The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm fwiw im having trouble finding my footing in this game. there's a lot of meta so it makes it harder to jump into my scumhunting, and i also don't feel particularly inclined to sort all 20+ players like i would in a normal game

i'm probably just going to hang out in this thread until i find something worth talking about, and also ISO people of interest that im trying to read more carefully. something about tim's tone earlier in the thread bothered me quite and i wanna figure out why

What’s your favorite soup and why is it chicken corn chowder?

it's actually lobster bisque, but i'm not a big soup person. i absolutely hate french onion soup

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm fwiw im having trouble finding my footing in this game. there's a lot of meta so it makes it harder to jump into my scumhunting, and i also don't feel particularly inclined to sort all 20+ players like i would in a normal game

i'm probably just going to hang out in this thread until i find something worth talking about, and also ISO people of interest that im trying to read more carefully. something about tim's tone earlier in the thread bothered me quite and i wanna figure out why

What’s your favorite soup and why is it chicken corn chowder?

it's actually lobster bisque, but i'm not a big soup person. i absolutely hate french onion soup

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:44 pm SPF LOCK TOWN NEVER RECONSIDER

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:45 pm Well, heck.

I have played the mow intensity goof off game I wanted to play, but now it is three hours to the midpoint of the day, where I post my day one reads, and I got nothin' in particular and haven't taken any notes from which to come up with anything.

Low intensity goofing off turns out to just be procrastination and now I have to make up for it.

Not amused.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:44 pm SPF LOCK TOWN NEVER RECONSIDER

nice we did it

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm fwiw im having trouble finding my footing in this game. there's a lot of meta so it makes it harder to jump into my scumhunting, and i also don't feel particularly inclined to sort all 20+ players like i would in a normal game

i'm probably just going to hang out in this thread until i find something worth talking about, and also ISO people of interest that im trying to read more carefully. something about tim's tone earlier in the thread bothered me quite and i wanna figure out why

What’s your favorite soup and why is it chicken corn chowder?

it's actually lobster bisque, but i'm not a big soup person. i absolutely hate french onion soup

wolfy af

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:44 pm LOBSTER BISQUE GOAT, FRENCH ONION SOUP WOAT

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:44 pm SPF LOCK TOWN NEVER RECONSIDER

oh no

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:31 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:37 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:37 pm Idk dude usually sprit is a hard read but this game he feels super townie to me

Especially his interaction with broseph earlier it just reeked of tired townieness

This was addressed to SPF fwiw

i have zero meta on spirit but i thought the way he handled mac's fos on him was pretty awkward

With the knowledge they have a bit of a history

To me it felt like “I’m tired of doing this with joe every time I roll town, I’m gonna try something else this time”

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:48 pm [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

TAKE YOUR FRENCH ONION SOUP TO THE GRAVE CAUSE WE WONT EAT IT

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:48 pm [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

TAKE YOUR FRENCH ONION SOUP TO THE GRAVE CAUSE WE WONT EAT IT

more for me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:48 pm [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

TAKE YOUR FRENCH ONION SOUP TO THE GRAVE CAUSE WE WONT EAT IT

more for me

YOU CANT EAT IF YOURE DEAD, YOU FILTHY COMMIE

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:21 pm @juliets Where did you go? Are you still catching up?

Yes, but I'm tired of catching up so I'm reading the current discussion. I have some people I'm leaning town on right now and they are in no order:

Mac
sprityo
Alison
tutuu
Dizzy

I can probably name some more tonight as I read more or look at some iso.s These are mostly tone reads except for Alison who I find myself shaking my head in understanding/agreement with for many of her posts.

I'm also feeling better about ted. He has a particular tell I look for when he's wolf that I will watch for (I won't share it unless I see it).

i dont exactly love you coming back from your catch-up to echo the consensus townreads with no reasoning beyond "tone". it's fine if you tr these people but i hope to see more thoughtful analysis/reasoning from u

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:45 am

yea yea whatever

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Now why is the JPIC read interdasting?

un momento por favor as i go back to pull up exactly what you said

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:50 pm I actually can't eat French Onion Soup, but would if I could.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:50 pm Alison: makes a well thought out case on Samusamu

The rest of the town: but what about lobster bisque

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:00 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:59 amlol

I see you are taking the "hard claim mafia" defensive strategy.

Nevermind mac. there was nothing interesting. nothing youve said is interesting. It's 100% entirely you. I was hoping since i head read ahead you mightve actually been productive but all we have to go off of is your good word which is bullocks.

