The Syndicate

I am not seeing the Daisy thing in SVS's POV. I read her posts in isolation (something the new kids do) and her suspicion of MP feels like Day 1 suspicion EXCEPT for this is Daisy reading MP as bad something she is good at.
The strike against her in my book is that she never added to her suspicion nor has Russti even really put out suspicions. She repeatedly voted for MP and made excuses as to why she would not be around (not that I blame her one bit bc I do not) when asked to elaborate all she did was to say to refer to her earlier post about MP not answering and Epi question.

It all feels so Day 1'ish. I do think stuff can be learned from Day 1 and most notably for me is the fact she never added any further suspicion or comments about MP.

I do see where SVS might think she was sucking up to Epi in the first part of her post where she said Ep was acting silly trying to shake stuff up - normal Epi etc.

I am not Hooker and loathe Old Spice.

You have been wrong about me all game Epi.

Epignosis wrote:Look, I get it. You and Roxy are Hooker and Old Spice. You have info. I understand.

Jesus.

Voting Russ. Whatever.

I thought we were trying for a close tie between Saberfish and Russ? Do you still want that to happen? Bc I do. Stop trying to shove me into a role where I do not fit.

Also Gman I love the new 8-ball thing you found to use so we can actually know wtf you are thinking

also seen you post in the Recruitment sign up thread and wanted to say it was nice having you around for games again. Your humor has been missed.

OMG, no not Hooker or Old Spice. In any case. Epi you said Cookie was bad based on hosting her ONE GAME. I am saying Daisy is bad based on playing with her for 6 years. Not seeing why this is so hard for you.



Or he, in this case, since Daisy is now Russti.

Linki, agreed, that is better than just the 8 ball factory remarks.

oooo Beastie Boys <3

I can honestly say I'm not sure about Russ leaning mafia sure but I would rather we lynch Saber I'm more confident he is mafia.

That would make Epi happy, he could have his close lynch and suss out Killface.

G-Man wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

Whoa! Again, I was at a wedding. Even if I hadn't been, that's a super early vote. Gimme a chance to talk during the day, maybe. Trying to head off a lynch train on yourself?

Signs point to yes

Russtifinko wrote:Just so I'm clear, are Epi and sig's recent posts about Killface role-based process of elimination,

My reply is no

Russtifinko wrote:or just suspicions of what looks like baddie behavior?

As I see it, yes

sig wrote:WHy kill Mac's Mom he did nothing? Saberfish voted for Mac's Mom he was the only player to do so. Could he have killed Mac's Mom?


@Russtifinko no idea for Epi my posts are a combination of post. I've been harping on my Killerface thoughts since when I started posting.
I think Saberfish is Killerface though I will wait to vote to see everyones thoughts on this

Ok, thanks for the clarifications guys.

And there are actually only 9 people left alive?? I thought some people were just off the poll or something! That's crazy.

Russtifinko wrote:And there are actually only 9 people left alive??

It is certain

But I'm very curios how this will reveal who Killer is?

Where has DisgruntledPorcupine been do you get kicked if you miss to many lynches here or are you just empty space?

Epignosis wrote:And no, suspicion from you alone does not count when you are the one saying someone is taking suspicion. The claim has no meat. Suggesting that it does implies that everyone in the game who has been suspected from anyone at any time is "taking suspicion."

If you want me to vote Russ, I need to be convinced, and I can be convinced. "She's bad" won't do it though.

Epignosis wrote:OK.

I am prepared to lynch Russtifinko, but I would like a close second by one vote- Saberfish. Can that be arranged?

Roxy wrote:Sorry for not being around.

I am willing to lynch Saberfish. If Epi was right about all the mafia being new players I will never hear the end of it in future games.

I am beginning to wonder if SVS knows something that we all don't - specifically that Daisy now Russti is bad. I personally did not read Daisy as bad but thought MP was. I am only going on gut maybe SVS has more than just gut. Idk but we do have time to discuss.

I liked the vote analysis it will give me something to pour over before tomorrows lynch.

Epignosis wrote:Look, I get it. You and Roxy are Hooker and Old Spice. You have info. I understand.

Jesus.

Voting Russ. Whatever.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Look, I get it. You and Roxy are Hooker and Old Spice. You have info. I understand.

Jesus.

Voting Russ. Whatever.

I thought we were trying for a close tie between Saberfish and Russ? Do you still want that to happen? Bc I do. Stop trying to shove me into a role where I do not fit.

