The Syndicate

Beck wrote:Vote: MovngPictures07

am i doing this right?

Beck wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Beck, I hereby accuse you of using (trying to use) a fake random vote as a means of comfortably getting your feet into the scary cold water that is this game. I've done it before. What say you?

I say nay!

I voted for MP7 for one post in particular -- would be curios to see if you see what I see.

But let's say I did vote for MP7 to ease myself into the game, what does that make me?

(There's a right answer and a wrong answer, Jimmy.)

Beck wrote:cmon gang

let's get this political party bumpin

Beck wrote:more villagers itt rn than wolves

maybe no wolves idk

that's my "ive done no reading" read

Beck wrote:Ricochet and Jay are v/v

certainly not w/w

Beck wrote:gg Scotty

question: who on this page kept saying Scotty was a villager?

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:that nightkill is too clean.

What do you mean by "too clean"?

I overthought it, but your biggest supporter being killed is a good look for you. I have some thoughts id like to share but ill wait until I've gotten my shit sorted before I do

Sloonei wrote:I've read things. This thread is like 75% jay and rico. And in that exchange I like Jay's wall better. Or, more accurately, Rico's wall lost me pretty early. They both did, but I had more trouble following Rico's line of thought. I do not know how much of that is roleplay and how much is him just not making sense.
That said, the only alignment-indicative thing I pulled out of the exchange was Rico's apparent overreaction to MM's initial accusation, and the continued overreaction during the entire exchange. Even an honest Trump shouldn't have had to take such strong opposition to that claim. Methinks he's compensating for something, and that something is his lack of GOP-ness. Maybe. I don't necessarily want to vote for him at this point. I feel like he would be falling victim to simply being an enormous target.

Jay is a null read. There's about a 0.001% chance both of them are scum.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote: I agree with this assessment. Though I'm not sure I "like" any particular wall better than the other. I do think Rico could be building a wall of his own though... (thanks, be here all night. Remember to tip your waitress)

Why did you put a gun to your own head and scum read Quin?

Cuz I had no read of him, and figured I should.

so you arbitrarily put a scum read on him?

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote: Basically. I put those reads in as I thought of them, and after the fact realized I forgot about 4 more peeps. I can't really remember Quin's content this game, hence the scum read.

What's your beef with him?

My beef is the same as yours.

Medium rare?

Meh, ok. vote Quin

Why?

Same as you.

I mean you seemed to trust me enough there to follow along in a vote that you've got no substantial reason to believe in, despite claiming to believe in it. You've also got no substantial reason to trust me, just a minute ago you were complaining that I haven't been active enough, and now I'm here and I'm throwing this bullshit in your face, so why are you listening to me?

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I'm going to throw my vote onto the Scotty bonfire. Him and Sloonei are probably my two most suspicious people at this point, and I'm willing to give Sloonei a chance to earn my trust here. Plus I really don't like the Leetic bandwagon, so helping to derail that is a nice bonus.

So you are setting me up to be your top suspect in the event that Scotty flips town? Noted, thanks.

Sloonei wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I think INH is bad and saw an easy opportunity to spin tomorrow's lynch on me if/when Scotty flips town. Vote for him.

Yes I expect Scotty to flip town.

Sloonei wrote:I promise to actually read things and provide informed opinions on stuff at some point during this day phase.
Until then Jay is bad and I can't back that claim up.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Golden, who are your top 3 suspects?

Quin
Mp (rey or wilgy?)
Beck

Golden wrote:OK. A lot of what I find suspicious in inh is completely replicated there, even to the extent that he is telling Matt that his methods are 'downright harmful to the town'.

*sigh* - I mean, it's disappointing. INH was disappointed in me, now I'm disappointed in him. I don't understand why he is spending so much effort on attacking my game style (something that is almost always completely irrelevant to alignment from any player), but perhaps this is something he legitimately finds suspicious.

I think I need to read INH back. I see why you are at rey and wilgy, Jay.

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Those of you associating S~V~S with Hillary just for being a woman are no better than those bleeding heart liberals who only support Hillary because she's a woman.

Makes the most sense to me, what other explanation can there be? I mean, if someone else drew Hillary, I would have expected that player to concede by now or ask for a replacement. I mean, who would want to be Hillary?

Boomslang wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:For me, the trouble with leetic's accusation of me is less that it's confusing -- townies are confusing sometimes. It's more that it came on the heels of Epignosis stating his suspicion of me. The opportunism is almost blatant. I see this progression:

1. Townie getting pressured by someone else, perhaps another townie (me and Epi respectively).
2. Baddie takes opportunity to promote that negative climate for the accused by throwing shade -- making up whatever he has to make up.

