was disputed by several and not followed.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pmI think it's better to leave it on Rico. I'm pretty sure he just TMIed Violet town as he also TMIed TSP town.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 pm I'm tempted to shake shit up and vote lucy right now.
I really don't feel like what I'm seeing from Dizzy is a wolf look.
He's taking Violet's claim as truth, even though it's just Violet's words and not a flipped role. He's also taking how Violet says to use the role for granted. He's not considering that the role claim might be true, but the intent for targeting and the use of the role might be different. I think he just knows Violet is town and can't understand how the role could be used from mafia.
I also think he TMIed TSP town real hard.
So I think it's either Rico/Epig or Rico/Lucy. Don't know which. And this is probably too little too late.
We got a chat where it says we're loverized until end of this day. Information given by the host.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:26 pmI'm not asking for an explanation, I'm asking how did you find out you would die with violet and vice versa?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pmIt entails us dying together. That is all it means.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pm But I haven't gone back and tried to fully wrap my brain around the role yet.
Dizzy when you were loverized with Violet were you told what that would entail or is all of this based off what violet claimed?
Alas.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:30 pm "It is incorrect to assume I towncleared TSP with back knowledge. I argued against the extreme case of TSP bussing Dolby that savage for a full game. My argument was disputed by several and not followed."
Well, you were the only one who saw it that way.
Yeah, but I don't think Violet is mafia. Lucy could only be mafia with Rico.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:32 pm Dizzy, here is the thing, lucy jumped right on a Dizzy vote when only Epi was there.
If violet is mafia, lucy is not the other one, because lucy would be sacrificing a teammate when lucy could have voted Rico with me instead.
lucy and violet can't be wolves together.
You didn't know town would reach that conclusion. You also didn't need to add on TSP. He was going down without your help and you had already argued for him being town.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:32 pmAlas.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:30 pm "It is incorrect to assume I towncleared TSP with back knowledge. I argued against the extreme case of TSP bussing Dolby that savage for a full game. My argument was disputed by several and not followed."
Well, you were the only one who saw it that way.
We're speaking WIFOM language here, but why would I not glee or attempt to hop on at TSP getting flak and mislynched, if Dolby were my teammate and this was the prevalent conclusion town had reached from Dolby's flip?
Me and Rico are obviously not teamed. =pSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:34 pm If you are mafia and Rico is mafia, I also do not see why he would hold his vote, yeah he loses a teammate, but he also takes out a civ. Would that lose the vis the game?
This is a valid assumption to anyone who still has me in their PoE.
It's not about what conclusion town reached in the end, it's about how I argued that the bus scenario is too extreme and mostly everyone said nah. We were in the midst of discussing it.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:35 pmYou didn't know town would reach that conclusion. You also didn't need to add on TSP. He was going down without your help and you had already argued for him being town.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:32 pmAlas.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:30 pm "It is incorrect to assume I towncleared TSP with back knowledge. I argued against the extreme case of TSP bussing Dolby that savage for a full game. My argument was disputed by several and not followed."
Well, you were the only one who saw it that way.
We're speaking WIFOM language here, but why would I not glee or attempt to hop on at TSP getting flak and mislynched, if Dolby were my teammate and this was the prevalent conclusion town had reached from Dolby's flip?
Rico/Epig is possible.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:35 pm If violet's claim is true, I can only see two options of teams lucy/Dizzy or lucy/Rico.
If I am really tinfoiling, lucy/Epi, but I just don't see that in Epi right now.
Yes?Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:37 pmIt's not about what conclusion town reached in the end, it's about how I argued that the bus scenario is too extreme and mostly everyone said nah. We were in the midst of discussing it.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:35 pmYou didn't know town would reach that conclusion. You also didn't need to add on TSP. He was going down without your help and you had already argued for him being town.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:32 pmAlas.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:30 pm "It is incorrect to assume I towncleared TSP with back knowledge. I argued against the extreme case of TSP bussing Dolby that savage for a full game. My argument was disputed by several and not followed."
Well, you were the only one who saw it that way.
