Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Damn Epignosis out here with the good points again.Epignosis wrote:Additionally, Lorab's focus in her last post was on her own voters rather than the DFaraday voters. Given that DFaraday was good and was Tom's victim, I would expect an almost-lynched Tom to use DFaraday's lynch to look for suspects. Lorab didn't go that route.
Lorab, who among DFaraday's remaining voters is the most suspicious to you?
Llama and Wilgy.. are they defending Lorab? Llama seems to believe Lorab is the lynch switcher, contrary to Epi's theory. Llama is interested in a Scotty suspicion. So is Nerolunar. So is Dom. Dom and Nero also suspect Lorab, just slightly less.thellama73 wrote:Yes, I concur with this.DrWilgy wrote:I want reason for your Rab suspicion 1st if you can daisy.
Scotty is one I could easily see being bad. He's kept kind of a low profile this game.
Matt is sort of a wild card in this game, is he more zany than substance? I feel like he's had some suspicion, but he's hard to keep a hold of. After Metalmarsh votes for him, he counter-votes Metalmarsh.Matt wrote:Yeah sig is totes bad so I'll join him and vote ika.
Derp.
Nero says no, Scotty looks badder. ika and Wilgy both prefer sig, but ika's vote is on Llama.I don't understand your question?DrWilgy wrote:Seems like a good reason to me. Sig why is the reason behind your vote more concerning than the fact that it happened?sig wrote:Day 4 and only vibrations? Not a very good reason to vote.DrWilgy wrote:Im getting baddie vibrations from Sig.
I'll vote there.
I assume you mean this post? I wanted to know how everyone else thought of her post, which I read as manipulative. Since Epi refused to answer and nobody else did I went with my thoughts that it was manipulative. Since according to him "meta is foolish"sig wrote:I think I wouldn't need to have asked a loaded question if someone had given me a meta read/insight instead of saying meta was foolish.Epignosis wrote:What do you think of loaded questions?sig wrote:I disagree. Though if you won't talk meta what do you think of her slightly manipulative posts and comments about how fast and crazy the game is.Epignosis wrote:"Meta" is foolishness.
But Llama is voting for Scotty.sig wrote:I don't understand your question?DrWilgy wrote:Seems like a good reason to me. Sig why is the reason behind your vote more concerning than the fact that it happened?sig wrote:Day 4 and only vibrations? Not a very good reason to vote.DrWilgy wrote:Im getting baddie vibrations from Sig.
I'll vote there.
linki: aww that isn't very nice. Good news though? Llama bussing me on weak reasons probably means he is mafia.
It wasn't a slip or anything close, Epi didn't answer my meta question yet went out of his way to say so. Then I asked in a different way and he still didn't answer.
And I think your question was manipulative.I didn't view my question as manipulative mainly since I wasn't hiding my thoughts. I think someone said that wasn't the case and I'm willing to believe them.Long Con wrote:But Llama is voting for Scotty.sig wrote:I don't understand your question?DrWilgy wrote:Seems like a good reason to me. Sig why is the reason behind your vote more concerning than the fact that it happened?sig wrote:Day 4 and only vibrations? Not a very good reason to vote.DrWilgy wrote:Im getting baddie vibrations from Sig.
I'll vote there.
linki: aww that isn't very nice. Good news though? Llama bussing me on weak reasons probably means he is mafia.
It wasn't a slip or anything close, Epi didn't answer my meta question yet went out of his way to say so. Then I asked in a different way and he still didn't answer.
Linki: I discussed Illy when I posted, and I don't think there's much there to suspect. You think she was manipulative when scolding Dom?
Your reason to vote for Scotty would be to tie it with Sig, and sig is awesome.Epignosis wrote:At present, I would be willing to vote sig or Scotty, but my willingness needs reason.
sig.sig wrote:Your reason to vote for Scotty would be to tie it with Sig, and sig is awesome.Epignosis wrote:At present, I would be willing to vote sig or Scotty, but my willingness needs reason.
