The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Interesting.

Considering Made doesn't seem to be even trying any more, I agree with the last statement.

Wrong. I'm just trying my hardest to remain calm, as being outspoken and hostile is grounds for suspicion. Fanned if I do, damned if I don't I suppose.

Also in the interest of winning this game: This is the first night I know I won't die. Mafia will try to kill me during the day using my suspicion from last night. You guys(mafia) might watch out tho, you'd be surprised how fast popular opinion can change, people will only believe so many curses.

Bullzeye wrote:What is your theory?

I'm confident I'd be allowed to say, but I'm waiting for MR to clarify the rules.

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Interesting.

Considering Made doesn't seem to be even trying any more, I agree with the last statement.

Wrong. I'm just trying my hardest to remain calm, as being outspoken and hostile is grounds for suspicion. Fanned if I do, damned if I don't I suppose.

Also in the interest of winning this game: This is the first night I know I won't die. Mafia will try to kill me during the day using my suspicion from last night. You guys(mafia) might watch out tho, you'd be surprised how fast popular opinion can change, people will only believe so many curses.

I would be incredibly surprised if the baddies try to kill you. Tony needs you alive so he can skate by another lynch. The amount of heat on you right now is nuclear, a baddie would be stupid to kill you. Are you seriously trying to imply my curse was faked? Go back and read those posts then compare them to every other one I've ever made.

Bullzeye wrote:

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Interesting.

Considering Made doesn't seem to be even trying any more, I agree with the last statement.

Wrong. I'm just trying my hardest to remain calm, as being outspoken and hostile is grounds for suspicion. Fanned if I do, damned if I don't I suppose.

Also in the interest of winning this game: This is the first night I know I won't die. Mafia will try to kill me during the day using my suspicion from last night. You guys(mafia) might watch out tho, you'd be surprised how fast popular opinion can change, people will only believe so many curses.

I would be incredibly surprised if the baddies try to kill you. Tony needs you alive so he can skate by another lynch. The amount of heat on you right now is nuclear, a baddie would be stupid to kill you. Are you seriously trying to imply my curse was faked? Go back and read those posts then compare them to every other one I've ever made.

I'm not implying your curse was fake bae, I'm both acknowledging that possibility, as trying to reduce the chance mafia would try to pull that shit.

Full disclosure, this is my first game ever dealing with curses(neither are in party mafia or resistance), so I have no clue what kind of curse is legitimate sounding, so please understand where my doubt is coming from.

Ugh, wow what a day. Glad you survived Bullz. I have a few ideas of my own..

What I'd really like to know is why Virtue suddenly got all keen on killing me. I didn't think I'd done anything to offend them but maybe they just thought I'd be an easy scapegoat or something?

Also my theory:

A civvie believed me and changed the lynch to you on my word.

Another possibility is mafia might of switched it think they can use me to delfect suspicion.

Both of these theories lower my suspicion of you, the latter far more than the former. Not sure which is more likely tho.

Bullzeye wrote:What I'd really like to know is why Virtue suddenly got all keen on killing me. I didn't think I'd done anything to offend them but maybe they just thought I'd be an easy scapegoat or something?

Why virtue and not Tony?

My thought is that it is end game scenario, and maybe the baddies over at Virtue decided to fire with both barrels, curses, secret powers, etc, to try and get anyone BUT them lynched.

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:What I'd really like to know is why Virtue suddenly got all keen on killing me. I didn't think I'd done anything to offend them but maybe they just thought I'd be an easy scapegoat or something?

Why virtue and not Tony?

Because it's Virtue Girl (Rachel) who can influence a player's actions. That is presumably what they did to me. The curse was clearly designed to get suspicion on me and get a civ lynched. This is also shown in their forcing DH to vote me. Then you followed, presumably hoping others would. When that fell through the lynch was switched to me and my one time protect saved me.

Made wrote:Also my theory:

A civvie believed me and changed the lynch to you on my word.

Which civvie might that be? Nobody in the thread seems to believe you. The only person who didn't vote for you says he didn't get to choose who to vote for.

Another possibility is mafia might of switched it think they can use me to delfect suspicion.

