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Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:27 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP
It's D3 and we have 4 confirmed town? What's the criteria?

Dyson claims to have an ability that lets him target 3 players on N2 and the host confirms if all or town or nah. He targeted the other members of the “confirmed town” list and got back all were town.

Dyson isn’t confirmed town. The other 3 are confirmed town upon a Dyson townflip.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:32 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Literally, that’s one of the two way the power works so I don’t see how it can be a real power that Martin didn’t foresee possibly returning this result.
Well, the odds are actually not fantastic to return a positive except just by picking the top town names. Say dyson had picked anyone in the POE, returned negative, the ability is shit because plausible deniability in all 3 of the targets. Renders the role almost useless. Finding all 3 town is helpful for clearing.
I mean, it’s still really powerful.

Target 3 towncore = confirmed towncore or confirmed deepwolf
Target 2 towncore and 1 poe = basically a check on the poe person

The ability is only shit if you target 3 sus players and get back that they aren’t all town. Even if you do that, there’s a slim chance of getting back they’re all town, which is also really powerful.
Or that there could be a mole in the towncore. Still would risk a couple mislynches
Yeah but suppose you target like Scotty, Lime, Falcon and get there’s a wolf.

Yeet Falcon and he flips town.

Now that’s mechanical confirmation that at least one of 2 towncore members is a wolf, which is pretty good. You were gonna flip Falcon anyway.

Btw, these yeet orders that end with Ender….unless I did math wrong, we’ve got too many yeets because F3 is Jack/Ender/??? Assuming of course that there aren’t 2 wolves in Jack/Ender/???

I made them with the idea that I get yeeted at f3.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:33 pm**

Also I keep forgetting Lime. And so does Jack lmao.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:34 pm**

I'll need to re-ISO Lime later just in case they're slipping past me again.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:35 pm**

If we flip a wolf then aggressive jail tonight Rondo

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:35 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:35 pm If we flip a wolf then aggressive jail tonight Rondo

100% who would be top choice other than you?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:36 pm**

well that's interesting :P

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:36 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP
Yeh. Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scott
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 3 of Jack/Ender/Tony (maybe not Tony).

That’s not like an impossible scenario for the wolves but it is one where the wolves have to kill a mechanically confirmed player 3 nights in a row.

For Dyson to be telling the truth, I’ve been pocketed by a wolf who specifically isn’t Ilario, Scotty or Rondo and Martin put that ability in this game. Looking at 2 of Falcon, Gavil, Tony, Ender. And Falcon is kinda antialigned with Tony and Gavil.

For Dyson to be lying, Dyson just has to be lying.

This all assumes Lime magically disappears.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:36 pm**

Youve been watching for a while TSP glad youll finally join

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:37 pm**

i think I'm inclined to accept dyson's thing as fact, treat jack as reasonably obvious doc save, and run through the rest of the poe

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:37 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:36 pm Youve been watching for a while TSP glad youll finally join

i literally just showed opened the thread

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:38 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:33 pm Also I keep forgetting Lime. And so does Jack lmao.

I blame Scotty

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:38 pm**

ok then the guest is someone else

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:42 pm**

Try again!

Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scotty
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 4 of Jack/Ender/Lime/Tony (maybe not Tony).

Slightly worse odds but still pretty good.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:45 pm**

Honestly I think I get killed tonight, unless someone can protect me which I dont think so because I was the doc.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:46 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:42 pm Try again!

Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scotty
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 4 of Jack/Ender/Lime/Tony (maybe not Tony).

Slightly worse odds but still pretty good.

also they obviously skip at lylo 4

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:48 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:42 pm Try again!

Suppose Dyson is telling the truth and no further kills are blocked.

Yeet Dyson
Wolves kill Scotty
Yeet Falcon
Wolves kill Rondo
Yeet Gavial
Wolves kill Ilario

That’s final 4 of Jack/Ender/Lime/Tony (maybe not Tony).

Slightly worse odds but still pretty good.

And if Dyson flips wolf, this all gets thrown out but atp it’s like 8 vs 1 so it’s fine.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:51 pm**

TSP Anything else to add?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:53 pm**

I have class in eight minutes but I think we can eschew chopping Dyson

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:02 pm**

Tsp/falcon team

Is my guess

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:03 pm**

Just waiting on ilario to diglett up into the thread

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:09 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Ill keep pondering this, but If dyson is telling truth, we’ve solved the game, because there’s no point of a wolf dyson listing those names, because it only buys him so much time before we realize he’s lying.

Confirmed Town:
-Dyson
-Scotty
-Rondo
-Ilario

Presumed town:
-jack
-Ender

POE:
-Gavial
-falcon
-TSP
It's D3 and we have 4 confirmed town? What's the criteria?
Dyson claims to have an ability that lets him target 3 players on N2 and the host confirms if all or town or nah. He targeted the other members of the “confirmed town” list and got back all were town.

Dyson isn’t confirmed town. The other 3 are confirmed town upon a Dyson townflip.

