The Syndicate

Flyin' High wrote:You call it saving, I call it framing. I am not the sassy black woman, I am a civvie. But clearly no amount of me trying to prove that this game matters. And why are you completely ignoring my helping to get DH lynched yesterday? I didn't jump on the DH bandwagon, I was like the first or second to vote for him (I can't remember if K4J's vote was there before mine or not).

I am curious as to how Aces survived the lynch. Because the only way to survive a lynch in the roles is by being a baddie (unless you're TH and have a magical way of doing it that I still haven't figured out).

kneel4justice wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:You call it saving, I call it framing. I am not the sassy black woman, I am a civvie. But clearly no amount of me trying to prove that this game matters. And why are you completely ignoring my helping to get DH lynched yesterday? I didn't jump on the DH bandwagon, I was like the first or second to vote for him (I can't remember if K4J's vote was there before mine or not).

I am curious as to how Aces survived the lynch. Because the only way to survive a lynch in the roles is by being a baddie (unless you're TH and have a magical way of doing it that I still haven't figured out).

Are you saying that the reason you were not lynched, was because people were framing you? Because if so, that makes no sense to me. Why would someone "frame" you by saving you from being lynched? Isn't the goal of framing someone to get them lynched? And isn't the idea of stopping someone from being lynched, saving them? But it sounds to me like you're saying the opposite. I don't get that at all?

Flyin' High wrote:Do you think Epi is misguided civvie or clever mafia? (See any of the posts I've previously made on him if you need a refresher)

Flyin' High wrote:What do you think about Sorsha? Or Elohcin? Two players that keep showing up to vote at the end of lynches but have barely contributed to any discussion whatsoever.

Flyin' High wrote:I don't think whoever caused Aces to be up for the lynch instead of me thought he'd survive.

Flyin' High wrote:Kneel4Justice and TH: Can you take off the blinders you have on me for one moment and consider other things I've said? What do you think about Aces surviving that lynch? He had suspicion on him earlier (not just from me), but that seems to have vanished--why?

Flyin' High wrote:Do you think Epi is misguided civvie or clever mafia? (See any of the posts I've previously made on him if you need a refresher)

Flyin' High wrote:What do you think about Sorsha? Or Elohcin? Two players that keep showing up to vote at the end of lynches but have barely contributed to any discussion whatsoever.

Flyin' High wrote:Well, if Aces had been lynched and flipped civvie, wouldn't you still be talking about me and saying, "FH is SOOOO bad!" Yeah, it's the perfect frame--and hey, he may not have flipped civvie because he didn't die at all, but guess what, you're still talking about me. I'm being talked about at the distraction to everything else today. And when you guys continue to ignore the points I've tried to make and vote to lynch me again, my guess is third time will be a charm and you'll finally see I've been telling the truth this entire game.

I don't think whoever caused Aces to be up for the lynch instead of me thought he'd survive.

And let me try to make this point again. For me to have lived on Day 8, either doin' it in the butt or the taint and some combination of midgets/smegma/other had to happen for me to not be up for that lynch. If it was doin' it in the butt (DH) who "saved" me, then I immediately turned around and voted to lynch him the following day. What a way to say thanks to someone! If it was the taint I'd make the same argument except that I went hard after that team and narrowed down the potential PB candidates to 3 people which helped lead to rey's lynch days ago.

I am not bad. I am baddie hunting. And because I've been so vocal this game, I have made myself an easy target for baddie manipulation.

I really want the civvies to pull out a win on this game and have been very happy that the night kills keep failing because I know it's gotta be driving the mafia crazy.

But as I was feeling and expressed a couple of days ago, it is exhausting to defend myself for days on end. I am a civvie and I've been trying hard. But I also see why I appear bad. I can't deny that a very simple explanation for me surviving the Day 8 lynch is that I am the sassy black woman and DH used his power to save me. It makes sense. But it's just not true.

Another point I'll try to make again, Epi has been on my radar for days. Why would I want to kill my number one lynch suspect at night like Sassy tried to do last night?