Both of these theories lower my suspicion of you, the latter far more than the former. Not sure which is more likely tho.

I don't see a baddie team even in a position like this throwing away a switch on a non-teammate. It wouldn't happen.
Why exactly do you have suspicion of me anyway? You originally said you only voted me because DH did, and DH is saying he was forced and not actually suspicious of me.

DharmaHelper wrote:My thought is that it is end game scenario, and maybe the baddies over at Virtue decided to fire with both barrels, curses, secret powers, etc, to try and get anyone BUT them lynched.

Using this logic, if Tony doesn't kill virtue, Virtue might win.

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:My thought is that it is end game scenario, and maybe the baddies over at Virtue decided to fire with both barrels, curses, secret powers, etc, to try and get anyone BUT them lynched.

Using this logic, if Tony doesn't kill virtue, Virtue might win.

They still have to kill him. Until Virtue outnumber everyone else and there's no chance anyone else could stop them, we have a chance to beat both baddie teams.

How many civvie/virtue do you think alive?

Also gtg, study hall ends, be back around 3est. Doesn't mean crap, but your arguements are at least more legit than squid, mp, and ketterman's

Made wrote:How many civvie/virtue do you think alive?

Also gtg, study hall ends, be back around 3est. Doesn't mean crap, but your arguements are at least more legit than squid, mp, and ketterman's

I take back the squid remark

Made wrote:How many civvie/virtue do you think alive?

Also gtg, study hall ends, be back around 3est. Doesn't mean crap, but your arguements are at least more legit than squid, mp, and ketterman's

I think there are at least three civs, plus Tony. Leaving three spots left. Something tells me Nathan might still be alive (the whole immortal thing...) so if he does have his real power here, and the roles page is vague about it, then there could only be two Virtue left. Otherwise they're all still here and it's 3 v 3 v 1.

I definitely will be voting Made tomorrow; the question remains, Bullz, who are the other baddies? Dana and Blooper, perhaps?

I don't think Dana is bad MP. Why do you?

Bullzeye wrote:I don't think Dana is bad MP. Why do you?

Well, my suspicion of her goes back to the fact that she played the noob card for most of the game, and that my interpretation of her actions is that she seems ingenuine, but her responses have often seemed genuine... so I'd like to think she's civvie, but process of elimination really at this point?

I'm really torn on DH; I was convinced he was bad yesterday, but I don't know. It's just hard to ignore my civ read on him most of the game.

Pretty much process of elimination...

I guess Keterman could be bad though.

I really don't know at this point, lol, but Dana and Blooper were my two best guesses.

I suppose it's possible the baddies might have tried to get rid of Dana yesterday, not knowing she'd be off the poll again... but if that's the case, why force DH to vote Bullz?

I still don't think I buy both forces, even though I'd like to. I thought DH was bad for sure after his silent vote, but then felt better after I thought he was just forced, but he could easily be faking it, and of Bullz and DH I would think DH's seemed more phony, so I suppose the last baddies could be DH, Made, and Blooper (or Keterman), if Dana is civ?

Frankly, I just thought Blooper's vote (and timing) seemed more sketchy this past vote than Keterman's, so that's my logic on why I'm more apt to think Blooper is bad than Keterman.

Plus, Keterman has been making a genuine (or seemingly genuine) effort to scum hunt.

But if DH was Made's teammate, would he seriously play his cards like that?

Which means Bullz could be lying, but my gut doesn't want to believe that's true, especially after how things went down yesterday. That's the least likely scenario IMO.

It also means you are likely to die tonight, Bullz, so that's why I'm trying to engage you in conversation specifically even more so than everyone else (that, and I "trust" you the most of anyone right now).

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I don't think Dana is bad MP. Why do you?

Well, my suspicion of her goes back to the fact that she played the noob card for most of the game, and that my interpretation of her actions is that she seems ingenuine, but her responses have often seemed genuine... so I'd like to think she's civvie, but process of elimination really at this point?

I'm really torn on DH; I was convinced he was bad yesterday, but I don't know. It's just hard to ignore my civ read on him most of the game.

Pretty much process of elimination...