Or you could join me and vote for Ika.
Well it was worth a try.Epignosis wrote:sig.sig wrote:Your reason to vote for Scotty would be to tie it with Sig, and sig is awesome.Epignosis wrote:At present, I would be willing to vote sig or Scotty, but my willingness needs reason.
Or you could join me and vote for Ika.
ika.
I don't do, "Hey help me lynch this guy" and "join me and vote that guy!"
A fly-by vote without a post is not how I like to see a vote cast, I agree with you there.sig wrote:@LC the fact it was a fly by vote right after you voted was the issue, not the fact he voted for me. However, I was only a major suspect after I suspected him.
No moral qualms for voting a silenced guy? I hadn't realized he was silenced.Epignosis wrote:I voted silenced Scotty. I gather he is silenced because only he and Illyria have not posted, but he has votes but has said nothing.
I never have moral qualms about that (well, mostly never). When the silencing is coming from a civilian, then I take a silencing to mean, "Shoosh, villain!"Long Con wrote:No moral qualms for voting a silenced guy? I hadn't realized he was silenced.Epignosis wrote:I voted silenced Scotty. I gather he is silenced because only he and Illyria have not posted, but he has votes but has said nothing.
A Civ might also silence one who is merely at their throat too much as well... but you already suspected Scotty, so I can understand why you'd lean that way.Epignosis wrote:I never have moral qualms about that (well, mostly never). When the silencing is coming from a civilian, then I take a silencing to mean, "Shoosh, villain!"Long Con wrote:No moral qualms for voting a silenced guy? I hadn't realized he was silenced.Epignosis wrote:I voted silenced Scotty. I gather he is silenced because only he and Illyria have not posted, but he has votes but has said nothing.
Why did you vote spacedaisy but refrain from a second bout like you did with DFaraday?Long Con wrote:A Civ might also silence one who is merely at their throat too much as well... but you already suspected Scotty, so I can understand why you'd lean that way.Epignosis wrote:I never have moral qualms about that (well, mostly never). When the silencing is coming from a civilian, then I take a silencing to mean, "Shoosh, villain!"Long Con wrote:No moral qualms for voting a silenced guy? I hadn't realized he was silenced.Epignosis wrote:I voted silenced Scotty. I gather he is silenced because only he and Illyria have not posted, but he has votes but has said nothing.
Spacedaisy, but I'm interesting in what sig is saying-- not positively.Long Con wrote:Dom, I see you haven't voted yet? Where would you place your vote if you were to vote now?
sig wrote:Nice of Ika to slip in that nice NO U fly by vote also
I voted Spacedaisy because I got back to vote very late in the lynch, when it was something like 8-6, Lorab over Daisy, and I suspect Daisy more than Lorab. However, my suspicion of Daisy had already fallen quite a bit even by that time, and I'd put her in a neutral yellowish area of a current rainbow list. Also, I don't necessarily vote in twos as a rule.Epignosis wrote:Why did you vote spacedaisy but refrain from a second bout like you did with DFaraday?Long Con wrote:A Civ might also silence one who is merely at their throat too much as well... but you already suspected Scotty, so I can understand why you'd lean that way.Epignosis wrote:I never have moral qualms about that (well, mostly never). When the silencing is coming from a civilian, then I take a silencing to mean, "Shoosh, villain!"Long Con wrote:No moral qualms for voting a silenced guy? I hadn't realized he was silenced.Epignosis wrote:I voted silenced Scotty. I gather he is silenced because only he and Illyria have not posted, but he has votes but has said nothing.
Actually, no I can't. I think I mixed Llama's suspicion up with yours, sorry.Epignosis wrote:Additionally, can you show me where I suspected Scotty previously?
No worries.Long Con wrote:Actually, no I can't. I think I mixed Llama's suspicion up with yours, sorry.Epignosis wrote:Additionally, can you show me where I suspected Scotty previously?
