Space Invaders [END]

[dunya]

the only thing i really disagree with here is re: tony. because he was the first person to scum read soneji and did it like as soon as soneji produced any content. also this was before nut had given a read on soneji so tony couldnt know nut would find soneji scummy when he made that read. so idk why hed do that to a teammate really. but the point you raise against him is also good. but i still lean just town for him. hrm

this isn't a normal mafia game, this is a game where if you bus a teammate or two, you might survive till end game through that cred which is why i give no one that cred.

except nutella. she is goat.

i don't care who suspects who when, i care about progression and contribution and whether i find those progressions and conclusions believable. someone could be wrong about 4/4 of their suspects but still come across town to me. tone and intent is everything.

but now you’re kinda doing the same thing you just called dizzy out for re: his paranoia of me. you town read tony so idk why you are feeling the need to say this and make me doubt my tr of him?

i'm saying i don't think tony bussed soneji. no one was suspecting soneji really, i mean nutella had him in her poe, but everyone else was fixated on other people. the mafia only have their numbers this game and every number counts. surviving 1 day with 4 members is always optimal than bussing and losing someone without necessary cause. what i am trying to say is it doesn't make sense for tony (or any maf) to bus for credit in a setup like this imo because they're not getting it.

and i retract my strong town read on tony and move him to my yellows despite that because....i feel like it.

[Alison]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] talk to me plz, anything, I just want to be able to read a post of yours without my eyes glazing over and walking away with no opinion of what you just said. My read on you is town and it's wholly based on the fact that you wanted Soneji shot, that's it.

If you need a conversation topic, what about my post on Caro above?

[dunya]

why did you tr allison off soneji interactions in the first place?

her name is alison with one l. sorry, the double l bothers me aesthetically lol.

based on him calling out and shading her d0 post then putting her in his bottom tier scum pile. it's a little thing, but i feel like it was unnecessary if soneji was w/w with alison. he could have bigger fish to dry, really.

[Alison]

dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it.

[Long Con]

Long Con
nutella
TonyStarkPrime
Hally
Epignosis
protocultures
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Carotenoid
MacDougall
Alison
dunya
Rej
Dyslexicon

LC you are another person I can't "wavelength" with so talk to me. What is with your reads on dunya and dizzy? I checked your ISO, you said dunya should be shot really early on for disagreeing with your mech strategy, and then basically never engage her, question her, push her, talk to her or anything, but bring her up as someone you'd like to see shot alonside dizzy and rej. Same with dizzy. Null interactions early on, sudden dive into suspicion - "dizzy is the bad apple" (#991) without any preamble or explanation why you suddenly found dizzy suspicious or what is it about dizzy you found suspicious. And then suddenly dizzy is the number one person you want to see dead and at the very bottom of your reads list.

You spend like the majority of your time talking with MacDougall, who is nullish on your reads list, and Hally, who's town. Why have you spent like no time constructing a case on Dizzy/Dunya and explaining why they're scum and should be shot if you're so convinced they're Alien?

Your read on them is like caro's read on me, possibly even worse since caro actually constructed a case and explanation as to why she felt my actions were scummy

I don't really have cases going. These are mostly gut feelings and my agreement/disagreement with existing cases and opinions.

[dunya]

for some reason I seem to be able to connect better with certain people's posts while others are just blanks/nulls and I like, instinctively skim over them.

dizzy, epi, dunya, tutuu etc. vs people like TSP/rej/LC who I legitimately can't seem to parse or read and want to engage with more

oops sorry hally and alison, i just saw the double l was addressed. im reading backwards. yikes.

anyway, i just wanna say i get you mean here tbh alison.

[dunya]

dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it.

yeah, i know it's no fault of your own. i just tend to townread people who are loose and fast and spontaneous over people who seem to be editing and mulling over their words.

i promise to iso you and try to keep in mind that it's just you're preferred style before i make new and improved poe after soneji's flip.

also, i'm locktowning epi and tutuu.

