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You oughtta read this post then.MovingPictures07 wrote:So I'm trying to be super open-minded about S~V~S, knowing that I consistently read her wrong ALWAYS, but why did she say she wasn't going to vote for BF on Day 1 and then did anyway?
I agree most with this post re: Day 1.DFaraday wrote:Ugh, all this BF/Golden/SVS/Bullz/Zomberella/Whoever Else stuff is mind boggling. As it stands to me though, I think BF was probably an overexcited civ who made a bad decision. I don't think a baddie would create such a spectacle around themselves. I don't really see anyone in this conflict as particularly suspicious, just a whole lot of butting heads.
I do think it was a bit odd for Dom to specifically point out "us", but not enough to find him actively suspicious.
What I'm most concerned about is that so any people have already voted with so much time left in the lynch. I'm thinking at least one or two of the voters are trying to avoid responsibility, either by self voting or by jumping on the BF bandwagon.
EBWOP: MM, I don't think anyone is picking on you, since it is noteworthy when people vote for themselves. But since you do this a lot, I'm less inclined to think you bad for it here.
Maybe because that did not happen.MovingPictures07 wrote:So I'm trying to be super open-minded about S~V~S, knowing that I consistently read her wrong ALWAYS, but why did she say she wasn't going to vote for BF on Day 1 and then did anyway?
And then 30+ hours and 8 posts about her suspicions of BF later...S~V~S wrote:I am not voting for you now, BF, and am not sure that I even will. It's early, and it's Day One. We are talking about what has caught our eye, and this is what has caught mine.
I see nothing wrong here.S~V~S wrote:I have a busy day tomorrow, and will be in the middle of D & D when the poll ends. Not 100% sure I will be here tonight, so i am going to vote now, I don't see me changing my mind.
*Votes BF*
LC literally stated his case on Epi and voted for Epi in the same breath. Didn't even wait to hear Epi's response or the responses of others. Does that seem like a genuine case?DFaraday wrote:Ah, that does make more sense. But I will still consider LC's case against Epi a bit more before deciding where to vote.Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Epig's reactions are a result of the item I hold (a bottle), not necessarily true.DFaraday wrote:Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.
Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.
What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :PMovingPictures07 wrote:I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
You should start at Night 1 then. There's a lot of interaction there that is still very much at play today and controlling the direction of the game.MovingPictures07 wrote:I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
Or combine it into chunks of 5-10 responses at a time.Turnip Head wrote:Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :PMovingPictures07 wrote:I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
I just don't understand why so many people aggressively pursued each other, and yet the Day 1 votes were basically: BF, BF, BF, BF, BF, MM, BF, BF, etc.Turnip Head wrote:Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :PMovingPictures07 wrote:I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
So... you're not even going to try to comprehend the things that are being discussed today? The things you haven't read?MovingPictures07 wrote:I just don't understand why so many people aggressively pursued each other, and yet the Day 1 votes were basically: BF, BF, BF, BF, BF, MM, BF, BF, etc.
I honestly may just randomly vote for a D1 BF voter.
Well, sorry, but I didn't want to build ONE gigantic post that I knew people would ignore anyway; I'm just trying to play differently.
Well whatever. I was hoping you could read it to give us a fresh perspective. I guarantee I'll read and respond to it.MovingPictures07 wrote:I just don't understand why so many people aggressively pursued each other, and yet the Day 1 votes were basically: BF, BF, BF, BF, BF, MM, BF, BF, etc.Turnip Head wrote:Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :PMovingPictures07 wrote:I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
I honestly may just randomly vote for a D1 BF voter.
Well, sorry, but I didn't want to build ONE gigantic post that I knew people would ignore anyway; I'm just trying to play differently.
I don't think I'm going to even make it tonight; I'm incredibly tired. If I get to it tomorrow, great, but otherwise I don't really know what to do at this point.Turnip Head wrote:So... you're not even going to try to comprehend the things that are being discussed today? The things you haven't read?MovingPictures07 wrote:I just don't understand why so many people aggressively pursued each other, and yet the Day 1 votes were basically: BF, BF, BF, BF, BF, MM, BF, BF, etc.
I honestly may just randomly vote for a D1 BF voter.
Well, sorry, but I didn't want to build ONE gigantic post that I knew people would ignore anyway; I'm just trying to play differently.
It does seem rather shady, and it does lend some credence to the idea that LC is trying to save his teammate MM.Turnip Head wrote:LC literally stated his case on Epi and voted for Epi in the same breath. Didn't even wait to hear Epi's response or the responses of others. Does that seem like a genuine case?DFaraday wrote:Ah, that does make more sense. But I will still consider LC's case against Epi a bit more before deciding where to vote.Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Epig's reactions are a result of the item I hold (a bottle), not necessarily true.DFaraday wrote:Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.
Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.