Indeed, I am not the lynch switcher.Epignosis wrote:Day 1: Long Con, thellama73, and sig.LoRab wrote:Do you have a list handy of who those voters are?Epignosis wrote:Additionally, Lorab's focus in her last post was on her own voters rather than the DFaraday voters. Given that DFaraday was good and was Tom's victim, I would expect an almost-lynched Tom to use DFaraday's lynch to look for suspects. Lorab didn't go that route.
Lorab, who among DFaraday's remaining voters is the most suspicious to you?
Day 2: Nerolunar, sig, Long Con, and Matt
I've been doing some ISOing and this popped out to me. I never once meant to imply that Bubbles would be replaced without her consent that quickly, especially directly after her posting/voting. I don't know any host who would do that. I always believed that Bubbles had asked for a replacement but not told us in thread and that she did it in a hurry for some reason. I was wrong about her alignment clearly. But this statement by Matt went right by me. He had been posting and voting, why would he have to convince Elo to let him continue to play? That seems out of character for any host.Matt wrote:Avert your eyes, Scotty...thellama73 wrote:I agree with this. I think hosts are more likely to replace baddies whose team needs them than a lone civ. Many hosts have disagreed with me on this, but I've seen it happen, man.Spacedaisy wrote:I'm at work so let me keep my explanation quick. Matt is low engagement right now, but he has not been replaced. I think a person who believes they might not have time is more likely to hang in there longer if they are a civ, because they don't have teammates they know they are letting down. Civs don't know who their teammates are so they are less likely to feel the pressure of helping their team. That was a very fast replacement and she didn't say anything about getting a replacement in her post that I recall. Most civs announce they are going to ask for one.
Still *catching up* (on page 10), but I don't think Bubbles being replaced has anything to do with her/bea's alignment. I was very nearly replaced just the other day, but I convinced our gracious hostess that I would play more and I'm civ soooo...
Also, Lol @ Epi. Yeah dude, I realized the irony after I posted it
Anyway, Illy is still my top suspect. Lots and lots of questions about multi-quoting, how to post in off topic, etc, it really feels like she's pushing the "I'm not on a team, see, look at all my questions about stuff" agenda.
I like reading about dying Wilgy and his diary pages. Good stuff.
Looks like Daisy is the first to vote for bwt (?) when Dom and DF were getting heat the other day. Hrm.
Anyway, I'll be back in a bit.
That certainly pops out. I don't know what to think about that, forcible replacements are pretty rare.Spacedaisy wrote:I've been doing some ISOing and this popped out to me. I never once meant to imply that Bubbles would be replaced without her consent that quickly, especially directly after her posting/voting. I don't know any host who would do that. I always believed that Bubbles had asked for a replacement but not told us in thread and that she did it in a hurry for some reason. I was wrong about her alignment clearly. But this statement by Matt went right by me. He had been posting and voting, why would he have to convince Elo to let him continue to play? That seems out of character for any host.Matt wrote:Avert your eyes, Scotty...thellama73 wrote:I agree with this. I think hosts are more likely to replace baddies whose team needs them than a lone civ. Many hosts have disagreed with me on this, but I've seen it happen, man.Spacedaisy wrote:I'm at work so let me keep my explanation quick. Matt is low engagement right now, but he has not been replaced. I think a person who believes they might not have time is more likely to hang in there longer if they are a civ, because they don't have teammates they know they are letting down. Civs don't know who their teammates are so they are less likely to feel the pressure of helping their team. That was a very fast replacement and she didn't say anything about getting a replacement in her post that I recall. Most civs announce they are going to ask for one.
Still *catching up* (on page 10), but I don't think Bubbles being replaced has anything to do with her/bea's alignment. I was very nearly replaced just the other day, but I convinced our gracious hostess that I would play more and I'm civ soooo...
