The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

You know... About the time to catch up on the game. It's just Ilario doing mafia things, I don't think Johanna is the correct kill, either Ilario or Lime Coke should die.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:14 am I would appreciate NAA announcing his votes. :P

I mean I also feel pocket paranoia from ilario, but I don't know that it means anything real.

I would love to see more of Comrade Eternal President Dolby, but I haven't seen anything concerning from him atm. Waiting for more G-Man content, and nobody is being tangibly suspicious to my eyes.

If I should get the tinfoil hat I would say perhaps two people in the second triad

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Dizzy, SoA, ilario

could be partnered wolves

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or even Jay/Sloonei???

but I'd rather start looking for someone who is individually scummy, or conversely by confirming enough town,

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but I don't trust myself there.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:11 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

You know... About the time to catch up on the game. It's just Ilario doing mafia things, I don't think Johanna is the correct kill, either Ilario or Lime Coke should die.

Can you explain why you even think I’m mafia? What mafia things am I doing? Town reading you Is the only thing I can think of that’s of a benefit to mafia. I do feel as though fighting for your innocence is probably a benefit to the mafia since you seem to have very overly confident reads with no basis on a lot of slots I think are town and that you’re just very impossible to work with, which is a gold mine archetype player that scum teams love to see. Trust me mate you don’t need to worry about being nkd like you think you will, something tells me you’re going to live very far into the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

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ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:19 am [VOTE: falcon
] aubergine

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

So how does a pirate like you end up leading a townreads list? Pirates are famous for villainy and booty.

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NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:21 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:11 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am


Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

You know... About the time to catch up on the game. It's just Ilario doing mafia things, I don't think Johanna is the correct kill, either Ilario or Lime Coke should die.

Can you explain why you even think I’m mafia? What mafia things am I doing? Town reading you Is the only thing I can think of that’s of a benefit to mafia. I do feel as though fighting for your innocence is probably a benefit to the mafia since you seem to have very overly confident reads with no basis on a lot of slots I think are town and that you’re just very impossible to work with, which is a gold mine archetype player that scum teams love to see. Trust me mate you don’t need to worry about being nkd like you think you will, something tells me you’re going to live very far into the game.

Let's start with a base of my town reads which are in order:

JJJ Sloonei Dyslexicon Falcon

Now we go with your town reads:

JJJ, Dyslexicon, SOA, NAA, Johanna, am I missing anyone?

For one, you keep focusing on the fact that I've switched my reads or that I call you mafia than actually thinking about how that can be consolidated.

Like, if we were both right on our most confident reads, the game would be pretty easy right?

Ilario NAA Dyslexicon JJJ Falcon Johanna SOA

Mafia is exactly: Dolby, G-Man, Marmot.

I go, wait a second, this doesn't really work... Either I'm wrong on Falcon, OR something is wrong with what Ilario is pushing and he refuses to evaluate it, OR we're both wrong on someone in which case we take the L.

So yeah, if you want out of my PoE, you have to at least construct some kind of world that we live together in. But yeah, label me as uncooperative when you didn't really make even a base level effort of compiling our reads on your own .

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 am
Wanna talk about Marmot?

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 am I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?

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It can't be normal

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:19 am [VOTE: falcon
] aubergine

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:36 am I'm probably overvaluing JJJ and Sloonei but with SPF poisoned and yesterday's Triad thing I should think that automatically makes their association +town.

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yay town

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 am
Wanna talk about Marmot?

Isn't that funny?

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I think it is!

I guess I would if I had anything to say! Except I forgot he existed.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am That is correct, but the hole in that plan is that I do not trust your ability to read at.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:38 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Which angles would you like to push?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:37 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 am I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?

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It can't be normal

I don't think Lime Coke is a consensus town read. I'm iffy on him, at the very least.

No one has anything to read G-man off of. He is a suspect by virtue of not being able to be town-read.

Is TSP just a "lock" because of his claim?

Marmot should be a fairly memorable player. He's been around. I'd recommend perusing his ISO.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am I have evaluated my reads. I had jjj and sloonei as confident towns coming into the day, I no longer do. That is what evaluation is. I haven’t felt the need to re-evaluate my other reads because I have not felt any red flags from either of them. Nor will I just because someone insists I do based on a “quick halfassed” skim they have done of the game. If you want me to re-evaluate on someone I tr then give me a proper reason to do so and I will.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:39 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am That is correct, but the hole in that plan is that I do not trust your ability to read at.

