The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:48 pm We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:44 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:48 pm We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

That is a fucked up game. "Play my game where at least two are guaranteed to die except I will not tell you, OR, do not play and I will kill two players randomly".

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:47 pm If you both are scum though, I will praise you for having bigger Bs than me, because I as a wolf would not do it.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:23 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:21 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:21 pm There cant be 3 3p left. Ender / SVS / PC can there? 2 Mafia. = 5 / 9 no. Game would be over already. so its just SVS + PC?

like here
why would you assume 3p would wolfside

Mod squad's wincon is achievable from beyond their grave which doesn't seem to depend on mafia win

no I was trying to figure out how many actual town were left. Its safer to assume 3p will wolf side

mk.

If you were trying to get into PoE why did you expect tutuu to townread you and why would she just wolfread you if she knew she normally townreads you.
Also not sure where i'm going with this but scotty also thought you were a wolf so it's not like "mafia is completely making everything up" (scotty started considering it before tutuu i think)

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:42 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:36 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:25 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:23 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:17 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:15 pm

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.

but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.

Nanook knows what he’s doing. That contest was town-bait, objectively no one should have signed up until we discussed who and pushed people into it, but that was never gonna happen.

When I saw the playerlist I immediately thought ‘ok this is probably five town’ lol.

I guess sig was playing with house money because he can still win which explains him signing up despite not being town.

ok if that is true. Then Porscha and PC are just town / not mafia and I need to lay off them. Sloonie, me, you are town as well. who does that leave me with? Ender / SVS / Dizzy / Guillo - so its either.
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo
SVS + Ender, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo
Dizzy + Ender, Dizzy + SVS, Dizzy + Guillo
Guillo + Ender, Guillo + SVS, Guillo + Dizzy

Removing duplicates:
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo, Dizzy + Guillo
Which is most likely?

People keep saying guillo is town from the CC but he gave it up pretty fast imho. But he did defend me against PC. But it could be a pocket.
Ender has been the main force of me being read as wolf and hasnt let it go, he also killed Michelle someone who can read him well, I also do not believe he wouldnt read his role carefully and get confused by it. But Nanook is crafty.
SVS is probably just scum here especially after the EOD choice of scotty over her.
Dizzy has made it to late game, dizzy isnt hitting wolves and doing the scum hunting I expect

so SVS + Dizzy is the world I live in atm but I would love to hear what people think of the above

Yes this is why my poe of svs dizzy guillo (maybe ender but only the event we made it that far with no luck) was what it was

And I did mention this earlier in the game but I have good reason to believe enders claim that his role was vague and he was playing it by ear, and that he was not lying
Now it might not guarantee hes town... but I also dont think his ability would be a wolf's ability so at worst hes 3p

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:58 pm @Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:16 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:58 pm @Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

I should not be relied on to make this kind of decision. I have been open about my lack of clarity on reads in this game. There is simply too much of the game that I have not read. My goals have been to help others make reads and to foster a productive, healthy thread environment.

So what I can do is try to help you through your confirmation bias.

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and type your best argument for town-reading Party Crasher.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:16 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:58 pm @Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

I should not be relied on to make this kind of decision. I have been open about my lack of clarity on reads in this game. There is simply too much of the game that I have not read. My goals have been to help others make reads and to foster a productive, healthy thread environment.

So what I can do is try to help you through your confirmation bias.

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and type your best argument for town-reading Party Crasher.

They have been trying to get me a wolf over for the better part of 5 days.
They entered a game of death and came out where most likely only town and 3p entered

Everything else is kinda... bla and I dont love the town reasons because I can think of reasons why a wolf would do it.

tbh, thats really it. I want to think of more but its just not there

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:22 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:16 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:58 pm @Sloonei I need you to make an audible here, I am stuck in my own confbias against PC. Its likely lylo and we need to hit wolf. You tell me where and I go.

I should not be relied on to make this kind of decision. I have been open about my lack of clarity on reads in this game. There is simply too much of the game that I have not read. My goals have been to help others make reads and to foster a productive, healthy thread environment.

So what I can do is try to help you through your confirmation bias.

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and type your best argument for town-reading Party Crasher.

They have been trying to get me a wolf over for the better part of 5 days.
They entered a game of death and came out where most likely only town and 3p entered

Everything else is kinda... bla and I dont love the town reasons because I can think of reasons why a wolf would do it.

tbh, thats really it. I want to think of more but its just not there

How has Party Crasher interacted with the flipped wolves?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:42 am @Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:46 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:42 am @Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

I have been holding onto a Golden town read since early in the game. It was based on our initial interactions early in the game. It was then strengthened by his claim, especially as it related to Alison. It was strengthened a second time by his demeanor this day phase. He has looked like a town player who is a bit exhausted but still very determined to win this thing.

I would need to read a summary of all the other mechanical claims to start piecing together more puzzle pieces. I know that Ender and Porscha both have some mechanical stuff floating around them, but I don't really know what the details of their claims are.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:46 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:42 am @Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

I have been holding onto a Golden town read since early in the game. It was based on our initial interactions early in the game. It was then strengthened by his claim, especially as it related to Alison. It was strengthened a second time by his demeanor this day phase. He has looked like a town player who is a bit exhausted but still very determined to win this thing.

