The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:18 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:13 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:10 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:03 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:25 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:17 pm I’m not much for believing nk anaylsis is the best but ‘why did they pick rondo to kill’ is a meaningful question for me, or more pertinently ‘who would have killed rondo there’.

The unhelpful answer to that question is ‘frame ender’.

I neighboured ender btw. I spent plenty time in thread yesterday trying to ensure he wasn’t in the wolf kill pool.
why wouldn't you neighbour a slot that can survive your redirect?

why would you neighbour someone with the highest utility to town if they are also town?
You feeling left out?

I wanted to neighbour the person I wanted to solve.
explanation makes no sense but thanks for the reply i guess
It doesn’t make no sense. Ender was my top wolfread and you’re asking why I’d want to redirect a kill on me onto them because ‘what if they’re town’. It’s your line of thinking which is starting from the wrong spot.

And you neighbored Neon on N4. Because you wanted to redirect a kill on her too?

You also wanted to redirect a kill on nutella n2?

You also wanted to redirect a kill on Kate n3?

-t

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:20 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:39 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:20 pmThe solution on this could be found in interactive reads. I cannot take every person. Could we divvy them up?
This can't be a real thought. You're suggesting that we are, let's say construction workers, and you suggest we each build one wall of the building separately so it gets done faster. When, if you are town, you should know that at least one of those workers is a saboteur who will plant some explosives in the walls and make the roof fall on our asses.

When you know who built which wall, this is a good tactic.

But also we could take two each, do double duty. Increases the possibility of finding the sabotage.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:23 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:18 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:13 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:10 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:03 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:25 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:17 pm I’m not much for believing nk anaylsis is the best but ‘why did they pick rondo to kill’ is a meaningful question for me, or more pertinently ‘who would have killed rondo there’.

The unhelpful answer to that question is ‘frame ender’.

I neighboured ender btw. I spent plenty time in thread yesterday trying to ensure he wasn’t in the wolf kill pool.
why wouldn't you neighbour a slot that can survive your redirect?

why would you neighbour someone with the highest utility to town if they are also town?
You feeling left out?

I wanted to neighbour the person I wanted to solve.
explanation makes no sense but thanks for the reply i guess
It doesn’t make no sense. Ender was my top wolfread and you’re asking why I’d want to redirect a kill on me onto them because ‘what if they’re town’. It’s your line of thinking which is starting from the wrong spot.
And you neighbored Neon on N4. Because you wanted to redirect a kill on her too?

You also wanted to redirect a kill on nutella n2?

You also wanted to redirect a kill on Kate n3?

-t

I was fine with redirecting a kill on neon.
Nutella was for a different reason associated with the part of my role you don’t know, and the only pick I made while already having someone in the neighbourhood.

I wasn’t ok having my stuff redirected to kate but I did tell her up front ‘sorry about that part if it happens’ Kate was purely an opportunity to have someone to solve the game with who I knew I could trust.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:25 pm**

Also, Porscha, in direct response to ‘can I redirect off a neighbour’ I’ll go a bit further.

No I don’t redirect from my neighbours. Instead, in some circumstances I can stop a shot on them cold.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:26 pm**

My role was an extremely powerful town-tool to prevent mafia kills and vig shots that I never actually got to use to its potential.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:26 pm**

But I still think my Alison move was pretty slick

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:33 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:26 pm My role was an extremely powerful town-tool to prevent mafia kills and vig shots that I never actually got to use to its potential.

how did your town reads die, then

Nutella was for a different reason associated with the part of my role you don’t know, and the only pick I made while already having someone in the neighbourhood.

I wasn’t ok having my stuff redirected to kate but I did tell her up front ‘sorry about that part if it happens’ Kate was purely an opportunity to have someone to solve the game with who I knew I could trust.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:42 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:33 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:26 pm My role was an extremely powerful town-tool to prevent mafia kills and vig shots that I never actually got to use to its potential.
how did your town reads die, then

Nutella was for a different reason associated with the part of my role you don’t know, and the only pick I made while already having someone in the neighbourhood.

I wasn’t ok having my stuff redirected to kate but I did tell her up front ‘sorry about that part if it happens’ Kate was purely an opportunity to have someone to solve the game with who I knew I could trust.

The two people who died in my neighbourhood were Alison and Kate. Both of them while there was only one person there.

I couldn’t prevent kills on others until 2+ were there at once.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:43 pm**

If Alison and Nutella were both there at once nutella would have had a substantial additional protection.

Choosing her after telling Alison I would was me getting cocky and my biggest mistake of the game.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:45 pm**

PC… seriously, just go read back. Don’t ignore what I’ve said to you. I don’t believe the view I’m wolf is sustainable on a thorough read back.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:48 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:43 pm If Alison and Nutella were both there at once nutella would have had a substantial additional protection.