This is a joke right? I posted this:

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

We both agree on the top 3, and TSP claim was something I didn't have at the time, so I remove them and it's more like:

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

Johanna

G-man

Now we have 2 mischops left, so let's just assume you and Johanna are mischops for a moment, my PoE still grants us a 50% shot at victory from a position where 7 players are voting 7 different ways which I guarantee is a lower probability than what I've got in my PoE.

I'm taking Falcon out as my town (which you disagree with) - but by your own reads, you can't come to the conclusion that my reads are bad when your only objection to it being a winning PoE is Falcon being removed. Like, your argument about "Well I can't trust your reads, but I'm trying to cooperate" is such B.S.

I don't get what you're missing or if it's just that you belong in my PoE and this PoE is winning. Like you ask me to explain my read (this is not the read that lead me to the conclusion), but the conclusion is that your play around me makes no sense, you still refuse to even surface level digest my PoE.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:38 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Which angles would you like to push?

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am I have evaluated my reads. I had jjj and sloonei as confident towns coming into the day, I no longer do. That is what evaluation is. I haven’t felt the need to re-evaluate my other reads because I have not felt any red flags from either of them. Nor will I just because someone insists I do based on a “quick halfassed” skim they have done of the game. If you want me to re-evaluate on someone I tr then give me a proper reason to do so and I will.

I missed this, but yeah, if JJJ and Sloonei are no longer reads, then you have no reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:37 am I don't think Lime Coke is a consensus town read. I'm iffy on him, at the very least.

No one has anything to read G-man off of. He is a suspect by virtue of not being able to be town-read.

Is TSP just a "lock" because of his claim?

Marmot should be a fairly memorable player. He's been around. I'd recommend perusing his ISO.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:38 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Which angles would you like to push?

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am I think Johanna seems town.

@ilario what is your present view of Son of Anarch?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

Yes, but has your read on her changed?

I think she's town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:46 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

Yes, but has your read on her changed?

I think she's town.

TBD.

Why is she town?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:39 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am That is correct, but the hole in that plan is that I do not trust your ability to read at.

This is a joke right? I posted this:

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

We both agree on the top 3, and TSP claim was something I didn't have at the time, so I remove them and it's more like:

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

Johanna

G-man

Now we have 2 mischops left, so let's just assume you and Johanna are mischops for a moment, my PoE still grants us a 50% shot at victory from a position where 7 players are voting 7 different ways which I guarantee is a lower probability than what I've got in my PoE.

I'm taking Falcon out as my town (which you disagree with) - but by your own reads, you can't come to the conclusion that my reads are bad when your only objection to it being a winning PoE is Falcon being removed. Like, your argument about "Well I can't trust your reads, but I'm trying to cooperate" is such B.S.

I don't get what you're missing or if it's just that you belong in my PoE and this PoE is winning. Like you ask me to explain my read (this is not the read that lead me to the conclusion), but the conclusion is that your play around me makes no sense, you still refuse to even surface level digest my PoE.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am I think Johanna seems town.

@ilario what is your present view of Son of Anarch?

Fell off today but still towny enough

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:46 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

Yes, but has your read on her changed?

I think she's town.

TBD.

Why is she town?

I do wish you would be as cooperative as you expect Axehole to be.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am I mean it's probably mostly because I don't know him and the thread has not revolved around him and I have not been talking to him, mostly, that he slipped my mind.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:46 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:23 am @Johanna hi my vote is on you, but I know nothing about you! Talk to me about the game. Say any things you want, feel free to bring up any topics you think are under-represented in the discussion so far, or reiterate old points, or whatever.

I think Johanna has been talking for a while now, has your read on her changed?

I'm aware she has been talking. I'm trying to engage her directly because that's the most helpful way for me to read folks, especially when they are new to me.
What is your read on her?

Yes, but has your read on her changed?

I think she's town.

TBD.

Why is she town?

I do wish you would be as cooperative as you expect Axehole to be.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:47 am tell me what makes everyone in your poe scummy so I can help digest it.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:37 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:19 am [VOTE: falcon
] aubergine

I have a feeling I’m going to regret asking this. But let me try anyway. Did you read the end of the day yesterday? I had the perfect opportunity to vote you and have you elimmed, has that factored at all in your read of me?