The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:38 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:20 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:52 pm

I have a PM that says so.

Is a lack of town reasons the same as being scum? Asking for a friend
The state of the game has me going that route.

It’s not a lot of posting. No new info has been revealed until now with rondo.

The end of D1 ended with our hero jack on Seanzie. Leads to a high possibility of scum not around end of day.

And if there WAS scum around, 2 active scum could have swayed that lynch

Nook wasn’t around EoD.

Nor were you, nor was dyson or…ilario?
Wait, what are we at lynch wise? You told me we hit Maf D1, what about D2?
…what? You mean, like, you’re saying you don’t know who has died or what they’ve flipped?

You can’t be serious right now
I can and I am.

Ok, but why am I catching shit for not lynching town?
It’s the sum of it all.
You also didn’t vote at all on D1, which is probably not AI but it fits my narrative that there was max 1 person in the Seanzie train.

Your presence or lack there of is something we have to come to terms with or else you’ll continue to skate by until we lynch all the talkers.

Share some reads

Show why you’re a predator of the skies you’re meant to be

What if there's not a wolf amongst the slankers?

I'm a fan of lynching Gav still. Tho he just showed up in our Neighborhood with a doozy of a post, so that may change.

Sometimes I don't want to be a falcon. I just want to be a fat pigeon. Its cold and rainy and I am lethargic at the end of summer

Gav is certainly someone that is in the POE.

I stepped on a dead pigeon today and my dog wanted to roll in it, so that wasn’t ideal

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:40 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:37 pm And as much as Falcon is my strongest gut yeet, we need to yeet Dyson at some point because he's either

1) a wolf or
2) half solves the game or
3) is a townie faking that claim and lol wtf are you even doing

and like wolves are never gonna shoot Dyson if he's town.

Then again, it's not like I'm ever going to yeet any of his targets before then so it's not all that useful of a flip if he is in fact telling the truth.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:41 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:36 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:30 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:26 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:26 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:22 pm Kinda.... wish Dyson would've selected null players and not ones already in the town core...
Same
ok I read Dyson as town now, low town but still town.

do you back that up?
It's a weird claim for maf. Tbh tempted to flip because that gives us 4 ics effectively but that is probably bad play
<narrows eyes>
3

Jack is probably just townsave?

Which makes 4?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:42 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:07 pm Rondo is probably actually town unless someone else has a saving ability

There's a decent chance there is another one just because doctor is so standard but Rondo is probably town anyway for his play yesterday.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:43 pm**

That’s the most broken ability I’ve ever heard of.

My ability is actual horseshit compared to a triple cop check on N2. You just gotta last til N2?

And Ender my boy, are you really defending that right now?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:44 pm**

Btw can we like not attempt to read people off the wording of their rolecards
@Lime Coke @Dyson sphere @RondoDimBuckle

I don't mean to be a dick but that's pretty well against the spirit of the game.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:46 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:42 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:07 pm Rondo is probably actually town unless someone else has a saving ability
There's a decent chance there is another one just because doctor is so standard but Rondo is probably town anyway for his play yesterday.

anything specific?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:46 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:43 pm That’s the most broken ability I’ve ever heard of.

My ability is actual horseshit compared to a triple cop check on N2. You just gotta last til N2?

And Ender my boy, are you really defending that right now?

Defending the maybe check? Weird ability or fake from a mafia. Also not something I can see him coming up with himself. (No hate)

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:47 pm**

Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:20 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:04 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:03 pm I had a special ability that I could only use in night 2. I used it and I learned that ilario, Rondo and Scotty are town. Wow, what a quality post this is. Everybody, you're welcome.
Does it just list 3 town?
No, I had to target 3 players and the result would say either fail = all 3 are town, or not fail = at least one of them not town. But since the result said fail, I interpret this data meaning that those 3 players are town.
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:05 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:03 pm I had a special ability that I could only use in night 2. I used it and I learned that ilario, Rondo and Scotty are town. Wow, what a quality post this is. Everybody, you're welcome.
A) what is the name of this ability and B) why did you check these 3?
The role card didn't provide a name, it was just a text box without a title.
Because I was looking to find three town players, so I targeted the three whom I had the most interactions with. And the result hopefully means they're town.

Which means, if you can believe me, that the four of us are confirmed town. If you still lynch me, I will flip town, so you will have proof that what I said was honest.
If someone of those three flips, they will be town. If they were mafia, that would mean my action was broken. I guess. But it's probably correct as I laid out.

ok hmmmmm

Let me think from the perspective that this is true.

