The Syndicate

I was expecting to come and find the day had started.
Well, at least no one is dead yet...

This is actually better for me, because I'm busy. Take your time, MP. Sorry for it ruining your plans

Is the Night lasting this long purely for Christmassy reasons?

Typhoony wrote:Is the Night lasting this long purely for Christmassy reasons?

Yes! Apologies, I've been preoccupied.

I'm going to start working on stuff now, post will be up as soon as I can get it up.

Spacedaisy, why didn't you vote last day?

Typhoony wrote:MP: Simon hasn't posted (or been online for that matter) in nearly 5 days. Has he notified you of this or what's up with that?

He has not.

He will not be able to win with his faction.

FZ., unless you've done a stellar job fooling me, MM and/or spacedaisy are Mafia. Simon isn't Phosbat, as I've demonstrated.

RIP Typhoony :-( I really enjoyed playing with you. I hope we do it again soon

It would have been nice if they killed someone less talkative. Why are baddies always killing the active people. It's cowardly.

Epignosis wrote:FZ., unless you've done a stellar job fooling me, MM and/or spacedaisy are Mafia. Simon isn't Phosbat, as I've demonstrated.

No, it's not me. Kind of wish it was. I wouldn't feel so stupid. I need to go, but I'll leave you with some questions:

1. You said you thought you knew SD's role. Do you not think this any more, or are you not as sure?

2. Between the two, who do you think is more likely to be the baddie.

By the way, I guess this means K4J was also a baddie. I'm impressed. He completely fooled me. I thought I was good at reading him. I guess we had more luck than brains this game, LOL.

MM, and SD, what do you have to say in your defense? I'd like to hear each of your suspicions, and SD, like I asked, why didn't you vote last day?

Okay, I'm going to sleep.

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:FZ., unless you've done a stellar job fooling me, MM and/or spacedaisy are Mafia. Simon isn't Phosbat, as I've demonstrated.

No, it's not me. Kind of wish it was. I wouldn't feel so stupid. I need to go, but I'll leave you with some questions:

1. You said you thought you knew SD's role. Do you not think this any more, or are you not as sure?

2. Between the two, who do you think is more likely to be the baddie.

By the way, I guess this means K4J was also a baddie. I'm impressed. He completely fooled me. I thought I was good at reading him. I guess we had more luck than brains this game, LOL.

MM, and SD, what do you have to say in your defense? I'd like to hear each of your suspicions, and SD, like I asked, why didn't you vote last day?

Okay, I'm going to sleep.

1. I have SD pegged as a certain role. I have MM pegged as a certain role. If you are good, both of those can't be true.

2. I don't know. I have to read them both again.

Spacedaisy wrote:If this lynch were different I would feel way more comfortable with one of the following three being on the chopping block:

Typhoony
Gleam
Simon

At the moment that is my short list.

Day 5. Lists three civilians.

If the Phosbat is alone, then it has a vote worth 3.

I want spacedaisy and MetalMarsh talking. If one of them is a civilian, this is a SHAMFUR DISPRAY.

According to my spreadsheet, Metalmarsh cannot be a protagonist, but could be a red Pikmin.

spacedaisy could be a purple Pikmin or Olimar, but not Alph.

I think I have Simon narrowed down and he isn't bad (though he's grounded for not playing, the little twit. I can't blame him. He did get a bunch of presents and a Wii U with Smash Bros., so I'm sure the host gets it).

Reading the roles again, if this phosbat is the last baddie, not only does he have 3 votes, but there could be another 2 votes on someone if he used the fog tonight, assuming it wasn't used twice already. Which means, this is practically useless. Unless one of us has a vote worth more than 1, the lynch is already sealed. Maybe they're just waiting for it to be close to deadline. Does it mean the game is over?

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Okay, I'm caught up.

I'm not really sure what to make of MM's vote. I get it, he wasn't here, it's the holidays and he's busy. But since he was here to vote, I wish he'd tried a little harder. Epi, would you say this is any easy way out vote, or real lack of time to invest and a decision to save himself over you? What is MM more likely to do as a civ, and as a baddie?
I do want to ask MM one question though, if you get back here today: You were pretty suspicious of Epi most game, and it looked like the curse made you change your mind. At least it appeared that way when you voted for someone else, I forgot who it was. Would you say you're still suspicious of Epi, or is it only to save yourself? Because let's face it, if it's the latter and you're a civ, that's a pretty lame thing to do at this stage of the game.

If I'm being honest, I think MM's sudden vote for me makes him look better, not worse. I don't believe he'd phone it in like that if he were bad.

I wasn't phoning anything in. I just got caught up in family madness (in a good way), and lost any chances to sit down and play mafia.

