[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[a2thezebra]

If I claimed scum right now would I still be lynch-proof? Also why has no one but me commented about this? Or am I mistaken?

[Matt]

Maybe we are just cooler than everyone else.

No, but seriously. Do you really think if we had BTSC that we would vote the same way? And, I think I was the first to vote too. I think you are grasping at straws here Matt. (Nice to have you back on the syndicated though I have fond memories of our BTSC together. Don;t ask me the name of the game, I never remember that sort of thing. But I remember having fun with you.)

Hi Elo. I forget the game, too, but I believe it was one of your first on TS, if I recall? Good times

Now, down to business...

1) Maybe you wouldn't vote together if you had btsc. But if Sorsha was mafia, would you put it past to her to intentionally vote the same three options as a Civ and/or possible indy? This way, if she were to be lynched, especially early in the game, people might look at the person she voted with?

So what you are saying is that on day 0 I just happened to choose Elo, of all people, to try to maybe set up for a lynch sometime in the future if I maybe happened to get lynched and was mafia. And that's if anyone would actually notice. That's a lot of ifs and maybes.

Say I did get lynched and I did come back mafia. You're saying you think someone would come out with the case that "Sorsha and Elo voted the same thing day 0 we should lynch Elo now!"? You're really stretching this.

How about I just picked my three favorite options and they happened to be her three favorite options as well.

Maybe you did just pick your three favorite options and maybe she just picked hers.

I'm wondering, though, you posted this response about 2 and a half hours after Elohcin posted that she agrees it's possible. Do you think Eloh is also stretching it? Or just me?

1) Yes, that is actually a very good point. And you could be onto something there.

Roxy -

I voted for you and am suspicious of you is a bit more than a No u. That characterization seems to try to make my suspicion into fluff which it is not.

You start out with your bogus claim that RBZ and I had btsc or communicated by PM and that my post saying "Keterman is RBZMNGHJ??" was fake - which if you had actually read the post from which you quoted this "suspicion" would have never happened. The fact that it did happen and that you pushed it (but not hard enough to vote for) is highly suspicious to me.

No, I was suspicious of you, and as you prove my point about NOU in the second paragraph here, you became suspicious of me because I was suspicious of you.

It's funny. You must not have read the thread, because I actually said "Maybe Rbz PM'd Roxy just to talk about old Piano days" and that was in defense of you guys NOT having btsc. It wasn't to prove a point that you did.

Then you move onto Teeth - which my vote was NOT based that you were the third voter moine was bc you had pushed me and RBZ then suddenly without so much as have an apple you jump on the Teeth wagon. With your bogus reasoning about the day 0 poll.

You keep saying that he ended the vote when he moved his vote is something I am not grasping please elaborate. Are you saying Teeth personally picked the winner of the Day 0 poll and told MP and Sloon to end the Day 0 bc he had chosen the winner? BC that is what it reads like.
You do realize Teeth was civ right?

When you made your sudden turn onto Teeth you slammed your suspicion down and voted without bothering to wait for a response, which is weird bc you said you did not want to vote for RBZ or me until hearing from him - so why does RBZ have a chance to respond but you give Teeth no window of opportunity to respond? Double standard much?

As Russ pointed out (btw Russ, I believe I answered why I voted for bwt at that particular time, but if you have any other questions, please let me know) Roxy, the Day 0 poll was fixed in such a way that the fifth vote would end the poll. So yes, BWT did pick one of the winners and ended the poll while also saying "Let's make this interesting "

Oh, and yeah, I do realize BWT was civvie. Snarky much?

As for not giving BWT time to respond, I had hoped to get home in time from work that night to reevaluate my vote, but I didn't. When I had to leave for work, RBZ had yet to answer and Sorsha had yet to point out my mistake (while again, instead of you showing me my mistake, pulled a NOU)

I see you keep harping on the Day 0 poll crap and tbh it has already led to a civ lynch are you really srsly going to keep going down your bogus path? So much else has happened yet you still hold onto your Day 0 suspicions like they are your last breath. I find it odd.

Yep I am this far behind I read some last night and fell asleep will be on it today.

This is false. False false false. My vote didn't "lead" into any lynch. If I remember correctly, the other people who voted for BWT were voting for him for COMPLETELY different reasons then why I did. Why are you making it seem like I lead the lynch on BWT and everyone followed my lead because of my super awesome ideas? If you are civvie, you need to stop making stuff up like that.

