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Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am
by alexa
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:06 am I for one am townreading lime because he is totally different to how he was d1 in the last game in which I immediately read him as scum.

Until proven otherwise I believe I have a godread on this man.
this is a fine way to read him most of the time

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am
by Transcend
ilario wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:56 am PSA: IF TRANSCEND EVER FLIPS MAF THIS GAME NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER READ HIM FOR SPEW. HES REALLY GOOD AT SPEWING HIS TEAM TOWN AND IF HES MAF IM SURE HE WOULD HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO START DOING THIS THE MOMENT HE FELT ANY REAL PRESSURE
Yeah mwahaha

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am
by Wiml
Need 5 players to lock the game and alexa and illario are honestly freebies and should never be miselimned this game without me even needing to explain that lol.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:59 am
by Transcend
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:06 am I for one am townreading lime because he is totally different to how he was d1 in the last game in which I immediately read him as scum.

Until proven otherwise I believe I have a godread on this man.
I barely read that game but why did you think he was scum that game?

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:59 am
by MacDougall
ilario wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am There was a game where I was hard tunneling spf the entire game and was certain she was maf, and then just the day before trans flipped scum and after reading his iso I was convinced she was town and momentarily became one of my strongest trs
This just makes me suspect him more because I've felt like he was acting for an agenda that wasn't townsolving at least once. Particularly in the way he has been handling wiml.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:00 am
by Wiml
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am Sorry explain what? Substitute where I said pressure for the word suspicion instead.
By suspicion do you mean literally just Alison?

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:00 am
by MacDougall
Transcend wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:59 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:06 am I for one am townreading lime because he is totally different to how he was d1 in the last game in which I immediately read him as scum.

Until proven otherwise I believe I have a godread on this man.
I barely read that game but why did you think he was scum that game?
I don't remember exactly. His early game was just scummy. Maybe he just felt like he had a nervous scum energy. Uncomfortable.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:01 am
by Transcend
ilario wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am There was a game where I was hard tunneling spf the entire game and was certain she was maf, and then just the day before trans flipped scum and after reading his iso I was convinced she was town and momentarily became one of my strongest trs
Sry bby

We so would've won that game if jess didn't put super in her list lmao

She snowed the hell out of us and i'm still scarred by it and I wasn't even town

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:01 am
by MacDougall
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:00 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am Sorry explain what? Substitute where I said pressure for the word suspicion instead.
By suspicion do you mean literally just Alison?
Have I not suspected you?

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:02 am
by MacDougall
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am Need 5 players to lock the game and alexa and illario are honestly freebies and should never be miselimned this game without me even needing to explain that lol.
Gutsy play if wolf cuz I am gonna take these as town locks if you flip and they almost certainly are.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:02 am
by Transcend
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:00 am
Transcend wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:59 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:06 am I for one am townreading lime because he is totally different to how he was d1 in the last game in which I immediately read him as scum.

Until proven otherwise I believe I have a godread on this man.
I barely read that game but why did you think he was scum that game?
I don't remember exactly. His early game was just scummy. Maybe he just felt like he had a nervous scum energy. Uncomfortable.
I will give u that he doesn't appear comfortable

I'm not locking in on this read either, I want to see how he handles today

The last thing I want to do is confbias myself on free town

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:02 am
by Transcend
*uncomfortable

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:03 am
by Transcend
Can i sleep without waking up to an 8 person wagon

I rlly just want to vibe this game

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:04 am
by alexa
matt i dunno why you're acting like brad's scumrange is massive
like he can keep up as wolf but i think his energy is very clearly different
i'm not reading his ISO because i'm still in catch up mode but i'd be surprised if he wasn't just town

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 am
by Transcend
alexa wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:04 am matt i dunno why you're acting like brad's scumrange is massive
like he can keep up as wolf but i think his energy is very clearly different
i'm not reading his ISO because i'm still in catch up mode but i'd be surprised if he wasn't just town
Kay

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 am
by Transcend
I have one final thought then i'm terminating my existence from this game temporarily

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 am
by Transcend
Ahem

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 am
by alexa
Transcend wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:03 am Can i sleep without waking up to an 8 person wagon

I rlly just want to vibe this game
this will depend on how my read on brad progresses
if he continues to get townier then i will probs keep my vote on you because i'm not sure your push is in good faith

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 am
by MacDougall
Transcend wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:02 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:00 am
Transcend wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:59 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:06 am I for one am townreading lime because he is totally different to how he was d1 in the last game in which I immediately read him as scum.