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

[Alison]

Long Con
nutella
TonyStarkPrime
Hally
Epignosis
protocultures
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Carotenoid
MacDougall
Alison
dunya
Rej
Dyslexicon

LC you are another person I can't "wavelength" with so talk to me. What is with your reads on dunya and dizzy? I checked your ISO, you said dunya should be shot really early on for disagreeing with your mech strategy, and then basically never engage her, question her, push her, talk to her or anything, but bring her up as someone you'd like to see shot alonside dizzy and rej. Same with dizzy. Null interactions early on, sudden dive into suspicion - "dizzy is the bad apple" (#991) without any preamble or explanation why you suddenly found dizzy suspicious or what is it about dizzy you found suspicious. And then suddenly dizzy is the number one person you want to see dead and at the very bottom of your reads list.

You spend like the majority of your time talking with MacDougall, who is nullish on your reads list, and Hally, who's town. Why have you spent like no time constructing a case on Dizzy/Dunya and explaining why they're scum and should be shot if you're so convinced they're Alien?

Your read on them is like caro's read on me, possibly even worse since caro actually constructed a case and explanation as to why she felt my actions were scummy

I don't really have cases going. These are mostly gut feelings and my agreement/disagreement with existing cases and opinions.

I'm going to be blunt here and say I think this is a fancy way of saying "I am a slanker". Like I get that gut reads exist and sometimes people just find nothing to comment about on a particular case and just agree with it. I get it and sometimes you have to ask for tolerance and for people to trust you when you say X is scum without any reasoning. But if your entire game is played like this then nobody has anything to engage with. I can't engage you on your biggest scumreads (who I think are town, ftr) because you have provided no explanations or reasons for me to talk to you about. If everything is "gut" or "I agree with other people" then you are playing in a way that's not meaningfully different from slanking because nobody can engage with you or try to understand your independent ideas and thoughts.

[Long Con]

I see nothing towny from LC they can be the next shot. I feel like they haven't put in a lot of effort, my bad if I missed it. Less effort than Tony so I would shoot LC first based off principle.

That's fair, I guess. It won't get you an Alien though.

oh yeah? getting flashbacks of ziggy when you literally said that as well and look what happened!

paging @nutella and @TonyStarkPrime to the convo ;p

Gonna need some proof on this dubious claim.

[Long Con]

Long Con
nutella
TonyStarkPrime
Hally
Epignosis
protocultures
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Carotenoid
MacDougall
Alison
dunya
Rej
Dyslexicon

LC you are another person I can't "wavelength" with so talk to me. What is with your reads on dunya and dizzy? I checked your ISO, you said dunya should be shot really early on for disagreeing with your mech strategy, and then basically never engage her, question her, push her, talk to her or anything, but bring her up as someone you'd like to see shot alonside dizzy and rej. Same with dizzy. Null interactions early on, sudden dive into suspicion - "dizzy is the bad apple" (#991) without any preamble or explanation why you suddenly found dizzy suspicious or what is it about dizzy you found suspicious. And then suddenly dizzy is the number one person you want to see dead and at the very bottom of your reads list.

You spend like the majority of your time talking with MacDougall, who is nullish on your reads list, and Hally, who's town. Why have you spent like no time constructing a case on Dizzy/Dunya and explaining why they're scum and should be shot if you're so convinced they're Alien?

Your read on them is like caro's read on me, possibly even worse since caro actually constructed a case and explanation as to why she felt my actions were scummy

I don't really have cases going. These are mostly gut feelings and my agreement/disagreement with existing cases and opinions.

I'm going to be blunt here and say I think this is a fancy way of saying "I am a slanker". Like I get that gut reads exist and sometimes people just find nothing to comment about on a particular case and just agree with it. I get it and sometimes you have to ask for tolerance and for people to trust you when you say X is scum without any reasoning. But if your entire game is played like this then nobody has anything to engage with. I can't engage you on your biggest scumreads (who I think are town, ftr) because you have provided no explanations or reasons for me to talk to you about. If everything is "gut" or "I agree with other people" then you are playing in a way that's not meaningfully different from slanking because nobody can engage with you or try to understand your independent ideas and thoughts.

I am a slanker.

[Alison]

dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it.

yeah, i know it's no fault of your own. i just tend to townread people who are loose and fast and spontaneous over people who seem to be editing and mulling over their words.

i promise to iso you and try to keep in mind that it's just you're preferred style before i make new and improved poe after soneji's flip.

also, i'm locktowning epi and tutuu.