Epignosis wrote:Is there really no more posting with less than an hour before the deadline?

I hope lynching gleam ends this thing.

Considering the revealed roles, why did you think that there is only one mafia left?

Using the premise that Glorfindel was bad:

Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Greetings, All Yes, I have come back to y'all! Following my departure from Star Wars a number of you messaged me and for those of you who did, I am indebted to you for your kindness to me I'm more than happy to support MPs game (despite seriously not having the first clue about this theme...) and I will endeavour to do my best.

As far as the cutest Pimkin is concerned I think it comes down to either blue or yellow (that white one is frankly just frightening LOL!). I've always considered the ability to truly listen to be ultimately more important than the ability to speak so I'm going to cast my vote for Yellow Pimkin

So glad to get to play with you!

Also, I forgot to mention my opinion of the white pikmin. Because frankly it is creepy. Those red eyes.... Ew.

The feeling is mutual, my friend

Friendly banter.

Glorfindel wrote:Spacedaisy just seems nice (not unlike I'd imagine a yellow Pikmin to be ) so I don't expect I'll be voting for her anytime soon.

Says daisy seems nice and has no plans of voting her.

Glorfindel wrote:

Enrique wrote:

FZ. wrote:I love that Matt has all the mafia figured out.
I always wanted to play a game where everyone names who they think the mafia members are on the first day, based on gut feeling of day 0 or day 1, and then we look at the list at the end of the game and see who's intuition we should rely on in the future.

For the fun of it.

Glorfindel
Matt
sig

Four posts in almost 48 hours and the justification for his vote on me is "For the fun of it"? This was followed by Matt inviting Boomslang to join in on a vote on me and after being challenged by Spacedaisy, Matt changes his vote TO Boomslang. I don't like what I'm seeing here and I'm wondering if this exchange was an indication of something more sinister? I may change my vote later but for now, I'm prepared to vote for Enrique. I think that if he should turn out to be Mafia, it may give us something more to work with.

spacedaisy defended Glorfindel.

In clarifying her defense, spacedaisy says:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Matt wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Matt wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

I didn't ask you to repeat yourself I asked you to explain it. I am willing to listen to any case, and if there is some logic there I might be swayed, but simply saying if this person is bad and this person is civ then this other person must be bad. I need to understand what you used to draw these conclusions. Because Glorfindel did not vote Simon?

Been there done that. I make up huge cases, they subsequently get ignored.

Spacedaisy, is there a reason you do not want to lynch Glorfindel? I'm beginning to think your readiness to lynch an 8 year old yet your continuing momma bearing of Glorfindel is suspish.

I don't not want to lynch Glorfindel. I didn't want to lynch him Day 1 for no reason considering how his last game went for him. What I do want is to understand why you have drawn the conclusion he must be bad. I'm all for voting someone who might be bad, including Glorfindel. Asking for an explanation does not equal defending him. I want to hear your case, but you aren't really giving me one and I don't understand your reluctance to explain to me what it is I must be missing that you say is as simple as 2+2=4.

Shortly after, Glorfindel answers spacedaisy for Matt:

Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

Glorfindel wrote:Spacedaisy: I'm not going to lie - irrespective of who she votes for, I consider her one of the most transparently 'Towny' players in this game right now. Admittedly, my judgement could be coloured by the fact that she seems to me to be a genuinely lovely person but if I'm wrong for holding such a view, so be it. Vote for me Spacesdaisy, don't vote for me - my opinion of you won't change - although I believe that you are smart enough to know the truth and not have your opinion distorted by deliberate untruths and half-truths.

This is such a schmaltzy post riddled with buddying, one that goes so far as to put's Glorfindel's appraisal of spacedaisy's intelligence on the line.

Glorfindel wrote:

Matt wrote:Anyone iso Daisy? To whom it may concern, of course Daisy protecting Glorfindel doesn't mean they're teamies. However it's possible Daisy is mafioso and happens to know Glorfindel is good, hence the "let's protect the civvie" card. Therefore suspish. Especially since she was willing to lynch Simon of all people. I dunno, doesn't add up.

There is a chance you could very well be right there Matt but I'm sufficiently confident in my instincts and ability to read people to stand by what I have said already on the public record about Spacedaisy.

And you're right, this is a truly intriguing game...

Glorf stands by his instincts and ability to read people.

The funny thing here is that if spacedaisy is good, Matt had the alignments backwards.

++++

On Day 4, Glorfindel blesses us with a list.

