The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:52 pm What I think is neat is that there's been plenty of people calling Nook scum but not a single vote on him.

Is anyone feeling that there should be votes there but there's a resistance occuring?

There were votes on me earlier, as many as 4 iirc

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:02 pm Also @Porscha I see what you mean with potential “opportunistic” from tuutu with their bandwagon, but since then they seemed to bounce around elsewhere and onto other slots? What were ur thoughts there?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:55 pm And mama porscha has been defending me, all hail her glorious reads

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:55 pm And mama porscha has been defending me, all hail her glorious reads

I'd call it a day 1 pass more than defending

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:41 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:27 pm I feel like sabi focused on the first half of the lucy problem. Rondo saw the second half. I'm kind of surprised rondo didnt sr sabi, or at the very least show suspicion on sabi, for their read on lucy

Eh I didn't want to push sabi at that time. Are you trying to scum read me here without saying it?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:35 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:25 pm If anything the thing I'm having trouble squaring is how arogame and rondo would theoretically be partnered given aro is my scum read and the wagon I am and have been pushing, and so this is an argument for townreading Rondo's actions, but the way it went down during the last bit where you were forced to full claim is just straight up scummy.

Rondo has repeatedly tried to kill the wagon.

Rondo hasn't read lucy post and just confidently townread them even tho behavior is similar to hedgehog.

Hasn't tried to solve lucy and instead sr those pushing on lucy.

What do I get when lucy flips town?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:48 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:52 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:12 pm For post game cred the team is aro/nanook/tutuu

your brain is so sexy. I really feel this read rn lol

Does this make sense from the perspective of Tutuu was fanning the Lucy debacle, per Rondo's opinion on that?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:49 pm Ok im just gonna blow my last post to ask a question given the current wagon situation. I guess I'll stick around for 10-15 min and then I really need to sleep.

Is there anyone who thinks neither Aro nor pyxxy is scum and that we should be looking elsewhere? If so, who, and what are your reasons?

You got about 10 min to give me a compelling case on where to vote, otherwise I'm voting according to what I've already gathered.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:54 pm Esp when you have people supposedly sheeping you.

Rondo and Aro will shift their votes to pyxxy causing it to be 6-6 and a tied end vote.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:14 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:54 pm Esp when you have people supposedly sheeping you.

Rondo and Aro will shift their votes to pyxxy causing it to be 6-6 and a tied end vote.

I'm... Already on pyxxy?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:22 pm Ok got to go

In no order

Rondo probably town

Porscha town

Sean probably town

Tutuu probably mafia but im not sure I believe it lol

Kate town

Wwa town

Dennis maybe town

Neon probably town

Still think lucy/aro town

Everyone else is shrugze

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:07 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:35 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:25 pm If anything the thing I'm having trouble squaring is how arogame and rondo would theoretically be partnered given aro is my scum read and the wagon I am and have been pushing, and so this is an argument for townreading Rondo's actions, but the way it went down during the last bit where you were forced to full claim is just straight up scummy.

Rondo has repeatedly tried to kill the wagon.

Rondo hasn't read lucy post and just confidently townread them even tho behavior is similar to hedgehog.

Hasn't tried to solve lucy and instead sr those pushing on lucy.

What do I get when lucy flips town?

More wrenches. Why dont you care about what we do with and after the flip instead of the flips alignment

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:14 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:54 pm Esp when you have people supposedly sheeping you.

Rondo and Aro will shift their votes to pyxxy causing it to be 6-6 and a tied end vote.

I'm... Already on pyxxy?

Have you heard of a thing called at the time when I said that you were on falcon. Shocking I know

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:21 pm I am very clearly a pikachu and not a mimikyu or a ditto

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:28 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:22 pm Ok got to go

In no order

Rondo probably town

Porscha town

Sean probably town

Tutuu probably mafia but im not sure I believe it lol

Kate town

Wwa town

Dennis maybe town

Neon probably town

Still think lucy/aro town

Everyone else is shrugze

How is Kate town?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:50 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:28 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:22 pm Ok got to go

In no order

Rondo probably town

Porscha town

Sean probably town

Tutuu probably mafia but im not sure I believe it lol

Kate town

Wwa town

Dennis maybe town

Neon probably town

Still think lucy/aro town

Everyone else is shrugze

How is Kate town?