Until proven otherwise I believe I have a godread on this man.
I barely read that game but why did you think he was scum that game?
I don't remember exactly. His early game was just scummy. Maybe he just felt like he had a nervous scum energy. Uncomfortable.
I will give u that he doesn't appear comfortable

I'm not locking in on this read either, I want to see how he handles today

The last thing I want to do is confbias myself on free town
Yo I said he felt like that in the other game not this one. Dont be misrepresenting me ya nerd.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 am
by Transcend
its omlette time so im get pan its makes big oil for pay good than needs brake tie for learn and make eggs brain omlette for good taste its get great mind body im make than its big crash im see whats happen but may be im not its big explosion im scare so its go home than can see its lock for door im badfeel so thinks alil bit for good idea its all way for get out for scumbrain needs time for go away but badfeels its scare for not make goodthink im gett sauce pan for hide needs see its maker shue for safefeel than its badtime im go for tire look for car its find no time for think its go im take sauce pan no pastasauce im sad but nerds go than im on hi way its flycar for gotime needs awhile may be than see its big cross im goodfeel not pay good for think but im ssee its right so its get car for steel than drvie fast its on hi way im go low than see its big car w blue red lite im scare its honk for earpain so im go fast its big chays for fun im goodfeel may be its wind im smell fell than its stop im not why no needs thinktime but im get lime for make soda no its drink pastasauce for live more than im go its seer big car go fast for past all in its get chip im for fish needs bet so im give than no take its dad for seeds than big gro for goodfeel so its hospitoltime for rest im feel big scare so witeman come in its for see feel im love needs more smell than bigscum ik so its get done for take pick im ferl right makes time right may be needs drink its get soda more for frrlgood its big art im like so now its drive fast for go im see lesgo may be low way for live train get scumwag so its goodstroy for needs tell may be its come back for cooktime so im get omlette its ok for feeltime needs taste may be gets somr salt pep for seeson its right than takes off for pan makes goodsee im like

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 am
by alexa
Transcend wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 am its omlette time so im get pan its makes big oil for pay good than needs brake tie for learn and make eggs brain omlette for good taste its get great mind body im make than its big crash im see whats happen but may be im not its big explosion im scare so its go home than can see its lock for door im badfeel so thinks alil bit for good idea its all way for get out for scumbrain needs time for go away but badfeels its scare for not make goodthink im gett sauce pan for hide needs see its maker shue for safefeel than its badtime im go for tire look for car its find no time for think its go im take sauce pan no pastasauce im sad but nerds go than im on hi way its flycar for gotime needs awhile may be than see its big cross im goodfeel not pay good for think but im ssee its right so its get car for steel than drvie fast its on hi way im go low than see its big car w blue red lite im scare its honk for earpain so im go fast its big chays for fun im goodfeel may be its wind im smell fell than its stop im not why no needs thinktime but im get lime for make soda no its drink pastasauce for live more than im go its seer big car go fast for past all in its get chip im for fish needs bet so im give than no take its dad for seeds than big gro for goodfeel so its hospitoltime for rest im feel big scare so witeman come in its for see feel im love needs more smell than bigscum ik so its get done for take pick im ferl right makes time right may be needs drink its get soda more for frrlgood its big art im like so now its drive fast for go im see lesgo may be low way for live train get scumwag so its goodstroy for needs tell may be its come back for cooktime so im get omlette its ok for feeltime needs taste may be gets somr salt pep for seeson its right than takes off for pan makes goodsee im like
lmao

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:07 am
by Wiml
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:02 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am Need 5 players to lock the game and alexa and illario are honestly freebies and should never be miselimned this game without me even needing to explain that lol.
Gutsy play if wolf cuz I am gonna take these as town locks if you flip and they almost certainly are.
Correct and you *probably* should.

