The Syndicate

If y’all wanna make a case on nova I’ll consider voting him, I’m clueless.

Scum Nova never kills this man,

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:16 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:10 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:08 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:54 pm Someone that defends rej please make a towncase because I’m not seeing it

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:54 am Rej is town here I reckon. The weird theorycrafting is a staple of town rej, I like the way he's trying to articulate his thoughts completely. It feels like a journey lol, and the pushing through to put them out there feels genuine. It's original as fuck and you can kind of see his train of thoughts. Scum rej fails to replicate that feeling and he usually blabbers on then reaches conclusion that don't make any sense at all just to align himself with the flow of the thread or other people. Here he feels like his own man.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:01 pm Rej's theorycrafting is weird and he always gets scum read. His post and train of thoughts are so fucking confusing lol. It usually comes down to how he interacts with the thread, scum rej align himself with the thread and bounces off of others thoughts and post to fit in. His conclusion are usually wonky. Town rej appears his own man and he takes you on a fucking journey with his posts

The problem with your opinion here is that it's meant to be an opinion but it's coming across more like tmi.

Which is why I’m saying if Rej is inno then nova is next

I shan't be lynching Nova.

Especially since he's the only other person that 100% suspects Sig lol.

It's easy money

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:05 pm If y’all wanna make a case on nova I’ll consider voting him, I’m clueless.

Lynch Sig and all in the world would be good.

The third though is an interesting one. I have down to Enrique/Sprit.

I kind of like Sprit's exercise and work with the vote analysis. The sabie suspicion feels genuine I guess, not completely sure.

Enrique's still mia

Always keep coming back to his "I don't believe you" to Sig about the sabie suspicion. It stands out in a weird way 'cause he doesn't mention Sig as a scum read alongside Rej and Creature shortly afterwards. Also the "lol" is it a joke?

Enrique just doesn’t make sense to me as mafia with Dom.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:25 pm Lynching me still makes no sense. Theres no case on me and literally no reason to suspect I'm mafia at this point. Now I was wrong on Mac but his death was obviously done to further the attempt to lynch me by what must be nanook/nova team.

Then you've got Creature who literally just votes no question asks beginning of day. This is going to shape up just like the ET lynch if town just blindly votes for me.

I expressed a scumread on you since long?

Also feeling like straightvoting with no questions asked is better (see Dom)

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:25 pm This is going to shape up just like the ET lynch if town just blindly votes for me.

It's still nowhere shaped like the ET lynch

actually I feel like there's some sort of resistance to it

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:14 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:05 pm If y’all wanna make a case on nova I’ll consider voting him, I’m clueless.

Lynch Sig and all in the world would be good.

or maybe not

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:48 pm Nova, Rej, Epi, and Tex aren't on my list today. But, one is probably a mafia member.
Creature I'm getting some negative pings from, but they're gut.
Sab/Dom are playing within their normal Civ meta.
Nanook isn't playing the same way he was last game on here were he was mafia, but that doesn't absolve him since i'd imagine you'd switch meta up a bit.
Mac/TSP/LC are all null right now
Real is a scum lean, other people have summarized it nicely, but I also really dislike his reaction to me comparing how I'd do something as scum to how other people would act.

linki: That to, it's generally agreed that No lynch is always a bad option.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:49 pm sprityo is a slight mafia lean right now too, since I didn't even remember he was playing.

No mention of Enrique. Sprit red lean.

I ended up prodding him for thoughts on the former after noticing it D1.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:26 pm Alot of fluff from Enrique, but not really alot of real content. I can't recall if this is his normal day 1 behavior or not.

Neutral lean here I guess. The "lot of fluff" then highlighting the lack of content feels weird.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:36 pm Nova/Enrique

Other have talked about why Enrique would be an okay lynch and I agree with them.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:36 pm Enrique seems like an easy lynch, it's possible he's mafia but he's a bit of a low hanging fruit.

Deferral to others, and ok with the lynch. Later in the same post, light defense.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:53 pm Enrique, Nova, Mac, Nanook, and Spirtyo are whom I'm eyeing right now.

Nova/Mac are top two followed by Nanook.
Enrique/Sprityo are more meh reads

Both are now in a big pile, guessing it's a PoE.

Two wolves in Nanook, Epi, Sig, Nova.

I wouldn't mind placing my vote on novas or epi.
Both are deepwolves and I feel they are in their element of bullshitting their way through the day phase. Just some flashback gutfeelings.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:21 am Hi friend-- miss u

First interaction with Enrique. Pretty basic, NAI.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:21 pm I would like to hear more from Enrique

Prod and mention out of nowhere. Not sure if people were talking about Enrique at the time that'd have led him to remember him. Don't believe he followed up on it nor had Enrique responded.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:26 pm sprit, which specific things are you talking about?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:31 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:20 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:41 pm Theorycrafting time-

Day 1:
Creature (2) - Enrique, Nanook
Long Con (2) - TonyStarkPrime, Creature
Tedexter (1) - Novaseline
therealet (3) - Epi, Dom, Sabie
TonyStarkPrime (2) - Tedexter, Rej
No Lynch (1) - Sprityo
No vote: Long Con, Mac, Sig, therealet

So what's our possible roles here? it's been brought up but the most glaring issue is therealet shouldve been lynched but wasnt. I think it's also a common understanding that Sleazy Martinez was the one who had to pick who would be lynched. Discounting Secrets and Indy involvement I think these three scenarios sum up our situation at hand.