Glorfindel wrote:OK, trying to look at this logically, there are 13 players left in the game. 3 of these are 'Bosses', 4 are Protagonists leaving the remaining six of us as Pikmin (and in the scheme of things, that's not a lot of Pikmin...). Using my personal opinion (based on my observations and gut reads) as a means for a process of elimination, this is where I think we are:

Strong Town reads:
Dragon D. Luffy
Glorfindel (Me )
Metalmars89

Town reads:
Epignosis
Kneel4justice
Matt
Typhoony

Town lean reads:
Simon
Spacedaisy

Which leaves only 4 players from which I think we will find our Bosses:
Agleaminranks
Boomslang
Dr Wilgy and
FZ

For the time being, I'm voting for FZ but I think there is a very high likelihood that Dr Wilgy and Boomslang are Mafia.

Thoughts, anyone?

Why is MetalMarsh89 in that top category? At no point ever (except Day 1 here) did Glorfindel interact or comment on MetalMarsh.

Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Also, if you are civ, why do you put DDL as your top civ read. You are more sure of him than you Ate of yourself?

Because I created those lists in alphabetical order as the appear in the poll at the top of the page perhaps and the last time I looked, 'D' comes before 'G'...?

spacedaisy has a chuckle about Glorf's alphabetized list.

Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Glorfindel, not that long ago you were saying I add your most town read, what has changed to stop me down to nearly off the list entirely? I'm not the bottom of your town lean reads. I'm curious about this as well as the fact that Matt went from suspecting you to telling people to follow your vote... That is not normal. It makes me think he was either distancing from you before or budding up to you now.

My most recent reads revolve around Matt as their focal point. I've seen him move from bafoonery (which seems to be his modus operandi early in games of Mafia while he is trying to find his feet) to attempts at genuine engagement and analysis. This is still very much a 'gut read' but if I'm right, there is something awfully fishy about his wagon. Indeed you were my strongest Town read earlier but now your focusing on Matt... I don't know. If the lynch on Matt goes ahead, the result will for me, solidify a lot of my reads and if were indeed Mafia, you'd be right back at the top of the list... In the appropriate alphabetical order of course

Glorfindel explains his waning confidence in spacedaisy's goodness as being the result of spacedaisy's focus on Matt.

Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, that's a reasonable answer. Your vote is interesting. You Ate saying there seems to be a wagon don't on but instead of voting somewhere that makes a difference you are throwing your vote off.

I'm throwing my vote precisely where I think it should be. Given a lot of other players have expressed their concerns over Dr Wigly this isn't too far a stretch. That Matt wagon is looking worse by the minute...

spacedaisy approves of his response as reasonable but questions his vote.

It was at this point that the lynch ended and I called Glorfindel bad and then Brit killed Glorfindel.

I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.

I get that he was killed by a Pikmin. I also get that at least one Boss is dead at this point. It does add up.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Is there really no more posting with less than an hour before the deadline?

I hope lynching gleam ends this thing.

Considering the revealed roles, why did you think that there is only one mafia left?

Why did?

I still do.

Snagret isn't killing- only Phosbat is. The Wraith could still be alive, but k4j got killed by a bomb rock, which "can also be used to defeat enemies, and are particularly useful for doing so with bosses."

EBWOP: Killed by a Protagonist, not a Pikmin.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.

What's the reason?

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.

What's the reason?

That he knew my role.

I guess it's not a bad assumption that the Snagrat has been killed, but I don't think it's guaranteed.

Here's a proposition: Simon is the Burrowing Snagret.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.

What's the reason?

That he knew my role.

I guess it's not a bad assumption that the Snagrat has been killed, but I don't think it's guaranteed.

I see one way listed on the front page for a civilian to know another civilian's role.

From my notes, you can't have that role.

Strike 1.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's a proposition: Simon is the Burrowing Snagret.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, what are your current thoughts on Simon? I'm concerned by the fact that once the storm blew over from the first couple days we have heard nothing from him at all. It worries me that he might be trying to avoid making anymore mistakes and letting his teammates take the lead. Where do you stand on Simon now?

Any more mistakes? The kid said he was on a team with sig and nobody really lifted a finger. He could burn a church down and most of the people here would go, "Aw, isn't he cute?"

No, I don't think he's bad.

First, I would expect him to be more involved if he had BTSC and a team depending on him. Second, my initial suspicion was predicated on him being sig's teammate, which isn't the case. Third, when Simon took votes and sig got lynched, I didn't detect a move to throw him under the bus or one to save him (sig got lynched by landslide). Fourth, Simon said, "I voted for boomslang. I might win because I haven't gotten lynched yet." Simon has never played a game where civilians win dead or alive, and thus this would be a strange thing for him to say if he were bad and knew he would win dead or alive if his team did. Fifth, Simon had his vote on me at one point, and then changed it to Scotty: If he were bad, what reason would he have to switch like that for, as he put it, "No reason. " and then not turn around and try to lynch me?

