The Syndicate

Christ, that was a tough catch-up. Look, guys, it should be pretty evident. Llama, Russ, and BWT were the only three covered. BWT was lynched and flipped unrecruited civvie. There was no NK. This could partially be because one of the killers was blocked. However, that leaves another one or two killers who HAVE to be at least one of llama or Russ. (more on this in my last paragraph)

I am NOT Bob and I have not been recruited, even as of yesterday's recruit. I understand it's a seemingly reasonable possibility, but it is one for other players as well. To address how I missed the vote, I missed it. It was not on purpose. I was literally pressing the button and I missed it by one minute, according to my clock, and it closed on me, while I was typing my post. Please, ask yourselves, what the hell kind of motivation would I have in missing a vote if I was baddie? There was no NK. Makes no sense at all.

Kate, there is no "convenient timing". I have roughly 40 hours of studying this week purely for ONLY my CPA that I have to get done. I can't devote every single minute in the thread to mafia and I told myself I'd get BEC 1 done today if I could, which I realized would take me a good solid at least 8 hours or so. And another question, you keep emphatically proclaiming things, such as, you firmly believe I'm Bob, and before you firmly believed Nev was bad, and you said strongly llama was Bob yesterday. Let's analyze this here because evidently it's clear that either 1) you're baddie (but I don't think so) or 2) you have some incorrect info, somehow. This is a possibility you've recognized. We need to figure this out and keep a clear focus. Can you work with me here and tell me which people you firmly believe you have cleared for NOT being Bob?

I suggest highly that we cover llama AND Russ, that we put at the least 1 on Vomps, and then perhaps 1 on someone else, but I want to hear what people think of this. Mata, Rox, and Kate all seem to be acting strange, and it's entirely possible one of them was recruited yesterday. However, at least two of them have to be just having blinders on or something. I suppose Kate seems least likely a recent recruit just based on my gut read; she still reads sincere to me, but some of her posts don't make any sense at all anymore, so I guess it's possible. But assuming my gut is right, this means Mata or Rox was probably one of the ones recruited, assuming neither of them is Bob, which I suppose is also a possibility (Rox's being uncovered argument would fall to the side and Mata's escaping the lynch could be a result of Russ, Llama, or some recruit having that ability instead of her). This is less relevant though than the analyzing at hand, because it doesn't matter which recruit we catch as long as we snag one.

Also, it's not proven that Russ is bad any more than it is llama. While I understand llama's 1/2 v. 1/5 logic, I don't understand how it equates to anything to something technically mathematical because it's not purely a game of chance; there's nothing about it that warrants probability. What I do know is that Russ and Llama were covered last night and we had no NK.

Now, here's the weird thing. I want thoughts from everyone here to make sure I have this correct. It is technically possible for ONE of Llama, Vomps, or Russ to be unrecruited civvie, even if they all have BTSC. If the new recruit couldn't kill and they all have BTSC, and if Vomps is a recruited baddie, then maybe Vomps was blocked. That would mean only one other kill is out there, belonging to either Llama OR Russ. The other one could be Bob, I suppose, but it seems just as likely they could be an innocent civvie. Now, even if they DON'T all have direct BTSC, this could still be possible. This being said, I think it seems very, very clear that Russ OR Llama have to be bad in some way shape or form, if not both, just based off of the evidence. AND that if one of those is cleared, then it means Vomps has to be baddie. Therefore, it seems logical to me that two of these people have to be baddie. Correct? As to who exactly Bob is, that's a damn good question.

SO MUCH LINKITIS! Not reading it before posting, sorry.

thellama73 wrote:Whatever happens, I have to admit, this has been a really fun (if at times infuriating) game.

This entirely.

Roxy wrote:what if kate, SVS and Mp are Bob and co? For fun lets discuss this possibilty

Mathematically impossible. None of us were covered last night and no NKs happened. How could that be?