I'm really good or I have tmi, take your pick

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:03 pm caught up here's you go

Dennis - towny > scummy meh > scum
DrWilgy - scummy > towny > town
falcon45ca - scummy > towny
Kate - scummy > kinda feel like Dennis is TMIing her town
Lilypetal - town > towny
lucy - scummy > scum > scummy > scum > scummy > Arogame > scummy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - towny
Neon - town
Porscha - town > lock town never rescind
pyxxy - scummy > scum
RondoDimBuckle - scummy > towny
Sabiplz - scummy
Seanzie - scummy > towny
tutuu - scummy > towny > scum
WindwardAway - scummy > towny > town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm [ed note: my big rondo case was here]
Why can't it be we are both town?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:07 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:01 am This is VERY against my meta, normally I wait until after like the half day mark to vote but I think Lucy is being genuine here so I'll entertain it

Lol and then the vote on my slot later?! Idk tbh, the progression seems odd and this would fit the “early tmi mafia” potentially.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:03 pm caught up here's you go

Dennis - towny > scummy meh > scum
DrWilgy - scummy > towny > town
falcon45ca - scummy > towny
Kate - scummy > kinda feel like Dennis is TMIing her town
Lilypetal - town > towny
lucy - scummy > scum > scummy > scum > scummy > Arogame > scummy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - towny
Neon - town
Porscha - town > lock town never rescind
pyxxy - scummy > scum
RondoDimBuckle - scummy > towny
Sabiplz - scummy
Seanzie - scummy > towny
tutuu - scummy > towny > scum
WindwardAway - scummy > towny > town

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:12 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm [ed note: my big rondo case was here]
Why can't it be we are both town?

How is this your response to my case, which clearly laid out how I saw the arguments for town Rondo and scum Rondo, and why I landed on scum Rondo?

It feels like you're not taking me seriously. Maybe you're going "tut tut, that newbie pyxxy thinking they're onto something" in your head rn and that's why I'm getting this impression, also I'm not caught up and maybe you actually talk to me later (I checked my tags first), but like you're not actually talking with me.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:10 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:25 pm If anything the thing I'm having trouble squaring is how arogame and rondo would theoretically be partnered given aro is my scum read and the wagon I am and have been pushing, and so this is an argument for townreading Rondo's actions, but the way it went down during the last bit where you were forced to full claim is just straight up scummy.

He wasn't forced to full claim hahaja

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:26 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:10 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:25 pm If anything the thing I'm having trouble squaring is how arogame and rondo would theoretically be partnered given aro is my scum read and the wagon I am and have been pushing, and so this is an argument for townreading Rondo's actions, but the way it went down during the last bit where you were forced to full claim is just straight up scummy.

He wasn't forced to full claim hahaja

Oops I totally missed that
Yeah pyxxy, Rondo is right, I just went and did it for the sake of clarification.

Ok I have two posts left after this and I'm not sticking around much longer but any more questions for me? From anyone?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:48 am So many things to ignore with the wwa and pyxxy posts

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:15 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:12 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm [ed note: my big rondo case was here]
Why can't it be we are both town?

How is this your response to my case, which clearly laid out how I saw the arguments for town Rondo and scum Rondo, and why I landed on scum Rondo?

It feels like you're not taking me seriously. Maybe you're going "tut tut, that newbie pyxxy thinking they're onto something" in your head rn and that's why I'm getting this impression, also I'm not caught up and maybe you actually talk to me later (I checked my tags first), but like you're not actually talking with me.

Your post's are big and I am phone posting so mainly replying to points I care about. Nice trim btw. My main issue is you setting it up as 100% W/t and not t/t or W/W that's what caught my eye

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 pm I still cement there's at minimum 1 wolf in rondo/lucygame

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:07 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:01 am This is VERY against my meta, normally I wait until after like the half day mark to vote but I think Lucy is being genuine here so I'll entertain it

Lol and then the vote on my slot later?! Idk tbh, the progression seems odd and this would fit the “early tmi mafia” potentially.

