The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:44 pm**

"Consider: If he's mafia, then he knows I'm not bad, so what's his exit strategy should he prove successful?"

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:45 pm**

DFaraday wrote:
Epignosis wrote: I have wanted to string llama up for the way he's been characterizing people and acting like Day 0 stuff is more important than Day 3 stuff.
Why does that make him bad though?

It doesn't. Only the role G-Man gave him makes him bad.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:31 pm**

SUDDENLY I SEE

(WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 25, 2017)

BRIAN KILMEADE: Good morning everybody. It is Wednesday, January 25th. The hits just keep on coming for Hillary Clinton. Fox News has confirmed that longtime Clinton ally Cheryl Mills has resigned from her position as White House Chief of Staff as of early this morning. Rumors of her potential departure began to swirl as early as Sunday.

STEVE DOOCY: And who can really blame her? The Clinton Administration has been a mess and it hasn't even been a full week yet. Between this mysterious Operation Cobalt challenging the legitimacy of the election, her Vice President exceeding his authority at best, sexual impropriety by her husband, the Podesta emails, and now dissent and turmoil amidst her White House staff, she hasn't even been able to get to work on any policy issues.

AINSLEY EARHARDT: This has even some Democratic lawmakers concerned already as to how these controversies and stumbles may impact her ability to get anything done with a Republican-majority Congress.

BRIAN KILMEADE: And when you consider that there wasn't much goodwill left for Congress to extend to begin with, you have to wonder if all of the Clinton political capital of old has lust it's luster.

STEVE DOOCY: Or maybe it was just Fool's Gold to begin with.

AINSLEY EARHARDT: Whatever the reasons for Cheryl Mills' departure, her nearly silent exit speaks volumes.

BRIAN KILMEADE: In other news, the White House announced this morning that it has terminated the controversial voting experiment enacted by a recent executive order. When asked for more details...

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TheFloyd73 has quit the Clinton Administration. He was...

Spoiler: show

It is now Day 5.

You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:41 pm**

What a scandal

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:53 pm**

Epignosis wrote:"Consider: If he's mafia, then he knows I'm not bad, so what's his exit strategy should he prove successful?"

Assuming you are civ, his exit strategy would be the same as that of anyone who leads a lynch on a civ. "Oops, I was wrong. I feel stupid." As someone who routinely leads mislynches in games, I find that I don't often get lynched in return for it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:06 pm**

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:"Consider: If he's mafia, then he knows I'm not bad, so what's his exit strategy should he prove successful?"
Assuming you are civ, his exit strategy would be the same as that of anyone who leads a lynch on a civ. "Oops, I was wrong. I feel stupid." As someone who routinely leads mislynches in games, I find that I don't often get lynched in return for it.

I said I wasn't going to defend him Day 5, so I'm holding to that.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:13 pm**

If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:29 pm**

Alas, I have been killed.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:34 pm**

I am gonna just go by the assumption Epi is civ tbh. If he is bad good on him.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:38 pm**

MacDougall wrote:I am gonna just go by the assumption Epi is civ tbh. If he is bad good on him.

I appreciate that, but I could do with some more analysis from you. There's been a lot of dick-waving, and if you will notice, nobody left wants to get hit in the face with a dick.

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:39 pm**

MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:56 pm**

Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?

Posted: **Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:32 pm**

Floyd is officially dead in a ditch now.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:16 am**

DrWilgy wrote:Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?

i got rezzed

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:00 am**

Long Con wrote:Floyd is officially dead in a ditch now.

That's a shame. I wonder why Floyd?

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?
i got rezzed

I'd be down for that.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:09 am**

Epignosis wrote:If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.

You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:11 am**

Epignosis wrote:MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

I think folks ought to entertain the notion that you're mafia.

The fact that you're pushing this simple-minded approach encourages that idea.

What do folks think of that?

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:18 am**

Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?
I think folks ought to entertain the notion that you're mafia.

The fact that you're pushing this simple-minded approach encourages that idea.

What do folks think of that?

