The Syndicate

Wow that’s actually a really great way to collect meta

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off

What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?

Read. The. Fucking. Game.

Why are you answering to me like you know im not faking it.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:06 pm
Surviving to end game as town is the absolute worst experience in Mafia.

-t

I had this exact thought yesterday

(At least when you’re approaching lylo)

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:07 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:06 pm
Surviving to end game as town is the absolute worst experience in Mafia.

-t

I had this exact thought yesterday

(At least when you’re approaching lylo)

It is the worse but ive never lost a mylo where the decision is up to me.

Or lylo

Guillo’s meta post is his towniest post all game.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:09 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:07 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:06 pm
Surviving to end game as town is the absolute worst experience in Mafia.

-t

I had this exact thought yesterday

(At least when you’re approaching lylo)

It is the worse but ive never lost a mylo where the decision is up to me.

I don’t believe I’ve ever lost mylo or lylo as any alignment yet but there’s a first time for everything.

I think I feel particularly at sea in this game and my reads are not the same as the reads of others.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:03 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:53 pm Guillo lemme ask you something
Even though I think I already know the answer
Since you've obviously not read that much of the game, how or why do you insist on having such strong reads

I dont need to read the entire game to catch scum, i just need to pay attention when im on.

I got a private server full of channels where i store meta from every player, i do this because i suffer from memory loss so i need to refer to this to remember players and their meta.
I write down notes there on how they behave under certain situations.

This is why i can easily call out Sig as scum from their first post.
Or hollowkatt or many many others whom i caught scum in their first post.

Dyslexicon is the kind of player that questions why someone townreads him, i have not seen even once him questioning golden and go deep into that here.
And AtEing as town, i have not seen him do that eithet. He is very collected.

There was another game where i also tunneled him and he was town, the difference is that in that game he laughed it off and ignored me.
Dyslexicon knows im in my town meta, or should know, here he has AtEd, mock me, gaslighted me (even though he apologized later), and throw shade at me from time to time.

This is not town Dyslexicon as far as my collected info is concerned and my few memories i still retain about him.

Yeh I know about the server thing and you're a great player guillo but having context can help evaluate why or how someone is doing or not doing something outside of numerical absolutes or general patterns
Mafia is not only a deduction game but also a social game
And I cant say I'm surprised you will play like you always do, your consistency is the apple of my eye, I just wonder if maybe there could be more to your reads if you had the time to digest the game more thoroughly

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:07 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off

What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?

Read. The. Fucking. Game.

Why are you answering to me like you know im not faking it.

I also do not think you're faking it

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:56 pm I'm losing my patience and I will leave and come back

These kind of posts are getting old from you

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:07 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off

What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?

Read. The. Fucking. Game.

Why are you answering to me like you know im not faking it.

I also do not think you're faking it

And?

@EnderWiggin What are your thoughts on the game? Why have you been quiet?

@RondoDimBuckle There is 0% chance that your parity check is fake, and that you're falsely clearing wolf Sloonei, right? Please, Rondo, 0% chance right?

-t

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:03 pmDyslexicon is the kind of player that questions why someone townreads him, i have not seen even once him questioning golden and go deep into that here.
And AtEing as town, i have not seen him do that eithet. He is very collected.

Calmly, not one of these premises are true. You don't know me at all, Guillo. It is very clear.

I town read Golden because it's very easy for me to read his mind frame as we have similar styles and view how to play in the same way.

There was another game where i also tunneled him and he was town, the difference is that in that game he laughed it off and ignored me.
Dyslexicon knows im in my town meta, or should know, here he has AtEd, mock me, gaslighted me (even though he apologized later), and throw shade at me from time to time.

This is not town Dyslexicon as far as my collected info is concerned and my few memories i still retain about him.

You are just wrong.

And where the hell is Rondo.

He has not ever questioned me once about my townread on him.

He had been pushing for me from day 1 to day 3, but that went away as soon he was in PC's PoE and i was the only ally.

So, it's like this

Guillo and PC, and also others in the game - Dizzy is for sure wolf or likely wolf - Me trying to town clear myself - ignored? - I think it's a detriment if I'm staying around to use up another round so I offer to get cleared up - "wow why do you want to get cleared up that's so wolfy lol"

I'm not the one creating this situation, at least I'm trying my best not to. So I'm at an impasse here.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:11 pm I think I feel particularly at sea in this game and my reads are not the same as the reads of others.

