The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 pm I’m probably dead. Mac is the player I’d lynch if it was Day right now.

Timmer, sig, and Epi are my most confident town reads. Everyone else is on the table.

But I’d still need to be convinced that Wilgy or Long Con are not town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:59 am Sloonei if DDL is scum do you reckon he would go hard after town me or try to buddy me? Assuming I am spanking town as I am.

This is some annoying underestimation of Scum Me but I'll let it pass because you are defending me.

It was a question not a statement.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 pm I’m probably dead. Mac is the player I’d lynch if it was Day right now.

Timmer, sig, and Epi are my most confident town reads. Everyone else is on the table.

When have you ever seen scum Mac lurk? This is clearly one of my rarer town forms. Stfu.

Would scum do this?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 pm I’m probably dead. Mac is the player I’d lynch if it was Day right now.

Timmer, sig, and Epi are my most confident town reads. Everyone else is on the table.

When have you ever seen scum Mac lurk? This is clearly one of my rarer town forms. Stfu.

I don’t think you are lurking by choice.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:19 pm Would scum do this?

shit nvm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 pm I’m probably dead. Mac is the player I’d lynch if it was Day right now.

Timmer, sig, and Epi are my most confident town reads. Everyone else is on the table.

When have you ever seen scum Mac lurk? This is clearly one of my rarer town forms. Stfu.

I don’t think you are lurking by choice.

Well it's because I keep forgetting that I am in mafia games. So it's kinda by choice.

"Oh you nasty files" Sergeant Bit growled.

"Yes," Detective Byte agreed. "They did a real number on this one."

"His girl will be distraught," Bit said.

"I don't know," Bit said. "From what I gather, she wants to party all the time. She might be just fine without him."

"Then maybe that Sussudio gal will mourn him."

"But she don't even know his name."

"See here," Bit said, pointing to some ones and zeros. "He thinks she like him just the same though."

"Well," Byte sighed, "they'll never go riding on the Freeway of Love, that's for sure."

"It's happening, Byte," Bit said with a smile.

"What?"

"We're starting to talk like them."

"Ah jeez, Sergeant. The sooner we can get out of here the better."

"Agreed," said Bit. "Now let's clean this mess up and see who they want disintegrated next."

Sloonei is mafia.

This is not a test. Sloonei is mafia.

Creature voters:

timmer - DEAD

Quin - DEAD

Dyslexicon - DEAD

Sloonei - ALIVE

Who the fuck kills timmer, Quin, and Dys before Sloonei?

Sloonei does.

Also:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:49 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:36 pm Talk to me about Epi, Sloonei. Think it's a slam dunk

I have caught scum epi multiple times in the past (and been fooled by him multiple times), and every time i’ve caught it’s been because I was able to identify something specific in his play. I don’t want to go into too much detail about it because that would give him ammunition in the future. But I have not seen anything from him this game that resembles those past games in here.

I don't have a tell. Fuck off.

Why would I make kills that so directly point to me being scum?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:19 am Why would I make kills that so directly point to me being scum?

I don't know. Why did you?

There is absolutely no reason anyone should assert me as civilian.

The fact that you do, Sloonei, it horseshit.

Horseshit.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:25 am There is absolutely no reason anyone should assert me as civilian.

The fact that you do, Sloonei, it horseshit.

Horseshit.

You’re just trying to draw my secrets out of me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:38 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:25 am There is absolutely no reason anyone should assert me as civilian.

The fact that you do, Sloonei, it horseshit.

Horseshit.

You’re just trying to draw my secrets out of me.

No, I'm trying to have you lynched.

When Epi is scum, he attacks the game. He is not passive. He makes things happen, he has a presence, and he makes the thread respond to his agenda.

He had done no such thing on Days 1-3. That is why I have had a town read on him. Now in Day 4 he has come out of the gate pushing a theory about me as scum based on the pattern of nightkills. So I need to ask myself (and anyone else who cares): is it likely that scum Epignosis would think it’s possible to lynch town Sloonei on Day 4 of this mafia game, as opposed to killing him outright?

I lean toward no at the moment.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:43 am When Epi is scum, he attacks the game. He is not passive. He makes things happen, he has a presence, and he makes the thread respond to his agenda.

He had done no such thing on Days 1-3. That is why I have had a town read on him. Now in Day 4 he has come out of the gate pushing a theory about me as scum based on the pattern of nightkills. So I need to ask myself (and anyone else who cares): is it likely that scum Epignosis would think it’s possible to lynch town Sloonei on Day 4 of this mafia game, as opposed to killing him outright?

I lean toward no at the moment.

This has been bullshit for two years. I "attack" then I have time to do so. I work my ass off to feed my family.

Remove Sloonei please.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:43 am When Epi is scum, he attacks the game. He is not passive. He makes things happen, he has a presence, and he makes the thread respond to his agenda.