Kate wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Alex, even if you believe me to be a recruit (which I am not) why take the chance on me when you also believe Russ to be recruit and he comes from a pool of only two possibilities whereas I come from a pool of five? Also, I will help you with Russ. Math indicates that a Russ vote is the way to go. Vote Russ and fabulous prizes await.Vote me, and only sorrow and misery will follow (especially for me )

I'm down with a Russ vote, but we need to cover you as well, because you both have to be bad. We need to cover all recruits so that we lynch a baddie and then stop any NK. That's the only way we have any chance here.

Will you still vote Russ?

Also, I meant to tell you in response to this, yes, I'm heavily considering it. Let me know what you think of what I said above.

Also I am now wondering if it's the PA'ers against the not PA'ers lol or girls vs boys

Kate I meant could Rusti just have been wrong about his Teeth case in the same way you were wrong about your Nev case?

I feel very strongly we should lynch llama since he is much more threatening to our civ cause than Rusti. I agree with SVS llama deffo is not giving me the warm fuzzies either. Do not be suckered by his slick smooth posts that will lure you into a false sense of hope. <3

Roxy wrote: I agree with SVS llama deffo is not giving me the warm fuzzies either. Do not be suckered by his slick smooth posts that will lure you into a false sense of hope. <3

This post made me lugh really hard.

I probably shouldn't, but I find that description of me really flattering. <3

OK, unfortunately, I still have like at least 2 (maybe 3) hours of studying this segment to do, so I need to get back to it. I'll be back after that to vote, and hopefully we have a very strong idea of what to do with the votes (though it seems we at least have a better one today than any other day thus far, lol)... unless for some reason it would be better for me to vote in the morning; I can probably do that as well since I'll be around.

Since the big push is on to save Llama, I'm going with Bob for him after all. I dont know how, but everyone so far has been trying to save him. If Bob is lynched, its pretty much game over for the baddies. If we dont lynch Bob, then its definately game over for the civvies.

Matahari wrote:Since the big push is on to save Llama, I'm going with Bob for him after all. I dont know how, but everyone so far has been trying to save him. If Bob is lynched, its pretty much game over for the baddies. If we dont lynch Bob, then its definately game over for the civvies.

Not at all true. If you lynch BOB tonight, you have potentially three NKs coming to you. A better strategy is to lynch a recruit, so you only have 2 nks to worry about. Then get Bob after his recruits are whittled down.

I think Vomps and llama are a likely recruited pair. They went from suspecting each other to voting and thinking the same. I am beginning to think they are either throwing a partner under the bus for civ cred or are tying to get us to lynch another civ. I do not trust anything llama is saying or vomps.

MP - I asked that purely to see what llama would say - did you read his response? LOL it was kinda funny.

Linky llama - <3

Linky agains

Roxy wrote:I think Vomps and llama are a likely recruited pair. They went from suspecting each other to voting and thinking the same. I am beginning to think they are either throwing a partner under the bus for civ cred or are tying to get us to lynch another civ. I do not trust anything llama is saying or vomps.

MP - I asked that purely to see what llama would say - did you read his response? LOL it was kinda funny.

Linky llama - <3

Linky agains

honestly, the only thing making me really mistrust Russti in with that unholy trio is that he has not tried to defend himself well, and was quite happy to vote the way we suggested. At this point, I'm fairly sure that Kate got recruited, and she is sort of covering for Llama. Unless....one of those weird sub-theories in my head is correct.

thellama73 wrote:Kate, have you considered that SVS may be the day four recruit? You two have been simpatico until now, and suddenly there is divergence. I think I know who the Day 0 and Day 2 recruits are, but Day 4 I haven't been able to pin down. Could be SVS.

What the hell are you talking about? We seldom vote the same, I thought Nev was a civvie.

Nice, try to divide and conquer the civs? You just keep throwing names out, Mata, Rox, me, we're all bad. But not you, lol. Not any of the BWT voters? Oh except Russ, is he who you are throwing under the bus to save yourself? Like I said, you suddenly pushing him makes me less likely to want to vote for him.

And I said I would vote for any of the three BWT voters, you are all bad as far as I am concerned.

