The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:19 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:13 am @DrWilgy I have no idea when you have or have not done that exact thing as mafia. That is more specific than I am going to get with a meta read. Is Mac in the “town core”?

It appears so.

Even if it is just a 2 person core from what I've seen of the thread so far and trying to exclude my own bias. Other potential core members who are being read as town potentially include Boc, you, maybe Alison. It is early but I see it developing.

I'm not sure how to read this other than like, resigned and disappointed that a towncore is forming.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Why are you voting Creature currently, given I'm voting them, and you have him ranked higher in your list here?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Why are you voting Creature currently, given I'm voting them, and you have him ranked higher in your list here?

list isn't in order

my vote is fluid

meh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Why are you voting Creature currently, given I'm voting them, and you have him ranked higher in your list here?

list isn't in order

my vote is fluid

meh

What's the point of a list that is fluid, & that's out of order?

Hey folks, my allergies have been killing me all evening, and playing mafia doesn't feel feasible. I won't be around until near the deadline. I'll try to catch up and participate at that point.

JJJ def has better scum reads than me right now, & Nate's vote is lazy.



Of the 2, Nate is my pick for scum. Jay feels like he's trying to get towny activity out of me with his vote.



I have a sneaking suspicion that Maf are kinda letting town do their work for them currently, with a town voice in their crew.


So 1 Maf amongst the more vocal, with 1 -2 amongst the mid level contributors and 1-2 amongst the slanking players

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Why are you voting Creature currently, given I'm voting them, and you have him ranked higher in your list here?

list isn't in order

my vote is fluid

meh

What's the point of a list that is fluid, & that's out of order?

... did you read what I am proposing?

this list doesn't need to be in order

if you're going to take umbrage with logic at least gain context you wolfy ass mofo lol

also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 am Hey folks, my allergies have been killing me all evening, and playing mafia doesn't feel feasible. I won't be around until near the deadline. I'll try to catch up and participate at that point.

>_> @EnderWiggin pls

Good morning all. Those who voted dizzy: why?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:16 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:09 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:03 am @Dyslexicon Two things

1) What is your favourite kind of burrito
B) What is your game state read?
%) If you had a vig who is gone and why?

@fingersplints and @Marmot same question.

Spoiler: show

(Fingersplints cant say me just calling it ahead of time)

1) I don’t usually eat burritos. I like things spicy and with lots of cheese though
B) only read my mentions so far, so nothing sticking out to me
%) I actually wouldn’t have picked you lol My gut would say falcon but as they are leading right now that would be a waste.
Probably Alison. I don’t think I’m particularly good at reading her so she can fool me easily into thinking she is town with her usual analytical tone. Maybe someone else I can’t read well. Like wilgy or marmot whose game style is difficult for me to read

Really? I thought you would be super pissed about our last game still. Glad to see its all G

Also dont eat burritos? [VOTE: Fingersplints ] aubergine

I assume you're not going to read the full game?

I dont hate the Alison call personally but that is just bias I think. Marmot cant be that bad? He wants people to vote for him

Don’t worry it’s cool. I honestly didn’t even remember until you mentioned it lol Life is to short to waste time being mad about mafia

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Why are you voting Creature currently, given I'm voting them, and you have him ranked higher in your list here?

list isn't in order

my vote is fluid

meh

What's the point of a list that is fluid, & that's out of order?

... did you read what I am proposing?

this list doesn't need to be in order

if you're going to take umbrage with logic at least gain context you wolfy ass mofo lol

Am I taking umbrage? Do you truly see me as a camtankerous player thus far?



Can you articulate your read on my slot beyond first impression gut feels?


I read your proposal, and a 4 player POE that...it sounds like you're saying at least 2/3 (tho it's phrased ad tho all scum need be in the list) Maf must be in the group of else the game is lost...on D1...



Does Mac own a private bomb shelter for him own personal use?


Is the game over if a D1 POE of 4 turns out to be pure? Why? Seems rather...knee jerky? Is that a thing in Koala Country?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Something vexes thee?

falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:36 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 am Hey folks, my allergies have been killing me all evening, and playing mafia doesn't feel feasible. I won't be around until near the deadline. I'll try to catch up and participate at that point.

>_> @EnderWiggin pls

If you have a reason that doesn't start with Allergies go for it.

Why are you asking me permission to push people now?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:54 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:36 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 am Hey folks, my allergies have been killing me all evening, and playing mafia doesn't feel feasible. I won't be around until near the deadline. I'll try to catch up and participate at that point.

>_> @EnderWiggin pls

If you have a reason that doesn't start with Allergies go for it.

Why are you asking me permission to push people now?