Also, btw Roxy, between you and a few others who have "lectured" me on looking at Day 0 and thinking that gee golly there might be something there, I expect you all to not mention Day 0 for the rest of the game or you get a huge from me.

As for who I'm voting, not sure. I still have about three hours, I think, if I'm not mistaken. I haven't commented on seaside, but considering my suspicions of Choutas, I had him marked as a "maybe mafia", but now it looks like a few people are having some kind of inside communication with seaside where they think he's definitely civvie.

I might vote for Eloh or Sorsha today. Not sure which, but leaning Eloh atm.

I could also be convinced to vote Dr Wilgy OR JJJ, if only because these two are the assistant CEO's, and yes, to my dying breath Roxy, I think one of these two are Mafia simply because they were voted for on Day 0.

[Sorsha]

If I claimed scum right now would I still be lynch-proof? Also why has no one but me commented about this? Or am I mistaken?

Saw your post about it earlier but I figured you'd have gone and read the roles and seen that there is a role that can remove a player from the poll. Seems like you have a friend out there somewhere.

[a2thezebra]

If I claimed scum right now would I still be lynch-proof? Also why has no one but me commented about this? Or am I mistaken?

Saw your post about it earlier but I figured you'd have gone and read the roles and seen that there is a role that can remove a player from the poll. Seems like you have a friend out there somewhere.

Thanks for pointing that out, I read the roles at the start of the game but forgot about that.

Thank you presently anonymous friend!

[a2thezebra]

Matt F is definitely town.

[Ricochet]

Knock knock, Eloh!

[Sorsha]

To clarify, I think Sorsha's most recent post is trying to get motel room to switch back to LC. It's suspicious to me since she just voted bcornett. Why promote lynching a major candidate that you yourself won't vote for? If she were to get motel room to vote LC, and LC flips civ, she could sit back and laugh and let motel take the heat for it.

Linki: Wait, so are you trying to convince motel room NOT to switch back to LC? Now I'm confused.

What?! I'm trying to get players to NOT vote for LC.

I'm just sus of why motel is moving his vote around like he is.

Aha. I took that completely the wrong way, then.

Well in that case I dunno who to vote. I still suspect Epi and Matt F but don't see either being lynched today.

I feel like Matt is stretching with trying to find links where there are none and he's still on day 0 when everyone else is on day 2 so yeah... I can see that. Epi hasn't seemed like himself this game but getting lynched early a couple games might have him trying to lay low early for a change? Not sure on him yet.

[Diiny]

Not the time, I know, but it's annoying me. What's the floyd's deal? He's posting regularly on OT as far as I can tell so he's not exactly short on time. Even if he was it's in nobody's best interest to post one off topic thing. Probably some stupid gambit.

[Epignosis]

To clarify, I think Sorsha's most recent post is trying to get motel room to switch back to LC. It's suspicious to me since she just voted bcornett. Why promote lynching a major candidate that you yourself won't vote for? If she were to get motel room to vote LC, and LC flips civ, she could sit back and laugh and let motel take the heat for it.

Linki: Wait, so are you trying to convince motel room NOT to switch back to LC? Now I'm confused.

What?! I'm trying to get players to NOT vote for LC.

I'm just sus of why motel is moving his vote around like he is.

Aha. I took that completely the wrong way, then.

Well in that case I dunno who to vote. I still suspect Epi and Matt F but don't see either being lynched today.

I feel like Matt is stretching with trying to find links where there are none and he's still on day 0 when everyone else is on day 2 so yeah... I can see that. Epi hasn't seemed like himself this game but getting lynched early a couple games might have him trying to lay low early for a change? Not sure on him yet.

I'm not laying low. I can't keep up. It's that simple. I'm still behind and just catching things on the newest page since the lynch is imminent.

[a2thezebra]

Take a post from your suspects. Literally any post, even if it's entirely off-topic.

1. Assume they are civilian.
2. Read the post.
3. Assume they are mafia.
4. Read the post again.
5. Decide which assumption feels better.
6. ???
7. Profit

I'm down for a Wilgy lynch if I can't get the Epignosis one off the ground.

[motel room]

Not the time, I know, but it's annoying me. What's the floyd's deal? He's posting regularly on OT as far as I can tell so he's not exactly short on time. Even if he was it's in nobody's best interest to post one off topic thing. Probably some stupid gambit.

