A Mafia of Unfortunate Events [END GAME]

#1301

Epignosis wrote:I still think INH is good here. We disagree.

for a disagreement, there needs to be two people with opposing viewpoints engaging in some form of discourse.

this is just me yelling at a wall.

#1302

insertnamehere wrote:I'd extend the same query to Sig and Soneji

I already gave my thoughts on LC. spirityo is voting for self preservation, which doesn't indicate much to me.

#1303

But hey, I'm not who you need to convince. Wilgy is the one abstainer who seems to want to vote here.

Spirityo, the reasons why you should vote LC are obvious. I'm not gonna belittle you by going over them.

Wilgy, does what Epi just pulled make you feel better or worse about LC?

What about spirityo?

What would you do in his position?

#1304

Soneji wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I'd extend the same query to Sig and Soneji
I already gave my thoughts on LC. spirityo is voting for self preservation, which doesn't indicate much to me.

Spirityo has yet to vote in the poll.

#1305

#1306

whoopsie, didn't see that

#1307

this is now Wilgy's World, and we're all living in it.

#1308

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I still think INH is good here. We disagree.
for a disagreement, there needs to be two people with opposing viewpoints engaging in some form of discourse.

this is just me yelling at a wall.

Then I expect you to vote me next after you're done with LC.

#1309

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I still think INH is good here. We disagree.
for a disagreement, there needs to be two people with opposing viewpoints engaging in some form of discourse.

this is just me yelling at a wall.
Then I expect you to vote me next after you're done with LC.

i dunno.

talk to me D3. I'm not making any promises.

#1310

insertnamehere wrote:yo, spacedaisy. I see you browsing this thread.

What are your thoughts on how things are developing?

insertnamehere wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I'd extend the same query to Sig and Soneji
hell, throw JoH in there too, I'm feeling generous

Gee thanks.

No surprises with Epi and Spirityo's votes.

#1311

Glorfindel wrote:I acknowledge this is a rather extraordinary thing to do but this Star Wars game was my very first game here at The Syndicate and my actions in this game have (by some players) been misinterpreted and manipulated to the detriment of performance in games I've played since. I feel it is important then that I be given the opportunity to address this matter so that players in this game understand my side of this story and can make an informed decision on my historical actions.

It has been alleged that I left this game as a direct consequence of my (Mafia) alignment. I reject this assertion totally. I withdrew from this game at the beginning of Day 6 and other than voting for MacDougall, did not post at all from the beginning of that Day phase. What wasn't apparent to the general player population was that I had received a PM from our game Host at the end of Night 5 to the effect:

Epignosis wrote:You have been spit on and afflicted by madness by crumb. You may not mention the madness and you must vote for Mac for the duration of tomorrow. You may also not mention or quote any player that isn't mac or you will die.
At the time of my departure from this game, I was under heavy suspicion from a number of players and together with the responsibility I felt to my team in that game and other external, non-game related matters, I felt (at the time) that this direction placed me in an intolerable position where I could no longer adequately defend myself and I departed from the game immediately after fulfilling the requirements of that Host direction. I accept that my actions in that regard were wrong, it was immature and that it was not responsible. Under the circumstances that prevailed at that time however, fueled by intense frustration, I felt as though I had little option than to do what I did. The TRUTH of this matter IS that I was motivated by frustration and would (regrettably) very likely have left the game at that point IRRESPECTIVE OF MY ALIGNMENT.

Looking back I do regret my actions on that occasion (as described above) and I trust anyone who reads this will not judge me harshly for them.

posted by Glorf earlier today in a separate thread.

feels relevant.

#1312

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds

At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).

#1313

If I haven't totally convinced you that LC is bad, Wilgy, that's fine.

I just don't anyone can read the above post and go with sig's theory that Glorf replaced out due to him being mafia.

I mean, come on.

#1314

DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).

Vote either of us then.

#1315

insertnamehere wrote:If I haven't totally convinced you that LC is bad, Wilgy, that's fine.

I just don't see how anyone can read the quote from Glorf earlier today and go with sig's theory that Glorf replaced out due to him being mafia.

I mean, come on.

EBWOP

#1316

DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).

Wilgy, I have been nothing but sincere. I am not a baddie, and despite INH's interpretation of my play as baddie-indicative, it is not.

I'd appreciate if you didn't vote for me.