Also, Lol @ Epi. Yeah dude, I realized the irony after I posted it
Anyway, Illy is still my top suspect. Lots and lots of questions about multi-quoting, how to post in off topic, etc, it really feels like she's pushing the "I'm not on a team, see, look at all my questions about stuff" agenda.
I like reading about dying Wilgy and his diary pages. Good stuff.
Looks like Daisy is the first to vote for bwt (?) when Dom and DF were getting heat the other day. Hrm.
Anyway, I'll be back in a bit.
Epi, you know your wife better than I do, does this seem to fit something she would do as a host?
Better yet, Hostess: Would a player who was actively posting and voting be replaced without first asking for a replacement?
Off to continue my ISOs...
Hey Marshie, What is this statement about?Metalmarsh89 wrote:It wasn't just the succession of posts, as I explained already. It was the content of the posts and the change in opinion between two them. I had to quote and explain them in different posts than my vote because I was on my phone at that moment.Scotty wrote:You don't have to talk about your thoughts on the trains, it's just the absence of mentioning them at all and attaching yourself to bwt for posting in succession, of all things, seemed like a thin reason and convenient attempt to start another wagon.
Your explanation here about not voting Ddaraday is welcomed here in the manor, but I'm not sated unfortunately. It just seems convenient is all.
Also, what are you doing in the manor? I'm chillin' in the garden.
*stops nibbling feet*Polo wrote:Being dead is really quite calming but can somebody please make these rats stop nibbling my feet?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the doctor's faking. No one else has been cursed.
Weren't you one of the players who suspected Bubbles because she HAD been replaced and Matt hadn't?Spacedaisy wrote:I've been doing some ISOing and this popped out to me. I never once meant to imply that Bubbles would be replaced without her consent that quickly, especially directly after her posting/voting. I don't know any host who would do that. I always believed that Bubbles had asked for a replacement but not told us in thread and that she did it in a hurry for some reason. I was wrong about her alignment clearly. But this statement by Matt went right by me. He had been posting and voting, why would he have to convince Elo to let him continue to play? That seems out of character for any host.Matt wrote:Avert your eyes, Scotty...thellama73 wrote:I agree with this. I think hosts are more likely to replace baddies whose team needs them than a lone civ. Many hosts have disagreed with me on this, but I've seen it happen, man.Spacedaisy wrote:I'm at work so let me keep my explanation quick. Matt is low engagement right now, but he has not been replaced. I think a person who believes they might not have time is more likely to hang in there longer if they are a civ, because they don't have teammates they know they are letting down. Civs don't know who their teammates are so they are less likely to feel the pressure of helping their team. That was a very fast replacement and she didn't say anything about getting a replacement in her post that I recall. Most civs announce they are going to ask for one.
Still *catching up* (on page 10), but I don't think Bubbles being replaced has anything to do with her/bea's alignment. I was very nearly replaced just the other day, but I convinced our gracious hostess that I would play more and I'm civ soooo...
Also, Lol @ Epi. Yeah dude, I realized the irony after I posted it
Anyway, Illy is still my top suspect. Lots and lots of questions about multi-quoting, how to post in off topic, etc, it really feels like she's pushing the "I'm not on a team, see, look at all my questions about stuff" agenda.
I like reading about dying Wilgy and his diary pages. Good stuff.
Looks like Daisy is the first to vote for bwt (?) when Dom and DF were getting heat the other day. Hrm.
Anyway, I'll be back in a bit.
Epi, you know your wife better than I do, does this seem to fit something she would do as a host?
Better yet, Hostess: Would a player who was actively posting and voting be replaced without first asking for a replacement?
Off to continue my ISOs...
I trust Wilgy.Spacedaisy wrote:After reading MM, I feel like I can move him up with Black Rock into the slight civ read group, edging on full civ read. The only thing that gave me pause was the quote I already mentioned there and I suspect I'm tinfoiling, but I'd like to see his response and anyone else on that silly little statement.