No I am making sure I am not a dick and pushing people like I did to fingersplints. Because I would totally call this out as bullshit ATE otherwise

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Something vexes thee?

lol yes your transparent alignment... i just haven't got the fucks to give pretending like it goes beyond "is obvious" and all your prodding at me is just annoying me in the same way a parent tickling a child annoys the child

Just pretend anything that has to do with irl is NAI.

Don't judge people on their activity and just do reads on their content/reads/pushes and you won't be.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Something vexes thee?

lol yes your transparent alignment... i just haven't got the fucks to give pretending like it goes beyond "is obvious" and all your prodding at me is just annoying me in the same way a parent tickling a child annoys the child

In this example it sounds like you're the child?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:19 am Just pretend anything that has to do with irl is NAI.

Don't judge people on their activity and just do reads on their content/reads/pushes and you won't be.

ok

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Something vexes thee?

lol yes your transparent alignment... i just haven't got the fucks to give pretending like it goes beyond "is obvious" and all your prodding at me is just annoying me in the same way a parent tickling a child annoys the child

In this example it sounds like you're the child?

correct

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:27 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am also i said my vote is fluid not the list jesus christ lol

Something vexes thee?

lol yes your transparent alignment... i just haven't got the fucks to give pretending like it goes beyond "is obvious" and all your prodding at me is just annoying me in the same way a parent tickling a child annoys the child

In this example it sounds like you're the child?

correct

oh youd like that, youd like to be soooo innocent wouldnt you?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:37 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:28 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:35 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:42 pm Lmao I think it is fun!

I feel like thread state-wise, Rando is rand>town. Aside from being funny, I feel like they have made some tonally townie posts. Example: the one where they talk about AtE, not wanting to omgus Alison, then votes Alison. I am not sure at all how Rando approaches the game, but I don't think a scum player there would break the "lmao this is so funny that you're tunnelling me" spiel so quickly. I think these are things scum are more interested in keeping consistent.

I don't have any experience with Rondo's scum game in specific, but I don't get the sense that he'd be particularly interested in keeping things consistent as scum; he seems like a bit of a troll and someone who intentionally does random things for fun, and those seem like part of his personality and would be expressed as either alignment.

I agree with you on the troll part. That is not why I am town leaning him though, as I explain in that post you're quoting tbh

Am I misreading your post? It sounds like you're townreading Rondo for being inconsistent, when I think he'd be inconsistent as either alignment.

I think his "AtE" post thing is inconsistent, yeah, but not like troll inconsistent. I think that post opened up a window to Rando's actual thoughts and I don't see why he, as scum, would feel the need to do that or even slip up so quickly with it tbh.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:57 am Another reason to make an unpopular town read/town reading a fellow "weirdo" is that it causes waves in the thread tbh!

If Rando is town, I am potentially stealing a misyeet from scum. If Rando is scum, I might make him sweet up to me, lower his guard, and it can prompt other town to figure him out!

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:38 am I saw it as him throwing out a line of unverifiable bullshit about how he felt when I attacked him coupled by a lack of convincing emotional followup to that claim, nestled in genuine trolling/chaos generation. I also saw that sequence as opening a window to his actual thoughts, but in a way that looked bad for him.

I'll admit I'm not the best Rondo reader in the world, but I struggle to see how talking nonsense followed by contradicting yourself is something that we should townread someone for. I am setting Rondo aside for now though in deference to Mac's (and yours, I guess) read.

Who is Rando?

Oh
Your name is Rondo lmao

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:56 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:51 pm why do you have that feeling of disquiet? @EnderWiggin

It's like...

Gamestate feels like something's off with it.

But I have townreads on a chunk of the more active people.

But it doesn't feel like wolves are being boxed in right now.

D1 gamestate reads are bad, I know, but I just feel like I'm missing something and idk who I'm missing.

It is flimsy and probably an Achilles' heel of mine, but I usually read posts like this as townie

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 am Hey folks, my allergies have been killing me all evening, and playing mafia doesn't feel feasible. I won't be around until near the deadline. I'll try to catch up and participate at that point.

I was building up to push you but now that feels like morally wrong tbh

Or at least that I have made an assumption that is NAI

Will write something longer soonish and place a vote

I think Creature is town

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

Hmmm

Creature has several strings of posts next to each other containing game related stuff. I am still peeved by him ignoring my question, but I have learned the hard way that someone ignoring you doesn't make them scum.

I lean him town because of the post strings (on phone rn so can't quote them).

I had early misgivings on Falcon due to his change of tone from the quali, but I decided to not push there but read what else he'd produce, since it is a weak thing to scum read someone for. The fact that Falcon got pushed by a few peeps made me think that Falcon could be a set-up for D1 misyeet but I haven't really felt any townie vibes from Falcon so..