I get the feeling he's in a bit over his head, our Floyd.

[Diiny]

Not the time, I know, but it's annoying me. What's the floyd's deal? He's posting regularly on OT as far as I can tell so he's not exactly short on time. Even if he was it's in nobody's best interest to post one off topic thing. Probably some stupid gambit.

I get the feeling he's in a bit over his head, our Floyd.

Oh shit this is his first game, right? I forgot.

[a2thezebra]

I see you catching up Wilgy.

Can you change my mind before I change my vote?

[Epignosis]

Take a post from your suspects. Literally any post, even if it's entirely off-topic.

1. Assume they are civilian.
2. Read the post.
3. Assume they are mafia.
4. Read the post again.
5. Decide which assumption feels better.
6. ???
7. Profit

I'm down for a Wilgy lynch if I can't get the Epignosis one off the ground.

1. Ok.
2. Ok.
3. Ok.
4. Ok.
5. Ok.
6. What?
7. Nope, I still think this post is bad advice.

[a2thezebra]

Don't worry, the advice is for my fellow civilians. It does not apply to you.

[Epignosis]

Don't worry, the advice is for my fellow civilians. It does not apply to you.

Ok.

[Matt]

I feel like Matt is stretching with trying to find links where there are none and he's still on day 0 when everyone else is on day 2 so yeah... I can see that.

Everyone else, huh?

I suppose reywas coming in the thread to say "hello" means he's on Day 2, huh? Or TheFloyd, who has hardly said two words, if that, he must also be on Day 2?

As for me stretching it, again, I ask you, is Elohcin also stretching it by agreeing with my idea on you, or is still just me?

RBZ - You are definitely correct.

[Matt]

RBZ - You are definitely correct.

To clarify, on me being definitely town. I don't know what to make of Epignosis.

[thellama73]

Apologies for the low content stuff over the last couple of days. I will get a chance to eleborate on my Llama gut read during my lunch break.

I like the LC lynch though. Especially over seaside. I have no real read on bcornett and I don't think I could be swayed to vote that way.

How does one elaborate on a gut read? It's not a rhetorical question, teach me.

I thought it meant he'd try to match his gut's read with an actual read, though he could elaborate the gut read more literally by pointing out exactly which posts made his gut feel irksome

Explaining on someone else's behalf rather than letting them answer themselves? Vote.

Vote Diiny.

[a2thezebra]

RBZ - You are definitely correct.

To clarify, on me being definitely town. I don't know what to make of Epignosis.

In that case, care to join me for a Wilgy lynch?

linki: He was explaining something on someone's behalf that was a complete non-sequiter to anyone's alignment. I'm iffy on Diiny myself but that's a very weak reason to vote for him.

[MacDougall]

Apologies for the low content stuff over the last couple of days. I will get a chance to eleborate on my Llama gut read during my lunch break.

I like the LC lynch though. Especially over seaside. I have no real read on bcornett and I don't think I could be swayed to vote that way.

How does one elaborate on a gut read? It's not a rhetorical question, teach me.

I thought it meant he'd try to match his gut's read with an actual read, though he could elaborate the gut read more literally by pointing out exactly which posts made his gut feel irksome

Explaining on someone else's behalf rather than letting them answer themselves? Vote.

Vote Diiny.

Aside from the fact that the explanation was sound (and was what I was going to say) and I've never heard of that being a scum tell before and you appearing out of nowhere and you voting for someone at no risk of being lynched, I think my vote being on you is fucking awesome right now...

[Ricochet]

I can't stay awake no more, deadline is almost at 7am here. Keeping my vote on Wilgy.

[a2thezebra]

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt (again) and assume it's a pressure vote. Otherwise...

linki: Cheers

[motel room]

Apologies for the low content stuff over the last couple of days. I will get a chance to eleborate on my Llama gut read during my lunch break.

I like the LC lynch though. Especially over seaside. I have no real read on bcornett and I don't think I could be swayed to vote that way.

How does one elaborate on a gut read? It's not a rhetorical question, teach me.

I thought it meant he'd try to match his gut's read with an actual read, though he could elaborate the gut read more literally by pointing out exactly which posts made his gut feel irksome

Explaining on someone else's behalf rather than letting them answer themselves? Vote.

Vote Diiny.

gross

[Matt]

In that case, care to join me for a Wilgy lynch?

I'd like to, because I really believe he or JJJ are Mafia.