#1317

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).
Vote either of us then.

In a world where votes were changeable, and everyone was around at EoD, who would you want to be lynched today?

#1318

insertnamehere wrote:If I haven't totally convinced you that LC is bad, Wilgy, that's fine.

I just don't anyone can read the above post and go with sig's theory that Glorf replaced out due to him being mafia.

I mean, come on.

It just sucks that you won't consider the angle where LC is good.

Before you complain, that has nothing to do with me giving you reasons why LC is good. That has to to do with you taking a critical step back.

#1319

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).
Vote either of us then.
In a world where votes were changeable, and everyone was around at EoD, who would you want to be lynched today?

I voted for him.

#1320

Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:If I haven't totally convinced you that LC is bad, Wilgy, that's fine.

I just don't anyone can read the above post and go with sig's theory that Glorf replaced out due to him being mafia.

I mean, come on.
It just sucks that you won't consider the angle where LC is good.

Before you complain, that has nothing to do with me giving you reasons why LC is good. That has to to do with you taking a critical step back.

I did consider the angle where LC is good. I just thought it was smaller than all the angles of everyone else who had votes.

#1321

wait a sec

Epi and LC are VFD.

that's a really likely possibility.

#1322

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).
Wilgy, I have been nothing but sincere. I am not a baddie, and despite INH's interpretation of my play as baddie-indicative, it is not.

I'd appreciate if you didn't vote for me.

I wish I had more time LC.

At this moment I have no inclination to vote for him and even less to save you.

#1323

Welp.

Better a LMS indie than a civilian, which is what I believe spirityo and DDL to be.

#1324

DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).
Wilgy, I have been nothing but sincere. I am not a baddie, and despite INH's interpretation of my play as baddie-indicative, it is not.

I'd appreciate if you didn't vote for me.
I wish I had more time LC.

At this moment I have no inclination to vote for him and even less to save you.

Then give me a fighting chance at a tie and vote elsewhere.

#1325

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).
Wilgy, I have been nothing but sincere. I am not a baddie, and despite INH's interpretation of my play as baddie-indicative, it is not.

I'd appreciate if you didn't vote for me.
I wish I had more time LC.

At this moment I have no inclination to vote for him and even less to save you.
Then give me a fighting chance at a tie and vote elsewhere.

I'd like to vote Epi anyhow. I'm game for letting a coin decide.

#1326

DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).
Wilgy, I have been nothing but sincere. I am not a baddie, and despite INH's interpretation of my play as baddie-indicative, it is not.

I'd appreciate if you didn't vote for me.
I wish I had more time LC.

At this moment I have no inclination to vote for him and even less to save you.
Then give me a fighting chance at a tie and vote elsewhere.
I'd like to vote Epi anyhow. I'm game for letting a coin decide.

That's very cool of you. So you think Epi is a baddie?

#1327

I just fail to see why someone would think spirityo is scum, given that the "glorf replaced out because he was mafia" theory is disproven.

#1328

insertnamehere wrote:I just fail to see why someone would think spirityo is scum, given that the "glorf replaced out because he was mafia" theory is disproven.

Well, you only disproved it, like, 15 minutes ago (and I haven't read it yet

)... and does your "disproval" also contain any reason to think he is town? I imagine it, at best, leaves it at neutral... and a read of Glorf for other reasons.

#1329

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy, do you have any ideas on who you'd vote?

linki: yeah, but if we yknow, agree to help eachother out then there wont be a chance of either me or LC getting lynched. as crappy as that sounds
At the rate things are going I'd think my fave votes are Epi or LC.

Just kinda trust INH this time (which is abnormal).
Wilgy, I have been nothing but sincere. I am not a baddie, and despite INH's interpretation of my play as baddie-indicative, it is not.

I'd appreciate if you didn't vote for me.
I wish I had more time LC.

At this moment I have no inclination to vote for him and even less to save you.
Then give me a fighting chance at a tie and vote elsewhere.
I'd like to vote Epi anyhow. I'm game for letting a coin decide.
That's very cool of you. So you think Epi is a baddie?

I'm pretty sure I said that I did earlier.

#1330

Also, sprityo has already posted a Public Service Announcement about how to spell his name: S - P - R - I - T - Y - O, but you said "spirityo" in your last two posts. An easy mistake, but it is one he's asked us to stop making.