Those names were probably a good check to clear us, because in this case, selecting not-town-read people would result in a fail, which helps in identifying one mafia of many players. Maybe this role isn’t as broken as I thought if used appropriately. I don’t know if Martin foresaw this use, because it IS a broken role if it returned back as you say.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:48 pm**

If Dyson flips town it means I can stop my tinfoil of scotty and ilario

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm**

Literally, that’s one of the two way the power works so I don’t see how it can be a real power that Martin didn’t foresee possibly returning this result.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm**

Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP

If we add Dyson to poe then we still have solve lmao

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Literally, that’s one of the two way the power works so I don’t see how it can be a real power that Martin didn’t foresee possibly returning this result.

Well, the odds are actually not fantastic to return a positive except just by picking the top town names. Say dyson had picked anyone in the POE, returned negative, the ability is shit because plausible deniability in all 3 of the targets. Renders the role almost useless. Finding all 3 town is helpful for clearing.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:53 pm**

Hell, if we agree Jack town we can even add me

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:54 pm**

And I mean we can probably bump jack up into the towncore unless ilario has some cool stuff to say and can offer more info on the block/save.

Plus Ender, you are waiting to talk about your watch

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:54 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:53 pm Hell, if we agree Jack town we can even add me

Eh not yet

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:54 pm**

You know what?

Dyson > if he flips town then

Falc > TSP > Gav >Ender wins the game except in the exact circumstance that Jack is scum

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:55 pm**

Confirmed Town:
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Gavial > falcon > TSP > Dyson > Ender > jack?

What other order would you put?
Dyson and Ender are interchangeable for me

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:55 pm**

That last post is to win over you tinfoilers

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:56 pm**

Maybe move Jack up?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:56 pm**

If we want to do this Dyson has to flip first

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:56 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:54 pm You know what?

Dyson > if he flips town then

Falc > TSP > Gav >Ender wins the game except in the exact circumstance that Jack is scum

Yeah, just did the math. You right

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:56 pm**

Because him being lying scum could be hiding partner in those 3

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:57 pm**

And if we flip him late then he maybe wins with ic hidden partner

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:57 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:56 pm Because him being lying scum could be hiding partner in those 3

You might be right, because this gambit could buy him enough time to evade the POE maybe

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:58 pm**

We can only trust that poe if Dyson green

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:58 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:53 pm Hell, if we agree Jack town we can even add me

explain?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:59 pm**

[VOTE: Dyson] aubergine

Thank you for your service. I now think you might flip green but know that when you do you'll narrow the game down to a laser point

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:00 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP

Yeh. Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scott
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 3 of Jack/Ender/Tony (maybe not Tony).

That’s not like an impossible scenario for the wolves but it is one where the wolves have to kill a mechanically confirmed player 3 nights in a row.

For Dyson to be telling the truth, I’ve been pocketed by a wolf who specifically isn’t Ilario, Scotty or Rondo and Martin put that ability in this game. Looking at 2 of Falcon, Gavil, Tony, Ender. And Falcon is kinda antialigned with Tony and Gavil.

For Dyson to be lying, Dyson just has to be lying.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:01 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:58 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:53 pm Hell, if we agree Jack town we can even add me
explain?

Maths

Rondo/Scotty/Ilario/Jack town =

Dyson/Falcon/TSP/Gav = at least f3 with me/Jack...

Wait save = even number

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:04 pm**

Well if we townread me and Jack it's auto? Lmao.

Also it's LC who is the one I forgot

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:04 pm**

Okay nm

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:04 pm**

Not auto, pre-coffee brain dumb

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:05 pm**

Still need more info

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:06 pm**

I still want to kill falcon lol

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:07 pm**

God my role sucks and is actually negative utility in this game state

Wish I had a cool info role

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:07 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Literally, that’s one of the two way the power works so I don’t see how it can be a real power that Martin didn’t foresee possibly returning this result.
Well, the odds are actually not fantastic to return a positive except just by picking the top town names. Say dyson had picked anyone in the POE, returned negative, the ability is shit because plausible deniability in all 3 of the targets. Renders the role almost useless. Finding all 3 town is helpful for clearing.

I mean, it’s still really powerful.

Target 3 towncore = confirmed towncore or confirmed deepwolf
Target 2 towncore and 1 poe = basically a check on the poe person

The ability is only shit if you target 3 sus players and get back that they aren’t all town. Even if you do that, there’s a slim chance of getting back they’re all town, which is also really powerful.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:09 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Literally, that’s one of the two way the power works so I don’t see how it can be a real power that Martin didn’t foresee possibly returning this result.
Well, the odds are actually not fantastic to return a positive except just by picking the top town names. Say dyson had picked anyone in the POE, returned negative, the ability is shit because plausible deniability in all 3 of the targets. Renders the role almost useless. Finding all 3 town is helpful for clearing.
I mean, it’s still really powerful.

