Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:55 am
Thanks! MP actually just told me that. It's really nifty and useful.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
I strongly agree. This is a pretty big game so can be under the radar without flying under the radar, you dig?S~V~S wrote:To me having no real opinions counts as flying low. Quin is not flying low, IMO.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Under the radar may have nothing to do with what you're doing, at least directly. If nobody is talking about you (as you just pointed out recently), that's also flying under the radar.Quin wrote:I am curious as to why you would label me as 'Under the radar', though. I feel like I've been in the thick of things since the beginning.
Because, while you are posting a lot, I don't have a real good read on you.Quin wrote:I am curious as to why you would label me as 'Under the radar', though. I feel like I've been in the thick of things since the beginning.
It wasn't a mafia game. It was more like Last Man Team Standing, so I don't see how anyone puts stock in it when determining what someone would or would not do as Mafia. No, I didn't know what the setup was from the beginning, but I had a much better idea after Day 1. Can you accurately measure someone's Mafia game based on a Day 1?Sloonei wrote:I'm confused why you think that was a null game. I was only in it for Day 1, at which time none of the 9 scums knew what kind of game it was. They all presumably would been thinking along normal scum lines, and their behavior should have reflected that. Unless you want to tell me you knew exactly what the setup was from the very beginning.
But also I'd probably still be reading him as town even if that game never happened. Nothing about his posts seems dishonest to me.
I can certainly use the evidence that I have.Epignosis wrote:It wasn't a mafia game. It was more like Last Man Team Standing, so I don't see how anyone puts stock in it when determining what someone would or would not do as Mafia. No, I didn't know what the setup was from the beginning, but I had a much better idea after Day 1. Can you accurately measure someone's Mafia game based on a Day 1?Sloonei wrote:I'm confused why you think that was a null game. I was only in it for Day 1, at which time none of the 9 scums knew what kind of game it was. They all presumably would been thinking along normal scum lines, and their behavior should have reflected that. Unless you want to tell me you knew exactly what the setup was from the very beginning.
But also I'd probably still be reading him as town even if that game never happened. Nothing about his posts seems dishonest to me.
Sloonei wrote:I also find myself quoting the way SVS handled her vote on me earlier in the day. She seemed to put her vote on me because she thought I was lying about who this post was addressing, saying the context made it seem more like I was talking to DDL and not Gleam, as I claimed:But if she had checked the context, as she seems to have done, then she should have also seen this post as well right in the center of the context at that time, in which I clarified there and then about who the post was addressing. It struck me as a very odd reason to put a vote on a person. There was a piece of evidence directly confirming the thing she was questioning right in front of her face, and she put a vote on me that seemed like it was designed to be moved off. Did you not really suspect me, SVS? Were you just trying to get my attention? This is not something I am used to you doing with your votes.S~V~S wrote:Yes, that quote appears to be addressed to DDL, not gleam. This seems somewhat deceptive.
Not to mention that after taking her vote off me, she moved onto Gleam, the 5th person on that wagon.
I tend to think being all over the place is a good thing.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Did a quick read on gleam's posts. They aren't as bad as day 1s, but still don't feel right. He is still going on about the evils of lynching townies while tunneling pretty hard on SW. Says he'll focus on WIlgy but I've yet to see that. Sheeps people on Epi. Brings up the possibility of hunting inactives. The guy is all over the place and it's not a civ place.
Yes. I continue to interpret his comments about the difficulty cops have in arresting Dons as frustration about a personal win condition that is difficult to achieve.Serge wrote:@thellama73, is your vote for Luffy serious? If so, why?
I agree with this.Sloonei wrote:Quin is a gentleman
Has anything else in his posts aftet that caught your eye in the same way?thellama73 wrote:Yes. I continue to interpret his comments about the difficulty cops have in arresting Dons as frustration about a personal win condition that is difficult to achieve.Serge wrote:@thellama73, is your vote for Luffy serious? If so, why?
Why me?Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.Epignosis wrote:Why me?Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
He hasn´t really done that yet as far as I can see, and has instead been all over the place regarding his playstyle (doing ISOs yet not providing reads, trying to discuss the power roles and weird fluff about his and Silvers relationship) and that makes me want to lynch him. I thought he could be an asset but all we have got are distractions and a lack of effort. Looks like scum to me.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Nerolunar, you said you wouldn't lynch ika on day 1 because his presence in the game would make it easier for you to read SW.
How did that change on day 2?