But until she explains why I'm stretching my Day 0 idea on her while she completely neglects to mention Elohcin agreeing, and also why she thinks everyone else is on Day 2 when some of the players aren't even playing...

Sorsha

This can possibly be changed if she can explain.

[Diiny]

Apologies for the low content stuff over the last couple of days. I will get a chance to eleborate on my Llama gut read during my lunch break.

I like the LC lynch though. Especially over seaside. I have no real read on bcornett and I don't think I could be swayed to vote that way.

How does one elaborate on a gut read? It's not a rhetorical question, teach me.

I thought it meant he'd try to match his gut's read with an actual read, though he could elaborate the gut read more literally by pointing out exactly which posts made his gut feel irksome

Explaining on someone else's behalf rather than letting them answer themselves? Vote.

Vote Diiny.

Of everything that's happened so far, this is the most suspicious thing to you?

Neither interpretation of 'expanding on a gut read' is particularly nefarious/damning; are you telling me you thought that question put doug under actual pressure and wasn't just semantics stuff? What's this actually about llama face

[Sorsha]

I feel like Matt is stretching with trying to find links where there are none and he's still on day 0 when everyone else is on day 2 so yeah... I can see that.

Everyone else, huh?

I suppose reywas coming in the thread to say "hello" means he's on Day 2, huh? Or TheFloyd, who has hardly said two words, if that, he must also be on Day 2?

As for me stretching it, again, I ask you, is Elohcin also stretching it by agreeing with my idea on you, or is still just me?

RBZ - You are definitely correct.

Ok, of the people participating in the thread then. Twisting words much? You are still the only one stuck on day 0.

She said you had a good point and could be on to something. Has she said anything else about me since then? So yeah, it's still just you.

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy paces around with a checklist, lets see... STEP 1! respond to players addressing me!

And I may have told myself: Wilgy's vote was first, so I doubt it could have influenced the outcome much, but it gives me strange vibe of being a vote planted in the nest and left there. He criticised BWT's as well as my claims of different gameplay once the game started rolling, but he felt satisfied with my explanations, yet kept the suss on BWT. Furthermore, he said he awaited more info or thoughts from BWT himself (which BWT offered, afterwards), but then didn't return for the last 12 hours of the phase.

No I didn't return I saw BWT post afew times before addressing me and then went to bed leaving my vote on him. I normally wake up for work around 3:30 am, so I left for the greater good (of being conscious at work).

DrWilgy - I love the flair ("exotic" is right) of Wilgy's posts; as for the logic, it seems disingenous, scheming, evil, etc. Baddie read.

Disingenous... normally. Scheming, always. Evil, wrong.

Out of all the BWT votes I think Wilgy's is one of the worst. Guy's a scum lean for me, now. Basing a vote on day 0 shit and sticking with it and not grappling with anything else for the rest of the day is bad stuff in my book.

Sounds pretty normal to me. I wasn't here. I specifically addressed how I play earlier, and those who I played recruitment with at least know a little bit about how I play. If you would like a recap of that game from my perspective I'd gladly give one.

Ok, just now catching up. (I think I did alright on my exams) Voting LC for now, not reading the interactions with bea to be genuine. Still really far behind, though.

This sounds like a baddie who acts like he's constantly behind, so he can't really be accounted for his behaviour.

Or someone who was really busy IRl, and is now trying to catch back up.

I see you catching up Wilgy.

Can you change my mind before I change my vote?

I will try my best. Don't wanna let everyone down.

General thoughts about the votes that are placed on me. I flubbed by being triggered by BWT. I don't have alot to defend myself with other than sorry I was away. If I do get lynched, I'm sorry that I made it so easy.

From skimming,
I will not be voting for Epi, Zebra, and Diiny.

(Also expect me to be active from here on out I'm actually really excited)

[Matt]

Ok, of the people participating in the thread then. Twisting words much? You are still the only one stuck on day 0.

She said you had a good point and could be on to something. Has she said anything else about me since then? So yeah, it's still just you.

And as a result, vote is staying where it is.

I didn't twist anything. You said everyone else. I quoted you saying everyone else. Who's twisting?

[Elohcin]

Knock knock, Eloh!

Who's there?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

[a2thezebra]

If you don't want me to vote for you Wilgy I'm going to need to see that Step 2 ASAP and it's going to need to be pretty damn good.

[motel room]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

what do you think of Choutas?