I say "perhaps another townie" in #1 because it strikes me as more likely that a baddie would be capitalizing on a townie being wrong than openly jumping on a bandwagon generated by his partner. For this reason I think leetic and Epignosis would make unlikely team mates if either of them is bad.

I agree with that read of unlikely partnership. And six posts (roughly three hours) between Epi's and leetic's posts can be seen as opportunistic. Interestingly, leetic also pressured MM to clarify his reasons for an Epi vote in his very next post. I doubt a baddie teammate would show two bits of positive association back to back, especially on Day 1.

Golden wrote:I thought what Sloonei did would be fun too.

I randomised who my first vote would be. Epignosis, apparently.

Fine with me, though, because I find him coming off worst in the Jay/Rico exchange.

Golden wrote:Oh goodie. Feel much better about my vote (and what my gut was saying) now.

Quin goes right back on the table, for one. Quin, were you actually doubting sloonei? For me, sloonei is townie number one and was even with scotty's town flip.

In fact, I'm feeling a bit 'mafia championship' about this, and I'm saying that at this point sloonei, Jay and epi are not in my PoE. Don't ask me what PoE stands for, I never figured that out. Rico probably isn't either.

I need to look back on that End of Day, but I see no reason based on recollection to rule inh or leetic out, despite scotty being bad. So, my PoE at the moment is:

Beck, Boomslang, Wilgy, inh, leetic, MM, MP, Quin, SVS, maybe rico (need to revisit).

Golden wrote:Wait for tomorrow...

"No, lets not lynch the confirmed baddie Quin. Lets lynch epignosis, he was wrong about Jay"

Golden wrote:I'll knock epi down a peg to neutral for doing exactly what inh did.

The narrative is 'golden was wrong last time, so he shouldn't be listened to this time'.

It's a bullshit narrative, and epi and inh both know that full well.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Lynch 3J next. He tried his damnedest to save Scotty, INH gets it, and you are trying to discredit him. Why?

Looked at Jay's defence of inh, I think inh is town. So I've moved on.

You still seem to think 'he tried his damndest to save scotty' is a good reason to read him as bad, even though I pointed out its very rare and not a very good indicator. Your response to that was simply 'that's why it's a good tactic'.

So essentially, you think Jay is bad because you agree with me that its rare that baddies do what he does but you think thats why it would be a good tactic for Jay to do it.

Your case is shit, its myopic, and you actually aren't trying to solve the game.

Chances of you being bad are at this point much higher than chances that inh is bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll throw together a quick reads list. I haven't done it this style in a while, it'll be nostalgic.

T^M = town side of the mean
S^M = scum side of the mean

Beck -- T^M -- I appreciate his quick-fire posting style, and he seemed to be playing loosely. I haven't taken issue with what he's put in the thread yet. If there's any problem, it's that the combination of his newness and his energy can be disarming. That's rather tinfoil though.

Boomslang -- T^M -- For the moment, I think he has mindmelded with me on the matter of leetic. I am a bit wary that he might be the real opportunist in this scenario (capitalizing against leetic instead of leetic capitalizing against me), but I do get the impression he arrived at some of his perspective independent of my commentary.

DrWilgy -- S^M -- I'm not inclined to reward total non-involvement with a positive read. I have no inspiring basis for a scum read either though.

Epignosis -- S^M -- I am not alarmed by his more docile approach so far, given what happened in Triskaidekaphobia (he and I devoured an entire day phase in a futile town/town death match). I'd still like to know what I have posted that he feels lacks a genuine eagerness or otherwise presents a false eagerness. Without an answer to that query I am still unable to feel better about his early move against me.

Golden -- T^M -- There's a slight twitch in the back of my mind about him, I think perhaps given the degree to which we've been on the same page regarding Ricochet and Epignosis. However, on the latter player his voice was first not mine. I won't succumb to tinfoil on this read right now.

insertnamehere -- T^M -- While his approach to this game so far has frustrated me, it has largely mirrored what was seen in Battlestar Galactica and Triskaidekaphobia when he was town. Reminder to self: look into his play in The Office when he was bad for potential differences.

leetic -- S^M -- I've covered it already. Opportunism in the form of a bizarre accusation against me that didn't seem applicable to the post he attached it to.

Metalmarsh89 -- T^M -- He said earlier that he wants to perform better in this game after laying an egg in his previous game. I find that believable and I think his play so far is indicative of that. I appreciate the looseness with which he has played.