Choosing her after telling Alison I would was me getting cocky and my biggest mistake of the game.

really? that was your biggest mistake? and not "hey my dear SVS, want me to give you another day to live? ily boo

"

-t

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:51 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:43 pm If Alison and Nutella were both there at once nutella would have had a substantial additional protection.

Choosing her after telling Alison I would was me getting cocky and my biggest mistake of the game.
really? that was your biggest mistake? and not "hey my dear SVS, want me to give you another day to live? ily boo "

-t

Nah, I still think I may have literally chosen the wolf kill that day.

Letting svs survive a day wasn’t a problem in the scheme of things.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:52 pm**

If you think I’m wolfmates with svs you should really do interactive reading in both directions.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:54 pm**

I mean, for one, me literally asking svs if she wants to survive another day in the thread would be an obvious non-paired tell in any world where we aren’t paranoid because we all townread each other.

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:55 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:51 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:43 pm If Alison and Nutella were both there at once nutella would have had a substantial additional protection.

Choosing her after telling Alison I would was me getting cocky and my biggest mistake of the game.
really? that was your biggest mistake? and not "hey my dear SVS, want me to give you another day to live? ily boo "

-t
Nah, I still think I may have literally chosen the wolf kill that day.

Letting svs survive a day wasn’t a problem in the scheme of things.

*squints*

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:55 pm**

tbh porscha looks the worst rn imo tbh fr fr

Posted: **Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:59 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:55 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:51 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:43 pm If Alison and Nutella were both there at once nutella would have had a substantial additional protection.

Choosing her after telling Alison I would was me getting cocky and my biggest mistake of the game.
really? that was your biggest mistake? and not "hey my dear SVS, want me to give you another day to live? ily boo "

-t
Nah, I still think I may have literally chosen the wolf kill that day.

Letting svs survive a day wasn’t a problem in the scheme of things.
*squints*

Squint away.

Or background check.

Go find a deepwolf game where I’m not clean as a whistle at lylo, without at least one if not too full busses under my belt.

I have been saying it all game. If you want to find a wolf you need to listen. I am not in my wolfrange. I have never been in my wolfrange this game.

I don’t leave big tells or connective tissue, at all. I drive the bus and I make sure my votes hit at the most clearing possible moment. I hit lylo with such an unimpeachable record no one can doubt my townie credentials.

I gave you a read of dizzy that absolutely describes why I’m on my town game.

Please… spending my time defending to you is a waste of what time I have.., I beg you, go do interactive reads. I think you will legitimately find a view that I’m wolf cannot be sustained.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:01 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:55 pm tbh porscha looks the worst rn imo tbh fr fr

Porscha is the person who I know the least about my own reasons for townreading her.

Dizzy I know exactly why I townread them, but is the most likely candidate for me being emotionally blind.

I do not think there is a mafia of 12 people. If you are mafia, good game well played I just don’t see it.

From my perspective Porscha/dizzy is the PoE.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:06 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:59 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:55 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:51 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:43 pm If Alison and Nutella were both there at once nutella would have had a substantial additional protection.

Choosing her after telling Alison I would was me getting cocky and my biggest mistake of the game.
really? that was your biggest mistake? and not "hey my dear SVS, want me to give you another day to live? ily boo "

-t
Nah, I still think I may have literally chosen the wolf kill that day.

Letting svs survive a day wasn’t a problem in the scheme of things.
*squints*
Squint away.

Or background check.

Go find a deepwolf game where I’m not clean as a whistle at lylo, without at least one if not too full busses under my belt.

I have been saying it all game. If you want to find a wolf you need to listen. I am not in my wolfrange. I have never been in my wolfrange this game.

I don’t leave big tells or connective tissue, at all. I drive the bus and I make sure my votes hit at the most clearing possible moment. I hit lylo with such an unimpeachable record no one can doubt my townie credentials.

I gave you a read of dizzy that absolutely describes why I’m on my town game.

Please… spending my time defending to you is a waste of what time I have.., I beg you, go do interactive reads. I think you will legitimately find a view that I’m wolf cannot be sustained.

i come from an era of mafia where truth-telling is either outright banned or heavily discouraged, so I ignore "I would never do x as a wolf" on principle even if it might be true

regardless, we're actively working through other worlds besides w!Golden. we're just picking your posts apart because we're assuming v!Sloonei and, tentatively, v!Dizzy (this is shaky af)

(since nobody has claimed kiwi, though, i personally am coming back around to w!dizzy)

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:08 am**

porscha has claimed a mirror role to ender yet there is no evidence at any point of mysterious abilities or one-shots being given to people except for ender's

afaik the only unexplained thing left is the double kill on urist and kate? which is an obvious wolf action lol

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:08 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:06 am
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:59 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:55 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:51 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:43 pm If Alison and Nutella were both there at once nutella would have had a substantial additional protection.

