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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:40 pmLet's lynch Sig. You gotta trust me, I fucking promise you I'm town lol.
Why trust Noba what has he done that's townie at all? He didn't go after Dom at all our only flipped mafia and have instead just tunneled on me without ever after giving a good reason or building a case I can defend against it's all based off this idea of trust that makes no sense given that all the potential tmi roles are gone.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:06 amI hate this post. It's sensationalism. It doesn't feel like Nanook was necessarily relying on his own meta or even using it to aggressively defend himself or "absolves" himself like you're saying, it rather was just a remark about what he'd have done in that scenario.
It's not necessarily a bad look to share that kind of stuff, just like people that don't know him aren't just going to buy it. There is a lot of wifom in that kind of stuff. The way you paint his behavior as being an alternative to baddie hunting, and the in your face attitude is a much worse look imo.
Also I don't think he's done much baddie hunting to being with lol.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:19 pm Hmmm, that's my general gripe with him. There doesn't seem to be much progression in his reads, just a lot of aggressive prods and bland questions with no very little follow up. It's that aggressive attitude that makes me think that he isn't trying to figure anyone out nor even hear them out, he's just in your face from the get-go. I don't see much for a train of thoughts and the post/quotes seem arbitrary 'cause there is no conclusion or anything.
A lot of the suspicion feels also like surface stuff with things such as activity excuses/being absent/referring to self-meta. It's like he's looking at easy ways to fake suspect people and rolls with them aggressively to appear like he's confident and solving. It's the kind of milking scum reads that scum uses to navigate the game.
The progression on Sig was also another that pinged me. He hadn't even mentioned him prior to EoD2 at all and then in a matter of a few quoted posts with bland questions/prod, he jumped to the top of list. It feels fake especially since the post that kickstarted was Sig theorycrafting about the Indie and just making a bet, like that shit is NAI. He then shoehorned sig's Sabie suspicion which he hadn't mentioned before at all. The latter is something that Enrique mentioned, he didn't believe Sig for it. Shit is racing in my head lol, all three are part of the remuntada PoE so it's pretty interesting.
Go deep on Rej if you got time. He's a lock from me so I'll see if I can help you see the light in case I kick the bucket.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:44 pm About Sig, think it was his easy brush off of our interactions + Rej as civ that didn't feel earned for me at all. It's too easy and seemed like he just wanted to avoid it. I also didn't like how he immediately gave you a negative ping afterwards. The prod of Sabie is a mess, I can see town!sig being pinged by her entrance, it's more about how he went about it. He didn't mention her in that initial post having his good/bad gut pings, mentioning with an @ later on feels weird especially since she hadn't posted any game content at the time. Like why not for her to show up. Then there is the question itself doesn't feel like natural prodding or trying to figure or get someone to talk. It's too specific and it doesn't really match his interest in that interaction since he brushed it off earlier and didn't engage anyone else on it at all nor continued with her about it. To add-on about him allegedly being pinged by Sabie's entrance, I interacted with him about her D1 and he didn't mention I believe. It was her not answering his question that was a negative ping mentioned.
I also don't care much for how he branded a few interactions as NAI from afar. It feels cheap, it doesn't feel like he isn't trying to look into the meat of the posts to figure out how someone is behaving. There was also a few progressions that seemed pretty wonky. Most of his reads have been pretty safe.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:56 pmsig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:36 pm
For Nova if I'm getting what Epi is laying down plus and more importantly how it seems like he's setting up lynches.
What has Epi laid down? Setting up lynch seems like a sensational summary to what I'm doing, is having a PoE and trying to work it something you've never seen before?
Nova pushed the ET lynch to a degree and lock cleared ET based off of ET flipping mafia, one of his first posts was unclearing Creature and laying groundwork against him.
You're just narrating what I've done. Is something wrong with any of those things? Also I believe I locked Creature thinking he was Sleazy when TSP flipped non-Sleazy, if you notice I only locked him past N1 when TSP flipped. Not after the D1 lynch. The one based off of ET flipping Mafia was Dom who I said looked alright but should be locked if ET flips scum. Do you disagree with having that thought seeing their interactions?
