The Syndicate

The most important thing I want people to recognize right now is that we can still lynch any player we want. It doesn't have to be either wolbre or Elohcin. I don't care for how that dichotomy has developed through the day.

I am going to be on the road for a while, but should be vaguely present around EOD.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 4:36 pm so I know I set out to do isos last night but instead I got sleepy drunk and passed out and didn't read anything

I appreciate your honesty.

between the two of them I think that eloh looks a little worse than wolbre, there's something real to me about his desperation to stay alive and all the effort he's putting into making the lynch go in a direction that isn't him, which to be fair would be something he'd do as a bad guy too I guess.

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] did you play any games here other than Greece and Ass?

side note, mp07 looks town to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 4:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

MP is scum and I'm looking for his teammate imo.

When you think about MP's alignment in this game, what single thing gives you the most pause when considering him a bad guy?

I've found his interactions with wolbre to be pretty sincere and believable. I don't think they're teammate compatible (which is something I thought going into today).

Quick post (hopefully will be here before day end).

I’m a bit more comfortable lynching Wolbre than Eloh. I just feel Eloh comes off a bit more believable in tone, and not sure I buy all of the defense Wolbre pulls out. That said I’m not convinced either has to be scum. Could potenially see Wolbre with MP, but maybe a bit tinfoil.

Did anyone get what Epi was talking about re Wolbre’s (maybe false) mistake? Also, why has Wolbre not commented on this?

If Quin thinks he’s confirmed town, then use that power to scum hunt effectively. If he wants me lynched and thinks that’s the best for town that requires testing your read and working through it. Why not do this or something?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:26 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:24 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:02 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:45 pm First instinct is to ask whoever jumped Choutas wagon super late, why?

I hopped on Choutas because I saw nothing town-indicative from him, and my vote on lapluie wasn't doing much.

Eye me all you want. But I don't see why my vote would be suspicious. Choutas was likely lynched whether I switched or not.

Hmmmm true....but.... why do you think you *needed* to vote for him anyway even if he's already in a lynch lead? You seemed hesitant & worried for him to be bad but he was already gonna die anyway

No not really. But if a member of the mafia get's lynched, I like to have my vote on the wagon just for my own morale boost, as if I did do something to make it happen.

could you plz give me an example of you doing this?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:18 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:26 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:24 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:02 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:45 pm First instinct is to ask whoever jumped Choutas wagon super late, why?

I hopped on Choutas because I saw nothing town-indicative from him, and my vote on lapluie wasn't doing much.

Eye me all you want. But I don't see why my vote would be suspicious. Choutas was likely lynched whether I switched or not.

Hmmmm true....but.... why do you think you *needed* to vote for him anyway even if he's already in a lynch lead? You seemed hesitant & worried for him to be bad but he was already gonna die anyway

No not really. But if a member of the mafia get's lynched, I like to have my vote on the wagon just for my own morale boost, as if I did do something to make it happen.

could you plz give me an example of you doing this?

In Ancient Greece when we lynched Colin.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:09 pm between the two of them I think that eloh looks a little worse than wolbre, there's something real to me about his desperation to stay alive and all the effort he's putting into making the lynch go in a direction that isn't him, which to be fair would be something he'd do as a bad guy too I guess.

@wolbre04 did you play any games here other than Greece and Ass?

side note, mp07 looks town to me.

Well, Upick as well but i died n1 lmfao as town

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:58 pm If I am Gladys Campbell, Colin is a dentist.

who ia Gladys Campbell?

I'm only popping in to say: still working on dissertation finalization (should be done by tonight though!), PerC mafia game deadline is an hour and a half before this one, so my activity will be somewhat limited, but otherwise I will be here in the final few hours prior to EoD off and on -- that much is certain.

I'm going to VERY quickly catch up now, then I need to bolt.

ColinIsCool - Part of my problem I face is that my first game with someone who flips scum, I subconcsciously associate them with scum for future games for awhile. Colin is playing differently for sure compared to !scum in greece. I didn't like his response to my explanation of the survive to win mentality.
Dyslexicon - Focused her efforts during d1 lynch off of Choutas as she believed his lynch was set in stone basically, so she focused on Colin. Maybe she knew he was MAfia, but most probable she is town
Elohcin - Seems disinterested. I don't doubt she may be burned out but the post about voting me just because just made my heart sink
Epignosis - Really not sure what Epi is doing this game.
JaggedJimmyJay - Gamesolving and I appreciate the effort to try and get me to clarify on various topics. Willingness to change votes is also good and you're posting a good amt
Kylemii - hasn't posted for most of today. Identified my vote on choutas as a good look for me (unlikely to him that i theoretically bussed him), otherwise im disregarding some of his posts from yesterday bc he was drunk
lapluie - Hasn't had a ton of interacitons with me besides a positive one a short while ago. Doubtful she is scum but I am not famiiar with her
M Plus 7 - In a weird place in my list. Post d1 he has been really active and attempting to question and give me the benefit of the doubt. He did, however vote late on Choutas. Therefore, the choutas portion makes him look a bit less town to me
Marmot (Replaced MacDougall) - I think part of why I dislike your role, not you, is that Mac pushed the idea of me being scum early. This is just him being how he is, but I don't like being attacked as it stresses me out and resurfaces.
Quin - Feels null leaning town for me. He pointed out that nova thought i was scum as well as JJJ potentially, and that the night kill was a clever one bc Nova didn't give many reads
Scotty - I feel very similar regarding Floyd and Eloh to your most recent post,
TheFloyd73 - Really hard to make a comment here besides just gone. We don't know what happens in the event of an afk mafia killer. Statistically hes town just afk. Rip if hes the PR