Objection! So you guys don't buy the non-case against me, but you're all willing to just lynch me because S~V~S says so and is hinting she has info?

That's truly lame. And I think there are very few wrong ways to play mafia, but that is one of them. It's cheating. And furthermore, I'm not bad. If you think she's got me pegged, you're being suckered. And if S~V~S did have info on me, I'd expect her to play it better than this. Coming in with no case on someone you haven't been suspicious of before right as a night period ends is info dumping and it's wrong. You guys should judge me on what little play I can scrap together today, and not just lynch me because you think someone else is some role and is using their role in a game-destroying, fun-sucking way.

I'm not sure either, unless Killface votes for Saberfish.

Linki, I don't have info and I am not hinting that I do. i would NOT. I have knowledge of Daisy. That is what I am basing this on. It sucks to sub into a bad situation, but it is what it is.

Linki: Yeah having read your previous posts, you were at least suspicious of Daisy before. It caught my eye that that suspicion came up very suddenl as well. But you took a wait and see approach at first, and then as soon as this days phase opened came at me hard. I think it was definitely taken by a lot of people as insinuating you had info.

And I didn't sub into a bad situation (other than you suspecting me).

Gonna read Saberfish now and see what all the fuss is.

S~V~S wrote:OMG, no not Hooker or Old Spice. In any case. Epi you said Cookie was bad based on hosting her ONE GAME. I am saying Daisy is bad based on playing with her for 6 years. Not seeing why this is so hard for you.

One game hosted with a new player is more reliable than 6 years with a veteran. I am banking on you having info. Not your experience. Your experience (no matter how many years) has proven wrong many times. I don't see how you can read spacedaisy on her wedding weekend from eight posts and gets replaced, especially when you won't point out specific things you are claiming. I don't buy it. It's info. Let's stop pretending it isn't. If at endgame you were right all along based on your gut, then I will apologize to you.

If you say so.

S~V~S wrote:If you say so.

Either way, I voted as you wished.

If you are bad, I will remember it.

But seriously, six years > one game.

Wow, Saber is a quick read.

So the first thing to strike me is that me/Daisy already have more posts than him (and I almost do alone). He says he's new to online mafia, so maybe he doesn't get that the whole posting = helping thing.

He also hasn't quoted or built any cases, which again, could be a new player thing.

I dunno, he could very well be mafia, but there's just so little to go on that I don't even see how we could tell.

Linki: See? Cheating. Shame on you S~V~S for implying info (which, again, is false), and also shame on Epi for using it. Even if she did have info, that would be a shitty way to win. Play the game. You're not doing that if you rely on info dumping.

I have always hated both real and false info dumps, as you guys know, but it is INFURIATING to be the victim of a fake info dump. This is stupid.

S~V~S wrote:But seriously, six years > one game.

Hosting Cookie on her first game here > playing with spacedaisy six years. If you can read spacedaisy that well from eight posts, then either you are a true master or spacedaisy sucks as a player, and I don't believe either of those.

I called out Cookie because, in Watchmen BTSC, she said she was great at being a civilian. She was not great here. She was nervous. Ergo, she was Mafia. Boom.

Russtifinko wrote:Wow, Saber is a quick read.

So the first thing to strike me is that me/Daisy already have more posts than him (and I almost do alone). He says he's new to online mafia, so maybe he doesn't get that the whole posting = helping thing.

He also hasn't quoted or built any cases, which again, could be a new player thing.

I dunno, he could very well be mafia, but there's just so little to go on that I don't even see how we could tell.

Linki: See? Cheating. Shame on you S~V~S for implying info (which, again, is false), and also shame on Epi for using it. Even if she did have info, that would be a shitty way to win. Play the game. You're not doing that if you rely on info dumping.

I have always hated both real and false info dumps, as you guys know, but it is INFURIATING to be the victim of a fake info dump. This is stupid.

I have tried to get S~V~S to make a case. Over and over and over. She won't. She just says "go look" and "I have experience."

But I'm not going to pretend anything, so please don't shame on me.

G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

Skipping the gf, then will read more. Might as well try to contribute while I'm here.

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

I agree with your philosophy...but I don't pretend things. Once they are in the thread, they are there. I tried to play coy with S~V~S even though I don't like playing coy.

I enjoyed meeting you and I thank you for subbing in. And thanks so much for not killing me if you are bad.