He's also slowly building a case on me, based on what I already said with him asking Dom. He did the same thing, but more generally with Epi. I personally feel like he's trying to lead town to more lynches, but these lynches aren't in towns best interest and he's trying not to be seen as a the real pusher of lynches so when people flip civ he can't be blamed for it.
I'm building a case on you 'cause I suspect you. It not something new at all, I mentioned having bad feelings about you since D1 I believe. What have I done generally with Epi? He's been a strong town read of mine for a while now. I'm being pretty vocal about who I suspects and it ain't no secret, so I'm not sure how I'm trying to absolve myself from blame. "Trying to lead town to more lynches" is a hella of a spin, I mean townies try to lynches people they suspect lol. You're not even getting to the meat of my posts and judging me to figure me out, this is some surface-level fear-mongering bullshit.
I'm only hesitant of voting for Nova since Nanook is on it and he's only on it based off of what Epi said. I'm still a bit meh on Nanook and if Epi thinks Nova is mafia why hasn't he voted there? That entire thing is a bit weird, but my other point is independent of Epi/Nanook.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:53 pm You are narrating it. I'm not how you'd describe saying the following "Nova pushed the ET lynch to a degree and lock cleared ET based off of ET flipping mafia, one of his first posts was unclearing Creature and laying groundwork against him." without actually weighing on it and saying what is bad about it. What the fuck does "leading them without leading them" means? I'm asking clear cut questions and it's no secret who I suspects. You keep parroting this line and it all goes back to me asking Dom about you which I cleared to you and you haven't gotten back to me at all 'cause you got nothing there. I had asked him about you' cause he started suspecting you out of nowhere and you shot on top of his list although you two have been avoiding each other. And both of you were at the top of my list which again, is very public information.> approaching this from the perspective you have TMInovaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:19 pm The progression on Sig was also another that pinged me. He hadn't even mentioned him prior to EoD2 at all and then in a matter of a few quoted posts with bland questions/prod, he jumped to the top of list. It feels fake especially since the post that kickstarted was Sig theorycrafting about the Indie and just making a bet, like that shit is NAI. He then shoehorned sig's Sabie suspicion which he hadn't mentioned before at all. The latter is something that Enrique mentioned, he didn't believe Sig for it. Shit is racing in my head lol, all three are part of the remuntada PoE so it's pretty interesting.
Do you see what you're doing here lol? You're not arguing why I have TMI or why I'm scum, you're saying straight up that I am and using that to justify my behavior. You're going backwards instead of trying to figure me out or read me. You're doing that 'cause you have nothing. You have nothing 'cause I'm town and you're full of shit.
It also make perfect sense to lock clear Creature when you think he's a town role and unclear him when you learn that he isn't.
I've never asked Epi who he suspects. You're getting lost in your fake reads friendo. If you're actually reading my posts, you'd see I'm doing my own work. I guess that doesn't fit your narrative.
It is surface level, it absolutely is. You're not getting to the meat of any my pushes, reads or thoughts at all. You're basically just content painting a picture from far "Nova is pushing lynches, Nova is bad". The former is something you would do if you actually wanted to figure me out and read me. You'd look at my thoughts and see if they're genuine or if I'm faking them. You're not doing any of that at all.
It's based off of an overall strategy that you're rolling with after establishing me as scum which is the bullshit part. Why can't any of the thing that I've done be done by a townie?
I'm not spinning anything. I'm straight-up telling it how it is.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:57 pm Sig is the one that looks panicky trying to manage how to distance himself from the flip. The "I don't know how to read Dom" and trying to be ok with it while also saying he suspects others more is overdone and fake.
You don’t think Creature is Bender?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm I also think creature is scum for D1 vote and other reasons, but they’re fairly nebulous tbh.