Choosing her after telling Alison I would was me getting cocky and my biggest mistake of the game.
really? that was your biggest mistake? and not "hey my dear SVS, want me to give you another day to live? ily boo "

-t
Nah, I still think I may have literally chosen the wolf kill that day.

Letting svs survive a day wasn’t a problem in the scheme of things.
*squints*
Squint away.

Or background check.

Go find a deepwolf game where I’m not clean as a whistle at lylo, without at least one if not too full busses under my belt.

I have been saying it all game. If you want to find a wolf you need to listen. I am not in my wolfrange. I have never been in my wolfrange this game.

I don’t leave big tells or connective tissue, at all. I drive the bus and I make sure my votes hit at the most clearing possible moment. I hit lylo with such an unimpeachable record no one can doubt my townie credentials.

I gave you a read of dizzy that absolutely describes why I’m on my town game.

Please… spending my time defending to you is a waste of what time I have.., I beg you, go do interactive reads. I think you will legitimately find a view that I’m wolf cannot be sustained.
i come from an era of mafia where truth-telling is either outright banned or heavily discouraged, so I ignore "I would never do x as a wolf" on principle even if it might be true

regardless, we're actively working through other worlds besides w!Golden. we're just picking your posts apart because we're assuming v!Sloonei and, tentatively, v!Dizzy (this is shaky af)

(since nobody has claimed kiwi, though, i personally am coming back around to w!dizzy)

I don’t think symmetry is a given and I don’t think we should be relying on it at lylo.

This goes for ‘there isn’t another kiwi’ as well as ‘American role power implies town’… American soup still feels believable.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:09 am**

But I do believe dizzys claim on the surface.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:10 am**

PoE pushes me to ‘Porscha had to be the solve’ tbh but I don’t want to confbias.

Rondo was the wrong kill.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:11 am**

Although to be fair the wolves couldn’t have known ender was going to die and a rondo kill might have assumed ender was there to push the elim on.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:16 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:17 pm Me read some later or tomorrow when I'm off or whatever

In the meantime, please @ me with your guesses as to what my favorite number is. Hint: its 0-100

Whoever gets it correct wins a prize

Porsche, your opening post. You’ve now claimed ‘similar to ender’

Was this joke or real? If real, who got the prize?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:43 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:28 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:11 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:51 pm @EnderWiggin sorry if I’ve already missed this but what can you tell us about why Michelle got a vest not a gun?
It's literally the explanation from yesterday but with more info.

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT MY ABILITY DOES.

The flavour makes it sound like it is unpleasant. I thought originally it was just a kill/void/something like that.

Which is why after I gave Scotty a gun I asked if he'd noticed anything. Because I didn't realise I gave guns.

After that I intentionally gave Wilgy a gun. Because I thought my vague and menacing ability was JUST GIVING GUNS.

Now I know I'm wrong lel.
Sweet.

Excluding alignment if it’s in the title, what’s the name of your role?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:00 am**

There is every possibility svs pandered to me by declaring a role name

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:03 am**

After trying to figure out porscha's role, I can now conidently declare that porscha is town. Hooray!

~sheep

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:03 am**

Btw in terms of me ‘making up a role’ I wish you’d asked about that when someone in my neighbourhood server was alive.

The name of the server is ‘inclusivity’.

Also, btw, I’d have had to come up with that name with no experience of nanook at all and Enders role title proved to be kind of a soft claim for me in its styling.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:04 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:03 am After trying to figure out porscha's role, I can now conidently declare that porscha is town. Hooray!

~sheep

Tell me more.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:07 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:04 am
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:03 am After trying to figure out porscha's role, I can now conidently declare that porscha is town. Hooray!

~sheep
Tell me more.

Step 1: Read all 11 pages of Porscha's ISO
Step 2: Profit (in townreads)

idk how toelse to explain it rn sorry
there are some posts that look kinda bad in hindsight but overall it just feels really towny

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:45 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:17 pm Also I don’t think it’s accurate to call it a redirect, in the sense that the victim is chosen at random from those in my neighbourhood. Part of why I baited Alison to vig me day 2…

Btw we still don’t have an explanation for Alison’s claimed kill, do we?

