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lol I totally would. I was just humoring both of us considering that game ending
NAI. (well I stand by the "no deviation" comment still).Hmmm... it sounded like you did though.
Hm, okay. I believe you.Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:30 pmnah. your earlier post about Bereft made me ISO him and Iirc he said sheep knew about his main. that's about it.
giggles.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:17 amTWTBW does not exist.
If you call someone TWTBW than they are either a wolf or a detriment to town who will be a designated misexe in F(X) either way they should always be killed with impunity.
why did you disagree with this Syn? I actually think it's sensible. (++ tutuu/lucy -> heh, I am finally getting something ordered to look at. glgl)Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:01 amdisagreedtutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:53 am I have a potentially dangerous townread on lucy. Let me write it out and see how it feels
Lucy has shared that she doesn't have high hopes for this playerlist / doesnt perceive it as too elite (when she thinks im one of the best ones, then we know its completely doomed for us all)
She received mere 3 votes, 19 hours before eod. As a wolf, given that shes not afraid of this town, and given that she doesnt think of herself lowly as a scum player, i am led to believe that she wouldnt crumble under pressure the way wolves do. She should know that self vote + ate is not a safe strategy for survival
Now lets assume shes town. She doesnt have high hopes for the list. She believes she is the only way town can win. She receives votes and scumreads, and players arent playing the way she wants to. Its not so hard to believe that she would turn cynical and think "i will show you peasants for not respecting me" (i want to punish you all). Its not a mindset thats hard to believe. I believe it
I would not put lucy in my towncore as of yet, but i do believe she is town
oh ok i get this comment nowLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:17 amRead these pages again. It's literally lucy who was posting this. It's not a me read.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:00 ami meant to comment on this post as i found it noteworthy for Le Petit just kinda coming in and announcing that lucy will be a MLLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:13 am reading about who is to blame for the incoming ML makes me sad and annoyed. PLease stop and play.
i'm slightly confused by this but also find it pretty townyPorscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:48 amI will admit that I have a personal problem ever trusting wilgy but I've already had that feeling I had the 1 time I caught him wolfing where its ... it's the sinking feeling that I'm gonna have to take him out back the shed
Like I could be wrong here
And I'm unsure I can put it into words rn
Day 2 I can get on my comp and sit there and force myself to articulate about specific posts or patterns but that wont happen by day 1 due to my time constraints
allright palCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:44 pmoh ok i get this comment nowLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:17 amRead these pages again. It's literally lucy who was posting this. It's not a me read.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:00 ami meant to comment on this post as i found it noteworthy for Le Petit just kinda coming in and announcing that lucy will be a MLLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:13 am reading about who is to blame for the incoming ML makes me sad and annoyed. PLease stop and play.
i got sidetracked irl
honestly, in a way I believe the same thing as Neon, but sometimes I will use TWTBAW in short game scenarios just to describe a vibe moreso then actually calling someone TWTBAW literally... if that makes senseLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:36 pmgiggles.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:17 amTWTBW does not exist.
If you call someone TWTBW than they are either a wolf or a detriment to town who will be a designated misexe in F(X) either way they should always be killed with impunity.
@Neon what had you done that you thought you were obviously out of wolf range?
this is word salad. First off, I really only qualify "opportune time" when it comes to voting without a majority rule to be near EOD. I wouldn't say it's opportunistic to vote in the middle of the day even if there is a lot happening. I don't know what "moves him up" means? Moves him up in terms of scum equity??? I have felt like moving off of Le Petit though tbh as they have seemed level headed this game.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:32 amIts simple your dismissal of my view of your scummy theatre with lucy plus moving your vote at an opportune time after the chaos shows that you can't be town core and cape voting for lpp moves him Up win win
ok. I wasn't giggling because of Neon's view on TWTBAW fwiw. Moreso because they like to be unreadable and won't do a s!%? to improve the situation (this isn't fair to you Neon, u were obv town in gocCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:54 pmhonestly, in a way I believe the same thing as Neon, but sometimes I will use TWTBAW in short game scenarios just to describe a vibe moreso then actually calling someone TWTBAW literally... if that makes senseLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:36 pmgiggles.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:17 amTWTBW does not exist.
If you call someone TWTBW than they are either a wolf or a detriment to town who will be a designated misexe in F(X) either way they should always be killed with impunity.
@Neon what had you done that you thought you were obviously out of wolf range?
), which would be policed by so many players it's not funny. I mean respect yourself and your wolf range, don't be shy, be townie when u actually rand villa (whatever that means for you).I think their posts got better later on but I feel like they could fit the archetype of wolf that seems to have towny takes. Though it does bother me this post which it feels like you have more thoughts then you have expressed, but you have a lot more posts i havent read yet soz i will hold that thoughtSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:56 am Okay, ISOing Bereft makes me think they're just a hit. Short ISO so I recommend y'all peruse.
