The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:51 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:43 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc
i do tbh

>:( not u

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:32 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:20 am With respect to Porscha and Golden, multiple people (maybe yourselves included) perceive your wolf range as a lot smaller than your town range

As in, you are not known for being godlike superstar unreal fabulous solo hero wolves

Dizzy is absolutely known for that. His wolf range is infinite, as in, it goes as far as his town range, imo

If Dizzy is mafia, I can't really dismantle his claim and his softs. But if anyone here is capable of fooling everyone so much, I think Dizzy is the only one capable

-t

Oh no. I do have a godlike superstar unreal fabulous solo hero wolf reputation.

I’d say I’m the only one who says my wolf range is as narrow as it is. I think it’s easy to make your wolf range feel large with a few basic high-percentage wolf strategies.

I compare dizzy to me precisely for this reason. I think their wolf game is amazing, I think they can fool me. But their game is absent some of those high-percentage strategies.

I could be on board with it being dizzy. I don’t think it is the clearly correct solution though. I do hope I have more time for proper analysis tomorrow.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:33 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:42 am Now im back to thinking its Golden

The only evidence of his role is Kate being neighbored n3 and then dying the next day. As a day action. Her and Urist

All of the mafia roles have been pretty simple, 1 line of text

Golden could simply be a 1-shot mafia neighborizer

Every other one of his footprints are on dead people and a wolf that doesnt count

-t

I’d have to be 2-shot

Kate confirmed I’d been honest about the Alison stuff.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:34 am**

Tutuu, please… I can’t keep doing this.

Do full interactive reads of

Me and Alison
Me and marmot
Me and svs

I do not think, if you do this, a wolf read of me can possibly be sustained.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:37 am**

You’re timfoiling, you’re spending all your time worrying about mechanics.

I’m not lying. If I was lying, it still wouldn’t be indicative of me being wolf though. I roleclaim lie as town all the time. So even though I’m not lying, whether I am or not should not be where your focus is,

My thread relationship with baddies should be,

And you should have a really good reason why I neighbouruse Alison night 1. Given Kate confirmed that as true in the thread. Especially because I’ve explained it depth and the evidence of its truthfulness is in the thread from day one.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:38 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:46 am Porscha's claim is by far the worst which weirdly means it's ... the towniest? Is that a dangerous read to make?

-t

Yes. It’s either dizzy or Porscha and if you let Porscha push you off with mechanics that’s a problem.

We need a you/me/sloon consensus both days here.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:41 am**

Although I am worried that if we don’t end it today we don’t get another. We definitely can’t end up 3/2 on someone/dizzy eg, or if we elim wrong day 6 doesn’t happen.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:47 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc

It’s broken af to have the hydra in wolfchat.

And I believe then when they talk about their back and forth neighbourhood chat.

I think those are good reasons for the tr personally.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:49 am**

*sigh* idk why my abilities never seemed to reach their targets but like idk who to go here if it isnt dizzy
Dizzy could have just killed ender to be able to claim vt as the shot especially if rondo was killed outside of mafias hands

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:52 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:49 am *sigh* idk why my abilities never seemed to reach their targets but like idk who to go here if it isnt dizzy
Dizzy could have just killed ender to be able to claim vt as the shot especially if rondo was killed outside of mafias hands

I do think from the perspective of t!you it can only make sense it’s dizzy or possibly me.

Kate was really convinced it was dizzy, and I could see some of her points as we talked about it. She’d screenshot dizzy posts and we’d talk about them. She also nailed marmot after I lost faith and she never stopped seeing svs as bad, so I think her instincts were good this game.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:52 am**

It’s just that dizzy did get to prove their claim!

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:53 am**

But it could be American soup?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:54 am**

@Porscha are my reasons for townclearing PC flawed?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:15 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:54 am @Porscha are my reasons for townclearing PC flawed?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:47 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc
It’s broken af to have the hydra in wolfchat.

And I believe then when they talk about their back and forth neighbourhood chat.

I think those are good reasons for the tr personally.

If it's only these then I think its weak
But you also didnt include PC's participation in the event and general wim. Not sure pc should be read on wim since it's more than 1 person and also a lot of tutuu so meh

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:20 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:52 am It’s just that dizzy did get to prove their claim!

Merh... could have been a set up... opportunistic (even tho dizzy would say they have been softing it all along and whatever whatever but I didnt feel like the softs were particularly indicative... first one talking to kate kinda aight I guess but still vague and open ended... and if maf had a role cop at all then dizzy may have softed having a role they never actually had... idk)
I say opportunistic cuz guillo was riding his ass bad, he was poe'd... he may have felt it was an easy time to get a couple votes and then just kill in the pool of voters and claim it was his ability and not his factional nk

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:24 am**

Going back to guillo's comment here, but I did say I would only consider it in the situation where we make it to today with a mafia left... and that's where we are, so... his comment on svs voting dizzy has some painful wifom to it and in that type of way that makes you wonder if it was done on purpose to make us worry about wifom on a partner later...