Yeah sure, try to buy the vote of the guy who won't pay attention :PMetalmarsh89 wrote:MP, I think TH is bad and you should vote for him.
I also think that Epignosis is bad, Zomba is bad, and SVS and Dom could be bad.
it is just as the prophecy foretoldMetalmarsh89 wrote:I'm going ahead and voting for me.
Turnip Head wrote:Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :PMovingPictures07 wrote:I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
Lol.Metalmarsh89 wrote:MP, I think TH is bad and you should vote for him.
I also think that Epignosis is bad, Zomba is bad, and SVS and Dom could be bad.
Long Con wrote:I think it would be cool for Ichabod to steal the Will from S~V~S to see if she was telling the truth about the way it reads. If she is, then BF was making some strange assumptions about the wealth of Zombarella. If she's not, then she's Zomba's teammate, who made sure she got the Will by voting first, in order to assuage the public opinion on her teammate.
If Ichabod steals the Will, then a team of five people will be able to better judge S~V~S' position here.
LizKeen wrote:Ugh, okay so after losing all my notes last night I decided to start fresh today and accidentally hit my touchy, touchy computer plug and lost everything AGAIN. LizKeen is not a happy camper. (You would think I would be saving like crazy but nope, just not that smart.) So I decided to just focus on one person because if I lose everything again on 4 people I'm going to seriously LOSE MY MIND.
SVS I've pulled some quotes from you, my comments are underneath each one:
You don't seem 100% sold on bf at this point and I'm wondering why Splints is the is the opinion you want most.S~V~S wrote:OK, I saw something too :)And then he says "Both" and lauches into his cases against Bullz & TH. He only really addressed his consistent point of addressing all of his posts to Golden when Juliets asked him a direct question.
This was the first thing that struck me; that BF was seriously buddying Golden. Then he brought up that Millionaire thing. The more I have gone over that, the less innocent it seems to me.
I want to hear what Splints thinks of this, as well as Golden. I could be reading more into this than there is. But that was what caught my eye.
Becasue, of the people playing, Splints (and Golden, whom I also asked, not just Splints) know BF the best. Had she been playing at that time, I would have asked Sophie, too.
Still waffling about bf.But then you decide bf is bad and place the first vote on him and you don't seem at all willing to consider he's telling the truth which I find odd since you seem to have a lot of experience.S~V~S wrote:I am not voting for you now, BF, and am not sure that I even will. It's early, and it's Day One. We are talking about what has caught our eye, and this is what has caught mine.
I waffled over him for almost three days, two days of the three day day one and most of the night. I did not vote for him until I posted fairly extensively about him. I am not saying this is a fact, I did not go back and actually count, but I would bet I made more posts about BF alone than you have made the whole game altogether, much less about any specific topic.
And I was sure he was bad. The way he reacted to initial accusation, dismissively, and, in my (incorrect) opinion, evasively. Had I actually listened to Golden instead of believing he had a version of Buddyig Stockholm Syndrome, I might have backed off. But I might not have, I was pretty sure
You're saying the will didn't say what bf said it did. But I don't know why bf would have said exactly what he said if it had said anything elseS~V~S wrote:Also, I did receive the will. All it says is that if Zomba dies, whoever holds the will will get everything she has. It does NOT say she is wealthy. Just becasue she has a will does not mean she is rich. Normally I would not even post this, but since her name was already out there, I just want to confirm that BF was not lying, but that there is nothing that indicates a specific role holds the will. I thought BF might have been witholding something, but he was not.
No, the rules don't allow you to reproduce a host PM. I paraphrased, since IMO using the same wording is reproduction. I think BF paraphrased as well. And I think Zomba read into what I said as being different, when I thought it was essentially the same. Whoever holds the will gets what Zomba has.
ThisMetalmarsh89 wrote:
If SVS is a civvie, I feel that events would have unfolded differently. Would she have voted for an "infodropper" early and before everyone else?
I did not vote for him for being an infodropper. I voted for him buddying up to Golden. Did you read my posts, or did you just skim them looking for incriminating shit, lol? The way he reacted to that, plus the info thing on top of it pushed me over the edge. But his initial hyperfocus on Golden, and only Golden, led me to think he was bad. I had mentioned my suspicions during Night Zero, before Day one even started, and BF revealed the contents of the will.
That first line doesn't make sense. Do you understand each other or does he not know your game? And, I don't understand how you could be 100% sure someone was bad or why they would so blatantly make it seem so on Day 1?S~V~S wrote:
You and I consistently understand each other in every game. You don't know me, or my game, at all.
If I were bad, I would not have written that giant post. Pretty much everyone in here who knows my game knows it. I was CONVINCED BF was bad. 100%. Thats why i kept hectoring him, coming back to the thread to rip apart everything he said. You saw me in Film Directors. I can get people lynched without needing to do that mega post thing. But I did it bwcasue I was sure he was bad. I was wrong. But I was sure.