-One of TSP and Creature is Bender. therealet's role does not matter.
-therealet is Network President. Bender could still be in play and is the reason why LC was lynched.
-therealet is Network President and Bender didn't use his double vote, making sleazy martinez choose between Creature, LC, therealet, or TSP.

Personally I feel the first one is the most likely option followed by the second and then third.

Note: for the third option it'd make sense for Creature or TSP to be Sleazy Martinez and the other to be Bender.

@Dom @ Epi

From this post onwards. My discussion with tedexter and tony up until the night ended basically

The reason why I doubt your first scenario is that ET seems to be implying he knows why he survived.

First interaction with Sprit on D2.

Sprit feels uninformed here and trying to figure stuff out. Dom's entertaining him like he won't to solve stuff but nudging towards the bad direction. Doesn't feel like w/w to me.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:13 pm Hate red herrings.

Still want to lynch Enrique.

Enrique
Nanook
sig.

make them fight.

Enrique is now a scum read, same as with Sig. The progression here feels like distancing here, he just wants to put them as scumread but has no intention of lynching there. At the end of the phase, he ended up casing Nanook and push the lynch there while barely talking about the other two although he initially voted Enrique. I think Enrique would have been an easier lynch to push for scum!Dom.

This exchange reflects good on Epi. He's highjacking his suspicion of Enrique and kind of buddying him.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:37 pm I wouldn't mind placing my vote on novas or epi.
Both are deepwolves and I feel they are in their element of bullshitting their way through the day phase. Just some flashback gutfeelings.

Fam, I'm town. Listen to your own words.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:39 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:23 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:36 pm How satisfying to see mafia got caught, I just peeked in and saw Dom got voted up.
Sry for not being here in time and slendering the EoD, I was with a friend and then we gamed together. I didn't felt on making a case.

@Rej didn’t feel like making a case on who? Dom?

Also, how do you feel about Nova town reading you based off those reasons? Do you think he’s TMIng you or is his reasoning justified? Do you see your town game like that?

novas feels genuine, I think he is reading me correctly with arguments and consider this please if I shall flip town, because this could make novas lock town if he really is trying to understand me and reflect my civ aspects, because I don't know how I play as civ or scum. I like confusing myself

I scarred you for life or what Rej lmao

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:36 pm Two wolves in Nanook, Epi, Sig, Nova.

How does that PoE shape when we lynch Sig and he flips red?

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Do not waver my brethren

Enrique >>> Sprit

is where I'm at for third.

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 pm Enrique just doesn’t make sense to me as mafia with Dom.

That defense?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:44 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:36 pm Two wolves in Nanook, Epi, Sig, Nova.

How does that PoE shape when we lynch Sig and he flips red?

Literally stays the same because reasons. All lynches in there are good for me.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:48 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 pm Enrique just doesn’t make sense to me as mafia with Dom.

That defense?

That’s the thing, it wasn’t a defense, like a flat out one. It was an indirect defence because he was defending Dom, the player that also has fluff content and is a low poster, and not Dom, his scum buddy.

I don’t think he can defend a buddy like that man. You peeps are gonna need to find the needle in the hay stack regarding Enrique because I don’t think he’s scum. You’re gonna have to go 10 layers deep.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:47 pm Enrique >>> Sprit

is where I'm at for third.

See this is why I think my PoE is solid and stays the same regardless. Sprit is obvious town and if he’s not, then he’s neutral. Not a mafia though.

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:51 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:44 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:36 pm Two wolves in Nanook, Epi, Sig, Nova.

How does that PoE shape when we lynch Sig and he flips red?

Literally stays the same because reasons. All lynches in there are good for me.

None taken

Meh, I'm undecided rn

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:53 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:48 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 pm Enrique just doesn’t make sense to me as mafia with Dom.

That defense?

That’s the thing, it wasn’t a defense, like a flat out one. It was an indirect defence because he was defending Dom, the player that also has fluff content and is a low poster, and not Dom, his scum buddy.

I don’t think he can defend a buddy like that man. You peeps are gonna need to find the needle in the hay stack regarding Enrique because I don’t think he’s scum. You’re gonna have to go 10 layers deep.

It felt like an irritation to me, rather than an indirect defense. He strikes me as kind of persons, like these kinds of accusations in cases get to him and make him mad lol. The way he scare quoted fluff was hilarious.

Don't worry amigo, I'll solve it for you. Just stay strong and lynch Sig.