All of this points to Simon being good.

Strike 2.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Typhoony wrote:MP: Simon hasn't posted (or been online for that matter) in nearly 5 days. Has he notified you of this or what's up with that?

He has not.

He will not be able to win with his faction.

Additionally, even if Simon were the Snagret, lynching him would be pointless at this stage. The Phosbat, with its increasing vote, needs to go today.

MM, what do you think about SD?

It's weird that she's not here. I don't know what to make of it

Epi, is Simon planning on every posting or voting, or has he just dropped the game?

This is ridiculous. We haven't heard from two players in 2 days and it's at the stage of end game. How are we supposed to make a decision here?

agleaminranks
3
Epignosis (13), Typhoony (14), FZ. (15) 20%

Epignosis
2
agleaminranks (10), Metalmarsh89 (12) 13%

In the last lynch, I believe the Phosbat expected me to go down, so it must have been surprising that I survived.

MetalMarsh voted me for "self-preservation" when he had one vote from Typhoony (which Typhoony had placed only to get MM to talk). Such caution, I think, only makes sense if you are Pikmin.

But MM acknowledges this only possible reason Glorfindel had him in the "Strong Town" section of his list:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.

What's the reason?

That he knew my role.

I guess it's not a bad assumption that the Snagrat has been killed, but I don't think it's guaranteed.

I see one way listed on the front page for a civilian to know another civilian's role.

From my notes, you can't have that role.

Strike 1.

Based on what is listed on the front, MM seems to suggest that he's Charlie and that Glorfindel was Alph, which I don't believe is possible- I don't believe for a moment MM is a protagonist. In addition, it suggests that MM should not have had a bout of paranoia over one (temporary) vote from Typhoony.

In conclusion, I don't buy that MM voted me for self-preservation. I believe it was a convenient excuse to stack a +3 vote on me and remove me from the game, and then do a 1-2 punch on agleaminranks next. I believe he fully expected me to be lynched.

Finally, none of MM's claims today make any sense: Glorf (the closest thing to confirmed Mafia we have) had him as a strong civilian without having mentioned him in any capacity, so it must have been because Glorf knew his role? Simon is the Burrowing Snagret without any evidence suggesting such a thing? Please.

FZ. wrote:Epi, is Simon planning on every posting or voting, or has he just dropped the game?

I would be surprised if we heard from him.

After this is over, I will have a fatherly discussion with him about flaking on things he agrees to do.

But if what you're saying about MM is true, than why weren't you lynched that day?

I'll be back in a few hours.

FZ. wrote:But if what you're saying about MM is true, than why weren't you lynched that day?

I'll be back in a few hours.

Oh, let's just say there was someone looking out for little old me.

Three hours.

FZ. wrote:Spacedaisy, why didn't you vote last day?

Because I got wrapped up in work and preparing for my I laws to visit and missed the poll end.

Spacedaisy wrote:

FZ. wrote:Spacedaisy, why didn't you vote last day?

Because I got wrapped up in work and preparing for my I laws to visit and missed the poll end.

Okay. The deadline is in 45 minutes. Who do you think we should vote for and why?

If MM actually is implying he is Charlie then without question he should be lynched because I am confident this is false.

FZ. wrote:MM, what do you think about SD?

I don't have any thoughts on her, except, it seems she's been as MIA as I have.

What do you think about SD?

Linki: I'm not Charlie.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, what do you think about SD?

I don't have any thoughts on her, except, it seems she's been as MIA as I have.

What do you think about SD?

Linki: I'm not Charlie.

So who do you think is bad?

Spacedaisy wrote:If MM actually is implying he is Charlie then without question he should be lynched because I am confident this is false.

Where did you think I said I was Charlie?

Also, there is the possibility of there actually being 2 baddies remaining, if I'm not mistaken. I'm a little concerned by Epi driving the direction of this conversation and feeling really tin foil at the moment. I don't trust any of you.

Linki: Epi said it, not me. I was saying if this was true you should be lynched.

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, what do you think about SD?

I don't have any thoughts on her, except, it seems she's been as MIA as I have.

What do you think about SD?

Linki: I'm not Charlie.

So who do you think is bad?

Everyone.

But I agree with what Epignosis said earlier, that even if Simon is bad, lynching him would be pointless today.

Both of you are not helping. You're both saying you don't trust any of the others. Wow, big help. Maybe you two are both the baddies together

The worst part of this is that outside of Simon I have felt like you three were the ones I suspected the least. Now I am in end game and I feel certain that at least one of you has fooled me.