What names are of greatest concern when you consider these disagreements?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:24 pm So, it's like this

Guillo and PC, and also others in the game - Dizzy is for sure wolf or likely wolf - Me trying to town clear myself - ignored? - I think it's a detriment if I'm staying around to use up another round so I offer to get cleared up - "wow why do you want to get cleared up that's so wolfy lol"

I'm not the one creating this situation, at least I'm trying my best not to. So I'm at an impasse here.

Dyslexicon. What you are doing is LAMIST at its finrst because no town that is not a game thrower is gonna offer up to get killed to “clear themselves” at lylo or close to it.

Im sorry mate but it is what it is.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:24 pm So, it's like this

Guillo and PC, and also others in the game - Dizzy is for sure wolf or likely wolf - Me trying to town clear myself - ignored? - I think it's a detriment if I'm staying around to use up another round so I offer to get cleared up - "wow why do you want to get cleared up that's so wolfy lol"

I'm not the one creating this situation, at least I'm trying my best not to. So I'm at an impasse here.

I haven't said that I find it scummy that you're trying to get yourself killed by Guillo

If we had more numbers I'd be cool with some plays like that but I'm perpetually paranoid about unknown game mechanics. 5 people can die right now and I wouldn't be surprised. My reaction would be "Oh right, Nook did this, fair enough".

I just want to play as safe as possible and ideally have every single player vote SVS

This might not be the most optimal play but my body just can't handle another Gambit Demon win or whatever. GOC2020 was way too traumatizing. If there is a confirmed non-town in the game I just want to shoot it with 20 guns, vote it with 30 votes, report it for angleshooting to try to get it modkilled if I can. Just get it out of the game. I don't want it near me

-t

So since i know you dont throw games as town, since i know you la creme de la creme in mafia, since i know that you are a very smart player who knows better, my only conclusion is that you are just trying to survive, to buy time.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:29 pmDyslexicon. What you are doing is LAMIST at its finrst because no town that is not a game thrower is gonna offer up to get killed to “clear themselves” at lylo or close to it.

Im sorry mate but it is what it is.

The whole point is that it is even worse if I stick around and you all use MORE time mischopping me. I'm not offering myself up willingly because it's fun or a good idea. Both options are bad. And it is exactly because it's may be close to lylo that I'm doing it.

Have it your way.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:31 pm So since i know you dont throw games as town, since i know you la creme de la creme in mafia, since i know that you are a very smart player who knows better, my only conclusion is that you are just trying to survive, to buy time.

Do you honestly, hand to heart, not see the paradox here?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:11 pm I think I feel particularly at sea in this game and my reads are not the same as the reads of others.

What names are of greatest concern when you consider these disagreements?

Ender is of the greatest concern, in the sense that if you were to multiply ‘odds of being a wolf’ by ‘odds of not being elimmed’ I’d say his number comes out top.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:29 pmDyslexicon. What you are doing is LAMIST at its finrst because no town that is not a game thrower is gonna offer up to get killed to “clear themselves” at lylo or close to it.

Im sorry mate but it is what it is.

The whole point is that it is even worse if I stick around and you all use MORE time mischopping me. I'm not offering myself up willingly because it's fun or a good idea. Both options are bad. And it is exactly because it's may be close to lylo that I'm doing it.

That does not make sense! If im asked hey Guillo, will you be willing to die in a potential mylo to clear yourself? I would be saying no cause we'd lose.
If i accept it, i'd be playing against my condition. This is why i asked Michelle to shoot me as well, because i perceived that with the limited time i have to play this and how a couple of playets killed my fucking WIM with insults, it would be better to just fee me!

But no, Michelle refused and left me behind dealing with this mess, anyway my point is that back then it was ok for that play to happen. Not now, you are not a bad strategist, so i dont believe that you as town offer yourself up to get cleared by me close to lylo, because WE DONT KNOW WHAT POWERS ARE OUT THERE to mess with our plans.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:24 pm So, it's like this

Guillo and PC, and also others in the game - Dizzy is for sure wolf or likely wolf - Me trying to town clear myself - ignored? - I think it's a detriment if I'm staying around to use up another round so I offer to get cleared up - "wow why do you want to get cleared up that's so wolfy lol"

I'm not the one creating this situation, at least I'm trying my best not to. So I'm at an impasse here.

Dyslexicon. What you are doing is LAMIST at its finrst because no town that is not a game thrower is gonna offer up to get killed to “clear themselves” at lylo or close to it.

Im sorry mate but it is what it is.

The point is to prove your roleclaim. Which you could have done by simply confusing to vote yourself and shooting dizzy.