He had done no such thing on Days 1-3. That is why I have had a town read on him. Now in Day 4 he has come out of the gate pushing a theory about me as scum based on the pattern of nightkills. So I need to ask myself (and anyone else who cares): is it likely that scum Epignosis would think it’s possible to lynch town Sloonei on Day 4 of this mafia game, as opposed to killing him outright?

I lean toward no at the moment.

This has been bullshit for two years. I "attack" then I have time to do so. I work my ass off to feed my family.

Remove Sloonei please.

Maybe that’s true. Maybe you’re just scum in this game.

Maybe.

Epi being mafia would help to explain why so many of my reads have felt unsatisfying.

Who doesn’t kill Sloonei:

1) Sloonei
2) Epi (but Epi doesn’t start trying to lynch Sloonei Day 4 after not killing him)
3) Sig
3) LC teamed with not Mac or maybe DDL
4) Wilgy teamed with not Mac or maybe DDL
5) Mac team trying to out-WIFOM the game

Step 2) If Sloonei is scum, is the assumption just that he can out-WIFOM the deaths of TMN without his own? Why doesn’t he just kill Sig or something and then Timmer tomorrow? Sloonei as scum eventually has to deal with the “why am I not dead”, but why cause that eventuality? I also agree with the notion that Sloonei would prefer to leave the team alive and coast with them, but he does get lynched first I think if two or three survive, but at least he’d leave up Timmer.

So 1 is unlikely I think. 2 is unlikely I think.
Maybe I’m just saying these because they confirm my previous reads. *shrug*

Another option is that the mafia team is afraid of a potential doctor saving me.

Or they’re leaving me alive because I’ve been dead wrong about everything.

So let’s assume Epi assumes he can get a kill on Sloonei today.
That leaves
Me Epi Wilgy Michelle LC Sig DDL Mac
You still need two lynches, and you’ve shown your hand pretty significantly. Doesn’t seem like a safe scum strat. But you can get out of it?

I think the teams that don’t kill Sloonei arent as wide as I thought 3 minutes ago, because if you don’t commit to trying to lynch Sloonei today presumably you intend to not kill him tonight, which probably carries at least til LyLo. Why would you leave an active Sloonei around? Unless he’s totally wrong about everything.

Which would imply likely Epi scum. Which takes us back to where we started.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:39 am So let’s assume Epi assumes he can get a kill on Sloonei today.
That leaves
Me Epi Wilgy Michelle LC Sig DDL Mac
You still need two lynches, and you’ve shown your hand pretty significantly. Doesn’t seem like a safe scum strat. But you can get out of it?

I think the teams that don’t kill Sloonei arent as wide as I thought 3 minutes ago, because if you don’t commit to trying to lynch Sloonei today presumably you intend to not kill him tonight, which probably carries at least til LyLo. Why would you leave an active Sloonei around? Unless he’s totally wrong about everything.

Which would imply likely Epi scum. Which takes us back to where we started.

What if I’m mafia?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:36 am Another option is that the mafia team is afraid of a potential doctor saving me.

Or they’re leaving me alive because I’ve been dead wrong about everything.

Hey that’s on the list I just made.

Doctor fear is interesting and unquantifiable

I could be left alive so that the mafia team can scratch their heads at all the wifomy reasons that I was left alive and look good for doing it.

I voted for Mac a while ago, for what it’s worth. Haven’t moved it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:41 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:39 am So let’s assume Epi assumes he can get a kill on Sloonei today.
That leaves
Me Epi Wilgy Michelle LC Sig DDL Mac
You still need two lynches, and you’ve shown your hand pretty significantly. Doesn’t seem like a safe scum strat. But you can get out of it?

I think the teams that don’t kill Sloonei arent as wide as I thought 3 minutes ago, because if you don’t commit to trying to lynch Sloonei today presumably you intend to not kill him tonight, which probably carries at least til LyLo. Why would you leave an active Sloonei around? Unless he’s totally wrong about everything.

Which would imply likely Epi scum. Which takes us back to where we started.

What if I’m mafia?

If you’re scum you probably only kill the three if you have strong town control anyways, or if you’re with Sig. (Sloonei/Sig is actually a reasonable pairing here I think, but my guess is that has even more incentive to leave Timmer alive just as a voting bloc improvement.) But I think if you feel comfortable with your position Timmer is a reasonable night kill in any case, you can WIFOM your way out of any fingers pointed your way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:45 am I could be left alive so that the mafia team can scratch their heads at all the wifomy reasons that I was left alive and look good for doing it.

Stifling debate is a negative point for Sloonei but it’s fair?

Sloonei why wouldn’t Mac kill you

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:49 am Sloonei why wouldn’t Mac kill you

I don’t know. I don’t know why anyone would leave me alive at this point. I was fully expecting to die tonight. But at least players are mafia and they agreed to kill somebody else instead.