They seem to only be focusing on Lucy (with a little OMGUS shade at Cape), and I ThInK they're scumreading Lucy? but I am not sure and don't really get their take. Instead it's just responding. They seem to consider "worlds where Lucy is town", but this looks more like lip service than anything. ISO ends with a meta townread on Sheep, which is meh.
Bad bad Bereft Brown, baddest man in the whole damn town, madder than ole' king kong, meaner than the junkyard dog.
1. do not talk OGI plzLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:03 pmok. I wasn't giggling because of Neon's view on TWTBAW fwiw. Moreso because they like to be unreadable and won't do a s!%? to improve the situation (this isn't fair to you Neon, u were obv town in gocCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:54 pmhonestly, in a way I believe the same thing as Neon, but sometimes I will use TWTBAW in short game scenarios just to describe a vibe moreso then actually calling someone TWTBAW literally... if that makes senseLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:36 pmgiggles.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:17 amTWTBW does not exist.
If you call someone TWTBW than they are either a wolf or a detriment to town who will be a designated misexe in F(X) either way they should always be killed with impunity.
@Neon what had you done that you thought you were obviously out of wolf range?
Think again buddy.Sheep wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:26 pmI mean I don't really agree with the reads, and I hadn't seen any evidence (and I don't think there was any). I thought that like
all of the people he wolfread were town, but also was too tired and not confident enough to actually ISO all of them.
I also firmly believe that like
there's no way Rondo will actually keep pushing this PoE for the whole game (especially bereft being town)
i don't think having a meltdown is generally town indicativeLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:42 pmwhy did you disagree with this Syn? I actually think it's sensible. (++ tutuu/lucy -> heh, I am finally getting something ordered to look at. glgl)Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:01 amdisagreedtutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:53 am I have a potentially dangerous townread on lucy. Let me write it out and see how it feels
Lucy has shared that she doesn't have high hopes for this playerlist / doesnt perceive it as too elite (when she thinks im one of the best ones, then we know its completely doomed for us all)
She received mere 3 votes, 19 hours before eod. As a wolf, given that shes not afraid of this town, and given that she doesnt think of herself lowly as a scum player, i am led to believe that she wouldnt crumble under pressure the way wolves do. She should know that self vote + ate is not a safe strategy for survival
Now lets assume shes town. She doesnt have high hopes for the list. She believes she is the only way town can win. She receives votes and scumreads, and players arent playing the way she wants to. Its not so hard to believe that she would turn cynical and think "i will show you peasants for not respecting me" (i want to punish you all). Its not a mindset thats hard to believe. I believe it
I would not put lucy in my towncore as of yet, but i do believe she is town
Actually I agree with this postBereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:52 pm Lucy is not a player in this game, I have never even heard of this account in my entire life.
+ Sheep, Rondo, Tutuu, Seanzie, Falcon
- Neon, Le poussin, pyxxy
In particular, Lucy deciding that Neon should have been the appointed savior of this game is off, certainly not in a game where I exist.
Neon reacting in the way they did to Lucy is awful regardless, policy votes are unequivocally terrible and as someone who has used policy votes explicitly as wolf as an excuse, Neon knows exactly how it works and should've desisted. The pair have done a great job in fabricating a world where they are wolf together in my imagination.
I wouldn't know that LPP has made good posts; I don't remember a word of what they've said.
Specifically the notes on Neon, everything else thatconflicts with my reads can goRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:16 pmActually I agree with this postBereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:52 pm Lucy is not a player in this game, I have never even heard of this account in my entire life.
+ Sheep, Rondo, Tutuu, Seanzie, Falcon
- Neon, Le poussin, pyxxy
In particular, Lucy deciding that Neon should have been the appointed savior of this game is off, certainly not in a game where I exist.
Neon reacting in the way they did to Lucy is awful regardless, policy votes are unequivocally terrible and as someone who has used policy votes explicitly as wolf as an excuse, Neon knows exactly how it works and should've desisted. The pair have done a great job in fabricating a world where they are wolf together in my imagination.
I wouldn't know that LPP has made good posts; I don't remember a word of what they've said.