Kneel4Justice and TH: Can you take off the blinders you have on me for one moment and consider other things I've said? What do you think about Aces surviving that lynch? He had suspicion on him earlier (not just from me), but that seems to have vanished--why?

Do you think Epi is misguided civvie or clever mafia? (See any of the posts I've previously made on him if you need a refresher)

What do you think about Sorsha? Or Elohcin? Two players that keep showing up to vote at the end of lynches but have barely contributed to any discussion whatsoever.

Turnip Head wrote: -- You voted DH? Of course you did, everyone did except me and SVS. Baddie teammates have to turn on each other eventually if they want to keep their civvie cred. I will have to go back and see if you've suspected DH all game or not, but from memory you have not. You mainly went after Rey, Ace, and INH. I don't remember seeing much suspicion of DH from you.

-- You wouldn't NK Epi? Why not? I know you said he was your top suspect, but you've mentioned him for a few days now and there has been almost no support for him to be lynched. Why wouldn't you NK him then? Also, he suspected you initially, but then backed off. This all fits the profile for a baddie's NK target pretty perfectly.

Epignosis wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Do you think Epi is misguided civvie or clever mafia? (See any of the posts I've previously made on him if you need a refresher)

One of those is so true.

kneel4justice wrote:Switching you with Ace does not make any sense to me. The goal of framing someone is to get them lynched, if the mafia's goal was to lynch you why not just let you be lynched? Why worry about going to the trouble of wasting their power on getting Ace lynched? That makes no sense to me. I hear what you're saying but I do not see how logically it makes sense. They did not need anyone to come out saying "FH is SOOO bad!" because obviously people felt it already, enough to lynch you.

Turnip Head wrote:Yeah Epi but if the Trumps had just let FH be lynched instead of saving her to frame her, she would be dead, and the Trumps would still have their buttsore ability to later frame someone or save someone. There was no reason for DH to use the buttsore ability during a civvie's lynch, especially since no one else was really up for the lynch that day.

Turnip Head wrote:You're right. If there was to ever be a frame opportunity, that would be it. I guess I just don't think that's what went down. FH would have reacted differently if she were truly being framed. That's my gut read of the situation.

Turnip Head wrote:FH, I think for me it comes down to how you left the thread on the day you were being lynched. Then you only returned later, once you had survived. It's like you did not want to be around in the interim, in the moments before you were supposed to be lynched. Because you knew that you would not die, and I don't think you wanted to fake your indignity at being lynched, only to then turn around and have to fake being surprised as well when you survived. I think you knew you would survive the lynch that day. I can't prove it, but in my gut I feel it.

Furthermore, if you were a civvie, and you saw that you miraculously survived, I think you would have run off immediately to see how that would be possible, and you would have very quickly realized you were being framed. But if I recall correctly, you barely addressed your survival until I prodded you for your thoughts. I don't think a civvie would have approached it in the way that you did.

That's why I think you're the sassy black woman, and that's why I'm voting for you.

Flyin' High wrote:Then just vote me. If you are so certain you are right. Clearly your opinion hasn't been changed one iota by anything I've posted in defense of myself.

I'm sorry that I can't convince you that you're wrong. I don't know what else to say.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Yeah Epi but if the Trumps had just let FH be lynched instead of saving her to frame her, she would be dead, and the Trumps would still have their buttsore ability to later frame someone or save someone. There was no reason for DH to use the buttsore ability during a civvie's lynch, especially since no one else was really up for the lynch that day.

That no one was really up for the lynch that day makes for a perfect frame up opportunity- run two lynches with one move. If you use the power to save yourself, then you've drawn attention to yourself and you are doomed (see Rey).

kneel4justice wrote:I think SVS is bad too.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Yeah Epi but if the Trumps had just let FH be lynched instead of saving her to frame her, she would be dead, and the Trumps would still have their buttsore ability to later frame someone or save someone. There was no reason for DH to use the buttsore ability during a civvie's lynch, especially since no one else was really up for the lynch that day.

That no one was really up for the lynch that day makes for a perfect frame up opportunity- run two lynches with one move. If you use the power to save yourself, then you've drawn attention to yourself and you are doomed (see Rey).