I need to sleep now, Im wiped but will be back shortly before eod

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:52 am Okay, that might be how it is on your home forum, but that’s not how it is in this game, so I’m not seeing a very good justification for it. It reeks of not being confident in your abilities to survive the lynch, but if you’re a townie who’s done nothing wrong, why would that be?

I'm increasingly considering that Colin is bad.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:26 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:52 am Okay, that might be how it is on your home forum, but that’s not how it is in this game, so I’m not seeing a very good justification for it. It reeks of not being confident in your abilities to survive the lynch, but if you’re a townie who’s done nothing wrong, why would that be?

I'm increasingly considering that Colin is bad.

Why?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:20 pm MP, I haven’t forgot about IsOing you, so if you’d kindly stop posting so when I get to it on an hour off -whenever the hell that is - I can sip my coffee and only go through 8 pages of posts thanks

and if i came across as angry towards any of u and i get lynched, its just competetive youre all great <3

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:27 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:26 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:52 am Okay, that might be how it is on your home forum, but that’s not how it is in this game, so I’m not seeing a very good justification for it. It reeks of not being confident in your abilities to survive the lynch, but if you’re a townie who’s done nothing wrong, why would that be?

I'm increasingly considering that Colin is bad.

Why?

Gut feeling mostly; you seem too flexible and going with the flow of the tides of the thread, and despite consistent contributions I feel like many of your reads are boring. They're easy (going back to Dizzy's observation earlier). I felt this way about Sloonei in Ancient Greece, but I had less time during that game, and I never ISOd him or tried to put this into words. I regret that, so I'm trying to not do that here.

That said, I'd have to actually give your ISO a fair shake. I don't want to lynch you today, but I'll be investigating you soon either way so I can elaborate upon this for your and my sake.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:39 pm I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.

I could do this as well. As time continues to pass and he fails to actually do much of anything, I don't buy his content being genuine.

Hot potato?

[VOTE: QUIN] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

MP is scum and I'm looking for his teammate imo.

I'm beginning to question whether you sincerely believe this.

I don't think I want to lynch Elo or wolbre today.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 4:40 pm I know this was employed in Quin’s game recently and probably isn’t mainstream yet, but just in case:

G-Man if mafia doesn’t send in a kill, is it randomized or does nothing happen?

If there is no kill request sent in, then there will be no kill. Failed kills thwarted by protections and missed kills will both be written ambiguously in the night post so you won’t know quite which event occurred.

this is the most active marmot i have ever seen in my entire life

I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

I need to go. I'll be back for certain. For now I'm cool with lynching Quin; he's doing fuck all to advance town and his Choutas vote could easily have been bussing. His back and forth with Jay wherein he thereafter declared Jay to be scum is a bit troublesome because that read also seems to have vanished from thin air. I could also consider Epignosis/Charlie. I would consider Colin, but only if my feelings on him were less vague, so I'd have to do some serious analysis and I don't think there's time for that today.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:36 pm I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

This is fair, thanks. I'll give your content a proper shake at some point for sure.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:34 pm this is the most active marmot i have ever seen in my entire life

Word — anybody recall what his alignments have been recently (back to Fire Emblem)? I don’t think he was scum in any game I played

sorry am mobile

is it correct that floyd has not posted?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:37 pm sorry am mobile

is it correct that floyd has not posted?

corrrect

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:37 pm sorry am mobile

is it correct that floyd has not posted?

Yes. Whether someone is subbing in or not remains to be seen

early quin looks bad, later quin looks good

his vote for choutas was abrupt and not explained other than quoting a post of mine. what were the votes like when he did this, anyone remember? Quin said he put chou in the lead, is that true

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:58 pm If I am Gladys Campbell, Colin is a dentist.

who ia Gladys Campbell?

The cop of sorts.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:50 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:58 pm If I am Gladys Campbell, Colin is a dentist.

who ia Gladys Campbell?