I'll re-ISO them later on just to be confident but these are sheepable reads tbh. Ideally I can make enough strong towncases before EoD to literally just lock the game and I honestly think that's going to be fairly easy looking at the players we have here.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:07 am
by Wiml
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:01 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:00 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am Sorry explain what? Substitute where I said pressure for the word suspicion instead.
By suspicion do you mean literally just Alison?
Have I not suspected you?
Yeah but your suspicion is useless to me.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:08 am
by ilario
Transcend wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:01 am
ilario wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:58 am There was a game where I was hard tunneling spf the entire game and was certain she was maf, and then just the day before trans flipped scum and after reading his iso I was convinced she was town and momentarily became one of my strongest trs
Sry bby

We so would've won that game if jess didn't put super in her list lmao

She snowed the hell out of us and i'm still scarred by it and I wasn't even town
tbh there was a lot of strong play from everyone involved that game

my d1/d2 coulda been a lot better though

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:08 am
by Transcend
Wiml is towntelling

Ok bye

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:09 am
by alexa
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:19 am Also, does Transcend have a volume tell? I'm regretting signing up to a capless game where I go to bed and wake up to 180-posters lol.
he does not. it's all dependent on the time he has for the game, very NAI

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:10 am
by Transcend
alexa wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:09 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:19 am Also, does Transcend have a volume tell? I'm regretting signing up to a capless game where I go to bed and wake up to 180-posters lol.
he does not. it's all dependent on the time he has for the game, very NAI
Thank you

I fucking hate getting sorted by activity

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:10 am
by Transcend
BYE

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:10 am
by Wiml
Nook exists.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 am
by ilario
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:10 amNook exists.
not for long :grin:

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 am
by Transcend
Man i even have a screenshot on my lappy that I made but didn't post because y'all were getting annoyed by me

I'll post it tomorrow if i didn't lose the link lol

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 am
by Transcend
It's of one of the vcs

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:13 am
by Transcend
I am sick in the head why am i so magnetized to this thread why can't i sleep like a normal human

Bye

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:13 am
by ilario
I don’t reckon anyone was actually annoyed tbh

I feel like wimls comment he made was in jest

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:14 am
by Wiml
ilario wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:13 am I don’t reckon anyone was actually annoyed tbh

I feel like wimls comment he made was in jest
I don't know what comment I made but yes I'm not annoyed at anyone in this game.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am
by Wiml
What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:20 am
by Wiml
TSP can be town for dumb reasons though tbh.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
by TonyStarkPrime
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?
reverse post count tell

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
by ilario
alexa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:26 pm
alexa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:58 pm Can people please shut up about their townreads? If you townread someone, don't say anything. Keep your townreads alive.

Only YOU can protect townreads.
I used to think like you

Then I took an arrow to the knee and became enlightened
that was a copypasta. :P I out townreads all the time.
unfortunately I don’t have any real reads yet and all the snap-opinions I have are hedgy so I’m going to keep them to myself until further notice
LMAOOOOO @alexa ur so pure, his response to u was also a copypasta that u took seriously :P

(i was going through mine and urs iso cos i got distracted and didnt feel like scumhunting)

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:22 am
by Wiml
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?
reverse post count tell
Pretty much the same for me lol but people tend to notice less since my posting floor is pretty high regardless.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:23 am
by alexa
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:31 am
Esooa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:00 pm alexa maybe a wolf
Fwiw I also slightly wolfread alexa's entrance, I just didn't feel like outing the read at the time (since if she rands town then there's no need to even think about your read on her lol).
ah didn't realize Wiml had this read on me then came around so fast
Wiml is probably a villager

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:25 am
by Wiml
alexa wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:23 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:31 am
Esooa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:00 pm alexa maybe a wolf
Fwiw I also slightly wolfread alexa's entrance, I just didn't feel like outing the read at the time (since if she rands town then there's no need to even think about your read on her lol).
ah didn't realize Wiml had this read on me then came around so fast
Wiml is probably a villager
Are you taking on the mantle of responding from random places in the thread?

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:26 am
by alexa
ilario wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
alexa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:26 pm
alexa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:58 pm Can people please shut up about their townreads? If you townread someone, don't say anything. Keep your townreads alive.