Typically my reads change from after the first hour of the game

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:50 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:28 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:22 pm Ok got to go

In no order

Rondo probably town

Porscha town

Sean probably town

Tutuu probably mafia but im not sure I believe it lol

Kate town

Wwa town

Dennis maybe town

Neon probably town

Still think lucy/aro town

Everyone else is shrugze

How is Kate town?

I'm really good or I have tmi, take your pick

Tell me about pyxxy

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:59 pm @Kate has been modkilled. Please do not discuss the reasoning for why this might've happened. Her flip will happen at the end of Day 1.

Spoiler: show

@arogame123
@Dennis
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@Kate
@Lilypetal
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@Porscha
@pyxxy
@RondoDimBuckle
@Sabiplz
@Seanzie
@tutuu
@WindwardAway

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 pm I still cement there's at minimum 1 wolf in rondo/lucygame

bro... are you powerwolfing or what?

I am town and I tr Rondo for how his approach this game and chaotic Rondo is NAI, but the way they have kept everyone engaged and constantly pestering people's reads and even pushing on Wind is rand>townie imo.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:08 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:38 pm Hello, I am back for a bit. Will be a bit on and off and didn’t read too much back but more so just in real-time stuff after I left.

I probably won’t be able to get a full view until like tomorrow or something (that is if I live )

But I do have some thoughts on what I’ve seen/read that I’ll like to share.

My towns are: Wind, Porscha, Rondo, Nook

Town leans on Seanzie, Kate, and Sabi

Null-ish - Tuutu, Lily?

PoE: Falcon/Dennise/Rxxy

I explained on the others but I’ll focus on Nook, Seanzie, and Sabi a bit.

I feel that Nook is getting sr for “nai” nook things esp irt his “lazy” play or way he’s forming scum reads. I also looked over my predecessor’s reads and I also had a similar feeling of Nook that he’s vibing within the game and isn’t to worried about his appearance and just doing his thing. I also felt with how he worked with Porscha wasn’t a “pure” sheep but was just him discussing/bouncing thoughts with Porscha. He’s willing to work with others and figure out where he stands. Nook is town for me and I think it’s likely a mafia or two might be attempting to utilise nai things to sr him or even mischaracterise his play.

Seanzie is an interesting one and a town lean because I like his tone and his approach to his sr have an internal consistency that I view from other games I’ve played with him that he’s very “tunnelled” on certain aspects of people’s games and usually follows more of gamestates to make reads if you will irt my slot and Nooks. The reason tho that Seanzie is a town lean is that his perspective with me/Rondo/Nook isn’t good imo and I’m worried it could be potentially power wolf but I also know seanzie’s reads aren’t like always 100% so I’ll wait and see how that develops, but if he’s town, I have faith.

I briefly thought about it and it seems like Tuutu does have more of a “messy progression” with their jumps between wind/rondo and even my slot which feels that feels “town” to me. The other thing is I tend to feel it’s rand town for players that hyper post and post cape way before eod because it demonstrates a lack of awareness if they’re mafia that they would be more cautious and worrisome about their pc. But in general tuutu feels ok to me. I kept them in null townie because it’s not as confident as others but there are some things there that I can see as townie indicative.

Sabi is an interesting one and despite their scum read on me, I thought about it and I think I can see some “confbias” things from a t!Sabi pov despite the fact their push on me isn’t great. I think the way Sabi handles their push with containing to feel that I am always mafia and is clearly advocating to continue pushing/kill me is actually a good look for them, bc I know as mafia, Sabi is more “low key” and hedges a lot. So I town lean and feel their “micro” wording of their case on me is a townie confbias more likely than not.

Lily is just null for me and I think as the game goes on and she gets more content out there, they’ll be more AI for me to read. I think their vote on me/initial feelings were fair and justified but they’re just firmly null.

I scum read falcon because his approach to voting me and overall play this game is not townie and feels like he’s holding a crutch this game to “sheep” others in order to make votes and to interject within the game to make reads even though he doesn’t have a strong internal conviction within himself about it. I also did note that Wilgy said that falcon hasn’t town told but then didn’t want to kill Falcon today as he’s easier to read down the line, so this could be a potential w/w if falcon is mafia.

Dennise feels lost to me in not a townie way? Like they’re asking people for questions to get in the game but then it doesn’t feel that they’re doing much with it to make concrete reads or push a certain direction. She is one of my least confident sr, so take that as u will.