And I was sure he was bad, so I was sure that he was setting up whoever it was who was named in the will. Thats why I brought up the possibility of Oliver Oliver. I thought BF KNEW his name was not the Millionaire. Becasue he was the Millionaires teammate.
I corrected that a few posts later. Didn't you see that one?
S~V~S wrote:You and I consistently MISunderstand each other in every game. You don't know me, or my game, at all.
If I were bad, I would not have written that giant post. Pretty much everyone in here who knows my game knows it. I was CONVINCED BF was bad. 100%. Thats why i kept hectoring him, coming back to the thread to rip apart everything he said. You saw me in Film Directors. I can get people lynched without needing to do that mega post thing. But I did it because I was sure he was bad. I was wrong. But I was sure.
And I was sure he was bad, so I was sure that he was setting up whoever it was who was named in the will. Thats why I brought up the possibility of Oliver Oliver. I thought BF KNEW his name was not the Millionaire. Because he was the Millionaires teammate.
Fixed~ misunderstand=/=understand
It's the way you suspected bf I find oddS~V~S wrote:There is a civvie item stealer, and a Celestial one. And I would agree that Golden was probably silenced.
You suspect me because I suspected BF? Or is there something else?
Can you expound on this? What was odd about it? That I was wrong? You're never wrong in Mafia? I hung my ass over the ledge out there over that becasue I was sure I was right. Wrong bad SVS (and tbh wrong bad ANYBODY) does not go balls to the walls on Day One for someone whose role they don't know who is not personally a threat to them.
Seriously, what about "the way" I suspected him is off to you?
S~V~S wrote:
I am going to suggest that no one vote for MM unless we seem to have a majority consensus to do so. Isolate him, as it were. I don't mind keeping him around for a while. I like jokes and banter as much as the next person.
You don't seem to trust MM but you're willing to keep him around for the lolz?
Ha ha ha, I was sniping at him for most of his posts being jokes and for his lack of content, not just in this game, but in his baddie game in general. No I am not willing to keep him around for the lulz, and this is just quibbling, tbh. You took that out of context~ and you know it
Also, fingersplints, you just seem to keep floating in and out making brief comments. I know you're busy, but you were far more vocal in the Zelda game when you were civvie. I'd like to get some others players thoughts on you since I don't have a plethora of past history to go on.
Welcome back br and since I forgot earlier welcome DP.
Damned if I do, damned if i don't with you Liz, eh?LizKeen wrote:Turnip Head wrote:Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :PMovingPictures07 wrote:I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.Turnip Head wrote:What are you talking about?MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.
But didn't you just ask me to do that earlier? When I decided to focus on SVS and leave rabbit, LC and Vomp til later? (I'm going to wait until after the lynch to make that post because it may lead me in new directions) It appears that MP is seeing some of the things I was seeing. MM could be bad, I'm just a little scared to put a vote there since I know (and said in an earlier post) that the mafia was going to go after an easy lynch today. On the other hand I previously said it looked like SVS was trying to avert lynching MM and if she would turn out to be bad then it would seem she's trying to help a teammate. Whichever way MM flips is going to be very telling.
I forgot to answer the second half of this. Who said he blatantly made it seem so? I never did. Lots of civs get lynched by people who are sure they are bad, I know, it has happened to me enough. And you are never sure of yourself? You sound pretty sure now, and it is only Day TwoLizKeen Said: That first line doesn't make sense. Do you understand each other or does he not know your game? And, I don't understand how you could be 100% sure someone was bad or why they would so blatantly make it seem so on Day 1?
It seems you see a baddie in anything I say. I must be so blatant 
I can probably answer this if SVS hasn't already. I know bf very well. I hosted him the first game he ever played. I cohosted with him the first game he ever hosted. I have played a lot of the games he has played with him. And we are friends.LizKeen wrote:You don't seem 100% sold on bf at this point and I'm wondering why Splints is the is the opinion you want most.S~V~S wrote:OK, I saw something too :)And then he says "Both" and lauches into his cases against Bullz & TH. He only really addressed his consistent point of addressing all of his posts to Golden when Juliets asked him a direct question.
This was the first thing that struck me; that BF was seriously buddying Golden. Then he brought up that Millionaire thing. The more I have gone over that, the less innocent it seems to me.
I want to hear what Splints thinks of this, as well as Golden. I could be reading more into this than there is. But that was what caught my eye.
I generally make brief comments. I have never been a lengthy poster.LizKeen wrote:Also, fingersplints, you just seem to keep floating in and out making brief comments. I know you're busy, but you were far more vocal in the Zelda game when you were civvie. I'd like to get some others players thoughts on you since I don't have a plethora of past history to go on.