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

that's good enough for me. thank you dunya.

[Hally]

tony/soneji stuff:

Spoiler: show

soneji kinda wolf got a funny thing

Also, I'm a bunker and I'm always going to be defending nutella. Don't waste your defense on me.

That should say "Don't waste your defense on nutella."

On the multikill nights more people need to protect me though right?

I only vaguely understand the setup....

and if Epi's an alien...

That should say "Don't waste your defense on nutella."

On the multikill nights more people need to protect me though right?

I only vaguely understand the setup....

2 people. You'll be fine. I promise. Epi and dun got ur back gurl

This is over is an alien laser shoots nutella. That's it.

Bunkers have limited protections. After I'm spent, someone else will need to carry on in my stead (or if I get killed).

This is about setting up a network of protections so that it's clear who failed and is therefore mafia.

regardless, I think this is town

Sow doubt on Epi, then swiftly call him town anyways:hmm

We publicly make a list of who protects who. When someone dies we know who lied

okay, but I'm not going through with this unless there are at least 2 people defending Nutella and possibly 3

@linki oh yeah and bunker protects are limited. It might be best to save them until endgame and just force the poe to protect Nutella each day

The PoE are almost always going to be the ones you least want protecting the Laser.


As for the strat I think is best : I'm good with the bottom four PoE strat for n1 only, otherwise think top 3 towncore should protect nutella on odd nights, top 4 towncore on even nights. Could mix in some of the middle of the pack to preserve some of the top towncores protects, best to adjust that as we go. On that first night, the middling PoE should use their protects on the towncore. On subsequent nights the bottom of the PoE should be protecting the towncore, with probably a double up on the very top of the towncore. Force aliens to shoot into bottom or middling Poe, or have to use two kills on even nights to kill one towncore and not even the best SPK they could get.

For simplicities sake, will lay out the first three nights :

N1 : Bottom four of the PoE assigned to protect nutella, while the next three lowest PoE protect the top 3 towncore.

N2 : Top three towncore+one middling PoE protect nutella, while the bottom three to four in the PoE protect the top 3 towncore. If four double up on the very top towncore SPK.

N3 : Top two towncore+one middling PoE protect nutella, bottom three PoE protects top three towncore.

With this we can shuffle enough to have top towncore with protects left up until late. It's a small game, so I think people are overestimating how conservative we need to be with protects. By the end of n4, there can be up to 10 deaths if the aliens succeed on both their double kills. Then n5 being an odd night needs only one towncore with a protect left alive to secure nutella's safety.


Now onto d1.

I also sort of scumread the strategy given. day 1 it's just protoculture's though basically? fine I guess

I owe Carotte 5-6 names.


the >rand alien section:

Mac
Alison
Long Con
Carotte
Rej
Soneji

in roughly that order.

top to bottom least likely to most likely. Alison/Carotte probably not w/w, Alison/Mac probably not w/w. For people who think Epi is a wolf, Alison/Epi probably not w/w. maybe Alison is just town. I'll check up, see if I can cross off any other pairings

these posts are all consecutive and to my knowledge were the first instance of anyone scum reading soneji

so off soneji’s first substantive post of the game, tony snap scum reads soneji and immediately drops soneji to the bottom of his poe

why does he have to do this as s/s with soneji? i could tinfoil that the immediacy with which this read is given is tmi-ing soneji scum, but why? scum!tony doesnt need to do that. its not like he was at the bottom of everyones poe and desperate for town cred

his EoD, which i can go through in another post, is also towny as hell. he’s actively trying to remove ppl from the poe and push nut to shoot soneji and rej. idk tony and maybe he is the kind of player to stomp his teammates before they even get a chance to play, but thinking that doesnt line up with my sense of him and just feels bad and wrong

there’s really no need to get lost in bussing tinfoil land before we shoot through the likelier suspects

[TonyStarkPrime]

I see nothing towny from LC they can be the next shot. I feel like they haven't put in a lot of effort, my bad if I missed it. Less effort than Tony so I would shoot LC first based off principle.