It doesn't look like anything to me.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:21 am**

Epignosis wrote:MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

He is a swell guy.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:28 am**

Can we go back to lynching my day 1 scum reads? Faraday plz.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:56 am**

I need to reread MM today. Haven't given him a good hard look in a while, so it's on my to do list.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:48 am**

thellama73 wrote:I need to reread MM today. Haven't given him a good hard look in a while, so it's on my to do list.

Read Skeletor while you'really at it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:04 am**

Marmot wrote:you'really

Fancy!

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:23 am**

Marmot wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I need to reread MM today. Haven't given him a good hard look in a while, so it's on my to do list.
Read Skeletor while you'really at it.

Okay, I will.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:28 am**

Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.
You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

Is your code never to kill me Night 1 or never to kill me?

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:29 am**

I want to call attention to this post on Day 1. I remember thinking it was odd at the time. It was preceded by no interaction between Metalmarsh89 and Jack, and seemed to come out of the blue to me. How do other people read this interaction?

Marmot wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Marmot wrote:None of the Post links in the OP work.
I've memorized the thread.

What are you looking for?
The part where you admitted you're mafia.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:30 am**

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.
You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

Is your code never to kill me Night 1 or never to kill me?

Marmot wrote: It's definitely not me, I woulda killed Epignosis Night 1.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:35 am**

Next, let's look at this post. MM was the first one to point out that women were being killed. Could be sincere, or he might be lampshading his own strategy. Or if I were a Freudian, I might say it looks like guilt over his kill targets coming out. Again, I lay the post before the court.

Marmot wrote:Those Republican assholes are eliminating women at an alarming rate.

Hillary would be most displeased, as am I.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:45 am**

The last thing about Metalmarsh; his suspicion of Epi.

I don't quite know what to make of this. The very first suspicion MM posted was of Epi for not playing hard enough. Then he flopped back and forth between civ and bad Epi for another couple of days before solidifying on Day 3. I asked him to explain his suspicion and he said it was "infoil" and refused to elaborate. After Quin's death, he's been more insistent still. As noted above, he also said " I woulda killed Epi night 1" which indicates a love of WIFOM as well as a desire to get Epi out of the game.

So basically, MM has wanted Epi gone with increasing intensity since Day 1.

Why?

Could be a genuine suspicion. And MM said all his suspicions are genuine, but the flopping back and forth seems odd in that case, as well as his brief attempt to partner with Epi to lynch me yesterday.

Could be a fear of being caught by Epi. As someone who has been caught by Epi many times, I can relate to that. But in that case why not just kill him at night? I have to mull.

Going to read Skeletor now.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:26 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.
You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

Is your code never to kill me Night 1 or never to kill me?

The former of the two.

That said, I don't kill you very often regardless, so it's trended to both.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:29 pm**

Long Con wrote:
Marmot wrote:you'really
Fancy!

Cursed phone autocorrect.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:35 pm**

thellama73 wrote:The last thing about Metalmarsh; his suspicion of Epi.

I don't quite know what to make of this. The very first suspicion MM posted was of Epi for not playing hard enough. Then he flopped back and forth between civ and bad Epi for another couple of days before solidifying on Day 3. I asked him to explain his suspicion and he said it was "infoil" and refused to elaborate. After Quin's death, he's been more insistent still. As noted above, he also said " I woulda killed Epi night 1" which indicates a love of WIFOM as well as a desire to get Epi out of the game.

So basically, MM has wanted Epi gone with increasing intensity since Day 1.

Why?

Could be a genuine suspicion. And MM said all his suspicions are genuine, but the flopping back and forth seems odd in that case, as well as his brief attempt to partner with Epi to lynch me yesterday.

Could be a fear of being caught by Epi. As someone who has been caught by Epi many times, I can relate to that. But in that case why not just kill him at night? I have to mull.

Going to read Skeletor now.

I decided to back off of my Epignosis suspicion yesterday, because if I'm wrong, I know he's a good player to keep around as a civilian.