Marmot is the player has the most scum equity. He isn't taking part of much discussion, is basically just there trying to stay relevant. However now when I know that he has been away because of allergies, it does feel like my conclusion is made on wrong premises. Again, I am comparing qualis, but I wolf read Marmot that game and he was town. He also contributed a lot to discussion. Now I have felt some of Marmot's posts surface townie but lacking in content. Another thing is Marmot complaining about us posting a lot, when he was a high poster in his quali.

Those are my takes

Town:
Mac
Lucy
Alison
Rondo
Seanize
Nate? (Feels like the same approach as in his quali)
JJJ?
Creature?
Ender?

Neutral:
Finger
Wilgy (I respect Alison's take there tho)
Dizzy

Scum leans:
Falcon
Marmot

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:32 am Town:
Mac
Lucy
Alison
Rondo
Seanize
Nate? (Feels like the same approach as in his quali)
JJJ?
Creature?
Ender?

Neutral:
Finger
Wilgy (I respect Alison's take there tho)
Dizzy

Scum leans:
Falcon
Marmot

I like the activity but you said just above that Falcon may be mislynch but keep him in your hard scum leans?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:35 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:32 am Town:
Mac
Lucy
Alison
Rondo
Seanize
Nate? (Feels like the same approach as in his quali)
JJJ?
Creature?
Ender?

Neutral:
Finger
Wilgy (I respect Alison's take there tho)
Dizzy

Scum leans:
Falcon
Marmot

I like the activity but you said just above that Falcon may be mislynch but keep him in your hard scum leans?

I don't have any hard scum leans
I am worried about my Falcon read yeah, considering the push on him, but I also need to respect where my read is instead of walking around it. There are times where the thread is correct on D1 so. I voted Marmot over Falcon anyway tbh

Whaddya mean with "like the activity" btw?

I'm currently juggling irl and reading champ qualis, but hopefully I can re-read the thread before eod and see if my takes change tbh

I have questions about the authenticity of some of falcon's play. A few examples:

~ I already mentioned his initial reception of Seanzie and I. I don't see a thread of logic that connects our early town leans to a "difference check", and the dichotomy presumed by a difference check is not one I care for.

~ When prompted to talk about his own reads, it's memes and gifs. That's fine in moderation, but I don't think it's being done in moderation. This might relate to the observation Nate made first about the awkward mix of gaming and shitposting.

~ Some gotcha moments that just look fake. I didn't like falcon's motion against Creature, just grabbing four posts Creature made in succession, voting, and doing a gif. On this page his treatment of Mac gives a similar impression. "Why vote out of order in your POE list of four players" -- even if the order was truly misinterpreted, the implication that Mac has to honor some precise order of operations is kinda bunk.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:56 am Whaddya mean with "like the activity" btw?

Not that you are inactive, but the thread was

I have a vague impression that fingersplints is trying to sort the game, even if we cannot see all of it in actual posts. There are nuggets and hints to suggest it. This is not a strong read and should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's my initial gun-to-head view.

@Seanzie please talk to me about Ender a little bit. If you could summarize your suspicion in a sentence or two, how might you do so

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 amJay feels like he's trying to get towny activity out of me with his vote.

Let's say for the sake of argument that this assertion is true (nevermind whether or not it actually is): would you say that you have responded to my vote in a way that promotes that objective?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

This is a strong moment from Alison. The assertion about falcon's handling of Mac is valid enough, I think, but what I appreciate is that the observation happened at all. There's an inherent layer of solve-mindedness necessary to derive this observation in real time. It's not merely that falcon is defending himself, but also that falcon is doing so with a negative impression of Mac (whether implied or overt) that doesn't seem to have direction. I can understand that perspective, and I think it relates to my previous notion of a "gotcha".

@lucy you seem to have lost some steam. What's happening

General question for anyone:

If you had to name four solid town reads as of right this moment, who are they?

If you wish to answer and don't have four names, get as close as you can.

I'd like to review interactions to this point to start getting a more complete world view. My time is quite restricted due to work, so I would call upon my teammates to help me out. Anyone out there want to take a stab at a classical Jay chart -- not the whole thing, just a piece by way of volunteering? These things are generally most valuable when collaborative. Ask champs s7g6. Let's get the gears churning on this mafia murdering machine.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:44 am falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

Theres something in the wording of "I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong" that throws me off

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:00 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:56 am Whaddya mean with "like the activity" btw?

Not that you are inactive, but the thread was

Aah alright tbh

Shall we do falcon, Marmot or NateTheLesser?

Or do you want to convince me on another player?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:49 am Shall we do falcon, Marmot or NateTheLesser?

Or do you want to convince me on another player?

I'm leaning the three unless it's Dyslexicon taking advantage of "Dizzy would play harder as wolf" or Mac got Alison like she is a purring cat.