Then we flip Dyson. Otherwise it's never going to be resolved

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:18 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:38 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:33 pm Also I keep forgetting Lime. And so does Jack lmao.
I blame Scotty

Well to be fair, I’ve never seen a lime coke so

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:19 pm**

I see the discourse for flipping dyson and it makes sense mechanically but I’m gonna hold out for now

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:25 pm**

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
@Jackofhearts2005

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:29 pm**

I have reason to believe Falcon is town.
Vote Dyson for Alignment Confirmation or TSP.
I’m still quite busy so on times where I can’t respond that much you can expect an image as your answer (and I might just randomly post a picture here and there.)

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:30 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:02 pm Tsp/falcon team

Is my guess

No Falcon is Town.
I think it’s Jack and TSP.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:31 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:29 pm I have reason to believe Falcon is town.
Vote Dyson for Alignment Confirmation or TSP.
I’m still quite busy so on times where I can’t respond that much you can expect an image as your answer (and I might just randomly post a picture here and there.)

please share reason

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:31 pm**

I have none

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:39 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:30 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:02 pm Tsp/falcon team

Is my guess
No Falcon is Town.
I think it’s Jack and TSP.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:47 pm Let’s try this backwards in an exercise:

<<Give some reasons why dyson and falcon are town>>

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:40 pm**

Ok ^that’s not quite as relevant as I wanted it to be anymore

I’m assuming you’re claiming some sort of info on falcon, Gav?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:41 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:30 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:02 pm Tsp/falcon team

Is my guess
No Falcon is Town.
I think it’s Jack and TSP.

So jack was the killer then in your mind?

Hot take

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:49 pm**

[VOTE: Dyson] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:56 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:41 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:30 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:02 pm Tsp/falcon team

Is my guess
No Falcon is Town.
I think it’s Jack and TSP.
So jack was the killer then in your mind?

Hot take

I believe as such yes.
I can see it either way because Jack would be the correct kill to make for scum but at the same time Jack would most likely be the one killing because he’s least likely to be targeted by RB. (Although if that’s the case he didn’t consider the fact Jailkeeper can exist lol.)

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:00 pm**

After Dyson flips. If he flips Green then chances are Scum will kill 1 of the 3 players confirmed, probably Scotty.

This leaves us with the remaining:
Myself (Which I am town)
Falcon (Town)
Ender (High probability at being Town)
Lime Coke (CW to Sean)

TSP (Went from Town to Scum for me very quickly when Nanook flipped Green)
Jack (I think he voted Sean for credit and since Sean was dead either way)

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:02 pm**

Btw both scum had an impact during Day 1.
The only player in the game who didn’t impact at all was Falcon.
Falcon is Town.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:02 pm**

The reason I say that is game state.
I read via game state.
That’s how I do most of my reads

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:19 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:00 pm After Dyson flips. If he flips Green then chances are Scum will kill 1 of the 3 players confirmed, probably Scotty.

This leaves us with the remaining:
Myself (Which I am town)
Falcon (Town)
Ender (High probability at being Town)
Lime Coke (CW to Sean)

TSP (Went from Town to Scum for me very quickly when Nanook flipped Green)
Jack (I think he voted Sean for credit and since Sean was dead either way)

cw?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:21 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:00 pm After Dyson flips. If he flips Green then chances are Scum will kill 1 of the 3 players confirmed, probably Scotty.

This leaves us with the remaining:
Myself (Which I am town)
Falcon (Town)
Ender (High probability at being Town)
Lime Coke (CW to Sean)

TSP (Went from Town to Scum for me very quickly when Nanook flipped Green)
Jack (I think he voted Sean for credit and since Sean was dead either way)

so you're saying Day 1 (which was between Lime and Sean as a vote) Sean picked to keep LC alive? Is it possible he has a power that was less important than seans? You are saying we had w/w trains day 1 and Jack chose the lesser of two evils?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:22 pm**

if we flip lime and lime is scum he was voting Dyson day 2 that tells you if Dyson is town and then we go for jack?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:23 pm**

The other option is Gav is lying

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:31 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:35 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:35 pm If we flip a wolf then aggressive jail tonight Rondo
100% who would be top choice other than you?

Depends on who we flip tbh.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:31 pm**

Ask me that one when there's a settled wagon and it's near EOD

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:33 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:00 pm After Dyson flips. If he flips Green then chances are Scum will kill 1 of the 3 players confirmed, probably Scotty.

This leaves us with the remaining:
Myself (Which I am town)
Falcon (Town)
Ender (High probability at being Town)
Lime Coke (CW to Sean)

TSP (Went from Town to Scum for me very quickly when Nanook flipped Green)
Jack (I think he voted Sean for credit and since Sean was dead either way)

Sean wasn’t dead anyway but sure.

Talk to me about Falcon.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:35 pm**

Jack is probably only scum in LC!Scum world tbh.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:35 pm**

Because then that vote was a "Save the better PR" considering I don't remember anything super impactful that Seanzie had.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:35 pm**

It was LC/Seanzie D1 right?

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:36 pm**

I mean tbf if it was me/LC/Seanzie, I totally do a buzzer shot to yeet my weaker teammate for cred.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:37 pm**

Yep. That's why I'm saying that is the world where Jack is scum.

Posted: **Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:40 pm**

Sudden maybe it's Gav feeling shave erupted within me.

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