#1331

Long Con wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I just fail to see why someone would think spirityo is scum, given that the "glorf replaced out because he was mafia" theory is disproven.
Well, you only disproved it, like, 15 minutes ago (and I haven't read it yet )... and does your "disproval" also contain any reason to think he is town? I imagine it, at best, leaves it at neutral... and a read of Glorf for other reasons.

The only reason people thought Glorfindel/sprityo 2.0 were scummy is because of the circumstances where Glorfindel replaced out of another game as a scum member.

The post that you don't want to read is Glorfindel stating that he would never replace out of a game due to his alignment contrary to what others think. He posted this earlier today. It's hard not to see proof there.

#1332

I'll admit Christmas has me well behind, but I don't like either sprit or LC as lynch choices.

#1333

You mean this:

DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:No. I'm not offering you anything more. I think LC is good. Find your own damn reasons and make up your own minds.
I'm not asking who's good. Thank you for giving me a decent reason to think you are bad though.

My apologies, it wasn't SUPER-memorable, I might have written it off as snarky response or something.

#1334

insertnamehere wrote:
Long Con wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I just fail to see why someone would think spirityo is scum, given that the "glorf replaced out because he was mafia" theory is disproven.
Well, you only disproved it, like, 15 minutes ago (and I haven't read it yet )... and does your "disproval" also contain any reason to think he is town? I imagine it, at best, leaves it at neutral... and a read of Glorf for other reasons.
The only reason people thought Glorfindel/sprityo 2.0 were scummy is because of the circumstances where Glorfindel replaced out of another game as a scum member.

The post that you don't want to read is Glorfindel stating that he would never replace out of a game due to his alignment contrary to what others think. He posted this earlier today. It's hard not to see proof there.

If this were court, that would have to be stricken from the record.

I assumed you were referencing something from before this game started. He said this today? That's something that is very relevant to current goings-on in this game.

#1335

Golden wrote:I'll admit Christmas has me well behind, but I don't like either sprit or LC as lynch choices.

Hi Golden. How about DDL? One of my non-DDL's-accusation-of-me-related reasons for suspecting DDL is that he was buddying you. I figure since you are you, it was something relevant to mention.

#1336

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 67#p321467

I don't think Glorfindel would want someone getting lynched just because of how he chose to leave the game.

Frankly, I don't think it's a very fair situation for sprityo. Especially after him getting mislynched D1.

#1337

Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:I'll admit Christmas has me well behind, but I don't like either sprit or LC as lynch choices.
Hi Golden. How about DDL? One of my non-DDL's-accusation-of-me-related reasons for suspecting DDL is that he was buddying you. I figure since you are you, it was something relevant to mention.

I have seen that DDL has made a return, but not his content. I'd want to judge it first. I did not like DDL's handling of Snow Dog in the early game, I think it's worse than anything you or glorfindel did.

Is there any reason for suspecting sprit that pertains to his own behaviour and not glorf?

#1338

.omi fi gib ytterp a si taht tuB .ipE dna CL naht CL dna oytirps eb ot ylekil erom ti dnif I oiranecs siht ni seiddab era elpoep owt fI :etonediS

mucs thgils CL
mucs etaredom MM
vic etaredom ipE
vic gnorts HNI
vic gnorts ygliW

:mta sdaer HTG

.dlihc dettiwmid a ekil detaert eb ot tsuj uoy htiw gnigagne enod m'I .revetahw os ,uoy pots t'now taht wonk I tuB .yaw siht yalp uoy nehw su ot sselesu er'uoy ,era uoy teb dluow I hcihw ,vic era uoy fi oS .lla ta svic eht depleh ton sah noitautis siht ni evah uoy yaw eht tca ot eciohc ruoy wonk lla ew esuaceb tihs a evig lliw eno on dnA .yawyna eb lliw uoy tub ,gums eb ot thgir yna teg t'nod uoy taht thgir si HNI .esutbo gnieb ekil tsuj uoy kniht I ,elor ofni fo dnik yna evah uoy taht feileb orez evah I dnA .maet a sa ,seiddab eht tuo etuor nac yeht taht os sesac rieht sserpxe dna sthguoht erahs ,esrevnoc ot deen sviC ?taht wonk uoy ,emag siht yalp uoy nehw ssa na era uoY :ipE @