I guess Keterman could be bad though.

I really don't know at this point, lol, but Dana and Blooper were my two best guesses.

I've actually spent most of this game thinking Dana seemed sincere and civ-like. I thought others shared that view, which is why I would have been cursed to go after her. To be honest, for the final civ I'm torn between you and DH. Both of you have good and bad points. Like I said yesterday, I do have some reason to believe DH might be a particular civ but I could be very wrong. Bear in mind it's possible for a fourth civ to exist as well.

Linki - not lying, almost definitely marked for death I had been hoping to win this as well. I will try to share as many of my thoughts as I can until then.

Man, I'd love for a fourth civ to exist... it is possible, if the mafia killed off each other even at all.

Well, if you, DH, Dana, and I are all civ, that would only possibly leave Made, Blooper, and Keterman, right?

I didn't pick up any particular reason to believe DH might be a particular civ, but I'll take your input for what it's worth on that one. I also believe DH has been genuinely civ for most of the game, that's why his silent vote yesterday shocked the hell out of me.

I do think Dana nearly always sounds sincere, especially after I question her; I just get really paranoid of newbies playing the "I don't know" or "this is too hard" (not saying that's what she said, but her thoughts were along those lines) acts because I've been blind sighted by them way too many times. What struck me as the most weird was her transition from that to exact percentages, but I suppose if I buy her explanation to that, then I could see a real scenario where she is a genuine lone civvie this game.

I just get really paranoid when I'm a civvie, and especially when games get down to the wire like this. I just want to make sure I consider every scenario. Not doing so has burnt my ass enough in the past.

I must admit, what went down yesterday, when I think about it at face value and if I believe you are civ, Bullz, makes it pretty unlikely for Dana to be bad -- unless she's the lone member of the one mafia team that does not force/manipulate.

Occam's razor and all of that.

Okay, well, I look forward to reading what DH has to bring to the table as well, but I'm currently thinking

1. Made
2. Blooper
3. Keterman

I guess? For most likely baddies remaining. I just hope I'm not being hoodwinked here. And that list is subject to change. But I need to trust my brain and not my paranoia, and my brain says occam's razor comes into play for at least two of Bullz, DH, and Dana, if not all three. I suppose I just never expected two force roles.

Bullz, how strongly do you feel about your particular reason for DH's penciled in civ role? I just want to make sure this doesn't cloud judgment.

And yes, I'm enjoying my last few days of freedom before classes start WAY too much, if anyone couldn't tell. :P

I'll be leaving and doing something else for a bit here to give time for other people to post!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, well, I look forward to reading what DH has to bring to the table as well, but I'm currently thinking

1. Made
2. Blooper
3. Keterman

I guess? For most likely baddies remaining. I just hope I'm not being hoodwinked here. And that list is subject to change. But I need to trust my brain and not my paranoia, and my brain says occam's razor comes into play for at least two of Bullz, DH, and Dana, if not all three. I suppose I just never expected two force roles.

Bullz, how strongly do you feel about your particular reason for DH's penciled in civ role? I just want to make sure this doesn't cloud judgment.

I would say I'm about 80-85% convinced. Yesterday's shenanigans threw me a bit but I made a post last night about how I think it can be okay for their to be two forcing type roles. Virtue are all about forcing people to do things they don't want to do and controlling people's lives.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I do think Dana nearly always sounds sincere, especially after I question her; I just get really paranoid of newbies playing the "I don't know" or "this is too hard" (not saying that's what she said, but her thoughts were along those lines) acts because I've been blind sighted by them way too many times. What struck me as the most weird was her transition from that to exact percentages, but I suppose if I buy her explanation to that, then I could see a real scenario where she is a genuine lone civvie this game.

For real though this game is a lot harder than I had expected. I had thought "hey this will be a nice fun mafia game like party version but just longer" but no, this is pretty hard-core. It is very fun, though. Just a lot to think through and keep up with, which makes it difficult.