What I don't like is his accusation today. It's a valid point I'll admit, but it's undefendable.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:19 pm**

I'll say one thing for Epi. He keeps his word.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.
You had the chance to reiterate your point. Why didn't you take it, and instead choose to believe that I'm (assumedly purposefully) misinterpreting your question?
I'm not putting up with Quin getting into bullshit arguments with S~V~S. I will lynch both of you if this happens.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:33 pm**

thellama73 wrote:I'll say one thing for Epi. He keeps his word.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.
You had the chance to reiterate your point. Why didn't you take it, and instead choose to believe that I'm (assumedly purposefully) misinterpreting your question?
I'm not putting up with Quin getting into bullshit arguments with S~V~S. I will lynch both of you if this happens.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:36 pm**

So here's the thing about Epi. A lot of his gameplay doesn't make sense to me.

Why did he argue so hard to prevent Jack from being lynched?
Why has he defended Sawyer so hard?
Why have his accusations of other players been so scattershot? I'm pretty sure at this point he has gone after everybody.

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.
I think the answer to the third question is fishing for reactions, which is something I associate with civvies more than baddies.

It has been pointed out thta odd behavior des not necessarily mean baddie behavior, and while I would certainly call Epi's behavior this game odd, I do not believe that he is bad.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:58 pm**

thellama73 wrote:<snip>

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.

<snip>

My qualm with this behavior: Epignosis wanted to keep jack alive for the purpose of observing his behavior and hunting for baddies based on that. But the problem is, Epignosis did none of that, and even promoted the opposite when Quin promoted the idea of lynching him.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:08 pm**

Marmot wrote:
thellama73 wrote:<snip>

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.

<snip>
My qualm with this behavior: Epignosis wanted to keep jack alive for the purpose of observing his behavior and hunting for baddies based on that. But the problem is, Epignosis did none of that, and even promoted the opposite when Quin promoted the idea of lynching him.

I don't think Epi's reasoning for keeping Jack alive was to observe him. As I recall, he always advocated ignoring him. He just thought lynching him was a waste of a day, since we already knew his role. At least that was my understanding.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:16 pm**

thellama73 wrote:
Marmot wrote:
thellama73 wrote:<snip>

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.

<snip>
My qualm with this behavior: Epignosis wanted to keep jack alive for the purpose of observing his behavior and hunting for baddies based on that. But the problem is, Epignosis did none of that, and even promoted the opposite when Quin promoted the idea of lynching him.
I don't think Epi's reasoning for keeping Jack alive was to observe him. As I recall, he always advocated ignoring him. He just thought lynching him was a waste of a day, since we already knew his role. At least that was my understanding.

Llama is correct. I wasn't interested in a thing Jack said or did after that point.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:10 pm**

I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:12 pm**

DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:21 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.
It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Same tbh.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:24 pm**

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:32 pm**

Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?

One without Sawyer as I'm having trouble determining if he's just wrong and without Epi as I'm having trouble determining if his play is civvy or not. Ideally we lynch both and they flip bad, then game over and I will be satisfied. I do not think that this is a realistic case however.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:44 pm**

Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:01 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?
I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:14 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.
It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:27 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.
It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Hmm... we also can't have this scenario if you are dead before endgame.

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:31 pm**

THE WHITE HOUSE

EXECUTIVE ORDER
13766
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PRESERVING SECURITY AND STABILITY
By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Declaration of Curfew. The Attorney General of the United States shall declare and maintain a curfew on the night of Wednesday, January 25, 2017. Notice of this curfew will be provided to any impacted areas by noon on Wednesday, January 25, 2017.

Section 2. Implementation of the Curfew. All resources currently at the disposal of the United States Justice Department may be employed on areas specified by the President. Local and state police may be called upon to enforce the curfew in any areas declared. The President will instruct the National Guard to stand at the ready should their participation be deemed necessary.

Section 3. Lifting of the Curfew. On the morning of Thursday, January 26, 2017, any curfews enacted under this executive order will be lifted and their effectiveness evaluated.

HILLARY R. CLINTON
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 24, 2017

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:32 pm**

I'm posting this for the sole purpose of soliciting Hillary Points.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:34 pm**

What will a curfew entail?

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