That's fair, I guess. It won't get you an Alien though.

oh yeah? getting flashbacks of ziggy when you literally said that as well and look what happened!

paging @nutella and @TonyStarkPrime to the convo ;p

literally why

[Hally]

Tutuu I’m not really around right now but I do want to try to engage with you on this. Look at eod 1. Nutella’s made up her mind to shoot Mac. I tell her not to, repeatedly. I start working up a defense of Mac. I point her to Soneji. Soneji gets shot by a laser.
Why would I do this as an alien?
Is it like exactly me/Mac/Alison? Trying to move to a less active partner and get some cred? I mean maybe. But that’s a very unlikely world.

yes, this is what i was just referring to saying your EoD was towny as hell. there’s no reason to do this as s/s with soneji when you could just have let mac get shot or something. it doesnt make any sense

[tutuu]

If Tony is town and LC and Rej are maf who is the third maf? Someone fooling all of us consistently?

[tutuu]

I just townread Nanook cuz of that thing at start of day 1.

Has he done a lot lately? I haven't been paying attention. Let me skim

[TonyStarkPrime]

Some quick mechanics to clear up. Epi is protecting Nutella. Nutella has, I believe, assigned some bottom of Poe names to defend her as well. These people need to confirm these orders.

[tutuu]

From my pov Nanook is ~fine in the same way Rej is ~fine, but I just can't compare his townyness to the likes of Dizzy and Alison and Hally etc.

[tutuu]

@nutella if you haven’t already, you should be dictating our protection plan relatively soonish.

I recommend three in the POE ordered to protect you, nobody else uses a protect.

ugh stop demanding I make the decisions I legit have no idea what the best strat is here


how about you/dunya/carot

rej is top suspect, not taking a risk there. I'd say those three names are very unlikely to all be alien so....?

[Alison]

I wrote up a readslist and realized I had almost everyone in the game as town or null, which means I should start re-evaluating my townreads big-time tomorrow. Currently I'm probably just going to go to sleep since it's 2am. The townreads I feel are most likely to be wolf in disguise are nanook, Mac and Epi and I will go over their ISOs first. Mechanically speaking TSP should be pretty damn close to confirmed because he basically killed Soneji with his bare hands unprovoked when Soneji was not at much risk of dying. And protocultures is the townread I am most certain of, I just do not think it is possible to fake that much paranoia and desperation for info, mingled with raw purity.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime talk to me plz, anything, I just want to be able to read a post of yours without my eyes glazing over and walking away with no opinion of what you just said. My read on you is town and it's wholly based on the fact that you wanted Soneji shot, that's it.

If you need a conversation topic, what about my post on Caro above?

I have no thoughts. Probably past the w/w point, I guess.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Thanks for grabbing that tutuu

[tutuu]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

[Alison]

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

This is a good starting point for my review of Mac. I think he is the player I have flipped opinions on the most throughout this game, going from hard scumreading him in Day 1, to coming around to him being town Day 2, and now re-evaluating my read on him again.

[Alison]

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

This is a good starting point for my review of Mac. I think he is the player I have flipped opinions on the most throughout this game, going from hard scumreading him in Day 1, to coming around to him being town Day 2, and now re-evaluating my read on him again.

[Alison]

why did that double post

[dunya]

ok, misread the OP - I thought each Bunker could only protect once. Apparently they have 4 shots. Still not enough to waste them on a mass protect of every player in the game.

for someone very articulate and conscious of their posts, i find this impossible to be a "scum slip". in that i find it very unlikely alison would post that as an alien.

Okay so I'm not the only one who thought that mightve been a slip.

It's not a slip. :P In games with open setups, if I forgot or am confused about some aspect of the game, I usually refer to the OP to check the game mechanics rather than my role PM so I don't have to leave the thread. I've done it both as town and scum before.

i believe this because i too do that.

(yes, I know it doesn't do anything, I just want to make it clear what my stance is from day to day)

Why do you feel the need to say this? Ppl already know that D0 votes work like this.

I mean, this is my first time playing on the site, I don't have any clue what people do or don't know so I opted for clarity since it costs me nothing. D0s are not standard practice in any site I've played in before.

this does not feel like w/w and i lean hard on alien reading macomir, so.