I agree with your points about Made and Keterman, they've been pretty close for a little while, like with the whole targeting SVS thing. I'm unsure about Blooper, she hasn't been posting too much recently, so I'll wait to make a stronger opinion. Hopefully the team is only left with two people, that would mean a lot of civs are still around. I also agree that Bullz and DH are probably good, they both seemed to have been acting out of character yesterday so I believe they're telling the truth about being forced.

To me, a team doesn't up and blow their load like that unless they're sure they have a win in sight. And the only way I can see Team Virtue picking Bullz to target and work so hard to lynch him would be if they thought Bullz was Tony, and killing him would give them control over who dies at night?

I dunno. Switching the lynch away from Made seems like it could be a baddie save.

DharmaHelper wrote:To me, a team doesn't up and blow their load like that unless they're sure they have a win in sight. And the only way I can see Team Virtue picking Bullz to target and work so hard to lynch him would be if they thought Bullz was Tony, and killing him would give them control over who dies at night?

I dunno. Switching the lynch away from Made seems like it could be a baddie save.

But why would they think that and why wouldn't they just NK me?

I definitely think Made is bad. I see no other explanation. Notice he never answered me asking why he now claims to be suspicious of me despite initially saying he only voted me because you did.

Bullzeye wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:To me, a team doesn't up and blow their load like that unless they're sure they have a win in sight. And the only way I can see Team Virtue picking Bullz to target and work so hard to lynch him would be if they thought Bullz was Tony, and killing him would give them control over who dies at night?

I dunno. Switching the lynch away from Made seems like it could be a baddie save.

But why would they think that and why wouldn't they just NK me?

I definitely think Made is bad. I see no other explanation. Notice he never answered me asking why he now claims to be suspicious of me despite initially saying he only voted me because you did.

Yeah thats where I get hung up. My other thought was, if we assume the opposite (they are on the ropes rather than in control) they might have used this big gambit of confusion to buy themselves some cover.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:To me, a team doesn't up and blow their load like that unless they're sure they have a win in sight. And the only way I can see Team Virtue picking Bullz to target and work so hard to lynch him would be if they thought Bullz was Tony, and killing him would give them control over who dies at night?

I dunno. Switching the lynch away from Made seems like it could be a baddie save.

But why would they think that and why wouldn't they just NK me?

I definitely think Made is bad. I see no other explanation. Notice he never answered me asking why he now claims to be suspicious of me despite initially saying he only voted me because you did.

Yeah thats where I get hung up. My other thought was, if we assume the opposite (they are on the ropes rather than in control) they might have used this big gambit of confusion to buy themselves some cover.

True, but here's the thing. I was expressing huge suspicions of Dana. If I were in their position, I would have seriously thought I could pull off that gambit.

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, well, I look forward to reading what DH has to bring to the table as well, but I'm currently thinking

1. Made
2. Blooper
3. Keterman

I guess? For most likely baddies remaining. I just hope I'm not being hoodwinked here. And that list is subject to change. But I need to trust my brain and not my paranoia, and my brain says occam's razor comes into play for at least two of Bullz, DH, and Dana, if not all three. I suppose I just never expected two force roles.

Bullz, how strongly do you feel about your particular reason for DH's penciled in civ role? I just want to make sure this doesn't cloud judgment.

I would say I'm about 80-85% convinced. Yesterday's shenanigans threw me a bit but I made a post last night about how I think it can be okay for their to be two forcing type roles. Virtue are all about forcing people to do things they don't want to do and controlling people's lives.

Duly noted, thanks.

I actually just started watching the show, but I've only watched the first four or so episodes so far, so show insight is helpful.

Dana wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I do think Dana nearly always sounds sincere, especially after I question her; I just get really paranoid of newbies playing the "I don't know" or "this is too hard" (not saying that's what she said, but her thoughts were along those lines) acts because I've been blind sighted by them way too many times. What struck me as the most weird was her transition from that to exact percentages, but I suppose if I buy her explanation to that, then I could see a real scenario where she is a genuine lone civvie this game.

For real though this game is a lot harder than I had expected. I had thought "hey this will be a nice fun mafia game like party version but just longer" but no, this is pretty hard-core. It is very fun, though. Just a lot to think through and keep up with, which makes it difficult.