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

I agree with your philosophy...but I don't pretend things. Once they are in the thread, they are there. I tried to play coy with S~V~S even though I don't like playing coy.

I enjoyed meeting you and I thank you for subbing in. And thanks so much for not killing me if you are bad.

How are you just now meeting Russ?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

I agree with your philosophy...but I don't pretend things. Once they are in the thread, they are there. I tried to play coy with S~V~S even though I don't like playing coy.

I enjoyed meeting you and I thank you for subbing in. And thanks so much for not killing me if you are bad.

How are you just now meeting Russ?

I'm the guy in the white shirt, pink/silver tie, he's the guy in the back about to crash into the ceiling.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

I agree with your philosophy...but I don't pretend things. Once they are in the thread, they are there. I tried to play coy with S~V~S even though I don't like playing coy.

I enjoyed meeting you and I thank you for subbing in. And thanks so much for not killing me if you are bad.

How are you just now meeting Russ?

I'm the guy in the white shirt, pink/silver tie, he's the guy in the back about to crash into the ceiling.

Oh you meant physically meeting. Well damn.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

I agree with your philosophy...but I don't pretend things. Once they are in the thread, they are there. I tried to play coy with S~V~S even though I don't like playing coy.

I enjoyed meeting you and I thank you for subbing in. And thanks so much for not killing me if you are bad.

How are you just now meeting Russ?

I'm the guy in the white shirt, pink/silver tie, he's the guy in the back about to crash into the ceiling.

Haha. Yes meeting you was awesome regardless. And I didn't not kill you, but I understand your viewpoint even though I very strongly disagree with it.

Also, it got very very late. I need to sleep. Unfortunately, I haven't come across any super obvious baddies in my readthroughs. Even S~V~S reads ok except for her super bizarre, unexplained suspicion of Daisy and me. She's wrong, and I'd say she's just lying, but otherwise her posts read helpful.

It probably doesn't matter a whole lot, as it's looking like I'll have to save my vote for self-defense. Regardless, I'll offer some thoughts on the rest of the players after work tomorrow.

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

Not sure where the info idea came from, but I don't have any. And sorry if you think I play a shitty game, but sometimes you just *know* and come in and tell it like it is. Right Epi?

Sometimes you just strongly believe someone is bad. Based on her one long post saying my thoughts re Epi & MP were wrong, then her perfunctory vote for MP with no transition between two positions leads me to believe that she was phoning it in and not being sincere. I don't buy it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seriously, why is DOOM in quotation marks?

Better not tell you now

Epignosis wrote:Actually, Lord of the Realms 2 is turn-based AND RTS.

Has one of my favorite computer game soundtracks. <3

I don't like or even understand the way it's being "explained" that Daisy/Russ is bad. That point has been beaten to death, so I won't comment on it further. I can see it from the perspective of the fact that suddenly Killface is killing after Wendell's death, and Russ subbed in (as in, Killface is an active player), but that's about it. I don't see it jumping out at me from Daisy's posts.

Let's make it interesting. We want close between Saberfish and Russ? I can dig it. I can see a team of newbie baddies, but one of them is surely active (but I suppose "active" doesn't mean "veteran," so...) I'll vote Saberfish and see how others vote. I'm feelin' lucky.

But you DID understand why Cookie was bad, yes? Cause one person said so? Same thing. My years of experience with Daisy says she was as bad as a month old shrimp.

Broke the tie putting Saberfish in the lead. Though Russti's lack of contribution makes him look equally bad imo.

Well it seems like there are only 2 ways to go here. I don't want to die and I'm not bad, so I'm voting Saberfish.

And Roxy, I get that I haven't contributed a lot yet, but I'm hoping I can improve tomorrow and beyond. It has taken me a bit longer lately to get into games (which is not meant as an excuse, just an unfortunate fact). Today I was mostly dealing with a false info dump, but i did reread and give reads on 4 players. I'll get the other half either this evening or overnight.

Come on Saberfish. Vote to save yourself.

110 minutes.

I'm voting for Russ, since I don't want to die. But it looks like the jig for me, it's been fun!

G-Man wrote:

Hello G-Man. I would like to see a tie. Can you make that happen?

Yep it was Epi but it gave me pause as well even though it does not read like a normal type of hint.

The Xtacles are mostly dead. I'm not worried about that anymore.

DharmaHelper wrote:That's a very verbose 8-Ball

Completely pointless. I lost respect for the gag.