[Matt]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

Do you think it's more likely the Mafia voted one of their own into office or just let it go so nothing could get linked back to them?

[DrWilgy]

Working on it!

[a2thezebra]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

Why bcornett still?

[Russtifinko]

Matt F is definitely town.

Definitely? What makes you say that??

To clarify, I think Sorsha's most recent post is trying to get motel room to switch back to LC. It's suspicious to me since she just voted bcornett. Why promote lynching a major candidate that you yourself won't vote for? If she were to get motel room to vote LC, and LC flips civ, she could sit back and laugh and let motel take the heat for it.

Linki: Wait, so are you trying to convince motel room NOT to switch back to LC? Now I'm confused.

What?! I'm trying to get players to NOT vote for LC.

I'm just sus of why motel is moving his vote around like he is.

Aha. I took that completely the wrong way, then.

Well in that case I dunno who to vote. I still suspect Epi and Matt F but don't see either being lynched today.

I feel like Matt is stretching with trying to find links where there are none and he's still on day 0 when everyone else is on day 2 so yeah... I can see that. Epi hasn't seemed like himself this game but getting lynched early a couple games might have him trying to lay low early for a change? Not sure on him yet.

Don't agree with me when I'm suspecting you!

Seriously though, I could go for Epi if we can get it together.

You suspecting my suspects and Matt F suspecting you makes this really hard, but it does make me feel like at least one of the three of you is lying.

[Diiny]

Wilgy: looking forward to analysis

J: Are you staying on brian? If so, explain. If not, explain

Llama: are you seriously gone?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

what do you think of Choutas?

While I'm hesitant to rely on a dusty old meta from the ancient era of 2012/2013, I think Choutas is squarely on-meta. His manner of explaining the maneuvers of other players, especially those he knows well, reminds me of the same Choutas from Christmas Past and gives me no bad vibes. His investigative contributions aren't quite where I'd like for them to be though. If I were to generate a rainbow, he'd be a light green I think.

[Elohcin]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

How was your day?

[Russtifinko]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

What are you in Sweden for? And what part?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

Do you think it's more likely the Mafia voted one of their own into office or just let it go so nothing could get linked back to them?

The only option is DrWilgy, so with that in mind I'd say it's more likely there isn't wasn't a mafioso elected. I haven't thoroughly investigated him myself, but on the surface I've not been alarmed; he's seemed well enough like his Caelia-recruited self. I put very little thought into my own vote, and if that was a trend then it's more likely that the results were random/popularity contest.

[Matt]

You suspecting my suspects and Matt F suspecting you makes this really hard, but it does make me feel like at least one of the three of you is lying.

Again, Russ, is there anything you'd like to ask me? I am not afraid of any questions as I have nothing to hide. Ask away.

Also, as with Roxy, I believe Sorsha only started suspecting me once I became suspicious of her and Eloh. In fact, I believe you are one of the few people to suspect me without NOU. And again, if you have any questions, ask away.

Linki JJJ - Thanks

[Epignosis]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

How was your day?

[a2thezebra]

@Rus

Same reason I'm obviously town. Supatowning. It doesn't have to be agreed upon, as long as there is content, and that content appears genuine.

[motel room]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

what do you think of Choutas?

While I'm hesitant to rely on a dusty old meta from the ancient era of 2012/2013, I think Choutas is squarely on-meta. His manner of explaining the maneuvers of other players, especially those he knows well, reminds me of the same Choutas from Christmas Past and gives me no bad vibes. His investigative contributions aren't quite where I'd like for them to be though. If I were to generate a rainbow, he'd be a light green I think.

I don't think I remember that about him when he played under his other names. I missed the "Choutas" era though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Brief appearance. Ask me things.

Why bcornett still?

Still because I don't believe he's made an appearance since I placed my vote. My prior two suspects (sig and LC) both answered every question I asked. Brian is a more involved civilian than this, even with time constraints, and even the posts he has made have largely been void of content. He's seemed to go with the flow, and that's not something I'd associate with a towncornett24.

[Diiny]

There are other people to vote for, J. You think scum brian's just straight up given up on day 2?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

J: Are you staying on brian? If so, explain. If not, explain

That was my plan when I entered the thread just now. I do have the freedom to click on someone else's name though. Should I?

[a2thezebra]

You're better than this, J. That is unless you're scum, in which case you're doing fine.

linki: YES.