I agree with your points about Made and Keterman, they've been pretty close for a little while, like with the whole targeting SVS thing. I'm unsure about Blooper, she hasn't been posting too much recently, so I'll wait to make a stronger opinion. Hopefully the team is only left with two people, that would mean a lot of civs are still around. I also agree that Bullz and DH are probably good, they both seemed to have been acting out of character yesterday so I believe they're telling the truth about being forced.

Oh, yeah, it is definitely difficult, and there is definitely a huge learning curve. Took me a few games to even find my footing, I believe. It's definitely different from the party version, but more enjoyable in my opinion (I love the theoretically infinite customization and complexity of the game). Even now after playing four years, I still can often feel totally lost.

Good point bringing that up -- Keterman and Made definitely both tried to deflect attention onto S~V~S, and hard. I could see them being teammates.

So let me get this straight, you guys think virtue is myself, ketterman, squid.

Also, why would bull be the obvious person to kill tonight and not ketterman. I'm obviously going to live, but Tony is going to be more likely to kill who s/he thinks is virtue right?

MR has confirmed that I can tell you all I won a one-time survival (from either a lynch or NK) from my day 1 challenge vs Epi wherein we had to begin our posts with consecutive letters of the alphabet.

I just had an idea, that will give civvies a fighting chance. Mega post coming soon. The awesome thing about it is it works within the confines of me being virtue, which I'm not, so stay with me.

And interesting linki....

Ight Tony, If you're out there. I'm gonna help you out. Kill me tonight, and you get a much needed advantage over Virtue.

Look at this point, I'm either dying tonight or tomorrow. If I die tonight, town kill Ketterman tomorrow and virtue kills a rando, then it's a 1 v 1 v 3ish scenerio.
not very favorable no?

The thing is if you decide to kill ketterman or even like dana (if you're really feeling silly), I die during the day, and everything I've said yesterday is validated. You won't last through the night.


Civs, don't screw this up. You're welcome.
Made

This fucking game..

To combat this, Virtue should now argue Ketterman is civvie. ( i wonder what the chances are they might be able to then lynch dana lol)

Made wrote:To combat this, Virtue should now argue Ketterman is civvie. ( i wonder what the chances are they might be able to then lynch dana lol)

Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out."
And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When Thomas returned to his companions, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones and burn you up."

MovingPictures07 wrote:Frankly, I just thought Blooper's vote (and timing) seemed more sketchy this past vote than Keterman's, so that's my logic on why I'm more apt to think Blooper is bad than Keterman.

Plus, Keterman has been making a genuine (or seemingly genuine) effort to scum hunt.

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Vote already, Dana and Blooper, then MR can end the day early. :P

Fair enough. I vote Made.

lol this kid...also just noticed this...

MovingPictures07 wrote:Plus, Keterman has been making a genuine (or seemingly genuine) effort to scum hunt.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Good point bringing that up -- Keterman and Made definitely both tried to deflect attention onto S~V~S, and hard. I could see them being teammates.

for the record, his votes consist of no vote, no vote, SVS, SVS, SVS, Made.
one of those days he voted really damn early too...

oh, and goodie! tomorrow we find out if SVS was Mafia or not!

What gives you that idea?

Bullzeye wrote:What gives you that idea?

SVS was killed by Liam, We killed Sally. If Tony is still alive, SVS was civvie.

I assume MR would have told us if a baddie team had been eliminated. That usually happens. So I'm assuming SVS was civ already.

Bullzeye wrote:I assume MR would have told us if a baddie team had been eliminated. That usually happens. So I'm assuming SVS was civ already.

So you're saying everyone already knew this and i had to take on faith that a kill steal hadn't happened

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I assume MR would have told us if a baddie team had been eliminated. That usually happens. So I'm assuming SVS was civ already.

So you're saying everyone already knew this and i had to take on faith that a kill steal hadn't happened

DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME I FAITHED?
I AM CRYING RIGHT NOW



why did i just sign up for a new mafia game :/

Made wrote:Ight Tony, If you're out there. I'm gonna help you out. Kill me tonight, and you get a much needed advantage over Virtue.

Um did you just admit to being Virtue?