(yes, I know it doesn't do anything, I just want to make it clear what my stance is from day to day)

Why do you feel the need to say this? Ppl already know that D0 votes work like this.

I was JUST thinking about that, and why I put Alison at the bottom of my good pile.

It felt like a slightly forced entry to show people she is already hunting. We don't know why she finds epi worthy of a vote or anything else. Didn't like that part tbh.

Damn, I wasn't really looking at the whole post like that. I wasn't liking that pre-emptive defense with that part I selected. It's completely unnecessary.

this post by drago feels like he's a little too happy that the accusation sticks and can develop further.

read alison/epi fiasco. feels like town overwhelmed and genuinely trying to form a read on one of the most complex players i have played with (epi). genuine. could also be alien who made a mistake of choosing a shark to fry instead and getting eaten. undecided so no points on that one.

i don't know what to make of the dizzy game stalking post, but JJJ would be proud.


[mention]Alison[/mention], who is in your POE? i want genuine scum reads now.

[Alison]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

why carot?

also speaking of carot why is everyone just ignoring my post about carot's progression on me

[dunya]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

why do you townread carot?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

Not only should you not be fine with losing, but I don’t even think we lose to this team. Carot’s a standout.

Linki: people agree

[tutuu]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

why carot?

also speaking of carot why is everyone just ignoring my post about carot's progression on me

Nutella's plan is for Nanook/Dunya/Carot to be the only one protecting her, and everyone else holstering.

I'll check it later.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

why carot?

also speaking of carot why is everyone just ignoring my post about carot's progression on me

too long.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

why carot?

also speaking of carot why is everyone just ignoring my post about carot's progression on me

Nutella's plan is for Nanook/Dunya/Carot to be the only one protecting her, and everyone else holstering.

I'll check it later.

Oh yeah. Duh. I’m dumb.

[tutuu]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

Not only should you not be fine with losing, but I don’t even think we lose to this team. Carot’s a standout.

Linki: people agree

Saying I'm fine with losing to them is the same as saying I don't think we lose to them. Like, it's so unlikely, that if it were to happen, I would be "alright then"

[Alison]

dunya, I mentioned above a bit that I had basically the whole game as null or town. Caro is one of the players I think is suspicious, based on what I raised above about her progression on me. I might have better/firmer scumreads for you after I re-eval but as it stands my PoE is something like [Caro, LC, Rej] or something. Basically just Caro + two people I can't read. Everyone says Rej is scummy but frankly my eyes glaze over so hard when I read the stuff he writes I can't form an independent opinion on him so.

[Hally]

idk why you wouldn’t just take what i’m saying at face value given how well i know him. you aren’t wrong in the sense that if i was scum here i’d still tr and hard defend dizzy because doing anything less would out myself to him since he’d know i was bs-ing and would never not tr him when he is town. but you don’t know that.

uh, what now? you literally answered your own question. i said you're trying to pocket him. i think i know how to play mafia, so i don't need to know how you usually treat dizzy to make my own conclusions about what you could be doing in your posts. i make my own deductions based on your words and tone

you're approaching me in a very negative light despite never playing with me, or trying to tone read and understand why i am suspicious. if you expect to get an easy TR just cos dizzy told me you're town, that's not gonna happen with me tbh. ;p

yes, but my point is that you jump to the conclusion of me being scum pocketing him instead of the very real and more obvious conclusion that i’m just town who is using my experience with dizzy to accurately town read him. again, i would do the same as scum, but i dont see from your pov why you should weigh scum angle more than the more obvious town angle

sorry, but i don’t feel im being overly harsh or negative or rude to you or anything? you aren’t my main suspect by a long shot, to clarify. im merely suspecting you in a mafia game just as you’re suspecting me. it’s fine and not personal in the slightest on my end, nor do take it personally from you. this is a game and i consider you all my friends even though we’ve only just met!

[tutuu]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

why do you townread carot?