Continuing*

Oh yes - an argument for "slowing down" the game by not having Guillo kill people is that Ender gets to give out more items. Those items might just mechanically solve the game. 2 guns, 1 bomb, 1 pseudo-peek that ended up an alignment peek, so far @Dyslexicon

-t

There's no point in continuing this conversation.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:38 pm Oh yes - an argument for "slowing down" the game by not having Guillo kill people is that Ender gets to give out more items. Those items might just mechanically solve the game. 2 guns, 1 bomb, 1 pseudo-peek that ended up an alignment peek, so far @Dyslexicon

-t

This is a much better point at least. I want to be top priority for any potential investigation tool for tomorrow.

Unless the game just ends here and we are all fools. Again.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

Yah there is no point at all because i dont believe a single one of your posts.

If we reach final 3 together, im snap voting you, you may as well nigjt kill me because if you are a wolf, you have already lost.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

This is the 100% correct assessment.

In this game, guillo has chosen his wolf reads and everything is proof that he’s correct.

Apparently “that’s just guillo” but at the very least there’s no value in engaging with his case as being well read or rational, because it’s gut-based (assuming t!guillo) or designed to replicate meta (assuming w!guillo).

The case of guillo is a fascinating one.

A person who keeps a meta database who is being townread based on meta.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

This is the 100% correct assessment.

In this game, guillo has chosen his wolf reads and everything is proof that he’s correct.

Apparently “that’s just guillo” but at the very least there’s no value in engaging with his case as being well read or rational, because it’s gut-based (assuming t!guillo) or designed to replicate meta (assuming w!guillo).

If you are town, i dont wanna read posts from you post game for apologizing for shielding Dizzy.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:02 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:47 pm anyway, I'll repeat what I said to rondo. you literally cannot kill us now unless you either wait until LYLO or you get guillo to pop our vest tonight. and again, if that's your choice, everyone else better stack on SVS to make sure she dies while two of us vote guillo

What is helpful to town about this post, just to remind us that we can't chop you? When would we know when LYLO is?

it was a direct reply to you arguing for everyone else to pivot and focus on chopping us instead

not actually being able to chop us on the first try seems like pertinent information. relevant data, you might say

rondo says nanook told him that lylo is silent but I'm not sure I believe it in a game where half of town has a vote vig. but ok sure, let's assume it is silent:

that just means again, you have to pursue option 2 in order to kill us, and you are instead arguing that guillo should self-vote and just shoot you, so what is even the point of your case? are we scum or not? if we are, why are you falling on your sword and specifically preventing us from having our vest popped? you cannot simultaneously think we're LAWK WOLF and then go out of your way to make it impossible to deal with the LAWK WOLF

that path ONLY makes sense if you are covering for a scum partner to go to end game with an arranged mischop

I dislike this discredit of me. Ask Nanook yourself instead of discrediting me you'll get the same answer

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:45 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

This is the 100% correct assessment.

In this game, guillo has chosen his wolf reads and everything is proof that he’s correct.

Apparently “that’s just guillo” but at the very least there’s no value in engaging with his case as being well read or rational, because it’s gut-based (assuming t!guillo) or designed to replicate meta (assuming w!guillo).

If you are town, i dont wanna read posts from you post game for apologizing for shielding Dizzy.

I said this on day one when you first suspected me.

I’ll say it again here.

I do not care what you ‘want to read’ from me. You use a lot of controlling language that I don’t like or appreciate. I’ll post what I feel like posting. If you don’t want to read what I post that’s your choice and option.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:45 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

This is the 100% correct assessment.

In this game, guillo has chosen his wolf reads and everything is proof that he’s correct.

Apparently “that’s just guillo” but at the very least there’s no value in engaging with his case as being well read or rational, because it’s gut-based (assuming t!guillo) or designed to replicate meta (assuming w!guillo).

If you are town, i dont wanna read posts from you post game for apologizing for shielding Dizzy.

I said this on day one when you first suspected me.

I’ll say it again here.

I do not care what you ‘want to read’ from me. You use a lot of controlling language that I don’t like or appreciate. I’ll post what I feel like posting. If you don’t want to read what I post that’s your choice and option.

No, i mean it, if you are town and Dzzy is scum whom i believe he is, i better do not read an apology post from you post game when i spent the entire game telling you he was scum.

I better not.

Here is my take on guillo.

On day one, I said ‘there’s a lot of tropey stuff in the wolfreads’. Mac later asked me what I thought was genuinely wolf indicative.

I said: “the challenging of the truthfulness of my read on Kate” (Alison, Seanzie, Guillo, Urist, Scotty.)

And: “saying you’ll contribute more when the game is smaller” (sVS, Michelle, Guillo.)