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:26 am**

I'm sure dizzy will come back in here later and sweet talk me into second guessing myself but... they kinda make the most sense to me

The last wolf cant be caught on spew or general gameplay decisions very much... but did dizzy vote scotty over svs with you golden? Were you the only 2 remaining players who did that?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:33 am**

Is anyone interested in taking the most recent colored voting totals and updating it for analysis? Probs useful

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:33 am**

I think wilgy had it

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:35 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:34 am Tutuu, please… I can’t keep doing this.

Do full interactive reads of

Me and Alison
Me and marmot
Me and svs

I do not think, if you do this, a wolf read of me can possibly be sustained.

Two words:

Lost wolf

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:38 am**

Actually though who is the wolf

Sloonei???????????????????????????

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:42 am**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:38 am Actually though who is the wolf

Sloonei???????????????????????????

wolf because if there's 2 of you I'm just shocked

uh
porscha's claim
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'm sure mafia could do something better
but also like ?????
Do mafia have a roleblocker
and they used it every night on porscha or smth

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:23 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:28 pm I feel like Porscha and Golden can't be mafia still.
Tell me why YOU feel Porscha can’t be.

I've never seen Porscha be this active or make it far as mafia. She's pretty polarized as a player. However, I'm questioning everything right now. If she's a lost wolf who isn't informed, it's very possible she just plays as if she's town and that's why she looks town to me. Or she has a better wolf range than I give her credit for.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:35 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:16 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:15 am I also dont know why youd assume I should have been the obvious kill last night
Ender had a strong role
I cant think of a great reason for rondo dying tho
You were the consensus town. Golden was after Ender, we started tinfoiling Ender too

Nobody was scumreading Porscha

And yes Rondo being the NK is absurd

It might be Dizzy

-t

Both Rondo and Ender had Porscha in their PoE as far as I can recall.

The only reason I can think of for a Rondo kill is that he claimed investigative with results, and it may have spooked mafia. Or some sort of weird logic wifom play. We can't know why Rondo was killed before the game is over though.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:43 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:20 am With respect to Porscha and Golden, multiple people (maybe yourselves included) perceive your wolf range as a lot smaller than your town range

As in, you are not known for being godlike superstar unreal fabulous solo hero wolves

Dizzy is absolutely known for that. His wolf range is infinite, as in, it goes as far as his town range, imo

If Dizzy is mafia, I can't really dismantle his claim and his softs. But if anyone here is capable of fooling everyone so much, I think Dizzy is the only one capable

-t

That's absurd. Nobody has an "infinite" wolf range. The traces of fur should be in this thread somewhere, it's just hard to see.

Yeah, I have an excellent wolf game. But I'm not a fucking magician. I've proved my role, and it checks out, so maybe it's just the truth. I also don't think I've been wolfy at all. Going Scotty over SVS is not something I do as mafia ever. She was outed as non-town, it was a dumb play, but it was a town play. For example. Also, I did not offer myself to be killed by Guillo for fun, and no, it was not "anti-town" imo. I saw that we would never win the game if Guillo was town, and I believed him to be town. Like, what's my plan here as mafia? And this is what I was afraid of. I should be, for all intent and purposes, confirmed as town. Yet here we are.

You have an excellent wolf game yourself btw. Obviously, whoever is mafia has an excellent wolf game.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:44 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:23 am Dizzy carried in a wolf game with me earlier this year lol like our 3rd teammate got mod killed day 1 and I was caught by day 2 and dizzy won so yeah

Yeah, and I straight up bussed both of you hard and coasted on that. I didn't have any mech clearing me. That's way different, or do you feel like it's the same?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:45 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:46 am Porscha's claim is by far the worst which weirdly means it's ... the towniest? Is that a dangerous read to make?

-t

I don't understand Porscha's claim tbh. She gives out gifts as well, but nobody has mentioned it? @Porscha have you eluded to it in thread?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:45 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc

Yeah, I'm coming back to this all the time

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:46 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:32 amOh no. I do have a godlike superstar unreal fabulous solo hero wolf reputation.

I’d say I’m the only one who says my wolf range is as narrow as it is. I think it’s easy to make your wolf range feel large with a few basic high-percentage wolf strategies.