Settle down, SVS, I'm just trying to figure out who the third recruit is. I know it's not me, pretty sure it's not Kate. That leaves MP, Vomps, you, and Roxy. I think Roxy is BOB, so she's out, and I don't think Vomps would be recruited since he has been consistently suspected this whole game. That leaves you and MP. I haven't settled on which yet.

thellama73 wrote:

Matahari wrote:Since the big push is on to save Llama, I'm going with Bob for him after all. I dont know how, but everyone so far has been trying to save him. If Bob is lynched, its pretty much game over for the baddies. If we dont lynch Bob, then its definately game over for the civvies.

Not at all true. If you lynch BOB tonight, you have potentially three NKs coming to you. A better strategy is to lynch a recruit, so you only have 2 nks to worry about. Then get Bob after his recruits are whittled down.

Not following your train at all here. Obviously one of us will now be forced to put a vote on vomps, to take care of all the possible known night killers. We just have one more possible baddie, and I'm torn between it being Kate or MP. And this is going to be rather difficult since you 3 have already blatantly shown your hand.

You mean I've shown my innocent, helpful hand?

No when you voted for BWT while I was basically outing us to stop it.

thellama73 wrote:You mean I've shown my innocent, helpful hand?

I'm envisioning you twirling your mustache right now

How would this work out? Out of the 5 remaining voters, two more votes go on Russti, one on Vomps, one on MP, and one on Kate.

The baddies have already figured out a plan to save Llama, but at least this way, all the question mark players are covered with a vote, and if Ben has been recruited, moving one vote off Russti wont really help him, will it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Kate wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Alex, even if you believe me to be a recruit (which I am not) why take the chance on me when you also believe Russ to be recruit and he comes from a pool of only two possibilities whereas I come from a pool of five? Also, I will help you with Russ. Math indicates that a Russ vote is the way to go. Vote Russ and fabulous prizes await.Vote me, and only sorrow and misery will follow (especially for me )

I'm down with a Russ vote, but we need to cover you as well, because you both have to be bad. We need to cover all recruits so that we lynch a baddie and then stop any NK. That's the only way we have any chance here.

Will you still vote Russ?

Also, I meant to tell you in response to this, yes, I'm heavily considering it. Let me know what you think of what I said above.

I feel like I am mostly certain the only people that could be bob are Russ Rox or you. If you are not, and Russ is a recruit, which I believe to be true. Then it could only be Rox. But she has given me reason to believe it isn't. So I don't know.

Matahari wrote:Since the big push is on to save Llama, I'm going with Bob for him after all. I dont know how, but everyone so far has been trying to save him. If Bob is lynched, its pretty much game over for the baddies. If we dont lynch Bob, then its definately game over for the civvies.

Omg I'm not trying to save llama. I'm not. But there are too few votes to split. Why can't you see that! I ink Russ is a better bet. Mata. Please. Think why I might be reconsidering since the night passed. I think Russ is a better bet. Please. You have asked me to think in this game now I'm asking you.

I'm literally harming my health over this game. Svs can vouch for that whether she is good or bad. I trust No one.

Matahari wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You mean I've shown my innocent, helpful hand?

I'm envisioning you twirling your mustache right now

How would this work out? Out of the 5 remaining voters, two more votes go on Russti, one on Vomps, one on MP, and one on Kate.

The baddies have already figured out a plan to save Llama, but at least this way, all the question mark players are covered with a vote, and if Ben has been recruited, moving one vote off Russti wont really help him, will it?

Kate?! No!

Mata you and I vote Russ.

Mp or Rox whichever is not bob, please vote vomps. Lol.

Svs. Russ or llama? Mata? Rox? You are the only ones I have hope left for.

Kate wrote:

Matahari wrote:Since the big push is on to save Llama, I'm going with Bob for him after all. I dont know how, but everyone so far has been trying to save him. If Bob is lynched, its pretty much game over for the baddies. If we dont lynch Bob, then its definately game over for the civvies.

Omg I'm not trying to save llama. I'm not. But there are too few votes to split. Why can't you see that! I ink Russ is a better bet. Mata. Please. Think why I might be reconsidering since the night passed. I think Russ is a better bet. Please. You have asked me to think in this game now I'm asking you.