I'm a little confused by this. You think TH is bad but you voted MM?Epignosis wrote:Absolutely. Fuck that guy. He needs to go.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, would you recommend a lynch for Turnip Head today? Do you think Turnip Head is bad?
In fact, I've been watching him carefully. He's been agreeing with me like Basmati rice. He just says whatever he thinks I want to hear. I would love to see him probed on the Montel show. I would like to see his reaction to learning that he is, in fact, not the father, and then we should take him outside and beat hell out of him for being so evil. Yes, I think Turnip Head is bad.
Sorry I just thought that was funny because I am trying the opposite approach with this post. I like little postsMovingPictures07 wrote:You know what? I'm definitely trying a new approach this game. I think I might already know who I'm going to vote for. Not sold yet though, and I'd rather fully catch up.
Instead of saving all my thoughts for one big long post, I'm going to break up my thoughts, and post them periodically.
I have been reading this as her civvie game. I do not see a baddie SVS having gone so aggressively after bf day 1.MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, MM. To be clear, I don't actually suspect S~V~S right now (I honestly don't know what to think yet), but I can't help but be pinged by something she says practically every game. :P
Indeed. Turnip Head is a wicked, wicked soul, and I, as you so accurately observed, have voted MM today. I had no intention of causing any befuddlement, and if I did, I am sorry in the utmost.fingersplints wrote:I'm a little confused by this. You think TH is bad but you voted MM?
or maybe this was sarcastic. Sometimes I miss the jokes
You need to sharpen your play, boy. That there's a post of truth!MovingPictures07 wrote:Do people actually believe this?Long Con wrote:Ok, so I had a plan here. My plan was to try and bolster the BF suspicion a little in order to make it seem like a BF lynch is a possibility. The next step was to watch and see who voted FIRST for BF, my logic being that IF BF has an item that could identify a baddie, the baddies would want to get a hold of it. Even if it's not pointing to The Millionaire, the baddies might want to grab it just because they aren't sure.
So S~V~S has voted for BF now, and she has been one of BF's biggest detractors all along. I'm not so sure if this plan of mine is credible, but I wanted to share it anyways.
In the beginning, I was "after" BF just for the plan, but now I'm actually suspicious of him. And if he's a baddie, then S~V~S deserves no suspicion for being the first voter.
I was feeling the Dom vote, but actually his explanation (that he saw juliets as buddying up to Civs with the "us" comment) makes sense to me.
My other likely vote then, is Metalmarsh, for his self-vote. Still deciding between him and BF right now.
DFaraday wrote:It does seem rather shady, and it does lend some credence to the idea that LC is trying to save his teammate MM.Turnip Head wrote:LC literally stated his case on Epi and voted for Epi in the same breath. Didn't even wait to hear Epi's response or the responses of others. Does that seem like a genuine case?DFaraday wrote:Ah, that does make more sense. But I will still consider LC's case against Epi a bit more before deciding where to vote.Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Epig's reactions are a result of the item I hold (a bottle), not necessarily true.DFaraday wrote:Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.
Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.
Bah, I need to stop wavering back and forth. I think there's a more solid case for MM, so I'll just go ahead and *vote MM*
Yeah. 'Cause that's my baddie game.
But here's the problem here, I am not bad.juliets wrote:I didn't expect to find all these votes for Metalmarsh this morning. I was worried I would have to find someone else to vote for even though I was most suspicious of him, but I think enough people have voted for MM that it's safe for me to vote him. I think he's bad this game.
But before I do that, I have something to say.S~V~S wrote:Lol.Metalmarsh89 wrote:MP, I think TH is bad and you should vote for him.
I also think that Epignosis is bad, Zomba is bad, and SVS and Dom could be bad.
This utter nonsense. Not only is it a silly thing to say as a civilian, but it is just rude and derogatory. "Hey guys, MM might be bad, so let's keep him around for a bit so he can entertain us, like a circus elephant if you will." You are being a grade A asshole.S~V~S wrote:I am going to suggest that no one vote for MM unless we seem to have a majority consensus to do so. Isolate him, as it were. I don't mind keeping him around for a while. I like jokes and banter as much as the next person.
Just so we're clear, have I really been that off-topic this game? I'm pretty sure that is far from the truth. Aggressive, yes. Persistant, yes. Off-topic, Day 1 maybe, but nary an OT post since then.S~V~S wrote:That was not what I meant. That was just saying you don't say much on topic when you are bad, mainly jokes. I didn't want people to vote for you if you were the Millionaire so as not to make you more powerful.
I guess I worded that poorly since you are not the only person to read it that way. I apologize for coming across as rude. It was not my intention, but it is the perception that counts.
Sophie wrote:I meant a baddie power with every vote casted against them
No U? Who have I No U'd?S~V~S wrote:And the Lol was because of the No U inherent in your suspect list. Again, sorry.