Looking at the roles, we lost our cop on D1 but Bender's 1-shot ability could basically work as a role-cop+cop. Comparing what ability they got out of their target with the public role list, they should know the role and alignment. I guess there are secrets stuff, but it's mostly the Priest who's now public info.

Not sure if that the person having their ability temporarily stolen would be informed though or just like a usual no result as not give info since no results could be a role-block 'cause otherwise anyone that get "your ability was stolen" would know Bender voted them the previous phase.

Irritation that lead to an indirect defense, meaning he didn’t have TMI on his partner. Yes. Exactly what I’m saying.

Creature good job lynching our cop by the way

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:54 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:47 pm Enrique >>> Sprit

is where I'm at for third.

See this is why I think my PoE is solid and stays the same regardless. Sprit is obvious town and if he’s not, then he’s neutral. Not a mafia though.

It's why I think it's Enrique. Sprit is there mostly 'cause the other have so much as town going for them which makes me so sure of my PoE.

You think sabie is more townie than sprit? Or nanook is townier that sprit? Wut

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:01 pm Irritation that lead to an indirect defense, meaning he didn’t have TMI on his partner. Yes. Exactly what I’m saying.

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:03 pm You think sabie is more townie than sprit? Or nanook is townier that sprit? Wut

Yeah she closed the door on Dom, and the way he showed up at the end trying to save himself frantically makes me think that wasn't the plan. She doesn't stirke me as someone with the character to do that.

Nanook's obsession with Epi and going after me has him as someone with mechanical knowledge and that can't talk. Dom tried hard to case him while it diddn't look he wanted to lynch the other two on the list. He spewed him town.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:57 pm Meh, I'm undecided rn

I'm confirmed to you though lol.

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:01 pm Irritation that lead to an indirect defense, meaning he didn’t have TMI on his partner. Yes. Exactly what I’m saying.

Hmmmm think he makes it no matter what, like it triggered him and just because Dom is his partner wouldn't stop him.

[mention]Rej[/mention] let’s lynch nova

Don't do that.

If we prioritize killing converted culties or whatever, Creature was probably converted as well. We gotta figure out what this toad is all about though

Figuring out what this Toad is all about is a waste of time. A big one. There is no starting point unless you start shooting in the dark which is dumb. At 7v2v1, one mislynch could potentially put us at MyLo (at least lose majority after a second one), since there is a mafia silencer.

We don't know if there are even clear cut conversions. It wouldn't make any sense for the Toad to be a cult/game-ending and the info not being made public in an open setup with no info dumps.

You lynch scum always as priority, and if there is anything fishy with the Toad, it's more likely that night kills flip will show it up 'cause night kill targets are often cult targets --> townies in good standing.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:06 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:57 pm Meh, I'm undecided rn

I'm confirmed to you though lol.

Okay, I get it

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:16 pm If we prioritize killing converted culties or whatever, Creature was probably converted as well. We gotta figure out what this toad is all about though

I respect the mod though, hence why I don't think there are cults

Toad is probably just a messing role

If I had to speculate I’d say toad is more likely targeting people as some sort of protection. Either they can’t vote for the toad, or they die instead of the toad, or something along those lines. Would fit with flavor too IIRC.

If they’re just a straight up cult that ends the game then idk how we could reasonably expect to win lol, and we just chalk the L up to bastard mechanics. So I’m pretty much discarding that notion.

I am here and I've been reading but I am super sick right now. Some kind of sinus infection or something and I do not feel well at all. I'm sorry guys I have to try to go sleep for awhile.
Just a couple thoughts before I go...

I could go either way on epi because of how he handled the dom lynch. I know he is not a teammate busser especially not the member that can be IDd as civ. So my original thought was that he could have tried to make a case in a different direction to get suspicion off dom but he also may have not wanted to defend him too hard if he got lynched.

Enrique has done pretty much nothing this whole game to even read. I recall spirityo saying I never mentioned him...because he hasn't even been here. I feel like I've played a game before where enrique got killed off as a civ because he basically checked in and then wasn't there.

I could see a case against sig. He didn't want to vote dom but basically had to because of self preservation. And if they're teammates then he really had to make sure dom got more votes.

Nova points out that it would make no sense for him to kill off mac because mac said he wouldn't vote for him. Eh maybe but mac had been kind of all over the place this game one minute he said dom was town then voted for him so idk how reliable that would be.


Shrug idk I do apologize for my poor performance my entire body hurts and I can't stare at the screen anymore right now.

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:11 pm @Rej let’s lynch nova

no lets lynch epi or enrique or whoever

also why people suddenly think about a cult lmao, this would be a multiball and quite bastard due to it belong to a secret mechanic from an indie

nonono, I wouldn't like it, I still think that the indie is a multivoter

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:16 pm

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:11 pm @Rej let’s lynch nova

no lets lynch epi or enrique or whoever

also why people suddenly think about a cult lmao, this would be a multiball and quite bastard due to it belong to a secret mechanic from an indie

nonono, I wouldn't like it, I still think that the indie is a multivoter

Let's lynch Sig. You gotta trust me, I fucking promise you I'm town lol.