Only YOU can protect townreads.
I used to think like you

Then I took an arrow to the knee and became enlightened
that was a copypasta. :P I out townreads all the time.
unfortunately I don’t have any real reads yet and all the snap-opinions I have are hedgy so I’m going to keep them to myself until further notice
LMAOOOOO @alexa ur so pure, his response to u was also a copypasta that u took seriously :P

(i was going through mine and urs iso cos i got distracted and didnt feel like scumhunting)
LMAOOOO OH

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:26 am
by alexa
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:25 am
alexa wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:23 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:31 am
Esooa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:00 pm alexa maybe a wolf
Fwiw I also slightly wolfread alexa's entrance, I just didn't feel like outing the read at the time (since if she rands town then there's no need to even think about your read on her lol).
ah didn't realize Wiml had this read on me then came around so fast
Wiml is probably a villager
Are you taking on the mantle of responding from random places in the thread?
i'm still trying to read from where i left off while falling asleep while also keeping up in real time so once i get to the part where i was at when i get here this morning i'll be good

and also multi-tasking with work calls so i'm a turtle

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:28 am
by TonyStarkPrime
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?
reverse post count tell
Pretty much the same for me lol but people tend to notice less since my posting floor is pretty high regardless.
i think for me it's more that as town I can post any amount but like 9 times out of 10 I'm not exercising thread control or forming coalitions. As a wolf I'm at least trying to have control in any case

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:35 am
by Wiml
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:28 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?
reverse post count tell
Pretty much the same for me lol but people tend to notice less since my posting floor is pretty high regardless.
i think for me it's more that as town I can post any amount but like 9 times out of 10 I'm not exercising thread control or forming coalitions. As a wolf I'm at least trying to have control in any case
Yeah I get the idea behind this. I know Esooa touched on it briefly earlier but I'm very much a compulsive control freak and that's very hard for me to hide when I rand wolf lol.

Speaking of this topic though, this is one of the wolf tells I originally had on Ender. Him trying to take charge = him being a wolf. I'm going to look at his other wolf game in a moment to see if he acts that way even after I outed that as his tell or not.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:40 am
by ilario
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:35 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:28 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?
reverse post count tell
Pretty much the same for me lol but people tend to notice less since my posting floor is pretty high regardless.
i think for me it's more that as town I can post any amount but like 9 times out of 10 I'm not exercising thread control or forming coalitions. As a wolf I'm at least trying to have control in any case
Yeah I get the idea behind this. I know Esooa touched on it briefly earlier but I'm very much a compulsive control freak and that's very hard for me to hide when I rand wolf lol.

Speaking of this topic though, this is one of the wolf tells I originally had on Ender. Him trying to take charge = him being a wolf. I'm going to look at his other wolf game in a moment to see if he acts that way even after I outed that as his tell or not.
do you tihnk he would try to take charge in this table though if he randed wolf?

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:40 am
by Wiml
EnderWiggin wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:05 pm Damn, you were way before I joined.
I have been playing mafia sites since like 2008. I am an old mafia player =P
I was barely more than a toddler in 2008 lol.

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:43 am
by alexa
Esooa thinking she caught Wiml in a slip feels villagery

Re: Buckets: War of the GOATs

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:46 am
by Wiml
ilario wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:40 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:35 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:28 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:21 am
Wiml wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:16 am What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?
reverse post count tell
Pretty much the same for me lol but people tend to notice less since my posting floor is pretty high regardless.
i think for me it's more that as town I can post any amount but like 9 times out of 10 I'm not exercising thread control or forming coalitions. As a wolf I'm at least trying to have control in any case
Yeah I get the idea behind this. I know Esooa touched on it briefly earlier but I'm very much a compulsive control freak and that's very hard for me to hide when I rand wolf lol.

Speaking of this topic though, this is one of the wolf tells I originally had on Ender. Him trying to take charge = him being a wolf. I'm going to look at his other wolf game in a moment to see if he acts that way even after I outed that as his tell or not.
do you tihnk he would try to take charge in this table though if he randed wolf?
Yes, especially if he randed after with me though after I absolutely smeared this all over as his big wolf tell lol.

I'm looming at the wolf game he just played and I think there's clearly an effort on his part to tone down the seriousness early on compared to the wolf gane of his I read a while back tbh. He still leaves RVS very early but he's also not immediately jostling to be a leader.

Honestly this is probably a bad read that I mostly just pushed as an excuse to make extra townreads as a wolf and sort of convinced myself in the process, I think he's aware enough of it that it's just completely NAI for him now. and I vaguely recall him saying in that wolf game "wait until you see me meme as a wolf" anyway. I'm not going to push it any further tbh.