Re-reading his D1, he was suspecting ET as much as LC and voted both at different times. Didn't feel like he had any big preferences on who gets lynched between the two, especially since it seemed he had them pegged as teammates. Feels like a waste of a limited ability shot for Creature as Bender. I think it makes more sense for Bender to be someone that scum read LC more. Also Bender seems to also have another ability that might have been at play.sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:58 amYou don’t think Creature is Bender?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm I also think creature is scum for D1 vote and other reasons, but they’re fairly nebulous tbh.
I think you can guess the answer to thatsprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:58 amYou don’t think Creature is Bender?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm I also think creature is scum for D1 vote and other reasons, but they’re fairly nebulous tbh.
nebulousNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:30 amI think you can guess the answer to thatsprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:58 amYou don’t think Creature is Bender?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm I also think creature is scum for D1 vote and other reasons, but they’re fairly nebulous tbh.
I don’t think that creature is bender because he’s scumsprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:20 amnebulousNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:30 amI think you can guess the answer to thatsprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:58 amYou don’t think Creature is Bender?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm I also think creature is scum for D1 vote and other reasons, but they’re fairly nebulous tbh.
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Bro whatsig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:25 pm Lynching me still makes no sense. Theres no case on me and literally no reason to suspect I'm mafia at this point. Now I was wrong on Mac but his death was obviously done to further the attempt to lynch me by what must be nanook/nova team.
Then you've got Creature who literally just votes no question asks beginning of day. This is going to shape up just like the ET lynch if town just blindly votes for me.
I don't see that either. I would think if mac were accusing sig and then he died then it would look more like a frame of him.
There was nothing to initially accuse you of. I don't go around accusing everyone to get stuff going lol. What do you know is trust your instincts throughout the game that had me as Town and Sig as scum, and vote him upsabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:12 amI don't see that either. I would think if mac were accusing sig and then he died then it would look more like a frame of him.
I'm torn on sig and nova. In looking through the ISO it's weird that sig sort of accused me based on my intro when nova usually does that. And nova didn't do that this time. Idk if there's a scenario where nova and sig are teammates but decided from the beginning to bus each other so one of them can get civ cred. Neither of them really seemed too keen on lynching dom. Dom and nova both voted sig. Maybe that would have been better than getting rid of the president role. Eh *shrug* but what do I know?
It's a legit thing you used to do. I just always assume it's you messing with me though so I typically don't put much stock into it. Just thought it was weird sig did it to me this time. I mean reads based on intros are kinda just whatever because nothing happened yet anyway. Since there's been a lot of back and forth on you vs sig I looked at both of your ISOs and happened to notice.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:41 am Hmmm the "Nova didn't do that this time" feels a bit contrived here. It's not something she had mentioned before, and it's weird to have it as a counterpart to Sig's pushing her which was something she's been allegedly uneasy with. A bit forced to force that "equal suspicion/torn" vibe me think.
It might be the tone but I read it as agenda-y. I don't know if they share a history, this is a weird claim to make unless you've played a lot of games with him. If he plays this way at all times, then it advantages both of his alignments equally. Creating another way of playing would make it obvious as to what alignment he is, because if he plays one way when he's an alignment, then anything that deviates from that is an obvious indicator as to him being another alignment.
Oh, I'm not debating. I remember my "We got one" meme lol, but what I'm saying is I don't do it every game to you and that's pretty obvioussabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:12 pmIt's a legit thing you used to do. I just always assume it's you messing with me though so I typically don't put much stock into it. Just thought it was weird sig did it to me this time. I mean reads based on intros are kinda just whatever because nothing happened yet anyway. Since there's been a lot of back and forth on you vs sig I looked at both of your ISOs and happened to notice.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:41 am Hmmm the "Nova didn't do that this time" feels a bit contrived here. It's not something she had mentioned before, and it's weird to have it as a counterpart to Sig's pushing her which was something she's been allegedly uneasy with. A bit forced to force that "equal suspicion/torn" vibe me think.