I'm literally harming my health over this game. Svs can vouch for that whether she is good or bad. I trust No one.

you might have missed my last post Kate.

Matahari wrote:

Kate wrote:

Matahari wrote:Since the big push is on to save Llama, I'm going with Bob for him after all. I dont know how, but everyone so far has been trying to save him. If Bob is lynched, its pretty much game over for the baddies. If we dont lynch Bob, then its definately game over for the civvies.

Omg I'm not trying to save llama. I'm not. But there are too few votes to split. Why can't you see that! I ink Russ is a better bet. Mata. Please. Think why I might be reconsidering since the night passed. I think Russ is a better bet. Please. You have asked me to think in this game now I'm asking you.

I'm literally harming my health over this game. Svs can vouch for that whether she is good or bad. I trust No one.

you might have missed my last post Kate.

I don't understand. You're going with bob?

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Kate, have you considered that SVS may be the day four recruit? You two have been simpatico until now, and suddenly there is divergence. I think I know who the Day 0 and Day 2 recruits are, but Day 4 I haven't been able to pin down. Could be SVS.

What the hell are you talking about? We seldom vote the same, I thought Nev was a civvie.

Nice, try to divide and conquer the civs? You just keep throwing names out, Mata, Rox, me, we're all bad. But not you, lol. Not any of the BWT voters? Oh except Russ, is he who you are throwing under the bus to save yourself? Like I said, you suddenly pushing him makes me less likely to want to vote for him.

Can I say anything to make you reconsider? We don't have enough votes to split. I'm just going to keep saying this until the right person (the civ/s) left hear me!!

thellama73 wrote:Kate, have you considered that SVS may be the day four recruit? You two have been simpatico until now, and suddenly there is divergence. I think I know who the Day 0 and Day 2 recruits are, but Day 4 I haven't been able to pin down. Could be SVS.

Sometimes she's just a knucklehead.

LOL, I think I have been fairly divergent this whole game, ha ha~

And yes, you are giving yourself migraines over this. Silly girl

I'm probably going to have to vote tonight. Late sleeper, if there is not a plan in place I'll just go random or something. I don't know I'll figure something out.

I think any civ should be fine with lynching russ, leaving llama with one vote and covering one or two of the others, right?

Matahari wrote:I'm probably going to have to vote tonight. Late sleeper, if there is not a plan in place I'll just go random or something. I don't know I'll figure something out.

Do you trust me at all? If you do and you trust that night powers are at all accurate you should put a 4th on Russ. I am voting Russ btw.

You know what's happening here? The baddies are sitting back waiting to see if the four of us can figure this out and vote together. If the four civs do not all vote together the game will end. It's got to be either mata svs or Rox. Whichever of you is the civ if you want to give the civs a chance vote Russ. Anything else and this game ends.

Votes russ

Kate - 3 of us are telling you llama why are you so reluctant to trust us? Why should we save llama he has basically outed himself in the thread.
Then all we have to do is cover vomps and MP.

Roxy wrote:Kate - 3 of us are telling you llama why are you so reluctant to trust us? Why should we save llama he has basically outed himself in the thread.
Then all we have to do is cover vomps and MP.

Because stuff happens in the night that tells me something the complete opposite. Not stuff that I am deducing. Stuff that just is.

I am telling you the last thing I want to do is follow llama and Vomps in a vote. It is silly that anyone is srsly considering this tbqh.

Linky yes stuff happens at night and since you have outed your role I am sure you are a regular target. I do not trust any info gained at night since we have so much thread evidence to the contrary.

Roxy wrote:I am telling you the last thing I want to do is follow llama and Vomps in a vote. It is silly that anyone is srsly considering this tbqh.

Linky yes stuff happens at night and since you have outed your role I am sure you are a regular target. I do not trust any info gained at night since we have so much thread evidence to the contrary.

Well I do.

Roxy wrote:I am telling you the last thing I want to do is follow llama and Vomps in a vote. It is silly that anyone is srsly considering this tbqh.