Target 3 towncore = confirmed towncore or confirmed deepwolf
Target 2 towncore and 1 poe = basically a check on the poe person

The ability is only shit if you target 3 sus players and get back that they aren’t all town. Even if you do that, there’s a slim chance of getting back they’re all town, which is also really powerful.

Or that there could be a mole in the towncore. Still would risk a couple mislynches

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:13 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP
Yeh. Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scott
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 3 of Jack/Ender/Tony (maybe not Tony).

That’s not like an impossible scenario for the wolves but it is one where the wolves have to kill a mechanically confirmed player 3 nights in a row.

For Dyson to be telling the truth, I’ve been pocketed by a wolf who specifically isn’t Ilario, Scotty or Rondo and Martin put that ability in this game. Looking at 2 of Falcon, Gavil, Tony, Ender. And Falcon is kinda antialigned with Tony and Gavil.

For Dyson to be lying, Dyson just has to be lying.

I am so worried that Ender ending up in POE turns out to be Scum

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:14 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Literally, that’s one of the two way the power works so I don’t see how it can be a real power that Martin didn’t foresee possibly returning this result.
Well, the odds are actually not fantastic to return a positive except just by picking the top town names. Say dyson had picked anyone in the POE, returned negative, the ability is shit because plausible deniability in all 3 of the targets. Renders the role almost useless. Finding all 3 town is helpful for clearing.
I mean, it’s still really powerful.

Target 3 towncore = confirmed towncore or confirmed deepwolf
Target 2 towncore and 1 poe = basically a check on the poe person

The ability is only shit if you target 3 sus players and get back that they aren’t all town. Even if you do that, there’s a slim chance of getting back they’re all town, which is also really powerful.
Or that there could be a mole in the towncore. Still would risk a couple mislynches

Yeah but suppose you target like Scotty, Lime, Falcon and get there’s a wolf.

Yeet Falcon and he flips town.

Now that’s mechanical confirmation that at least one of 2 towncore members is a wolf, which is pretty good. You were gonna flip Falcon anyway.

Btw, these yeet orders that end with Ender….unless I did math wrong, we’ve got too many yeets because F3 is Jack/Ender/??? Assuming of course that there aren’t 2 wolves in Jack/Ender/???

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:15 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP
Yeh. Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scott
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 3 of Jack/Ender/Tony (maybe not Tony).

That’s not like an impossible scenario for the wolves but it is one where the wolves have to kill a mechanically confirmed player 3 nights in a row.

For Dyson to be telling the truth, I’ve been pocketed by a wolf who specifically isn’t Ilario, Scotty or Rondo and Martin put that ability in this game. Looking at 2 of Falcon, Gavil, Tony, Ender. And Falcon is kinda antialigned with Tony and Gavil.

For Dyson to be lying, Dyson just has to be lying.

secondarily my tin foil says it could also be Jack blocked because he was killing

TSP is just blah this game

I hate that lylo so much but there isnt much we can do

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:17 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP
Yeh. Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scott
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 3 of Jack/Ender/Tony (maybe not Tony).

That’s not like an impossible scenario for the wolves but it is one where the wolves have to kill a mechanically confirmed player 3 nights in a row.

For Dyson to be telling the truth, I’ve been pocketed by a wolf who specifically isn’t Ilario, Scotty or Rondo and Martin put that ability in this game. Looking at 2 of Falcon, Gavil, Tony, Ender. And Falcon is kinda antialigned with Tony and Gavil.

For Dyson to be lying, Dyson just has to be lying.
secondarily my tin foil says it could also be Jack blocked because he was killing

TSP is just blah this game

I hate that lylo so much but there isnt much we can do

I mean, at this rate, we could get another peek or save and just win.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:19 pm**

Actually

if Dyson has another shot, they kill him before or during night 4 because he will confirm 3 more town

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:23 pm**

Can we yeet Dyson so I can stop saying stuff like “Assuming we yeet Dyson and he flips town”?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:24 pm**

Can we talk about the results from yesterday first?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:25 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP

It's D3 and we have 4 confirmed town? What's the criteria?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:25 pm**

Dyson - Scotty, Lime
Gaviel - Falcon, Nanook, TSP
Nanook - Ender, Gaviel, Rondo, Jack
TSP - Dyson Ilario

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:25 pm**

Legit if we’re gonna yeet both anyway, there’s not an actual reason to yeet Dyson over Falcon regardless of their alignments except in the case of town Falcon that can mechanically self confirm tonight.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:26 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP
It's D3 and we have 4 confirmed town? What's the criteria?

ok you seriously arent paying any attention to whats going on, I am soft blocking you till you read

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