Pxxy is scummy to me for their approach to my slot as well and especially calling out my questioning of PorCha. They said that I claimed to quote a post that Porscha didn’t know I was in the game and was unjustly questioning her, but Porscha clearly stated “Aro” when discussing about killing me. It just seems like pxxy is attempting to push me for my entrance/approach to the game while also backing and saying “I could see this as town” “maybe this is ok.” And to me, it seems that pxxy is holding themselves back from scum reading me fully with some of their hedgy language. Additionally, I feel their paranoi on Rondo doesn’t come off as genuine to me and is a bit Fluffy to me? Like once again, it feels like it’s fence sitting between two sides and lightly pushing one in order to avoid taking a concrete stance. It feels like that type of refuge audacity one can make to appear “contrarian” but it doesn’t come off as genuine to me.

I strongly dislike your interpretations of sean and tutuu, specifically. sean and windward are my two top town. I believe windward's claim and sean is actually just the best version I have ever seen him be and I agree with a lot of what he has said. this timeline is the best version of sean ever created

I dont really agree with your pyxxy take either but i'm more willing to believe you believe what you're saying about them

re: tutuu, you noted that you saw lucy's takes on nook. did you not see lucy's takes on tutuu being her top sr? or did you and you disagree? do you think how I pressured tutuu on her lucy progression was worth any weight in gold or do you feel like i'm missing the mark somewhere? sorry I know you probably didnt go through the entire progression I had with tutuu on your slot but I think you should since it is very pertinent to you and how the game will progress if / when you filp

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:23 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:07 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:01 am This is VERY against my meta, normally I wait until after like the half day mark to vote but I think Lucy is being genuine here so I'll entertain it

Lol and then the vote on my slot later?! Idk tbh, the progression seems odd and this would fit the “early tmi mafia” potentially.

Typically my reads change from after the first hour of the game

Lol...

But explain why you also feel the gamestate is one where mafia is sheeping/lurking behind others and then you chose to vote me when you did?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:22 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:15 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:12 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm [ed note: my big rondo case was here]
Why can't it be we are both town?

How is this your response to my case, which clearly laid out how I saw the arguments for town Rondo and scum Rondo, and why I landed on scum Rondo?

It feels like you're not taking me seriously. Maybe you're going "tut tut, that newbie pyxxy thinking they're onto something" in your head rn and that's why I'm getting this impression, also I'm not caught up and maybe you actually talk to me later (I checked my tags first), but like you're not actually talking with me.

Your post's are big and I am phone posting so mainly replying to points I care about. Nice trim btw. My main issue is you setting it up as 100% W/t and not t/t or W/W that's what caught my eye

Okay here I'll real time. You're talking about W/t as in wolf!Rondo / town/WWA? Am I getting that right?

If yes then I feel like my response about ending up with lock town WWA as my best read in this game clarifies the WWA t half of the equation, and my case on your explains the W _and_ possible t half on your side, and why I scum read you for it.

If no then sorry and I'll wait for your response to understand exactly what you're asking me.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 pm I still cement there's at minimum 1 wolf in rondo/lucygame

bro... are you powerwolfing or what?

I am town and I tr Rondo for how his approach this game and chaotic Rondo is NAI, but the way they have kept everyone engaged and constantly pestering people's reads and even pushing on Wind is rand>townie imo.

No I'm quite literally town.

Rondo is a shell of himself. There's no pure town pings from him at all and I'm good at reading Rondo. He hasn't towntold or done anything that is giving me genuine feels.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:26 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:23 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:07 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:01 am This is VERY against my meta, normally I wait until after like the half day mark to vote but I think Lucy is being genuine here so I'll entertain it

Lol and then the vote on my slot later?! Idk tbh, the progression seems odd and this would fit the “early tmi mafia” potentially.

Typically my reads change from after the first hour of the game

Lol...

But explain why you also feel the gamestate is one where mafia is sheeping/lurking behind others and then you chose to vote me when you did?

Cuz my brain throws up ideas and if one makes sense enough to me I'll say it

It depends on your flip at this point

Also were you the one who called me dennise cuz my name is dennis