MovingPictures07 -- T^M -- This is probably my most tentative town read. I won't give him brownie points for being unavailable; however, I do think he'd probably be making a bit more of an effort to look the part here if he was bad. He'd be forcing reads into the thread or pretending to generate discussion or something.

Quin -- T^M -- I think his handling of the Sloonei/Scotty dialogue looked good, and I liked his explanation of the one question I had for him earlier.

Ricochet -- S^M -- The thing most giving me pause about Ricochet as a baddie read is the level of effort he is playing with, but I have to remind myself that there's very little likelihood that a baddie Ricochet would play any other way. I have already voiced my concerns.

S~V~S -- T^M -- Unlike DrWilgy, we have a valid excuse for her lack of involvement so far. I'll play the odds.

Scotty -- T^M -- I want to believe him when he says he is trying something new this Day 1. I'd be disappointed if that turned out to be smoke and mirrors. I haven't found his content suspicious at face value. I do think Sloonei put him in a position of pressure and I'll continue to follow that dialogue, but for the moment I am not inclined to vote there.

Sloonei -- T^M -- I like his tactic for interrogating Scotty, it strikes me as an organic and spontaneously generated method that can yield productive conversation. He's been a bit restrictive in his dealings with Quin, but I am inclined to attribute that to his desire to be thorough and not let up as opposed to any nefarious tunneling.

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:Quin, I think it was you who said it was suspicious if I change up my day 1 strategies from my norm. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I don't like giving tone reads on day 1, because I'm generally bad at them, but I figured practice makes perfect. It in this case, practice makes me get lynched day 1. So...cumquats.

This is what I was afraid of. I am inclined to believe Scotty that he wanted to mix up his Day 1 methods after getting crap for it frequently in recent memory. Scotty: if you're town and this doesn't end in your favor, I'd still encourage you to keep trying in future games. At least then people won't be able to say it's atypical.

I'd prefer we don't lynch Scotty.

It's fine. It never hurts in the long run to keep changing strategies. My day 1 low poster thing evolved from getting too involved in day 1 and often getting either mislynched day 1 or nightkilled that night, plus possibly getting a baddie, so I'm not completely averse to trying new things.

Either way, I hope you guys at least learn a few things from my lynch here

Boomslang wrote:I think what he means is... actually, I've spent five minutes looking at this and can't figure it out. Leetic claims JJJ won't do something, but the post he's criticizing doesn't have JJJ claiming an action. And we haven't gotten any clarification on it. Adding a vote to leetic for the moment for extra pressure.

I do think inh rushing to leetic's defense is a bit suspicious. Leetic's post may be hamfisted shade, but it was a clear attempt at shade.

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Not liking that Marmot vote. I am full throttle on this INH thing. Lynch him tomorrow or else.

Just throw a kid in INH's pit. That'll do the job.

Golden wrote:It's easy for me to say after seeing scotty's lynch, but I do believe if I were around for EoD I would have switched to inh. But, y'know - wifom.

It's just one of those things about having to vote 7 or 8 hours before the deadline. Sorry Scotty.

Golden wrote:Oh goodie. Feel much better about my vote (and what my gut was saying) now.

Quin goes right back on the table, for one. Quin, were you actually doubting sloonei? For me, sloonei is townie number one and was even with scotty's town flip.

In fact, I'm feeling a bit 'mafia championship' about this, and I'm saying that at this point sloonei, Jay and epi are not in my PoE. Don't ask me what PoE stands for, I never figured that out. Rico probably isn't either.

I need to look back on that End of Day, but I see no reason based on recollection to rule inh or leetic out, despite scotty being bad. So, my PoE at the moment is:

Beck, Boomslang, Wilgy, inh, leetic, MM, MP, Quin, SVS, maybe rico (need to revisit).

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My initial thoughts of the Scotty votes:

They all look better than before. Golden had no obligation to participate in the anti-Scotty thread climate given his more limited availability, but he did it anyway. If he was bad I am not sure he'd show the same enthusiasm and initiative. Epignosis had every opportunity to move his at EOD and he did not. leetic's utter failure to say a word when he placed his self-preservation vote (SPV) might actually make it better than the average SPV. If he is offing his own team mate in the process, I figure he would say something to try to cash in on some of the associated town credit. INH's vote was numerically important, as it put Scotty in the lead. MM's vote was essentially a hammer vote.

Not entirely true. For what it's worth, Epignosis wasn't really around at the EoD.