I’ll sleep on it. Maybe I’ll make a team combo table tomorrow

I do think I’d be the most compelling mislynch candidate out of our original group of four. I’d be the easiest one to direct paranoia at. They’d probably need at least two civilians to vote against me, which is not impossible and would provide a nice buffer for them, so it’s not like they’d be super exposed. My attention here turns to the players who’ve been most consistently skeptical of me: Mac and DDL. It’s possible that they’re both town and the mafia team is hoping to capitalize on their opposition to me (DDL hasn’t outright suspected me, but he’s maintained some healthy skepticism).

But if the plan is to mislynch me rather than simply kill me, the mafia team is making a brazen move here. I’m not sure I’d eliminate anyone from that pool just yet.

So it doesn’t get lost: I’d like to take a closer look at how the last two lynches went down. Neither Dom nor nova were heavy suspects during the days on which they were lynched, but both ended up with comfortable leads.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for now. I’ll see how I feel in the morning.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:25 am So it doesn’t get lost: I’d like to take a closer look at how the last two lynches went down. Neither Dom nor nova were heavy suspects during the days on which they were lynched, but both ended up with comfortable leads.

this is the most logical starting point indeed.

I typed the lynch vote counts to can see all wagons with the AIs.
Hope is correct, it's pretty difficult to make it on phone, please make corrections if needed:

day 1
Creature 4 - Tmmer, Quin, Sloonei, Dizxy
DDL 2 - TSP, Long Con
Dizzy 1 - Dom
Epy 1 - Creature
Long Con 2 - DDL, Mac
Mac 1 - Epy
Sloonei 1 - Sig
Timmer 1 - Dr.Wilgy
Non voting - my slot

day 2
Dom 6 - Dr.Wilgy, TSP, Mac, Epi, Long Con, Sloonei
Dr.Wilgy 1 - Mich
Long Con 1 - DDL
Sig 1 - Dom
TSP 2 - Dizzy, Sig

day 3
Dr.Wilgy 1 - Mich
Epi 1 - Nova
Mac 2 - TSP, Long Con
Sloonei 1 - Mac
Nove 5 - Timmer, Epi, Sloonei, sig, DDL

I can't search on phone, maybe someone can search the votes in posts? (i'll do this if I can have pc time later)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:38 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:25 am There is absolutely no reason anyone should assert me as civilian.

The fact that you do, Sloonei, it horseshit.

Horseshit.

You’re just trying to draw my secrets out of me.

This is caught

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:15 am Epi being mafia would help to explain why so many of my reads have felt unsatisfying.

If you flip scum he's lynching himself anyway so down you go buddy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:41 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:39 am So let’s assume Epi assumes he can get a kill on Sloonei today.
That leaves
Me Epi Wilgy Michelle LC Sig DDL Mac
You still need two lynches, and you’ve shown your hand pretty significantly. Doesn’t seem like a safe scum strat. But you can get out of it?

I think the teams that don’t kill Sloonei arent as wide as I thought 3 minutes ago, because if you don’t commit to trying to lynch Sloonei today presumably you intend to not kill him tonight, which probably carries at least til LyLo. Why would you leave an active Sloonei around? Unless he’s totally wrong about everything.

Which would imply likely Epi scum. Which takes us back to where we started.

What if I’m mafia?

Team

Mates

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:46 am I voted for Mac a while ago, for what it’s worth. Haven’t moved it.

Voting for a townie. How scummy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:25 am So it doesn’t get lost: I’d like to take a closer look at how the last two lynches went down. Neither Dom nor nova were heavy suspects during the days on which they were lynched, but both ended up with comfortable leads.

They were two lazy ass lynches because our resident superboy Sloonei is numma 1 boolshit

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:15 am Epi being mafia would help to explain why so many of my reads have felt unsatisfying.

If you flip scum he's lynching himself anyway so down you go buddy

What do you mean?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:46 am I voted for Mac a while ago, for what it’s worth. Haven’t moved it.

Voting for a townie. How scummy.

If you are indeed town then you’re the reason I’m still alive AND the reason their plan will work today.

[VOTE: Long con] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:59 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:15 am Epi being mafia would help to explain why so many of my reads have felt unsatisfying.

If you flip scum he's lynching himself anyway so down you go buddy

What do you mean?

What’s my alignment?

This is a day where I’m justified in making everyone talk about me. Hot damn.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:13 pm [VOTE: Long con] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:59 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:15 am Epi being mafia would help to explain why so many of my reads have felt unsatisfying.

If you flip scum he's lynching himself anyway so down you go buddy

What do you mean?

What’s my alignment?

I think you're town. Did you not like my question to Macdougall?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:13 pm [VOTE: Long con] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:59 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:15 am Epi being mafia would help to explain why so many of my reads have felt unsatisfying.

If you flip scum he's lynching himself anyway so down you go buddy

What do you mean?

What’s my alignment?

I think you're town. Did you not like my question to Macdougall?

Just wanted to ask. Why am I town?