I think sig shot you or her ya lol

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:11 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:45 am
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:17 pm Also I don’t think it’s accurate to call it a redirect, in the sense that the victim is chosen at random from those in my neighbourhood. Part of why I baited Alison to vig me day 2…

Btw we still don’t have an explanation for Alison’s claimed kill, do we?
I think sig shot you or her ya lol

I meant the kill of pyxxy

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:11 am**

Nothing has come up in any time to explain an extra kill that wasn’t in Alison’s role…

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:02 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:11 am Nothing has come up in any time to explain an extra kill that wasn’t in Alison’s role…

Creature (American town) shot him

@Porscha why are there no footprints of your role and your actions? You are a power role that has essentially had no impact, and nobody has received any feedback from you, is that what you're claiming?

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:10 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:16 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:17 pm Me read some later or tomorrow when I'm off or whatever

In the meantime, please @ me with your guesses as to what my favorite number is. Hint: its 0-100

Whoever gets it correct wins a prize
Porsche, your opening post. You’ve now claimed ‘similar to ender’

Was this joke or real? If real, who got the prize?

N1: gave to mac. Dont know if he mentioned it at all day 2 ciz he made a shit load of posts and I know I didnt read all of them
N2: gave to nutella, nutella died
N3: forgot to give it to anyone
N4: gave it to ender, ender specifically claimed he didnt receive anything
N5: forgot again cuz idk who to lock town out of any of you. I should have done sloonei tho

Anyway as far as I know I have been the equivalent of an actual vanilla town this entire game but it's why I gave ender a ton of leeway on not understand exactly how his role works

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:11 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:02 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:11 am Nothing has come up in any time to explain an extra kill that wasn’t in Alison’s role…
Creature (American town) shot him

@Porscha why are there no footprints of your role and your actions? You are a power role that has essentially had no impact, and nobody has received any feedback from you, is that what you're claiming?

-t

Yep! That's exactly what I'm claiming
But you can definitely see when I was asking ender if he recieved anything

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:14 am**

There is the possibility of Ender being the night kill last night, and Rondo dying to the cyclops in DnD as he was alone

There is also the possibility that the reason the soup kill failed is because Rondo's rolecard was changed from Parity Cop to DnD member. The wolves submitting the soup would have submitted Rondo's name third, as a Parity Cop, and that would have broken the soup as he was now a DnD member. What a weird mechanic though. Soup Kill and Rolecard swap in the same game

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:15 am**

I also dont know why youd assume I should have been the obvious kill last night
Ender had a strong role
I cant think of a great reason for rondo dying tho

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:16 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:15 am I also dont know why youd assume I should have been the obvious kill last night
Ender had a strong role
I cant think of a great reason for rondo dying tho

You were the consensus town. Golden was after Ender, we started tinfoiling Ender too

Nobody was scumreading Porscha

And yes Rondo being the NK is absurd

It might be Dizzy

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:19 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:16 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:15 am I also dont know why youd assume I should have been the obvious kill last night
Ender had a strong role
I cant think of a great reason for rondo dying tho
You were the consensus town. Golden was after Ender, we started tinfoiling Ender too

Nobody was scumreading Porscha

And yes Rondo being the NK is absurd

It might be Dizzy

-t

I kind of feel like I have to go for dizzy

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:20 am**

With respect to Porscha and Golden, multiple people (maybe yourselves included) perceive your wolf range as a lot smaller than your town range

As in, you are not known for being godlike superstar unreal fabulous solo hero wolves

Dizzy is absolutely known for that. His wolf range is infinite, as in, it goes as far as his town range, imo

If Dizzy is mafia, I can't really dismantle his claim and his softs. But if anyone here is capable of fooling everyone so much, I think Dizzy is the only one capable

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:23 am**

Dizzy carried in a wolf game with me earlier this year lol like our 3rd teammate got mod killed day 1 and I was caught by day 2 and dizzy won so yeah

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:29 am**

I have game fatigue
I wish I was rondo instead so I could have higher wim

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:42 am**

Now im back to thinking its Golden

The only evidence of his role is Kate being neighbored n3 and then dying the next day. As a day action. Her and Urist

All of the mafia roles have been pretty simple, 1 line of text

Golden could simply be a 1-shot mafia neighborizer

Every other one of his footprints are on dead people and a wolf that doesnt count

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:46 am**

Porscha's claim is by far the worst which weirdly means it's ... the towniest? Is that a dangerous read to make?

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:00 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:46 am Porscha's claim is by far the worst which weirdly means it's ... the towniest? Is that a dangerous read to make?

-t

Makes sense to me :3

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:02 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:42 am Now im back to thinking its Golden

The only evidence of his role is Kate being neighbored n3 and then dying the next day. As a day action. Her and Urist

All of the mafia roles have been pretty simple, 1 line of text

Golden could simply be a 1-shot mafia neighborizer

Every other one of his footprints are on dead people and a wolf that doesnt count

-t

Yeah I'd hardcore the respect that went into this elaborate lie of it is one lol

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am**

Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:43 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc

i do tbh

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