But I'll do as you requested. Better to have a vote in play than to not [VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

Will I actually go ISO JPIC to see if I think he's scummy? nah not now at least. Day 1 and all. I should just sheep and slank

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:33 pm [VOTE: Samusamu] aubergine

let's go

what he's so pure though

I stanned him in g9 and I'm stanning him now

I actually agree! It was why I was townreading him at first!

But, like, his reads are so bad and disagreeable, and then there was that really, really weird accusation that came totally out of the blue of Mac being Rogue.

Has anyone else even mentioned Rogue besides that joke claim at the very start of the game? No, we've all forgotten that the 3P exists. We're focused on the town vs mafia aspect of the game. Not Samu though! He remembers Rogue exists. Rogue is on his mind, to the point where he rejects much more natural conclusions ("Mac is a mixed bag" "Mac is null" "I can't sort Mac") in favor of a real reach to call Mac 3P. I genuinely believe that this is a >>rand 3P tell, and I can show you a game where 3P outed their alignment exactly like this.

It would explain all the stuff I found confusing about him. He seems so agenda-less and his tone is so pure because he really doesn't have an agenda (or at least not the kind of agenda we expect from scum), and he really isn't trying to manipulate anyone. He's doing something completely different from the war between town and scum. He's giving reads like they're obligatory, because he isn't really invested in solving. They're bad reads because he doesn't put thought into them and he doesn't follow up on them, but they aren't constructed to feed a certain narrative or undermine certain players because he genuinely doesn't care.

To me this read makes a lot of sense and it ties all the threads of Samu's behavior together neatly. I'd really like to sit on this wagon and see how far I can ride it.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:52 pm @Alison

I'm concerned because he's been catching up that your read on him thinking about the rogue may not be as pertinent as it would be to a player who started on d0? It might still be fresh for samu

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:55 pm also i was going to wait to out this but i actually scumread hally's content so far. if they are town then they will almost definitely towntell a lot but i was underwhelmed with their catch-up posts. don't @ me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:29 pm Nanook feels like he's floundering amongst the overt towniness of the game.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:58 pm if one of spf/hally is a wolf i'd pick spf rn but hmmm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:46 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:45 pm Well, heck.

I have played the mow intensity goof off game I wanted to play, but now it is three hours to the midpoint of the day, where I post my day one reads, and I got nothin' in particular and haven't taken any notes from which to come up with anything.

Low intensity goofing off turns out to just be procrastination and now I have to make up for it.

Not amused.

Come sheep my wagon on Samu! I have actual reasons!

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:50 pm Alison: makes a well thought out case on Samusamu

The rest of the town: but what about lobster bisque

Ive had lobstert bisque once. It sucked and was too thick for my tastes

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:58 pm if one of spf/hally is a wolf i'd pick spf rn but hmmm

this reaction immediately makes me worried that you are taking advantage of my paranoia on hally to frame us as having to contain one scum

im getting the sense that your playstyle is just something im gonna be paranoid about tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:33 pm [VOTE: Samusamu] aubergine

let's go

what he's so pure though

I stanned him in g9 and I'm stanning him now

I actually agree! It was why I was townreading him at first!

But, like, his reads are so bad and disagreeable, and then there was that really, really weird accusation that came totally out of the blue of Mac being Rogue.

Has anyone else even mentioned Rogue besides that joke claim at the very start of the game? No, we've all forgotten that the 3P exists. We're focused on the town vs mafia aspect of the game. Not Samu though! He remembers Rogue exists. Rogue is on his mind, to the point where he rejects much more natural conclusions ("Mac is a mixed bag" "Mac is null" "I can't sort Mac") in favor of a real reach to call Mac 3P. I genuinely believe that this is a >>rand 3P tell, and I can show you a game where 3P outed their alignment exactly like this.

It would explain all the stuff I found confusing about him. He seems so agenda-less and his tone is so pure because he really doesn't have an agenda (or at least not the kind of agenda we expect from scum), and he really isn't trying to manipulate anyone. He's doing something completely different from the war between town and scum. He's giving reads like they're obligatory, because he isn't really invested in solving. They're bad reads because he doesn't put thought into them and he doesn't follow up on them, but they aren't constructed to feed a certain narrative or undermine certain players because he genuinely doesn't care.

To me this read makes a lot of sense and it ties all the threads of Samu's behavior together neatly. I'd really like to sit on this wagon and see how far I can ride it.

i actually like this read because it's incredibly common for mafia/3p to project their roles onto other players without realizing it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:28 pm A butt load of people have town cleared themselves. Its fine for there to be a lot of town reads. The town that are relatively inclined to vanity hunt should reserve their desire to do so for day 1.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?

/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy

*ahem*

Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.

Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 amRe: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!

Lol tutuu is actually scum.

That's Nanook and Tutuu down.