Also, INH's vote is hardly numerically important when he was the countervote, especially if the baddies expected Scotty to appear town. No reason for me to see that particular vote as making him look better.

I disagree with you on epi, though. Epi is town.

Golden wrote:I'd say its quin

And one of beck/MP/SVS

I don't think it's naive to think there are no baddies on the inh wagon. There were only two baddies not named scotty. Scotty didn't jump on the inh wagon, scotty came back civ initially, I think there was no intent to endeavour to save him.

I think Quin voted sloonei because it was very intentional for quin to then push sloonei after scotty came back town.

I think this game really is the easy mode it appears to be.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:3J I'll respond to that after my lynch analysis.

Spoiler: marmot looks bad. How do you feel about him?

I could see marmot being bad. Especially if INH is bad, because it makes sense marmot would look to push scotty over the edge if he is a seemer, rather than lose inh, when the pair of them were fighting on day 1.

I really find inh shifty. Yesterday he called my case on you good, but basically absolved himself from it just based on me being arrogant. I don't like when people use ad hominem in place of detective work. I'm going to take whatever tone I like if I think it might be effective, and actually even while I left my vote on Quin I thought the best point in his favour was his reasoning for giving me a town read.

He also literally ignored posts endeavouring to get him to put in rational thought while accusing others of trying to stop rational thought.

Golden wrote:OK. A lot of what I find suspicious in inh is completely replicated there, even to the extent that he is telling Matt that his methods are 'downright harmful to the town'.

*sigh* - I mean, it's disappointing. INH was disappointed in me, now I'm disappointed in him. I don't understand why he is spending so much effort on attacking my game style (something that is almost always completely irrelevant to alignment from any player), but perhaps this is something he legitimately finds suspicious.

I think I need to read INH back. I see why you are at rey and wilgy, Jay.

Golden wrote:I just realised I need to final vote now, because I won't wake up before the lynch.

That made me briefly consider moving to leetic, but I think back to many day ones recently where I've voted for someone who ends up getting lynched for, essentially, phoning it in a little in a way that makes them look bad, and they keep being town. It makes me hesitate from doing a reactive vote on to someone I don't have a genuine read on.

Scotty isn't phoning it in... it felt like sloonei genuinely caught him in something.

So, I'll keep my vote on scotty and revisit leetic tomorrow.

Golden wrote:More specifically, is this quote from scotty, taken together with MM's vote, able to be seen as indicating that there probably isn't a teammate relationship?

I tend to think MM comes out looking pretty good, interested in opinions.

Scotty wrote:Epi, I answered your question. MM said you were a suspect, and he stuck to it. As for his reasoning, yeah, it's weak, but at least he's making an accusation. That's why I view him as more civ than usual.

Golden wrote:I'd say its quin

And one of beck/MP/SVS

I don't think it's naive to think there are no baddies on the inh wagon. There were only two baddies not named scotty. Scotty didn't jump on the inh wagon, scotty came back civ initially, I think there was no intent to endeavour to save him.

I think Quin voted sloonei because it was very intentional for quin to then push sloonei after scotty came back town.

I think this game really is the easy mode it appears to be.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Golden, who are your top 3 suspects?

Quin
Mp (rey or wilgy?)
Beck

Golden wrote:Here is logic for you. If you know the last scum is one of three people, and you have three lynches up your sleeve, it matters not what order you lynch them in. If Quin wasn't lynched yesterday, he was going to be lynched today, or tomorrow. He was going to flip the same role no matter when he flipped. Lynching Quin was not a mistake, it was a necessity. It would have been better if he was bad, but already he is making becks spot look a whole lot better.

Ricochet wrote:

Beck wrote:oh so it's D0? that's lame

i don't wanna talk to any of you guys i just wanna vote for you!

I like this guy. Less talking, more voting, come Day 1.

This guy is a Trump voter and will help make America great again. Strong town. Good!

I'm Rick O'Shay and I approve this read.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Golden, who are your top 3 suspects?

Quin
Mp (rey or wilgy?)
Beck

Golden wrote:OK. A lot of what I find suspicious in inh is completely replicated there, even to the extent that he is telling Matt that his methods are 'downright harmful to the town'.

*sigh* - I mean, it's disappointing. INH was disappointed in me, now I'm disappointed in him. I don't understand why he is spending so much effort on attacking my game style (something that is almost always completely irrelevant to alignment from any player), but perhaps this is something he legitimately finds suspicious.

I think I need to read INH back. I see why you are at rey and wilgy, Jay.