She is in my middle tier. Same as Nanook. You are in my top town tier, that's why I said that

[Alison]

the management of conflict and general "I want you to know that even if I scumread you I still like you as a person" sentiment on this site is a huge breath of fresh air compared to what I'm used to

[Hally]

Long Con
nutella
TonyStarkPrime
Hally
Epignosis
protocultures
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Carotenoid
MacDougall
Alison
dunya
Rej
Dyslexicon

please, can you talk to me about your read on dizzy? i havent seen you explain this yet or interact with him. and im not sure why you wouldnt talk to me about dizzy since you strongly town read me and know i have more experience with dizzy? i can clear up any concerns you have if you dont trust him enough to ask him, but you should also ask him too

[TonyStarkPrime]

the management of conflict and general "I want you to know that even if I scumread you I still like you as a person" sentiment on this site is a huge breath of fresh air compared to what I'm used to

oh lemme tell ya things can get heated here as well

[dunya]

I'm fine with losing the game to a Nanook/Dunya/Carot scumteam. I don't see it happening.

why carot?

also speaking of carot why is everyone just ignoring my post about carot's progression on me

Nutella's plan is for Nanook/Dunya/Carot to be the only one protecting her, and everyone else holstering.

I'll check it later.

but Epignosis protected her too so....idk what to do with that.

[dunya]

dunya, I mentioned above a bit that I had basically the whole game as null or town. Caro is one of the players I think is suspicious, based on what I raised above about her progression on me. I might have better/firmer scumreads for you after I re-eval but as it stands my PoE is something like [Caro, LC, Rej] or something. Basically just Caro + two people I can't read. Everyone says Rej is scummy but frankly my eyes glaze over so hard when I read the stuff he writes I can't form an independent opinion on him so.

can you take the player list and gun to your head, assign each player as either town or scum?

its a neat exercise where we decide GTH without lots of facts and evidence to back up our reads, what our intuition says.

i love it tbh

[tutuu]

the management of conflict and general "I want you to know that even if I scumread you I still like you as a person" sentiment on this site is a huge breath of fresh air compared to what I'm used to

Same. I played a game on EM once where 2 people claimed cop ccing each other on day 1 on an open setup, we lynched one of them, he flipped cop. On the next day as I was lynching the other one I was told by that person that I am a braindead imbecile who can't understand mafia even if it hit me in the face. I hammered him and he flipped doctor. True story

[tutuu]

(kinda funny)

[Hally]

Long Con
nutella
TonyStarkPrime
Hally
Epignosis
protocultures
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Carotenoid
MacDougall
Alison
dunya
Rej
Dyslexicon

LC you are another person I can't "wavelength" with so talk to me. What is with your reads on dunya and dizzy? I checked your ISO, you said dunya should be shot really early on for disagreeing with your mech strategy, and then basically never engage her, question her, push her, talk to her or anything, but bring her up as someone you'd like to see shot alonside dizzy and rej. Same with dizzy. Null interactions early on, sudden dive into suspicion - "dizzy is the bad apple" (#991) without any preamble or explanation why you suddenly found dizzy suspicious or what is it about dizzy you found suspicious. And then suddenly dizzy is the number one person you want to see dead and at the very bottom of your reads list.

You spend like the majority of your time talking with MacDougall, who is nullish on your reads list, and Hally, who's town. Why have you spent like no time constructing a case on Dizzy/Dunya and explaining why they're scum and should be shot if you're so convinced they're Alien?

Your read on them is like caro's read on me, possibly even worse since caro actually constructed a case and explanation as to why she felt my actions were scummy

this x1000

also the stuff you mention re: LC’s scum read on dunya is why im tinfoiling them as possibly paired. because i feel like theyve both been sussing each other on and off but dont actually seem interested in pushing the other at all? and their interactions at the start where dunya immediately told nut to shoot LC before he even posted and then scum read his very null entrance and then LC responded by omgusing dunya and telling nut to shoot her instead felt like scum theater to me. and then they both seemed to just drop it. bad feels

[dunya]

idk why you wouldn’t just take what i’m saying at face value given how well i know him. you aren’t wrong in the sense that if i was scum here i’d still tr and hard defend dizzy because doing anything less would out myself to him since he’d know i was bs-ing and would never not tr him when he is town. but you don’t know that.