I will keep this in mind, but it really doesn't tell me much of anything that didn't seem like a given
okaySheep wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:39 pmThis post confuses me tbh.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:30 amNobody in their right mind reads a comment like that and thinks "this is wolf making a perspective slip on town" LMAO
Also I've potentially figured out why the game's being so difficult in the first few pages, it's because the game didn't all exit RVS at the same time
show your work and I will adjust my listSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:31 pmThey're outed mafia. They've done nothing but focus on weird irrelevant things and not take stances while lightly shading Lucy. They more-or-less tried to discredit Rondo, whom is a difficult person for scum to play around (this is assuming Rondo is town, which has at least like a 72.89% chance of being true), and they claimed to be townspewed even though I don't see it. The last game I played with them, I almost instantly got the feeling that they had a depth of understanding of the gamestate far beyond what some of their posts suggested, and I have not gotten that feeling at all here (they were town last game, so this is a pretty stark contrast from that). Besides, they're outed mafia.
aaaaaaaand sheep is town. ISO links on page 1 are kinda buggySheep wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:37 pmHmm.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:31 pmThey're outed mafia. They've done nothing but focus on weird irrelevant things and not take stances while lightly shading Lucy. They more-or-less tried to discredit Rondo, whom is a difficult person for scum to play around (this is assuming Rondo is town, which has at least like a 72.89% chance of being true), and they claimed to be townspewed even though I don't see it. The last game I played with them, I almost instantly got the feeling that they had a depth of understanding of the gamestate far beyond what some of their posts suggested, and I have not gotten that feeling at all here (they were town last game, so this is a pretty stark contrast from that). Besides, they're outed mafia.
1) "Claiming to be townspewed"-- I'm 83.2% sure is because everybody was townreading him
2) Trying to discredit rondo -- I kind of agree with him on this so idk what to tell you
3) Rondo is a difficult for scum to play around -- He's also difficult for town to play around? Unless you think that Rondo is only pushing wolves and everybody should just recognize that which I don't think you do
4) "Done nothing but focus on weird irrelevant things" / lacking "the feeling that they had a depth of understanding of the gamestate far beyond what some of their posts suggested" -- Lemme think about this one I get where you're coming from but I'm not sure why I don't agree
5) lightly shading lucy -- meh whatever
have you not read thread?Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:03 pm oh lol I am actually a wagon. good lord townies.
Seriously, nobody has a problem with tutuu's game here?
?Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:13 pm1. do not talk OGI plzLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:03 pmok. I wasn't giggling because of Neon's view on TWTBAW fwiw. Moreso because they like to be unreadable and won't do a s!%? to improve the situation (this isn't fair to you Neon, u were obv town in gocCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:54 pmhonestly, in a way I believe the same thing as Neon, but sometimes I will use TWTBAW in short game scenarios just to describe a vibe moreso then actually calling someone TWTBAW literally... if that makes senseLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:36 pmgiggles.
@Neon what had you done that you thought you were obviously out of wolf range?
2. I have an okay wolf range but feel like I am overestimated to how good of a wolf I am
3. It means right now, and I am being towny. Get good at reading me
since you've said twice now that lucy and I are a difference check, why not join us on lucy, doctor?
how very wolfy of you to avoid placing a vote to have back analysis and spew when you fliptutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:25 pm Hey - just popping in to say i wont be participating for this eod - sorry!
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
Ive never in my life deliberately planned to end the day without voting, but i dont want to be making an uninformed vote. I have no real scumreads
Apologies if this is anti-town, it just feels better than a random vote to me, and i will participate and vote in all future eods
Fair enough to both.tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:47 pm"I feel like you've dropped in your interactions with me following rvs in spite of my content stream/depth increasing. Why is this?"
we weren't itt at the same time and/or i got overwhelmed with other players, most likely
"Odd you'd change a read area but not actively trying to improve that read if it's moved into null."
yeah well i have limited energy and a mortal body
i did ping you and the rest of my yellow reads asking for reads on each other
if lucy wolf could just pull things up like this im kinda scaredlucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:07 amhttps://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6530866
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6530875
read around here, i do this a lot
Their ISO is like half a page. I'm sure you can read it yourself if you're interested in checking my work.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:22 pmshow your work and I will adjust my listSeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:31 pmThey're outed mafia. They've done nothing but focus on weird irrelevant things and not take stances while lightly shading Lucy. They more-or-less tried to discredit Rondo, whom is a difficult person for scum to play around (this is assuming Rondo is town, which has at least like a 72.89% chance of being true), and they claimed to be townspewed even though I don't see it. The last game I played with them, I almost instantly got the feeling that they had a depth of understanding of the gamestate far beyond what some of their posts suggested, and I have not gotten that feeling at all here (they were town last game, so this is a pretty stark contrast from that). Besides, they're outed mafia.