.uoy tsniaga esac sih ni llet eiddab gib emos dnuof evah uoy tbuod I .eurt ylbaborp si )ton tahw ro ,noitnetta hguone esolc gniyap t'nsaw eh( snoitcejbo ruoy ot esnopser ni uoy ot snoitanalpxe s'LDD taht ylekil erom hcum s'tI .seiddab eht ot tifeneb ssel raf sreffo dna reiksir yaw si pu tihs gnikaM .pu tihs gnikam naht rehtar seiddab rof gnihcraes ylevitca eb ot esnes erom tol a ekam dluow ti ,aifam si eh fi taht si ytilaer eht tuB .dab kool uoy ekam dna uoy tuoba eil ot gniyrt yllanoitnetni wohemos si eh taht esac eguh siht ekam uoY .LDD ot seilppa gniht emaS :CL @

.smaet eiddab gnisoppo owt htiw pu tes a ni gniht fo dnik taht od ot aifam eht ot tifeneb on si ereht esuaceb ,suounegnisid gnieb era ipE ro CL rehtie tbuod I .seiddab rehto eht rof gnitnuh eb lliw smaet htoB .smaet eiddab owt era ereht ,emag siht ni sdaer etacirbaf ot sdeen eno oN .hguorht thguoht ylraelc neeb ton evah etov dna noitisop s'ipE fo noitaziretcarahc ruoy ,yllanoitiddA .esac eht saw siht ekil leef ton did I ylsuoiverP .CL vic a morf tcepxe dluow I sesnopser fo dnik eht htiw enil ni erom mees uoy ot sesnopser sih tub ,ereht mih fo noicipsus llits si erehT .ylthgils ,worg nwot gnieb CL ni feileb ym dnuof evah I .ygliW no dah evah yeht sa em no tceffe esrever eht dah evah CL htiw snoitcaretni ruoy kniht I :HNI @

#1339

Golden wrote:Is there any reason for suspecting sprit that pertains to his own behaviour and not glorf?

none that I'm aware of.

#1340

Spacedaisy wrote:.omi fi gib ytterp a si taht tuB .ipE dna CL naht CL dna oytirps eb ot ylekil erom ti dnif I oiranecs siht ni seiddab era elpoep owt fI :etonediS

mucs thgils CL
mucs etaredom MM
vic etaredom ipE
vic gnorts HNI
vic gnorts ygliW

:mta sdaer HTG

.dlihc dettiwmid a ekil detaert eb ot tsuj uoy htiw gnigagne enod m'I .revetahw os ,uoy pots t'now taht wonk I tuB .yaw siht yalp uoy nehw su ot sselesu er'uoy ,era uoy teb dluow I hcihw ,vic era uoy fi oS .lla ta svic eht depleh ton sah noitautis siht ni evah uoy yaw eht tca ot eciohc ruoy wonk lla ew esuaceb tihs a evig lliw eno on dnA .yawyna eb lliw uoy tub ,gums eb ot thgir yna teg t'nod uoy taht thgir si HNI .esutbo gnieb ekil tsuj uoy kniht I ,elor ofni fo dnik yna evah uoy taht feileb orez evah I dnA .maet a sa ,seiddab eht tuo etuor nac yeht taht os sesac rieht sserpxe dna sthguoht erahs ,esrevnoc ot deen sviC ?taht wonk uoy ,emag siht yalp uoy nehw ssa na era uoY :ipE @

.uoy tsniaga esac sih ni llet eiddab gib emos dnuof evah uoy tbuod I .eurt ylbaborp si )ton tahw ro ,noitnetta hguone esolc gniyap t'nsaw eh( snoitcejbo ruoy ot esnopser ni uoy ot snoitanalpxe s'LDD taht ylekil erom hcum s'tI .seiddab eht ot tifeneb ssel raf sreffo dna reiksir yaw si pu tihs gnikaM .pu tihs gnikam naht rehtar seiddab rof gnihcraes ylevitca eb ot esnes erom tol a ekam dluow ti ,aifam si eh fi taht si ytilaer eht tuB .dab kool uoy ekam dna uoy tuoba eil ot gniyrt yllanoitnetni wohemos si eh taht esac eguh siht ekam uoY .LDD ot seilppa gniht emaS :CL @