Linky yes stuff happens at night and since you have outed your role I am sure you are a regular target. I do not trust any info gained at night since we have so much thread evidence to the contrary.

Who hasn't?

Kate give a hint of what it is. It doesnt really matter now anyway.

Matahari wrote:Kate give a hint of what it is. It doesnt really matter now anyway.

*protection*

Civs - Rusti already has 3 votes.
We need one vote to cover Vomps.
The rest of us need to vote llama.

Why does Kate want us to follow llama and Vomps in a vote for Rusti when they are our other top 2 suspects?


Mati think why is she trying to steer us away from llama?? Why do we want to follow his vote?

Matahari wrote:Kate give a hint of what it is. It doesnt really matter now anyway.

It does matter. Why do you think I'm trying so hard?

Hahaha No way Kate! Not possible.
You may like us to believe that but it is quite impossible.

Tell me why we want to follow the other top two suspects in voting Rusti? Explain it Kate - plainly.

You are obv taking me up on a sig bet about me being Bob I can't wait to pick one out for you. I already have llama's set aside.

Should I swear on something? A bible? A child? Lol. I'm an unrecruited civ. trust me please! She is lying to you!

Roxy wrote:Hahaha No way Kate! Not possible.
You may like us to believe that but it is quite impossible.

Tell me why we want to follow the other top two suspects in voting Rusti? Explain it Kate - plainly.

You are obv taking me up on a sig bet about me being Bob I can't wait to pick one out for you. I already have llama's set aside.

Um, you know why because we were wrong. And aren't you talking to the minions and one civ? Yes.

Is it mata or svs?

I really commnd the baddies on a game well played. Really well played and if you had killed me or recruited me before last night you would have had me hook line and sinker the entire game. But now you can't fool me.

I am not lying if we do not vote llama it is game over for the civ's.

Ask yourselves who you trust more llama, Vomps and Kate then vote for Rusti.

If you trust me then vote llama. I am not going to sit here and state the obv. all night. We need to cover Vomps and I think its obv who else needs to be covered.

If you really think I am Bob lynch me I am calling all bluffs!

Roxy wrote:I am not lying if we do not vote llama it is game over for the civ's.

Ask yourselves who you trust more llama, Vomps and Kate then vote for Rusti.

If you trust me then vote llama. I am not going to sit here and state the obv. all night. We need to cover Vomps and I think its obv who else needs to be covered.

If you really think I am Bob lynch me I am calling all bluffs!

No we lynch bob next. We need to eliminate a kill first.

Well, I've read enough. I'm voting llama.

I think Kate's been recruited; there's no other explanation. Kate being the Day 4 recruit seems to be most likely given her slew of posts since I've last been in here.

Mata and S~V~S, does one of you at the least want to cover Kate or Vomps? What are we thinking here?

I didn't realize Rox had voted when I submitted my vote; it must have been literally right as I was voting or I was nuts and just didn't see it there.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've read enough. I'm voting llama.

I think Kate's been recruited; there's no other explanation. Kate being the Day 4 recruit seems to be most likely given her slew of posts since I've last been in here.

Yea cuz I'm always so obvious

MovingPictures07 wrote:Mata and S~V~S, does one of you at the least want to cover Kate or Vomps? What are we thinking here?

I didn't realize Rox had voted when I submitted my vote; it must have been literally right as I was voting or I was nuts and just didn't see it there.

Orly?

Sorry for the triple post. I want to clarify, I still am glad I voted llama, even though Rox did as well. I just read that over and realized it might not have made total sense. I just am thinking, now that only two people still have to vote, we want to use at least one of those to cover someone else, right?

Linki with Kate: Can you please explain your behavior then to me? Your recent posts are manic. I'm still entertaining that it could be Rox, S~V~S, or Mata, I guess, but I don't know if I like the way things went down, and you failed to address the major point in my post that I was hoping you would.

Linki with Vomps: See above, not sure what you're asking, but hopefully that helps.

Well mata or svs. I hope you will read the passion in my posts. Svs. You know this is civvie Kate. So whichever of you is the civ. vote Russ to give us a chance otherwise good game baddies.