People have been saying that about me for the past several months.Sloonei wrote:You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.Epignosis wrote:Why me?Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
Pursuing Ika right then seemed much more appropiate than trying to focus on the disagreement with the Gleam lynch. I got some fine answers from him that made me vote for him. We got to know Ika better and thats way more valuable than following through with my previous thoughts.Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.
Go on...Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?
Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?Nerolunar wrote:Wow.
Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?
Man.
No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.Sloonei wrote:Have you figured it out yet?Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?![]()
Ooooow.ika wrote:i do analize them
I am referencing as far back as Rocky & Bullwinkle.Epignosis wrote:People have been saying that about me for the past several months.Sloonei wrote:You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.Epignosis wrote:Why me?Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
I would like to see some evidence for this. What recent mafia game did another player accuse you of being less aggressive?Epignosis wrote:People have been saying that about me for the past several months.Sloonei wrote:You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.Epignosis wrote:Why me?Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
I actually disagree with you on all 3 of these vote prospects.Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
And actually Quin read funny to me too. I just ISO'd (oh man, it feels weird to type that and not say I did a Quin re-read) and something felt funny. He kind of jumped around from suspicion to suspicion, not really holding on to any of them, and deciding to change his vote when his previous suspicion didn't gain any traction. Quin, I'm not sure have a concrete question to ask you, but I'd like to hear anything you can provide as to your thinking or developing of suspicions.Matt wrote:'Sides Golden, Quin is reading funny to me. Can't put my finger on it. Perhaps an ISO is in order!
Epi was nightkilled and widely considered a town read for everyone. I highly doubt he was bad.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I would like to see some evidence for this. What recent mafia game did another player accuse you of being less aggressive?Epignosis wrote:People have been saying that about me for the past several months.Sloonei wrote:You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.Epignosis wrote:Why me?Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
Linki: Sloonei, I don't think you can use Rock and Bullwinkle as a reference point since it's still an ongoing game.
What list? Should I be nervous or thrilled?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm adding Sloonei to my list btw. Enjoy your stay Sloon.
My guess? YES!!Sloonei wrote:What list? Should I be nervous or thrilled?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm adding Sloonei to my list btw. Enjoy your stay Sloon.
No, I didn't suspect you before. You made a quick flop. That caught my eye. What does the quickness of my vote have to do with anything?Nerolunar wrote:Pursuing Ika right then seemed much more appropiate than trying to focus on the disagreement with the Gleam lynch. I got some fine answers from him that made me vote for him. We got to know Ika better and thats way more valuable than following through with my previous thoughts.Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.
Go on...Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?
Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?Nerolunar wrote:Wow.
Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?
Man.
No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.Sloonei wrote:Have you figured it out yet?Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?![]()
Ooooow.ika wrote:i do analize them
It pinged me that you were so quick to vote for me based on this. Were you pinged by me before? If so, where and why?
I really don't want to trudge through old games to find specific posts, but it's true.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I would like to see some evidence for this. What recent mafia game did another player accuse you of being less aggressive?Epignosis wrote:People have been saying that about me for the past several months.Sloonei wrote:You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.Epignosis wrote:Why me?Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.
Linki: Sloonei, I don't think you can use Rock and Bullwinkle as a reference point since it's still an ongoing game.
I like this dude. I think he is town, mostly because we have similar philosophies.Serge wrote:Hullo Sloonei, I have just arrived at your post. Thanks to you and that other person that explained linki.Sloonei wrote:Hello again Serge, "linki" refers to when a new post pops up during the time you are typing your own new post.Serge wrote:Hello everyone, sorry for missing out on the last day. I've read up until page 15, hopefully I'll catch up tomorrow.
I'm quite surprised at the number of new players in this specific game. The thread is going so fast and references on other games flash by here and there. Let us be civil(no pun intended), it seems some sparks are flying.
Who/what is a linki? When I catch up hopefully I'll be able to form a clearer picture. If it doesn't come in that form, I'll make that investigation board instead. No matter what happens, I'll cast a vote this day phase.
What would you say is your general strategy on Days 1 & 2 of a Mafia game? Has this game been busier than what you are accustomed to?
I don't like 0s and 1s as they usually revolve around random guessing and nitpicking the tiniest bits of text that may be construed as scummy. An example would be llama saying that Luffy complaining that the game is hard for cops is scummy is an example.
For Day 2, I generally put who got lynched and nightkilled front and center, using the posts from the previous day to try and find any links as to how both these things transpire.
I'm going to resume reading now, see you when I catch up.
I really appreciate you saying so.indiglo wrote:Just wanted to chime in w/my 2 cents (not that anyone asked, but why let that stop me now?)