During the game and then after last lynch I thought mayhaps there's a reason you guys are so focused on each other and neither of you really wanted to vote for dom. Sigs vote on dom was merely self pres not because he wanted to and dom voted him but was trying to make cases on other people. I feel like sig looks worse after last lynch but I don't feel like you're town cleared either.
novas tried to much to TR me, if he TRd me correctly with solid argumentation, then I am willing to see it as civ novas, scum novas is more backstabberish also to people he TRssig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:47 pmWhy trust Noba what has he done that's townie at all? He didn't go after Dom at all our only flipped mafia and have instead just tunneled on me without ever after giving a good reason or building a case I can defend against it's all based off this idea of trust that makes no sense given that all the potential tmi roles are gone.
No join me and lynch nova
And I'd have bussed Dom to the shadow realm lol. Like I cased the dude before his wagon took off, he was in my top 2 scum reads and the writing was on the wall. That's a free meal 'cause I was in a perfect position, I never say no free food lmao.Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:01 pmnovas tried to much to TR me, if he TRd me correctly with solid argumentation, then I am willing to see it as civ novas, scum novas is more backstabberish also to people he TRssig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:47 pmWhy trust Noba what has he done that's townie at all? He didn't go after Dom at all our only flipped mafia and have instead just tunneled on me without ever after giving a good reason or building a case I can defend against it's all based off this idea of trust that makes no sense given that all the potential tmi roles are gone.
No join me and lynch nova
Why do all of a sudden sense they're both town when you accused both of them?
Besides you? Eh idk maybe epi?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:29 pm Sabie, if Sig flips scum, who else you got for third?
That's how uninformed people make decisions.
from my PoV it could be anyone, anyone who receives TRs or SRs
If you're talking about me, my vote had been on "no lynch" since the beginning of that Day.Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:00 pm ^ by the way, that is meant to explain why he wanted to get sig to 3 votes so it would be tied and make something out of Dom's lynch.
If he didn't vote beforehand, how could he have seen the voting results in order to say "seems like you didn't vote sig, let's fix that"
Now show how "weird" = "mafia."Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:29 pm I might end up voting Epi, and it’s not even because of that case alone although I like it.
A lot of his actions don’t really make much sense, he goes out to discredit MacDougall, afterwards he says that everyone on the wagon was clean. (?)
Kept going back to Enrique even though his scum read on him doesn’t make sense anymore. I read back and the Enrique scum read was 100% dependent on ET’s flip and he’s still trying to go towards that.
I think he’s also playing it really safe and hates keeping mislynch pools closed. He always keeps them open.
I don’t know if you guys will actually follow me on this, but I really think you should at least consider it. Him voting sig or , fuck that, even voting for anyone when he didn’t read anything when his goal in mind was to “make sure votes aren’t tampered with and the guy with majority votes gets lynched” doesn’t make sense and it was really agenda-y.
Another thing, I asked him about whether Nova was scummier than Dom and he said “At face value, no” when he was setting Nova up and didn’t say a word about Dom.
I just think that seeing the vote count being 4-2 and then voting for someone when your goal is to make sure the votes aren’t tampered with in a game where network president is a thing, is really weird.
I know it goes against my belief of Dom tming him town because he’s scared of him, but honestly, I just don’t know why I’m alive at this point. Could be a paranoid read. I think it’s worth a shot. Epi’s considerable case was on ET and then there was nothing else townie to him, and him constantly coming back to Enrique when the reasons for accusing him are literally non existent from his PoV is weird.
This is correct.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:34 pm
It doesn't feel like he was trying to discredit MacDougall directly, he said it was more about figuring me out. Think he thought my "town as fuck" read on Mac was bullshit and TMI-y. Felt more like some dirt my way than Mac.
And your reasoning for suspecting me was that I've voted and you haven't. Not sure how that works. Remember world asunder where you had info and you interpreted it way wrong and then we argued forever and you ended up being wrong about me? Feels like that's how this deal is going to go again here. If you actually believed your "case" on me why did you wait so long to vote me?
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