uh, what now? you literally answered your own question. i said you're trying to pocket him. i think i know how to play mafia, so i don't need to know how you usually treat dizzy to make my own conclusions about what you could be doing in your posts. i make my own deductions based on your words and tone

you're approaching me in a very negative light despite never playing with me, or trying to tone read and understand why i am suspicious. if you expect to get an easy TR just cos dizzy told me you're town, that's not gonna happen with me tbh. ;p

yes, but my point is that you jump to the conclusion of me being scum pocketing him instead of the very real and more obvious conclusion that i’m just town who is using my experience with dizzy to accurately town read him. again, i would do the same as scum, but i dont see from your pov why you should weigh scum angle more than the more obvious town angle

sorry, but i don’t feel im being overly harsh or negative or rude to you or anything? you aren’t my main suspect by a long shot, to clarify. im merely suspecting you in a mafia game just as you’re suspecting me. it’s fine and not personal in the slightest on my end, nor do take it personally from you. this is a game and i consider you all my friends even though we’ve only just met!

oh hey, you're awesome and im not offended by you in the slightest! i hope i didn't offend you but if i did, i'm very sorry!

as a town player, i don't give easy town reads to people i don't have experience with tbh. i can't base my reads on someone else's push for me to town read someone. i have to be convinced wholeheartedly of it. why is it strange for you that a townie who's never played with you before would approach you with caution instead of total trust?

[Hally]

the only thing i really disagree with here is re: tony. because he was the first person to scum read soneji and did it like as soon as soneji produced any content. also this was before nut had given a read on soneji so tony couldnt know nut would find soneji scummy when he made that read. so idk why hed do that to a teammate really. but the point you raise against him is also good. but i still lean just town for him. hrm

this isn't a normal mafia game, this is a game where if you bus a teammate or two, you might survive till end game through that cred which is why i give no one that cred.

except nutella. she is goat.

i don't care who suspects who when, i care about progression and contribution and whether i find those progressions and conclusions believable. someone could be wrong about 4/4 of their suspects but still come across town to me. tone and intent is everything.

but now you’re kinda doing the same thing you just called dizzy out for re: his paranoia of me. you town read tony so idk why you are feeling the need to say this and make me doubt my tr of him?

i'm saying i don't think tony bussed soneji. no one was suspecting soneji really, i mean nutella had him in her poe, but everyone else was fixated on other people. the mafia only have their numbers this game and every number counts. surviving 1 day with 4 members is always optimal than bussing and losing someone without necessary cause. what i am trying to say is it doesn't make sense for tony (or any maf) to bus for credit in a setup like this imo because they're not getting it.

and i retract my strong town read on tony and move him to my yellows despite that because....i feel like it.

...okay, but why?

[dunya]

also the stuff you mention re: LC’s scum read on dunya is why im tinfoiling them as possibly paired. because i feel like theyve both been sussing each other on and off but dont actually seem interested in pushing the other at all? and their interactions at the start where dunya immediately told nut to shoot LC before he even posted and then scum read his very null entrance and then LC responded by omgusing dunya and telling nut to shoot her instead felt like scum theater to me. and then they both seemed to just drop it. bad feels

to my credit, i opened his iso but it is so lacking in actual game-relevant content it didn't interest me at the time to pursue it. i'm behind in the game and isos and there are meatier isos for me to get through. remember, i skipped d1, so a lot of my reads haven't been built on yet. i'm getting caught up, but also it's slow and whatever.

the dance gifs were cute tho tbh.

[Hally]

dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it.

yeah, i know it's no fault of your own. i just tend to townread people who are loose and fast and spontaneous over people who seem to be editing and mulling over their words.

i promise to iso you and try to keep in mind that it's just you're preferred style before i make new and improved poe after soneji's flip.

also, i'm locktowning epi and tutuu.

and i am noting mac's appeal to emotion to get me to change my mind and his flipped reaction in handling me. he is saying i'm an alien in his poe, but treating my suspicion on him as town tunneling him.

but why dont you town read me then? am i not fast and loose and spontaneous? because i feel that description fits me better than almost anyone this game. whats your suspicion on me based on? is it just the dizzy stuff or something else?

[Hally]

From my pov Nanook is ~fine in the same way Rej is ~fine, but I just can't compare his townyness to the likes of Dizzy and Alison and Hally etc.

id definitely like to see nanook do more solving for sure. some stuff hes said does strike me as town though