Guillo being in both of these categories, each of which did legitimately prove to include non-town players for reasons that proved to be legitimately AI.

On day 2/3, wolves had a clear loss of ‘wim’. Guillo simply stoped participating during that point in time, reappearing once town started losing its way again. On day 3 the game was at the size guillo said he could contribute in, he wasn’t there. By now, guillo is in a size of game he can actively solve in, but his tunnel and the breadth of his thinking seems no more broad than day one.

From the very start of this game, Guillo has played in a way that people say is ‘just town’, it’s been out there since day one.

Guillo doesn’t have time or desire to read the thread and keeps derping about it’s content, consistently. Guillo does have time to read his own meta database, though.

The whole thing just doesn’t add up to me. I feel like guillo is playing a role… be actively wolfy, be meta cleared, retain a very narrow tunnel on civs.

Perhaps it just seems more obvious to me, or is confbiased, because I’ve been in guillo’s tunnel the entire game. But there has not been a single moment in this game where guillos reads on me have felt even slightly developed or evolving.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:49 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:45 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:39 pm There's no point in continuing this conversation.

This is the 100% correct assessment.

In this game, guillo has chosen his wolf reads and everything is proof that he’s correct.

Apparently “that’s just guillo” but at the very least there’s no value in engaging with his case as being well read or rational, because it’s gut-based (assuming t!guillo) or designed to replicate meta (assuming w!guillo).

If you are town, i dont wanna read posts from you post game for apologizing for shielding Dizzy.

I said this on day one when you first suspected me.

I’ll say it again here.

I do not care what you ‘want to read’ from me. You use a lot of controlling language that I don’t like or appreciate. I’ll post what I feel like posting. If you don’t want to read what I post that’s your choice and option.

No, i mean it, if you are town and Dzzy is scum whom i believe he is, i better do not read an apology post from you post game when i spent the entire game telling you he was scum.

I better not.

Guillo, this is emotionally abusive behaviour and I’m gonna ask you to stop it now.

You don’t get to control me

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off

What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?

Read. The. Fucking. Game.

dizzy town, I have felt this way multiple times when I see people just not reading the setup rules.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:09 pm Guillo’s meta post is his towniest post all game.

yeah I wanted to scum read him but yeah

Might be an absurd read, but if there is Mafia other than SVS it's probably Ender coz he's the only one who hasn't participated in toxicity or slap fights this whole long and exhausting game

-t

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:16 pm @EnderWiggin What are your thoughts on the game? Why have you been quiet?

@RondoDimBuckle There is 0% chance that your parity check is fake, and that you're falsely clearing wolf Sloonei, right? Please, Rondo, 0% chance right?

-t

there is never a 0% chance of anything. But unless I was bus driven and got the wrong returns then everything is fine.

I think we think about this after SVS flip. There being possible tools tomorrow is a good point I forgot to consider. I'm thinking about this differently now. Maybe I can be an asset and not a problem.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:19 pm And where the hell is Rondo.

He has not ever questioned me once about my townread on him.

He had been pushing for me from day 1 to day 3, but that went away as soon he was in PC's PoE and i was the only ally.

So?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:12 pm I think we think about this after SVS flip. There being possible tools tomorrow is a good point I forgot to consider. I'm thinking about this differently now. Maybe I can be an asset and not a problem.

I probably should've though this all the time tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:29 pmDyslexicon. What you are doing is LAMIST at its finrst because no town that is not a game thrower is gonna offer up to get killed to “clear themselves” at lylo or close to it.

Im sorry mate but it is what it is.

The whole point is that it is even worse if I stick around and you all use MORE time mischopping me. I'm not offering myself up willingly because it's fun or a good idea. Both options are bad. And it is exactly because it's may be close to lylo that I'm doing it.

@EnderWiggin we need your dizzy expertise

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:11 pm I think I feel particularly at sea in this game and my reads are not the same as the reads of others.

What names are of greatest concern when you consider these disagreements?

Ender is of the greatest concern, in the sense that if you were to multiply ‘odds of being a wolf’ by ‘odds of not being elimmed’ I’d say his number comes out top.

eh I am going to lose the game to Ender and say he is town

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:10 pm Might be an absurd read, but if there is Mafia other than SVS it's probably Ender coz he's the only one who hasn't participated in toxicity or slap fights this whole long and exhausting game

-t

Ender has been [REDACTED] for [REDACTED] reasons and I wont have people pushing him for inactivity. He did his gun thing and we only trusted wilgy after he shot a gun that ender gave. so we dont chop ender