We're speaking WIFOM language here, but why would I not glee or attempt to hop on at TSP getting flak and mislynched, if Dolby were my teammate and this was the prevalent conclusion town had reached from Dolby's flip?
It is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.
WIFOM.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:39 pmYes?Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:37 pmIt's not about what conclusion town reached in the end, it's about how I argued that the bus scenario is too extreme and mostly everyone said nah. We were in the midst of discussing it.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:35 pmYou didn't know town would reach that conclusion. You also didn't need to add on TSP. He was going down without your help and you had already argued for him being town.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:32 pmAlas.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:30 pm "It is incorrect to assume I towncleared TSP with back knowledge. I argued against the extreme case of TSP bussing Dolby that savage for a full game. My argument was disputed by several and not followed."
Well, you were the only one who saw it that way.
We're speaking WIFOM language here, but why would I not glee or attempt to hop on at TSP getting flak and mislynched, if Dolby were my teammate and this was the prevalent conclusion town had reached from Dolby's flip?
So if you are mafia, you knew TSP was town, thought that would obvious because of how he acted towards Dolby and argued for that.
He literally did.
Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.
Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
No. It's a direct accusation that you had TMI. That is something different.
Let's work on that.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:40 pmIt is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.
We are literally loverized. HE CONTINUES "it's more like a hostage taker". It is the exact same effect. Loverized is the word the host used. Violet is claiming it in a different flavour to try and show how the role is town sided. But it is the same effect. Me and Violet do not disagree.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:41 pmHe literally did.
Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.
Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
It's not a vig shot. Nobody is talking about a vig shot.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:43 pmLet's work on that.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:40 pmIt is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.
You saying you had chat is true.
Violet saying they just lock on to mafia and blow them up if nightkilled is not.
In that case.
[QUOTE}
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
[/QUOTE}
Do we lynch Violet?
What constellations are you seeing as possible again?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:41 pm Yeah, Dizzy is not bad here. Dizzy is town and either Epi or lucy, if one of you is town you need to move.
I think lucy is the right vote here.
I don't know how to interpret "hostage taking". @Violet could clear it up. As also clearing up if you two blow up together, to which the "wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own" bit sounds completely apart.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:45 pmWe are literally loverized. HE CONTINUES "it's more like a hostage taker". It is the exact same effect. Loverized is the word the host used. Violet is claiming it in a different flavour to try and show how the role is town sided. But it is the same effect. Me and Violet do not disagree.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:41 pmHe literally did.
Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.
Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
Poorly termed. A booby trap. Violet claims to be a mafia booby trap, if correctly "paired with a wolf".Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:46 pmIt's not a vig shot. Nobody is talking about a vig shot.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:43 pmLet's work on that.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:40 pmIt is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.
You saying you had chat is true.
Violet saying they just lock on to mafia and blow them up if nightkilled is not.
In that case.
[QUOTE}
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
[/QUOTE}
Do we lynch Violet?
It's just that we die as a pair. If one die, so does the other. It's not a shot.
Loverizer is a standard mechanic.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:48 pmI don't know how to interpret "hostage taking". @Violet could clear it up. As also clearing up if you two blow up together, to which the "wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own" bit sounds completely apart.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:45 pmWe are literally loverized. HE CONTINUES "it's more like a hostage taker". It is the exact same effect. Loverized is the word the host used. Violet is claiming it in a different flavour to try and show how the role is town sided. But it is the same effect. Me and Violet do not disagree.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:41 pmHe literally did.
Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.
Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
I'm losing faith in this arguing.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:49 pmPoorly termed. A booby trap. Violet claims to be a mafia booby trap, if correctly "paired with a wolf".Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:46 pmIt's not a vig shot. Nobody is talking about a vig shot.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:43 pmLet's work on that.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:40 pmIt is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.
You saying you had chat is true.
Violet saying they just lock on to mafia and blow them up if nightkilled is not.
In that case.
[QUOTE}
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
[/QUOTE}
Do we lynch Violet?
It's just that we die as a pair. If one die, so does the other. It's not a shot.
"wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own"