The cop of sorts.

omg it's a role

people kept referencing Gladys Campbell and I thought it was just like some incredibly specific reference to an old actor or something

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:53 pm people kept referencing Gladys Campbell and I thought it was just like some incredibly specific reference to an old actor or something

-5 Hillary Points for not reading the host posts, which involve- wait for it-






Gladys Campbell.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 6:40 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:53 pm people kept referencing Gladys Campbell and I thought it was just like some incredibly specific reference to an old actor or something

-5 Hillary Points for not reading the host posts, which involve- wait for it-

Gladys Campbell.

i've never read anything in my life, i'm a cool jock that plays sports and flexes my muscles :\

MP mentions of choutas:

He posts a rainbow list day 1 with a shipload of null salmon-colored players, including choutas. That’s his first mention. The first time he singled out joints was in response to wolbre:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:31 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:29 am Where u at coitus [VOTE: Choutas] aubergine

wolbre. You're cool man, and I'm glad to be playing with you again, but stuff has happened. Don't bother throwing a vote like that. What do you think of that stuff?

Wolbre’s vote, if I recall at the time, was off the main wagon and MP’s response here makes sense in that context. But still, MP is addressing wolbre’s inaction and not directly choutas. Meh.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:26 pm Players, please talk to me about...

Choutas

Yes. Good idea. I remember nothing about Choutas this game. Let me take a look.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:30 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:26 pm Players, please talk to me about...

Choutas

Yes. Good idea. I remember nothing about Choutas this game. Let me take a look.

Well, that was uneventful. No wonder I don't remember anything.

9 posts and not really any game relevant content? He could be bad I suppose.

And yet, in his very next post:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:32 pm POE Rainbow #2 - Day 1
ColinIsCool
Kylemii
Marmot
Quin

Choutas
Dyslexicon
Epignosis Blackmon
JaggedJimmyJay
lapluie
novaselinenever
Scotty
TheFloyd73
wolbre04

Elohcin

Too many in the medium pile. Meh. Not sure what to do about it.

Choutas hasn’t moved positions between this and his last rainbow list. “Could be bad I suppose” is apparently still salmon (or at least peach- I dunno what that color is), so that’s not helpful.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:14 pm In Ancient Greece, Choutas got off to a slow start. He didn't hesitate to make game-relevant comments though, and he was incisive.

Ancient Greece Choutas ISO

This time he has given much less in the way of reads, and doesn't seem oriented toward getting to a place where he can have reads.

Easter Choutas ISO

Yeah, combined with his comment about desiring more content, it's not exactly ideal. I could vote there.

JJJ has to poke and prod for Mp to seem interested. It’s suspicion, for sure, just downplayed.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:04 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:43 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 2:49 pm I still have a heavy day load so please bear with it another time guys.

if there's any documented reason for why choutas would be less active this game it's this

Who would you like to murder, Syndicate user Kylemii?

i think choutas seems like a pretty good option, I'm just nervous cus it seems a little too obvious. His scum hunting effort is clearly different between here and ancient Greece. In AG he was pointing things out, and making accusations even if he wasn't leading the posting race or anything.

I'm nervous about it too, but I may vote there to avoid a close lynch of someone else less desirable.

I'd still most like to lynch Elo, but no one seems to want to do that for some reason.

Good and bad look- seems open to voting him, but also leaving himself a soft out in case Elo lynch can’t take off.

This is followed by a simultaneous vote with marmot for choutas.

So, all in all, not terrible looks here. There is the possibility for teammate bussing with only soft prodding of choutas before that. I think his progression at least looks more organic than Marmot, who looked like the guy who bought a red car to fit in with the neighborhood of red cars.

I think MP has a tendency to only address people that talk loudly- he likes getting dirty with the big dogs and tends to avoid the dachshunds and pursepups. I don’t think this is AI as I’ve played with him many a time and don’t remember him avoiding low posters as good or bad. He didn’t avoid choitas, but didn’t go out of his way.

I really don’t know who to vote. May end up sheeping Jimmeyy or Kyle. And not really here

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:34 pm this is the most active marmot i have ever seen in my entire life

Is that ok wichu?

I'm going to [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 7:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:34 pm this is the most active marmot i have ever seen in my entire life

Is that ok wichu?

no it's p neat

i mean yes it's okay

Me too. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

I don’t believe he has real reads.

Kyle, I couldn't help but notice you're the only active player who hasn't voted.

Who are you gonna vote for?

My impression previously was that Quin was town after his tiebreaking vote on Choutas (it was tiebreaking right?)

But Jay's point that he's done little since then in terms of game-solving, I agree with that.

Quin is no stranger to bussing. He was born in it. He was molded by it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 8:01 pm Quin is no stranger to bussing. He was born in it. He was molded by it.

Good to know.

In that case, his reasoning for voting for Choutas was about the same as mine has been portrayed as, maybe even worse.

My preference for the current three wagons:

Quin > wolbre04 > Elohcin

I never made up my mind on Quin, so I will ISO him right now REAL quick.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 7:53 pm I'm going to [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 7:58 pm Me too. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

I don’t believe he has real reads.

I don't think he does either.