I would need to read a summary of all the other mechanical claims to start piecing together more puzzle pieces. I know that Ender and Porscha both have some mechanical stuff floating around them, but I don't really know what the details of their claims are.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:46 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:42 am @Sloonei I truely believe you are the way we win this game. You can come in unbiased and solve. Unless there was a bus driver that ruined me / you / wilgy night 1. Which I find HIGHLY unlikely considering all the claims. You are the only person I can trust to have my best interests in mind. I can do my own stuff when I get home tonight but I would appreciate any input you can give me on whoever you can be bothered to sort

I have been holding onto a Golden town read since early in the game. It was based on our initial interactions early in the game. It was then strengthened by his claim, especially as it related to Alison. It was strengthened a second time by his demeanor this day phase. He has looked like a town player who is a bit exhausted but still very determined to win this thing.

I would need to read a summary of all the other mechanical claims to start piecing together more puzzle pieces. I know that Ender and Porscha both have some mechanical stuff floating around them, but I don't really know what the details of their claims are.

what is your opinion of the mini game of werewolves, do you believe that no wolves would have signed up for that? I feel like with 2 wolves 1 would have signed up to be able to influence how it went. Which means one of PC/Porscha is a wolf. Everyone else is asserting that its all town and I feel like one of them is the other wolf.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:54 am I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:54 am I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:58 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:54 am I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Give me a snap read of Rondo's posts over the last two pages, please and thanks.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:57 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:54 am I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

If you post aout me I will reply, I have already been talking about other people regardless of you. Implying I havent been eyeballing everyone else is hilarious to me. Dizzy could easily be scum but I leave them to Ender and Ender is being rather silent on them. Sure I will give them a go tonight.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:58 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:54 am I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Give me a snap read of Rondo's posts over the last two pages, please and thanks.

I think that those posts are better than the ones I have been scumreading Rondo for
Considering he has over 1k posts, I find that a non-scummy drop in a scummy ocean is not something that makes me change my mind too much
It doesn't help that Rondo admits that he wants to be in the PoE and is purposefully scummy. I'm unsure if he expected another outcome of this strategy (than me obliging and putting him in my PoE)
I am holding off on making a judgement yet as I am conserving my energy, sanity and post count. I want to see SVS flip. (judgement between rondo and dizzy, that is)

-t

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:11 am how is it a surprise to you that I like to be scummy? Why does the admission have any impact at all? Have you not played a game with me before? I can point to King of the Hill where I played as scummy chaos Rondo and then towned up and won it. You have played games with me where I have acted super scummy and you have defended me how is this game different to cartomancy?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:58 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:54 am I will re-evaluate everything based off SVS flip

Rondo, please try to not make every post about me. If you are town it will help me find you if I see how you go on about solving the other players

While I have been pushing you hard, I haven't shied away from casing every single player, and pushing them hard too

We have about 19 hours left in the day, it would be great if you can make a case on your read on everyone until then

I am especially interested in your Dizzy read, as he is my next scumread. Coming into this day phase, I was scumreading him more than you

-t

Give me a snap read of Rondo's posts over the last two pages, please and thanks.

I think that those posts are better than the ones I have been scumreading Rondo for
Considering he has over 1k posts, I find that a non-scummy drop in a scummy ocean is not something that makes me change my mind too much
It doesn't help that Rondo admits that he wants to be in the PoE and is purposefully scummy. I'm unsure if he expected another outcome of this strategy (than me obliging and putting him in my PoE)
I am holding off on making a judgement yet as I am conserving my energy, sanity and post count. I want to see SVS flip. (judgement between rondo and dizzy, that is)

-t

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:04 pm I currently have these players are town

Neon - Well out of wolfrange, claimed Sabi kill.
sig - Claimed Alison kill, seemed fairly townie from interaction with Mac today.
Golden - If his claim is correct, then his mech handling of Alison and wonder at SOD3 if he was involved in killing Alison are good looks.

MacDougall - His self towncase looks solid and I'm content with that for now. Also the worry I had about him EOD1 has mostly evaporated. Also I think his worldview post is outside of his scumrange.

EnderWiggin ??? - Ender's progressions and attempts to solve the game today look good. His role is confirmed and it's probably town (unless he's teammates with exactly DrWilgy and Scotty). @EnderWiggin why did you pick these two players.

Party Crasher ??? - Probably not mafia for masssive hydra reasons, and looks like they're playing pro-town. Their read on Alison is correct. Given how Alison was vigged in the thread position she was in, where I think she was mostly townread, I think anyone who was actually pushing her is less likely to be her teammate.

RondoDimBuckle ??? - Putting him here for now because he claims he can clear himself, also I looked back at his ISO last night and I thought his EOD2 was fine. He didn't really push Sean, but in a sean/Rondo w/w world, I would expect a little more effort to push a wagon onto a non-wolf player. That said, one thing I did not like from Rondo is that he did vote for me near EOD. Rondo/Urist would be the first to drop from this tier if self-resolving doesn't happen.

Urist - Rondo claimed he can clear him.




That leaves the following group of players to sort.


112
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon ???
falcon45ca
Guillotine
hollowkatt
Kate
Lilypetal
master radishes
Michelle
Porscha ???
S~V~S
Scotty
Sloonei ???

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:25 am Happy birthday guillo

-t

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:04 pm EnderWiggin - Ender's progressions and attempts to solve the game today look good. His role is confirmed and it's probably town (unless he's teammates with exactly DrWilgy and Scotty). @EnderWiggin why did you pick these two players.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:42 pm Why is neon being mean to me this game :/

trying to soft defend me

Neon / Rondo never aligned

alright, dont take your free spew

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:34 am @Guillotine I'm not sure if you answered this already, but I saw you changing votes rapidly yesterday at the cfd towards the end. What was your strategy?

-t

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:36 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:43 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:42 pm Why is neon being mean to me this game :/

trying to soft defend me

Neon / Rondo never aligned

alright, dont take your free spew