I compare dizzy to me precisely for this reason. I think their wolf game is amazing, I think they can fool me. But their game is absent some of those high-percentage strategies.

I could be on board with it being dizzy. I don’t think it is the clearly correct solution though. I do hope I have more time for proper analysis tomorrow.

This resonates with me. Golden's whole deal with SVS and the Scotty wagon is towny and not wolfy imo. Lol me if I'm wrong, but that's how I feel

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:48 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:38 am
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:46 am Porscha's claim is by far the worst which weirdly means it's ... the towniest? Is that a dangerous read to make?

-t
Yes. It’s either dizzy or Porscha and if you let Porscha push you off with mechanics that’s a problem.

We need a you/me/sloon consensus both days here.

Why do you think it's not PC?

If it's PC and they're telling the truth, we need two rounds to get rid of them

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:48 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:47 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc
It’s broken af to have the hydra in wolfchat.

And I believe then when they talk about their back and forth neighbourhood chat.

I think those are good reasons for the tr personally.

I don't think it is. Also, PC can easily be lost wolf, and OP implies lost wolf

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:49 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:49 am *sigh* idk why my abilities never seemed to reach their targets but like idk who to go here if it isnt dizzy
Dizzy could have just killed ender to be able to claim vt as the shot especially if rondo was killed outside of mafias hands

How would I know all of that would happen though? Like, you all need me to have some psychic powers for me to be wolf here. It's just absurd to me

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:50 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:52 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:49 am *sigh* idk why my abilities never seemed to reach their targets but like idk who to go here if it isnt dizzy
Dizzy could have just killed ender to be able to claim vt as the shot especially if rondo was killed outside of mafias hands
I do think from the perspective of t!you it can only make sense it’s dizzy or possibly me.

Kate was really convinced it was dizzy, and I could see some of her points as we talked about it. She’d screenshot dizzy posts and we’d talk about them. She also nailed marmot after I lost faith and she never stopped seeing svs as bad, so I think her instincts were good this game.

Kate doesn't know me. I wish she had talked to me about this tbh.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:51 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:53 am But it could be American soup?

Why would you assume that as a role? None of the flipped wolves has had a role like that, but town has. This is making up special cases just to force me into fitting being wolf

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:54 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:26 am I'm sure dizzy will come back in here later and sweet talk me into second guessing myself but... they kinda make the most sense to me

The last wolf cant be caught on spew or general gameplay decisions very much... but did dizzy vote scotty over svs with you golden? Were you the only 2 remaining players who did that?

I can't sweet talk anymore than I have tbh. If I'm not able to be found as town here now, there's nothing more I can say. Kudos to whoever is wolf for people to even consider it

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:01 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

This post has been bothering me a lot, especially coupled with the idea that wolves had to have been on the Scotty wagon. Because what we do know is that town was on the Scotty wagon. I think Golden voting Scotty and suggesting for people to do it is actually towny and not wolfy. However, staying on SVS but in a passive way is wolfy. It reminds me a lot of whatever season of MU champs when Katze won. Alexa was arguing for chopping Katze (her wolf buddy), but in such a passive way. It was only to look good later, while it shone through that she didn't really want to chop Katze. This gives me the same feeling. And PC was making troll posts outside of this, and even tagged SVS in one of those troll posts. Also, the way PC explained their Scotty town read felt tmi to me.

This is the thing that was bogging me the most when trying to sleep last night, and it still is. And I'm worried that if PC is wolf, we only have today to get it.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:03 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:01 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS
This post has been bothering me a lot, especially coupled with the idea that wolves had to have been on the Scotty wagon. Because what we do know is that town was on the Scotty wagon. I think Golden voting Scotty and suggesting for people to do it is actually towny and not wolfy. However, staying on SVS but in a passive way is wolfy. It reminds me a lot of whatever season of MU champs when Katze won. Alexa was arguing for chopping Katze (her wolf buddy), but in such a passive way. It was only to look good later, while it shone through that she didn't really want to chop Katze. This gives me the same feeling. And PC was making troll posts outside of this, and even tagged SVS in one of those troll posts. Also, the way PC explained their Scotty town read felt tmi to me.

This is the thing that was bogging me the most when trying to sleep last night, and it still is. And I'm worried that if PC is wolf, we only have today to get it.

In addition, they were pushing a really bad PoE last day phase, really hard. And when they met some backlash it was all "Ok, you're town", but then later continued to push a bad PoE. It's not just that the PoE was wrong, but it's how it felt in thread.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:06 pm**

Honestly, I haven't done any due diligence things, because I don't have the time right now. I will be more around tomorrow night.