OK, but I do think tutuu's perspective of lucy!this game is sound still. It's not about AtEers in general, it's about lucy and tutuu. I do concede this can be ww but I guess less probable is how I feel.Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:14 pmi don't think having a meltdown is generally town indicativeLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:42 pmwhy did you disagree with this Syn? I actually think it's sensible. (++ tutuu/lucy -> heh, I am finally getting something ordered to look at. glgl)Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:01 amdisagreedtutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:53 am I have a potentially dangerous townread on lucy. Let me write it out and see how it feels
Lucy has shared that she doesn't have high hopes for this playerlist / doesnt perceive it as too elite (when she thinks im one of the best ones, then we know its completely doomed for us all)
She received mere 3 votes, 19 hours before eod. As a wolf, given that shes not afraid of this town, and given that she doesnt think of herself lowly as a scum player, i am led to believe that she wouldnt crumble under pressure the way wolves do. She should know that self vote + ate is not a safe strategy for survival
Now lets assume shes town. She doesnt have high hopes for the list. She believes she is the only way town can win. She receives votes and scumreads, and players arent playing the way she wants to. Its not so hard to believe that she would turn cynical and think "i will show you peasants for not respecting me" (i want to punish you all). Its not a mindset thats hard to believe. I believe it
I would not put lucy in my towncore as of yet, but i do believe she is town
also i started playing mafia in an era of cfc mafia where brutally insulting people personally was the go-to tactic for wolfing, to great success, because people get put on the backpedal and they start second-guessing themselves
also also i frown upon anyone who self-describes as a god. simply no interest in entertaining that
Sir this is a nice post but where is your conclusion? Analysis for analysis sakeCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:29 pm Ima just rant for a second
last night this game became very annoying, didn't help I was tired, but when lucy was pushed by someone who lucy said was borderline outing, but also... TWTBAW? But then lucy just kind of self-voted and said "I hate all of you and hope town loses" basically. Then keeps threatening to leave, comes back to complain more, susses neon, and now I see that they did like... an ISO on DrWigly. You see I think lucy's just randomness that happened after she got pushed is just town. I don't see why they don't just defend normally. They are way less likely to get votes. IMO scum are just more likely just to be like "blah blah blah these are the reasons why im town" instead of having the overblown reaction lucy did. Lucy's whole thing just seems so sloppy if they are wolf. And it's not like I disagree that I think Neon could be wolf, it's hard to tell with them sometimes, but they do still feel a bit... off from my experience with her.
When I had the expectation this was gonna be a fairly chill game, this got me on edge though and I apologize to Rondo, I was just easily annoyed at stuff.
Now concerning that, I do ask Rondo a question... If all of me/lucy/tutuu/DrWigly were all just gone, we all got thanos snapped per se, where would the content be? A lot of it has revolved around us. I townread lucy and DrWigly early on because they seemed to be the ones that were getting the game going with stuff and things.
While I was never a fan of the mech stuff that tutuu was doing, I townread most of the other things because I just found myself nodding along to them... sometimes, I wasn't sure what the DrWigly mech townread was about at the time.
While I found tutuu's shift of Rondo a bit abrupt, I didn't find tutuu's townread on Bereft to be that way.
Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:34 am I do not understand why you all are still engaging with Rondo. It's obvious they're just going to keep spitting out responses to justify their "readlists" each time any one of you says something. And yes I do believe this implies that most of their responses have been unserious.These 2 posts happened between the null read and the town read and these are a couple of the towniest things Bereft had said up to that point. Which is why I questioned Rondo about it specifically.
oh okay i haven't read many of your posts in general but you seem to be in everyone's POEs which from realtiming, im not sure I necessarily see. But alright. I did mean to speak about your neon comment but i didnt have anything to add except for a nod igLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:28 pm?Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:13 pm1. do not talk OGI plzLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:03 pmok. I wasn't giggling because of Neon's view on TWTBAW fwiw. Moreso because they like to be unreadable and won't do a s!%? to improve the situation (this isn't fair to you Neon, u were obv town in gocCape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:54 pmhonestly, in a way I believe the same thing as Neon, but sometimes I will use TWTBAW in short game scenarios just to describe a vibe moreso then actually calling someone TWTBAW literally... if that makes senseLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:36 pmgiggles.
@Neon what had you done that you thought you were obviously out of wolf range?
2. I have an okay wolf range but feel like I am overestimated to how good of a wolf I am
3. It means right now, and I am being towny. Get good at reading me
That was a general answer to your general comment. Nothing related to this particular game. I already posted u were being townie here. Sorry u took it wrong lol, it really wasn't meant that way.
I did not wish to add to what inhibited Lucy and out them on the AtE spree on the chance allowing them time would help solve.