So do you think those who voted for FH are bad?

Elohcin wrote:now.

Elohcin wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:I think SVS is bad too.

reasons?

Epignosis wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Then just vote me. If you are so certain you are right. Clearly your opinion hasn't been changed one iota by anything I've posted in defense of myself.

I'm sorry that I can't convince you that you're wrong. I don't know what else to say.

What bothers me beyond the obvious stuff is that instead of coming up with a case for anyone at all, you bring up Sorsha and Eloh (and me). You don't say anything about any of us beyond how two are being quiet and one is "on your radar."

And you vote for Aces for surviving a lynch that (presumably) a bad team made possible? Hell, I've survived two Night kills myself!

kneel4justice wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:I think SVS is bad too.

reasons?

Because I think that baddies probably new civvies would want to rezz SVS and decided to pile up their votes on her so she would come back baddie. Her insistence on believing TH is bad could be genuine but makes me feel as though she is trying to appear to be of the same alignment she left the game with. She also made a comment that she thinks TH killed her and that surprised me because I thought she hid behind Bass and got killed that way, although this is just an assumption.

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:I think SVS is bad too.

reasons?

Because I think that baddies probably new civvies would want to rezz SVS and decided to pile up their votes on her so she would come back baddie. Her insistence on believing TH is bad could be genuine but makes me feel as though she is trying to appear to be of the same alignment she left the game with. She also made a comment that she thinks TH killed her and that surprised me because I thought she hid behind Bass and got killed that way, although this is just an assumption.

See, I don't agree there at all. I read boo's post. It said SOLO Baddie. That means a bad guy with no affiliation to any bad team that brought her back. If anything, S~V~S is independent, but I do not believe she has come back as a solo bad guy (possibly with a kill, which has not manifested itself). That would be foolish on the part of the team that voted her. She's either civilian or independent.

kneel4justice wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:I think SVS is bad too.

reasons?

Because I think that baddies probably new civvies would want to rezz SVS and decided to pile up their votes on her so she would come back baddie. Her insistence on believing TH is bad could be genuine but makes me feel as though she is trying to appear to be of the same alignment she left the game with. She also made a comment that she thinks TH killed her and that surprised me because I thought she hid behind Bass and got killed that way, although this is just an assumption.

See, I don't agree there at all. I read boo's post. It said SOLO Baddie. That means a bad guy with no affiliation to any bad team that brought her back. If anything, S~V~S is independent, but I do not believe she has come back as a solo bad guy (possibly with a kill, which has not manifested itself). That would be foolish on the part of the team that voted her. She's either civilian or independent.

But SVS would be able to win with either team, correct? So why not add to their numbers by rezzing another baddie? That is one less civvie they have to worry about out numbering, at least IMO. I did not think that if someone was rezzed as a baddie they would get a kill, I just thought that meant their alignment would be bad.

Epignosis wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Then just vote me. If you are so certain you are right. Clearly your opinion hasn't been changed one iota by anything I've posted in defense of myself.

I'm sorry that I can't convince you that you're wrong. I don't know what else to say.

What bothers me beyond the obvious stuff is that instead of coming up with a case for anyone at all, you bring up Sorsha and Eloh (and me). You don't say anything about any of us beyond how two are being quiet and one is "on your radar."

And you vote for Aces for surviving a lynch that (presumably) a bad team made possible? Hell, I've survived two Night kills myself!

Epignosis wrote:
But S~V~S would not have BTSC, and therefore would not know with whom she could win. She would be, from what I read, an independent for all intents and purposes, only a bad guy-friendly one. I wouldn't want to resurrect a solo bad guy if I were bad. Would you?

And the fact that there have been no solo Mafia kills makes me certain S~V~S is either independent or civilian.

S~V~S wrote:Oh crap, I did not realize it was this close to the end. I do not think FH is bad, she rings true to me. And i am tired of beating my head into the wall of wool TH is pulling about, so i randomized!

What do you think of THAT!?!?!

S~V~S wrote:Did you guys not read her arguments on why she was not likely to be a baddie?

Flyin' High wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Ah.