That said, I disagree with the following statement. I'm not convinced the doctor is faking. We didn't see anyone insanified Day 1, it could easily be faked if they felt the insanifier was dead. Have we seen anyone insanified today? I haven't yet read back over Wilgy yet, but my gut is still unsettled about his "insanified" posts.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the doctor's faking. No one else has been cursed.
I think.Is it just me, or did you mean to say the opposite of this statement? Maybe "I'm not convinced the doctor isn't faking"?Spacedaisy wrote:That said, I disagree with the following statement. I'm not convinced the doctor is faking. We didn't see anyone insanified Day 1, it could easily be faked if they felt the insanifier was dead. Have we seen anyone insanified today? I haven't yet read back over Wilgy yet, but my gut is still unsettled about his "insanified" posts.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the doctor's faking. No one else has been cursed.
That statement was about BWT and my Day 1 suspicion of him. Scotty thought I suspected BWT for posting twice in a row. I explained that no, it was because he said two different things in consecutive posts.Spacedaisy wrote:Hey Marshie, What is this statement about?Metalmarsh89 wrote:It wasn't just the succession of posts, as I explained already. It was the content of the posts and the change in opinion between two them. I had to quote and explain them in different posts than my vote because I was on my phone at that moment.Scotty wrote:You don't have to talk about your thoughts on the trains, it's just the absence of mentioning them at all and attaching yourself to bwt for posting in succession, of all things, seemed like a thin reason and convenient attempt to start another wagon.
Your explanation here about not voting Ddaraday is welcomed here in the manor, but I'm not sated unfortunately. It just seems convenient is all.
Also, what are you doing in the manor? I'm chillin' in the garden.
The only reason DrWilgy would have to fake being insanified is if he is mafia. I can't think of a town reason to fake such a thing.Spacedaisy wrote:After reading MM, I feel like I can move him up with Black Rock into the slight civ read group, edging on full civ read. The only thing that gave me pause was the quote I already mentioned there and I suspect I'm tinfoiling, but I'd like to see his response and anyone else on that silly little statement.
That said, I disagree with the following statement. I'm not convinced the doctor is faking. We didn't see anyone insanified Day 1, it could easily be faked if they felt the insanifier was dead. Have we seen anyone insanified today? I haven't yet read back over Wilgy yet, but my gut is still unsettled about his "insanified" posts.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the doctor's faking. No one else has been cursed.
You mean I can get you lynched without you around to defend yourself?thellama73 wrote:I will be unavailable for the rest of today after about noon, so if anyone has anything to discuss with me, do it now.
I think you're right, and I'm sure Spacedaisy will agree.Long Con wrote:Is it just me, or did you mean to say the opposite of this statement? Maybe "I'm not convinced the doctor isn't faking"?Spacedaisy wrote:That said, I disagree with the following statement. I'm not convinced the doctor is faking. We didn't see anyone insanified Day 1, it could easily be faked if they felt the insanifier was dead. Have we seen anyone insanified today? I haven't yet read back over Wilgy yet, but my gut is still unsettled about his "insanified" posts.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the doctor's faking. No one else has been cursed.
Yep! Go for it!Epignosis wrote:You mean I can get you lynched without you around to defend yourself?thellama73 wrote:I will be unavailable for the rest of today after about noon, so if anyone has anything to discuss with me, do it now.
I would have never thought to ask that one. I think it was always best to consider Silver a Civ, rather than an extremely unfortunate baddie.Epignosis wrote:I just asked the host something else.
Kills can be blocked but not redirected. Therefore, what Lorab suggested about Silverwolf isn't possible. Silverwolf is 100% civilian.
I've been rather aapjistic lately.Long Con wrote:I would have never thought to ask that one. I think it was always best to consider Silver a Civ, rather than an extremely unfortunate baddie.Epignosis wrote:I just asked the host something else.
Kills can be blocked but not redirected. Therefore, what Lorab suggested about Silverwolf isn't possible. Silverwolf is 100% civilian.