I think it should be obvious that I'm town, but I see that it doesn't seem that way. I feel like people have to jump through loopholes to make it fit that I'm wolf. And me being a good wolf doesn't change that and it doesn't make me any less town.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:08 pm**

I'm coming back to PC in my mind. I want to hear what Sloonei thinks.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:10 pm**

Also, I think PC said mafia would have role cop. But role cop and soup kill is extremely OP. Unless soup works in a completely different way for some reason. But all of these things are just assumptions anyway, and I'd rather not solve on assumptions.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:23 pm**

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:26 am I'm sure dizzy will come back in here later and sweet talk me into second guessing myself but... they kinda make the most sense to me

The last wolf cant be caught on spew or general gameplay decisions very much... but did dizzy vote scotty over svs with you golden? Were you the only 2 remaining players who did that?

Yes

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:25 pm**

@Porscha Do you know why you didn't vote the day Scotty was chopped?

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:26 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:51 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:53 am But it could be American soup?
Why would you assume that as a role? None of the flipped wolves has had a role like that, but town has. This is making up special cases just to force me into fitting being wolf

Not to force, just to be open minded.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:10 pm**

Dizzys SR on us feels real and I feel like its towny

I really think it's just Golden. Golden is not pushing a scumread today, he is just defending himself

To answer some points @Dyslexicon

1) We were passive about SVS because I was scared. I lacked confidence and I didnt want to be controlling. I was hoping you guys see something that I dont. Sheep was the one who wrote that post you quoted, not me. After I saw the Scotty flip I felt vindicated in going Kim Jong Un on your asses the next day

2) It is disingenuous to keep saying my PoE was bad. Every single player's PoE was and is bad, considering our situation here, where we can't find the last wolf (or wolves). Yours included, as I know I'm town.

@Sloonei really need your input asap. Since you're the clear, I suggested to my hydra that we just sheep you. Let me know if theres anything we can do in terms of catching you up

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:17 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:10 pm Dizzys SR on us feels real and I feel like its towny

I really think it's just Golden. Golden is not pushing a scumread today, he is just defending himself

To answer some points @Dyslexicon

1) We were passive about SVS because I was scared. I lacked confidence and I didnt want to be controlling. I was hoping you guys see something that I dont. Sheep was the one who wrote that post you quoted, not me. After I saw the Scotty flip I felt vindicated in going Kim Jong Un on your asses the next day

2) It is disingenuous to keep saying my PoE was bad. Every single player's PoE was and is bad, considering our situation here, where we can't find the last wolf (or wolves). Yours included, as I know I'm town.

@Sloonei really need your input asap. Since you're the clear, I suggested to my hydra that we just sheep you. Let me know if theres anything we can do in terms of catching you up

-t

I am working this afternoon/evening. I will be home around 10 PM EST. After that, I’ll be free for the remainder of the phase and plan to do some heavy analysis with that time.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:19 pm**

Please save the game, Thread Daddy

-t

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:52 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:10 pm Dizzys SR on us feels real and I feel like its towny

I really think it's just Golden. Golden is not pushing a scumread today, he is just defending himself

To answer some points @Dyslexicon

1) We were passive about SVS because I was scared. I lacked confidence and I didnt want to be controlling. I was hoping you guys see something that I dont. Sheep was the one who wrote that post you quoted, not me. After I saw the Scotty flip I felt vindicated in going Kim Jong Un on your asses the next day

2) It is disingenuous to keep saying my PoE was bad. Every single player's PoE was and is bad, considering our situation here, where we can't find the last wolf (or wolves). Yours included, as I know I'm town.

@Sloonei really need your input asap. Since you're the clear, I suggested to my hydra that we just sheep you. Let me know if theres anything we can do in terms of catching you up

-t

Instead of just vibing can I please suggest you iso me.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:54 pm**

Thinking it’s me is paranoia and a really bad take.

I’ve started an iso on Porscha and I’m pretty confident that’s your answer which I’ve said multiple times. I’m not pushing it because I haven’t done the work yet.

But tutuu, you haven’t done the work either. Stop confbiasing yourself over and over and go read, I beg of you.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:56 pm**

As far as I’ve got in Porscha iso her only mention or interaction with other wolves is to ask someone why they wr MR. I haven’t had time to go further.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:02 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:23 am Dizzy carried in a wolf game with me earlier this year lol like our 3rd teammate got mod killed day 1 and I was caught by day 2 and dizzy won so yeah
Yeah, and I straight up bussed both of you hard and coasted on that. I didn't have any mech clearing me. That's way different, or do you feel like it's the same?

I didn't read that much of the game so I dont recall much tbh and like I sorta feel like you had to bus us anyway so idk lol I'm just giving you a compliment

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