.smaet eiddab gnisoppo owt htiw pu tes a ni gniht fo dnik taht od ot aifam eht ot tifeneb on si ereht esuaceb ,suounegnisid gnieb era ipE ro CL rehtie tbuod I .seiddab rehto eht rof gnitnuh eb lliw smaet htoB .smaet eiddab owt era ereht ,emag siht ni sdaer etacirbaf ot sdeen eno oN .hguorht thguoht ylraelc neeb ton evah etov dna noitisop s'ipE fo noitaziretcarahc ruoy ,yllanoitiddA .esac eht saw siht ekil leef ton did I ylsuoiverP .CL vic a morf tcepxe dluow I sesnopser fo dnik eht htiw enil ni erom mees uoy ot sesnopser sih tub ,ereht mih fo noicipsus llits si erehT .ylthgils ,worg nwot gnieb CL ni feileb ym dnuof evah I .ygliW no dah evah yeht sa em no tceffe esrever eht dah evah CL htiw snoitcaretni ruoy kniht I :HNI @

@ INH: I think your interactions with LC have had the reverse effect on me as they have had on Wilgy. I have found my belief in LC being town grow, slightly. There is still suspicion of him there, but his responses to you seem more in line with the kind of responses I would expect from a civ LC. Previously I did not feel like this was the case. Additionally, your characterization of Epi's position and vote have not been clearly thought through. No one needs to fabricate reads in this game, there are two baddie teams. Both teams will be hunting for the other baddies. I doubt either LC or Epi are being disingenuous, because there is no benefit to the mafia to do that kind of thing in a set up with two opposing baddie teams.

@ LC: Same thing applies to DDL. You make this huge case that he is somehow intentionally trying to lie about you and make you look bad. But the reality is that if he is mafia, it would make a lot more sense to be actively searching for baddies rather than making shit up. Making shit up is way riskier and offers far less benefit to the baddies. It's much more likely that DDL's explanations to you in response to your objections (he wasn't paying close enough attention, or what not) is probably true. I doubt you have found some big baddie tell in his case against you.

@ Epi: You are an ass when you play this game, you know that? Civs need to converse, share thoughts and express their cases so that they can route out the baddies, as a team. And I have zero belief that you have any kind of info role, I think you just like being obtuse. INH is right that you don't get any right to be smug, but you will be anyway. And no one will give a shit because we all know your choice to act the way you have in this situation has not helped the civs at all. So if you are civ, which I would bet you are, you're useless to us when you play this way. But I know that won't stop you, so whatever. I'm done engaging with you just to be treated like a dimwitted child.

GTH reads atm:

Wilgy strong civ
INH strong civ
Epi moderate civ
MM moderate scum
LC slight scum

Sidenote: If two people are baddies in this scenario I find it more likely to be sprityo and LC than LC and Epi. But that is a pretty big if imo.

#1341

Daisy raises a good point, and this makes me feel better letting it go to coin flip.

Let fate decide, voted Epi tho.

#1342

i'm honestly gonna feel bad if sprityo is lynched and flips civ.

#1343

insertnamehere wrote:Frankly, I don't think it's a very fair situation for sprityo. Especially after him getting mislynched D1.

insertnamehere wrote:
Golden wrote:Is there any reason for suspecting sprit that pertains to his own behaviour and not glorf?
none that I'm aware of.

Agreed on both counts.

#1344

insertnamehere wrote:i'm honestly gonna feel bad if sprityo is lynched and flips civ.

You would.

#1345

Daisy, what is your read on sprityo? You left him out of your assessment.

#1346

DrWilgy wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:i'm honestly gonna feel bad if sprityo is lynched and flips civ.
You would.

#1347

I don't think there is any solid reason to believe sprityo 2.0 is Civ... I just agree that the Glorf replace shouldn't make you think he's bad.

I could see a situation where rejection of sig's meta-case could turn into Civ cred for sprityo 2.0, and I don't think that would be wise.

#1348

insertnamehere wrote:wait a sec

Epi and LC are VFD.

that's a really likely possibility.

Vanilla...facing....dragons?

#1349

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#1350

DFaraday wrote:INDEPENDENT (4)

THE VILLAGE OF FOWL DEVOTEES (2) – The Village of Fowl Devotees are a reclusive, authoritarian society with a strict code of laws. However, they are not actively malicious. They will win by surviving to the end. Each night the VFD has a block and a protect to use between them.

Mrs. Morrow

Mr. Lesko

Who needs to practice their stabbing?