I have been away from mafia entirely for at least 2 years, probably longer. I've been away from this site entirely for almost as long. Since coming back (and actually playing a few mafia games again), I have noticed a HUGE shift in your gameplay, Epi. Granted, I think I've only played 2 games with you since being back, but your gameplay is almost a complete 180. And I mean that as a compliment, in a good way. Your style has evolved immensely, and I think, for the better. So it's interesting to read your reasoning behind maturing and evolving your play style.
I just thought I'd share that I noticed it immediately, even though I didn't say anything about it.
I'll put this in OT, just in case it's considered OT. You can then choose to read it, or not read it.
This is actually a reasonable way to approach things. By quickness I meant how you jumped on me based on 2 of my posts without any further suspicion, but you also explained your thought process on that.Epignosis wrote:No, I didn't suspect you before. You made a quick flop. That caught my eye. What does the quickness of my vote have to do with anything?Nerolunar wrote:Pursuing Ika right then seemed much more appropiate than trying to focus on the disagreement with the Gleam lynch. I got some fine answers from him that made me vote for him. We got to know Ika better and thats way more valuable than following through with my previous thoughts.Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.
Go on...Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?
Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?Nerolunar wrote:Wow.
Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?
Man.
No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.Sloonei wrote:Have you figured it out yet?Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?![]()
Ooooow.ika wrote:i do analize them
It pinged me that you were so quick to vote for me based on this. Were you pinged by me before? If so, where and why?
Voting people enables me to observe things, as I did with Wilgy. If I'm happy with what I see, I'll move along.
I see your point. I also think it's a good idea to look at those instances differently. S~V~S did not win you guys the game. It was a team effort. S~V~S may have led the charge, but one civilian cannot lynch a baddie alone. That civilian needs help from other civilians. You may not have helped lynch Bullzeye in that situation, but S~V~S got the support she needed. That's how it goes sometimes. I think this is where and element of trust comes into play in mafia. Harry Potter is another example. You rezzed me, an assured civilian, back into the game, but didn't trust me after you did. On the other hand, my return play was pretty sketchy, so your skepticism was warranted.Epignosis wrote:I really don't want to trudge through old games to find specific posts, but it's true.
There are multiple reasons I am not as aggressive as I was last year. In terms of time, I've been hosting for six months. I also have a new profitable hobby in fantasy NBA, which takes a great deal of time and research to stay profitable.
In terms of Mafia, though, I started trying to dial back as far back as Death Note, when I was almost certain FZ. was bad and would not relent in hunting her down. It was a terrible blow when I realized how much time and effort I wasted contributing to my own loss. That made me begin to reevaluate my approach.
One big thing for me recently was Lost Again, in which I couldn't imagine Bullzeye being bad and argued against his lynch. S~V~S successfully got him lynched and won us the game. If I had my way, we would have Lost. Again.
Another major reason I'll just mention, without going into it, is that our site is becoming too confrontational for some people, and I'm trying to make a conscious effort to avoid contributing to that. I know I'm not the only one.
If I get lynched because I'm not being aggressive, oh well.
If you have a well-build case against Wilgy, then why don´t you just vote for him?agleaminranks wrote:Silverwolf, I'm calling your bluff. I went back and examined the Wilgy case and I don't have anything stronger to go on there. I think my rationale will stand for itself. I have a long day of classes and I'm not 100% sure I can check in again before the deadline.
Silverwolf
I think he's saying Silverwolf has a case on Wilgy, not himself.Nerolunar wrote:If you have a well-build case against Wilgy, then why don´t you just vote for him?agleaminranks wrote:Silverwolf, I'm calling your bluff. I went back and examined the Wilgy case and I don't have anything stronger to go on there. I think my rationale will stand for itself. I have a long day of classes and I'm not 100% sure I can check in again before the deadline.
Silverwolf
I have what I think is a case for Wilgy being good. That's why I'm not voting for him.Nerolunar wrote:If you have a well-build case against Wilgy, then why don´t you just vote for him?agleaminranks wrote:Silverwolf, I'm calling your bluff. I went back and examined the Wilgy case and I don't have anything stronger to go on there. I think my rationale will stand for itself. I have a long day of classes and I'm not 100% sure I can check in again before the deadline.
Silverwolf
Truthfully I don't know if I had much more a reason to suspect Silverwolf over ika. Maybe it was because Silverwolf got the ball rolling and was the source of my frustration. I only stopped back in to cast my vote but I'm thinking it over now after I've had more time to cool down. Both were being very unhelpful as far as giving explanations or reasonings behind their actions. I wanted to claim ika's vote for wanting to believe his friend was town.Sloonei wrote:Why is Silverwolf more suspicious than ika?